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Title: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: KenyanPlato on April 21, 2019, 12:04:49 PM
https://www.theelephant.info/reflections/2019/02/08/we-are-doctors-we-dont-die-a-damascus-moment-on-a-kenyan-highway/
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Nefertiti on April 21, 2019, 12:21:18 PM
The primary source of "growth" under Jubilee has been debt & rebasing - nothing for small man. The only growth is in graft sector - it has experienced a boom - exploded at 1000%.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: KenyanPlato on April 21, 2019, 04:28:22 PM
The primary source of "growth" under Jubilee has been debt & rebasing - nothing for small man. The only growth is in graft sector - it has experienced a boom - exploded at 1000%.

That the realit. You hear laila talking about infrastructure you would think siaya residents would eat it. I had a schoolmate die because the hospital sold the antivenom they got from knh to treat him. A single dose was going for 60k in Black market.

Kenya is hell for the poor
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 21, 2019, 04:33:28 PM
One of the conditions for these researchers should be to take care of everybody that uses the facility.  Including those not participating in the research.

Ultimately the local community(not the national government) should be empowered to set their development priorities.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 21, 2019, 05:31:40 PM
Biwot exhibits the hustler spirit.
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However, unbeknownst to us, there had been another development with our belongings at the accident scene. While were worrying about Christina and my swollen head, our friend Eric had made his way back to the car to salvage our belongings. He had encountered two men rummaging through the wreckage of our car. These men had taken our phones and Eric’s efforts at negotiation failed to get back the phones. One of them – he said his name was Biwot – actually sympathetically assured Eric that at a fee, he could come back for the phones the following day after we had received care. There we were, unable to send money to the medical officer in Molo because a stranger called Biwot had stolen our phones. We thought quickly and borrowed the officer’s phone, called a colleague who sent 6,000 shillings to the doctor’s phone number. An ambulance was promptly dispatched. We immobilised Christine and set off for Nakuru.

Read more at: https://www.theelephant.info/reflections/2019/02/08/we-are-doctors-we-dont-die-a-damascus-moment-on-a-kenyan-highway/
The Elephant - Speaking truth to power.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: KenyanPlato on April 21, 2019, 07:00:50 PM
Most Kenyans are like biwott. Very rotten mathafakas. Kenyans will Rob you Rob even on your death bed. My elderly parents had to fled these hounds in the village after they kept on robbing them every now and then. The last day in Kenya for me will be the day I burry my parents ..after that I will never step in that hell hole ever again
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Nefertiti on April 21, 2019, 07:24:22 PM
The hustler believes it's a Great Benevolence - a miracle - he has bestowed by laying steel for an arm and a leg. So he skims "10%" as self reward. He does not steal because he earned the money. :D

Biwot exhibits the hustler spirit.
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However, unbeknownst to us, there had been another development with our belongings at the accident scene. While were worrying about Christina and my swollen head, our friend Eric had made his way back to the car to salvage our belongings. He had encountered two men rummaging through the wreckage of our car. These men had taken our phones and Eric’s efforts at negotiation failed to get back the phones. One of them – he said his name was Biwot – actually sympathetically assured Eric that at a fee, he could come back for the phones the following day after we had received care. There we were, unable to send money to the medical officer in Molo because a stranger called Biwot had stolen our phones. We thought quickly and borrowed the officer’s phone, called a colleague who sent 6,000 shillings to the doctor’s phone number. An ambulance was promptly dispatched. We immobilised Christine and set off for Nakuru.

Read more at: https://www.theelephant.info/reflections/2019/02/08/we-are-doctors-we-dont-die-a-damascus-moment-on-a-kenyan-highway/
The Elephant - Speaking truth to power.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Georgesoros on April 22, 2019, 05:51:10 AM
Poverty is bad but when you lose morals, then the whole community of people are like tortoise shells without a tortoise inside. No soul. Brought to you by corruption.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: RV Pundit on April 22, 2019, 07:01:39 AM
That just manifestation of widespread poverty...you'll get shot and robbed in poor neighborhood in the USA like you'd in Kiambu.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: KenyanPlato on April 22, 2019, 07:20:02 AM
That just manifestation of widespread poverty...you'll get shot and robbed in poor neighborhood in the USA like you'd in Kiambu.
What is poverty rate in Kenya? 75%
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 22, 2019, 03:40:09 PM
The hustler believes it's a Great Benevolence - a miracle - he has bestowed by laying steel for an arm and a leg. So he skims "10%" as self reward. He does not steal because he earned the money. :D

Biwot exhibits the hustler spirit.
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However, unbeknownst to us, there had been another development with our belongings at the accident scene. While were worrying about Christina and my swollen head, our friend Eric had made his way back to the car to salvage our belongings. He had encountered two men rummaging through the wreckage of our car. These men had taken our phones and Eric’s efforts at negotiation failed to get back the phones. One of them – he said his name was Biwot – actually sympathetically assured Eric that at a fee, he could come back for the phones the following day after we had received care. There we were, unable to send money to the medical officer in Molo because a stranger called Biwot had stolen our phones. We thought quickly and borrowed the officer’s phone, called a colleague who sent 6,000 shillings to the doctor’s phone number. An ambulance was promptly dispatched. We immobilised Christine and set off for Nakuru.

Read more at: https://www.theelephant.info/reflections/2019/02/08/we-are-doctors-we-dont-die-a-damascus-moment-on-a-kenyan-highway/ (https://www.theelephant.info/reflections/2019/02/08/we-are-doctors-we-dont-die-a-damascus-moment-on-a-kenyan-highway/)
The Elephant - Speaking truth to power.

He certainly believes he is providing a service.  They have an enterprising mind.  But a twisted sense of what legitimate opportunity is.  I noticed a temporary minor economy sprung up out nothing from that accident.  In the US, it would be the tow-truck company, the ambulance service, Alcoholic Anonymous if alcohol is involved, court fees etc.  In Kenya it's Biwot and your phones, the policeman and kitu kidogo etc.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Nefertiti on April 22, 2019, 04:54:25 PM
The hustler believes it's a Great Benevolence - a miracle - he has bestowed by laying steel for an arm and a leg. So he skims "10%" as self reward. He does not steal because he earned the money. :D

Biwot exhibits the hustler spirit.
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However, unbeknownst to us, there had been another development with our belongings at the accident scene. While were worrying about Christina and my swollen head, our friend Eric had made his way back to the car to salvage our belongings. He had encountered two men rummaging through the wreckage of our car. These men had taken our phones and Eric’s efforts at negotiation failed to get back the phones. One of them – he said his name was Biwot – actually sympathetically assured Eric that at a fee, he could come back for the phones the following day after we had received care. There we were, unable to send money to the medical officer in Molo because a stranger called Biwot had stolen our phones. We thought quickly and borrowed the officer’s phone, called a colleague who sent 6,000 shillings to the doctor’s phone number. An ambulance was promptly dispatched. We immobilised Christine and set off for Nakuru.

Read more at: https://www.theelephant.info/reflections/2019/02/08/we-are-doctors-we-dont-die-a-damascus-moment-on-a-kenyan-highway/ (https://www.theelephant.info/reflections/2019/02/08/we-are-doctors-we-dont-die-a-damascus-moment-on-a-kenyan-highway/)
The Elephant - Speaking truth to power.

He certainly believes he is providing a service.  They have an enterprising mind.  But a twisted sense of what legitimate opportunity is.  I noticed a temporary minor economy sprung up out nothing from that accident.  In the US, it would be the tow-truck company, the ambulance service, Alcoholic Anonymous if alcohol is involved, court fees etc.  In Kenya it's Biwot and your phones, the policeman and kitu kidogo etc.

Yup. it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with poverty but the culture of corruption and moral decay. Everyone for his selfish self man-eat-man society. It all brings us back to the heart of the matter - the dark bottomless abyss of Lady Graft and her gruesome effects on society. It's practical suicide to elect a brazen Dr Moneybag as CEO - we might as well elect the Al Shaabab or the Akashas. Once you entrench the already insidious graft you seal your fate for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Nefertiti on April 22, 2019, 05:49:31 PM
If you still struggle to recognize the true colors of Lady Graft - the dangers of domesticating the Beast - simply see decent  people here argue that it's Ok for "hardworking" leaders to skim the cream. As reward for performing imaginary miracles and mortgaging the country. Basically it's been normalized as part of the culture. Just tithe the 10% - generosity - to the Church on Sunday. Don't even need to confess - the God of Sleaze accepts hard cold mbeca. :)
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 22, 2019, 07:12:27 PM
The hustler believes it's a Great Benevolence - a miracle - he has bestowed by laying steel for an arm and a leg. So he skims "10%" as self reward. He does not steal because he earned the money. :D

Biwot exhibits the hustler spirit.
Quote
However, unbeknownst to us, there had been another development with our belongings at the accident scene. While were worrying about Christina and my swollen head, our friend Eric had made his way back to the car to salvage our belongings. He had encountered two men rummaging through the wreckage of our car. These men had taken our phones and Eric’s efforts at negotiation failed to get back the phones. One of them – he said his name was Biwot – actually sympathetically assured Eric that at a fee, he could come back for the phones the following day after we had received care. There we were, unable to send money to the medical officer in Molo because a stranger called Biwot had stolen our phones. We thought quickly and borrowed the officer’s phone, called a colleague who sent 6,000 shillings to the doctor’s phone number. An ambulance was promptly dispatched. We immobilised Christine and set off for Nakuru.

Read more at: https://www.theelephant.info/reflections/2019/02/08/we-are-doctors-we-dont-die-a-damascus-moment-on-a-kenyan-highway/ (https://www.theelephant.info/reflections/2019/02/08/we-are-doctors-we-dont-die-a-damascus-moment-on-a-kenyan-highway/)
The Elephant - Speaking truth to power.

He certainly believes he is providing a service.  They have an enterprising mind.  But a twisted sense of what legitimate opportunity is.  I noticed a temporary minor economy sprung up out nothing from that accident.  In the US, it would be the tow-truck company, the ambulance service, Alcoholic Anonymous if alcohol is involved, court fees etc.  In Kenya it's Biwot and your phones, the policeman and kitu kidogo etc.

Yup. it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with poverty but the culture of corruption and moral decay. Everyone for his selfish self man-eat-man society. It all brings us back to the heart of the matter - the dark bottomless abyss of Lady Graft and her gruesome effects on society. It's practical suicide to elect a brazen Dr Moneybag as CEO - we might as well elect the Al Shaabab or the Akashas. Once you entrench the already insidious graft you seal your fate for the foreseeable future.

It's not caused by poverty at all.  I generally think poverty is a neutral variable.

I am also loath to call out Biwot on values that exist in a universe he has no clue about.  When Biwot wakes up, the environs of Molo is his universe.  He is just doing what an average Moloan would do in his shoes.  A jury of his peers will find him blameless.

The people I could call out are the higher ups.  The elite looters, who obviously know better.  The ones who have created this universe.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Nefertiti on April 22, 2019, 10:55:20 PM
It's not caused by poverty at all.  I generally think poverty is a neutral variable.

I am also loath to call out Biwot on values that exist in a universe he has no clue about.  When Biwot wakes up, the environs of Molo is his universe.  He is just doing what an average Moloan would do in his shoes.  A jury of his peers will find him blameless.

The people I could call out are the higher ups.  The elite looters, who obviously know better.  The ones who have created this universe.

This is the center of gravity here at the nipate blogosphere - and elsewhere - towards 2022. Mada ya msingi. No amount of hardwork or efficiency real or imagined can make up for the evil role-modeling of William Ruto and his ilk. We hear Raila got 2B handcheck - we do not see his person or cronies carting crisp banknotes about in churches and goat auctions. What Ruto's behavior does to the youth is worse than any incompetence, poor governance, PEV or even terrorism. You can see this massive glaring TUMOR - in our national head - in the present crop of Judases in Parliament, greedy cops, MCAs, bordermen and Biwots. Kenya will pay dearly for generations to come.

Why do you think, bitmask, some don't see this crystal clear projection? - worse than sitting ducks - the monkey and the grenade - is it blinkers?
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: RV Pundit on April 22, 2019, 11:47:49 PM
Ruto is the new Boogeyman for all the intellectually lazy bozoos.Ruto the Bible thumping Christian evangelist who doesn't touch alcohol or cigarettes.Just like moi.Societal problems are deeper than transient and contemporary politician.In 90s Biwott Nick was apparently the evil personified.You cannot expect a society like ours to be anything but what it is..your own kin will con if not kill you for money.Its all down poverty.Lack of opportunities to lead a decent life.Even a thief want his kids to be decent...if it was possible.That is why I am not all Gaga about gov or public sector corruption.....what do you expect if someone see an opportunity as once in lifetime...only a few with extreme integrity and fidelity can stay the course in a county like kenya
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Nefertiti on April 23, 2019, 06:14:27 AM
Pundit you got that - Ruto is the new Evil incanrnate & Enemy of the State. 80yo Babu is a real schemer. Welcome to the trojan. :)
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Dear Mami on April 23, 2019, 11:04:53 AM
Ruto is the new Boogeyman for all the intellectually lazy bozoos.Ruto the Bible thumping Christian evangelist who doesn't touch alcohol or cigarettes.Just like moi.

Pundit, you can't have your cake and eat it. Per your own testimony, this "Bible-thumper" is a 200 billion shilling thief and what's more has no qualms about robbing a small guy (and alleged "friend" or "mtu wa nyumbani") an entire 300 million of his 500 million loan that he then has to pay back and goes bankrupt doing it. That's how I know he's no Kagame. He is a nyang'au, Bible or no Bible. If Mama Ngina sings at Mass all day or thumps her Bible usiku, she's still a nyang'au, just like your Ruto.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: RV Pundit on April 23, 2019, 12:14:38 PM
I am sure he rationalize it. I have heard many stories of Ruto slicing folks. He is a smart man. Obviously my man wouldn't have go the KCB bank loan if Ruto had not called the MD - and asked if the money he kept in bank fault were his or gov money. So he took his cut. And he also assisted the guy to get fertlizer transport contracts....so if he was smart he would have made it.

This is Ruto modus operandi - that he probably learnt from Mois, Kuleis, Biwotts and etc - who always took their cut -  you'd be a fool to work for gov that can stab you for free - and die poor. Ruto never works for free - if he take his cut or ask shares  - the only time he works for "free" is when he donates - or well buy political support.

Obviously Kagame is also evil - he steal Congo minerals and reward himself and close allies. He also has ensured his tutsi immigrants ran the gov. But he gets the job done.Ruto also gets the job done. I am not worried about stuff I cannot proof - like congo minerals or Ruto many heists -  but on the JOB HE DOES.

In short I am pro-Ruto because he is effective - he knows how to run gov - which is a lethargic organization with so many dead woods - it impossible to get anything done.


Pundit, you can't have your cake and eat it. Per your own testimony, this "Bible-thumper" is a 200 billion shilling thief and what's more has no qualms about robbing a small guy (and alleged "friend" or "mtu wa nyumbani") an entire 300 million of his 500 million loan that he then has to pay back and goes bankrupt doing it. That's how I know he's no Kagame. He is a nyang'au, Bible or no Bible. If Mama Ngina sings at Mass all day or thumps her Bible usiku, she's still a nyang'au, just like your Ruto.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Dear Mami on April 24, 2019, 08:45:08 AM
Obviously my man wouldn't have go the KCB bank loan if Ruto had not called the MD - and asked if the money he kept in bank fault were his or gov money. So he took his cut. And he also assisted the guy to get fertlizer transport contracts....so if he was smart he would have made it.

Ruto never works for free - if he take his cut or ask shares  - the only time he works for "free" is when he donates - or well buy political support.

But 300 million out of 500 is a bit more than taking a cut, wouldn't you say? Is that something you, Pundit, could do if you were a billionaire politician helping someone much smaller than you get a loan? 50 mill or even 80-100 maybe. 300 is heartlessness. It's even worse when you remember it's a loan and not loot. It's like Mama Ngina taking away a meagre 3 acres from Kenyatta's own brother.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: patel on April 24, 2019, 07:17:48 PM
For once even if we have to agree kenya economy is booming. Which sectors are booming in this economy? People are bailing out in search of green pasture outside the country.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Nefertiti on April 24, 2019, 07:34:10 PM
For once even if we have to agree kenya economy is booming. Which sectors are booming in this economy? People are bailing out in search of green pasture outside the country.

Don't be so rude to interrupt the party. We all agree Dr Moneybag has a cool efficiency about his manner - which can be exciting to the impressionable - we understand. If only he did not have a Dark Passenger - akin to a serial killer or psycotic duplex persona - he would be it. But nope he is not. He would frisk Kenya same as his poor "fren" at KCB loan.
Title: Re: The reality of life in kwiinya wachana na dreams za 100 billion dollars economy
Post by: Georgesoros on April 24, 2019, 08:24:55 PM
If you still struggle to recognize the true colors of Lady Graft - the dangers of domesticating the Beast - simply see decent  people here argue that it's Ok for "hardworking" leaders to skim the cream. As reward for performing imaginary miracles and mortgaging the country. Basically it's been normalized as part of the culture. Just tithe the 10% - generosity - to the Church on Sunday. Don't even need to confess - the God of Sleaze accepts hard cold mbeca. :)
You go girl!!! :)