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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on March 25, 2019, 10:35:26 AM
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Strong parties survive for a long time. KANU continues to survive till now. ODM has survived since 2005 despite Raila mismanaging it, turning it now into Luo party and still has some national support
Coalition do not survive. If Jubilee was a coalition like it was pre-2016 - Raila and his groupies would have found it easy to break it apart. NASA died. CORD died. PNU died. NARC died. These is because they are loosely coupled so people can easily move out. They are come-we-stay. Parties you have to wait till next election - there is strong coupling - and you cannot switch mid-stream parties. You have to go through divorce proceedings - when that is eventually granted - you go into dividing shared property.
Jubilee is a very strong party with nearly 200mps (including alied) from every corner of the country. You cannot split such a party easily.If Uhuru was to go rogue - he'd struggle to slice off even GEMA from Jubilee.
The fear that maybe one man like Raphael Tuju will pull a David Maanzo on Ruto by holding to the certificate and seal of Jubilee is unfounded. Parties now are under stronger institutions supervised by Registart of Political parties. Jubilee NEC is the decision making organ - not Tuju or Murathe. NEC can fire Tuju any day.
The laughable attempt to split jubilee into tanga tanga and kieleweke hasn't gone far. It would have been easy when Jubilee was 10 parties to splinter it. Nobody in Jubilee want the music (the eating) to stop....and Uhuru is in this fight alone.
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You are going ahead of yourself.
You do not have enough to make the conclusions you now do.
Parties formed for the sake of gaining power can only be classified after they have left power and survived. You are able to speak of KANU - even though it is more of a briefcase party than a real powerhouse.
You wrongly smear ODM - but then when were you ever objective in respect of people you despise? I hardly can think of any party that can today be compared to ODM. The truth is it is all about Raila. We can measure its effectiveness and longevity most accurately once Raila is out of it or out of politics.
Ruto and Uhuru are no party people. I need not substantiate that do I?
As for Ruto forming Jubilee... you got jokes. Jubilee was formed by County Commissioners around Kenya.
Strong parties survive for a long time. KANU continues to survive till now. ODM has survived since 2005 despite Raila mismanaging it, turning it now into Luo party and still has some national support
Coalition do not survive. If Jubilee was a coalition like it was pre-2016 - Raila and his groupies would have found it easy to break it apart. NASA died. CORD died. PNU died. NARC died. These is because they are loosely coupled so people can easily move out. They are come-we-stay. Parties you have to wait till next election - there is strong coupling - and you cannot switch mid-stream parties. You have to go through divorce proceedings - when that is eventually granted - you go into dividing shared property.
Jubilee is a very strong party with nearly 200mps (including alied) from every corner of the country. You cannot split such a party easily.If Uhuru was to go rogue - he'd struggle to slice off even GEMA from Jubilee.
The fear that maybe one man like Raphael Tuju will pull a David Maanzo on Ruto by holding to the certificate and seal of Jubilee is unfounded. Parties now are under stronger institutions supervised by Registart of Political parties. Jubilee NEC is the decision making organ - not Tuju or Murathe. NEC can fire Tuju any day.
The laughable attempt to split jubilee into tanga tanga and kieleweke hasn't gone far. It would have been easy when Jubilee was 10 parties to splinter it. Nobody in Jubilee want the music (the eating) to stop....and Uhuru is in this fight alone.
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Pundit is now at the bargaining stage of the death of his political hero Lootall. Lol..he is begging the Nandi gods spare lootall life. Lol never seen a smart man reduced to a propagandist like this in front of my own eyes.
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Pundit is now at the bargaining stage of the death of his political hero Lootall. Lol..he is begging the Nandi gods spare lootall life. Lol never seen a smart man reduced to a propagandist like this in front of my own eyes.
You own mother chased Maina Kamanda and his few mps from churches in kiambu and instead prayed for Ruto.Before that Zainab of ODM had attempt to hit a Ruto at maendeleo ya wanna wake meeting only for the women to burst into Ruto songs.Ruto my Fren is incredibly popular all over the country except in Siaya.Infotrak are telling us Kenya s don't like Raila crazy ideas and agree with Dr Ruto that all we need is an office of Opposition...not expanded executive...worse a parliamentary one.
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There you go with usual lies. Dr Ruto is the brains behind Jubilee. He formed it specifically to tie down GEMA. It now hard for likes of Gitua-Kibicho to split Jubilee into URP/TNA and name all the 10 parties.
Jubilee is not going anyway until end of this parliament because nobody want it dissolved.
You are going ahead of yourself.
You do not have enough to make the conclusions you now do.
Parties formed for the sake of gaining power can only be classified after they have left power and survived. You are able to speak of KANU - even though it is more of a briefcase party than a real powerhouse.
You wrongly smear ODM - but then when were you ever objective in respect of people you despise? I hardly can think of any party that can today be compared to ODM. The truth is it is all about Raila. We can measure its effectiveness and longevity most accurately once Raila is out of it or out of politics.
Ruto and Uhuru are no party people. I need not substantiate that do I?
As for Ruto forming Jubilee... you got jokes. Jubilee was formed by County Commissioners around Kenya.
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“Exactly who is the brainchild of the new Jubilee baby? Deputy President William Ruto is thought to be the force behind the formation of the Jubilee party. He is said to have engineered the formation of the party in preparation of the 2022 general election, but not to those in the know. In fact some say Ruto maybe the biggest loser in the new set up, not everyone thinks so as Ken Mijungu found out” (Kenya NTV, 2016)
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Ruto 2 year party is dead - and you are castigating ODM? Uhuru/Raila boy is the certificate issuer - and they also control registrar - it is the reality of Kenya. Ruto registered United Green Movement :) or something like that - last year. The ground is shifting slowly but surely in GEMA as the mwizi narrative goes in to overdrive. By 2021 MPs will line up with the popular side obviously - if Uhuru will be definitely going home it will be up in the air - if Uhuru will be getting say PM expect GEMA and the MPigs to lineup behind their man. Referendum is still a big wild card that can make or break Ruto. Uhuru will use referendum to finish off Ruto in GEMA like the former did to Raila with Kalenjin in 2010. Regardless of the outcome Raila remains the big winner here - it is hard for Pundit to admit but Ruto has really lost since Handshake. Being hammered on corruption - he has no control of the referendum - and will not be able to influence new IEBC and new SCOTUS. He has no control of parliament either. Very bad position to be while running for PORK.
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If Ruto controlled parliament he would block Magoha - Uhuru just replaced his corrupt boy Echesa with Raila man.
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I guess we live in different universe. Ruto controls jubilee party - so much Uhuru is afraid to call a PG meeting to endorse handshake - which remain upopular within Jubilee circle.
GEMA Mps and people are against handshake - and want Uhuru to cancel it. Uhuru has no option except to drop Raila soon. That is why Nancy - Op groupies are now desperately trying to get Kamanda to face the LION (Ruto) with bare hands.
Certificate issuing ended long time ago. Jubilee NEC - which Ruto controls - will decide on all party matters. NEC fired Veronica who was party Sec Gen and hired Tuju. Murathe is home and Tuju if he says one more bad word - is gone too.
There is no way you can convince Jubilee members to leave the bird on hand - and go for two in the forest - and worse with Raila.
The handshake and referendum are already proving to be unpopular on their own. You just need to give Raila enough rope to hang himself - and he is doing a splendid job now.
The question is when will Uhuru pull the plug on his men at Harambee house? I think pretty soon. Unpopular handshake at least within Jubilee is just a hard sell.
Bottomline: Jubilee is a proven winning system that nobody want demolished for some unknown Raila concoction. If Uhuru is desperate - Jubilee will find him a JOB
See how Kamanda was humiliated by Njamba's pastor - they had to pray for Ruto :) - Sending Kamanda to face the Lion - Raila is afraid of - is not fair :)
https://www.facebook.com/dennisitumbi/videos/10219857874225672/
Ruto 2 year party is dead - and you are castigating ODM? Uhuru/Raila boy is the certificate issuer - and they also control registrar - it is the reality of Kenya. Ruto registered United Green Movement :) or something like that - last year. The ground is shifting slowly but surely in GEMA as the mwizi narrative goes in to overdrive. By 2021 MPs will line up with the popular side obviously - if Uhuru will be definitely going home it will be up in the air - if Uhuru will be getting say PM expect GEMA and the MPigs to lineup behind their man. Referendum is still a big wild card that can make or break Ruto. Uhuru will use referendum to finish off Ruto in GEMA like the former did to Raila with Kalenjin in 2010 regardless of the outcome. Raila remain the big winner here - it is hard for Pundit to admit but Ruto has really lost since Handshake. Being hammered on corruption - he has no control of the referendum - and will not be able to influence new IEBC and new SCOTUS. He has no control of parliament either. Very bad position to be while running for PORK.
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Why - Ruto long decided to allow Uhuru to ran the show in his last term - that is called respect. Final respect. Let him nail his legacy. Uhuru is suppose to reciprocate by clearing the way for the messiah!
If Ruto controlled parliament he would block Magoha - Uhuru just replaced his corrupt boy Echesa with Raila man.
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And how is Uhuru reciprocating this respect? When you get off the echo chamber for air it won't be pretty. At least try to adjust pole pole - sudden withdrawal symptoms can be kali sana.
Why - Ruto long decided to allow Uhuru to ran the show in his last term - that is called respect. Final respect. Let him nail his legacy. Uhuru is suppose to reciprocate by clearing the way for the messiah!
If Ruto controlled parliament he would block Magoha - Uhuru just replaced his corrupt boy Echesa with Raila man.
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He will reciprocate - he deleted his facebook and twitter with 3m - follower - largest in Africa - and possibly 3rd biggest worldwide after Obama and Trump. You know there are 'wakoras' who were feeding him misinformation at OP and Raila - but once Uhuru come to realisation that their idea is hollow and unworkable - and he is - doing that - he will be back. Uhuru is well known gentlemen. Give him time. Ruto need to give him space and respect to nail his legacy. Hio tu...but if he start thinking post-2022 - hapo amekanya wire ya stima.
And how is Uhuru reciprocating this respect? When you get off the echo chamber for air it won't be pretty. At least try to adjust pole pole - sudden withdrawal symptoms can be kali sana.
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Glad you are adjusting pole pole from Ruto is the annointed heir. When your boy starts preaching his new outfit - United Green Movement - let's see then how many GEMA follow him. For now they all struggle to pretend the problem is Raila even as Uhuru rain blows on Ruto - DCI, Matiang'i, name it. How long will the charade last?
There you go with usual lies. Dr Ruto is the brains behind Jubilee. He formed it specifically to tie down GEMA. It now hard for likes of Gitua-Kibicho to split Jubilee into URP/TNA and name all the 10 parties.
Jubilee is not going anyway until end of this parliament because nobody want it dissolved.
You are going ahead of yourself.
You do not have enough to make the conclusions you now do.
Parties formed for the sake of gaining power can only be classified after they have left power and survived. You are able to speak of KANU - even though it is more of a briefcase party than a real powerhouse.
You wrongly smear ODM - but then when were you ever objective in respect of people you despise? I hardly can think of any party that can today be compared to ODM. The truth is it is all about Raila. We can measure its effectiveness and longevity most accurately once Raila is out of it or out of politics.
Ruto and Uhuru are no party people. I need not substantiate that do I?
As for Ruto forming Jubilee... you got jokes. Jubilee was formed by County Commissioners around Kenya.
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Woi i pity you. So you count suspending twitter as a serious event - a signal he will endorse your man - while he has made actual moves to undermine him.
1) Uhuru especially through Murathe has made it clear he will not honor MOU
2) Anti-corruption witch-hunt - and sending Kamanda crew to badmouth him as mwizi in GEMA
3) Taking away DPORK functions thro Matiang'i committee
These are clear signals of Uhuru stand you are welcome to ignore or blame on the shadowy Nancy Gitau - I think she's more powerful than Biwott :)
He will reciprocate - he deleted his facebook and twitter with 3m - follower - largest in Africa - and possibly 3rd biggest worldwide after Obama and Trump. You know there are 'wakoras' who were feeding him misinformation at OP and Raila - but once Uhuru come to realisation that their idea is hollow and unworkable - and he is - doing that - he will be back. Uhuru is well known gentlemen. Give him time. Ruto need to give him space and respect to nail his legacy. Hio tu...but if he start thinking post-2022 - hapo amekanya wire ya stima.
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He will reciprocate - he deleted his facebook and twitter with 3m - follower - largest in Africa - and possibly 3rd biggest worldwide after Obama and Trump.
Pundit, yawa, wacha bhangi. The biggest facebook following world wide numbers in paltry 7 digit figures, eti 3 million? They are in the 100 million ballpark range and are dominated by celebrities, not political figures. Mwache kuacha siasa ingine mpaka kwa vision, jameni. Christiano Ronaldo, The Kardashians, Beyonce, etc...those are your facebook/social media kings and queens.
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Eti Green Movement ? I thought Prof Maathai is dead. Jubilee party - of more than 250 mps and senators - nearly 30 governors and thousands of MCAS - is not going to be easy to dismantle.
Let me help you. In any gov - there is always power struggle - people get hired and fired everyday - to survive you've to be adept. You make one wrong move like Murathe - and you're out.
It cutthroat competition for power and money. Uhuru is at mercy of such competing forces. Each side feed Uhuru with their fitinas and ultimately somebody has to lose.
Ruto has PHD in this - having mastered the game under Moi.
Ruto is facing an resurgence of attack from the same Nancy Gitau-Op - he faced during his first term - and eventually had most of them fired - Nancy and Iringo. Now this new attack from Gitau, Kibicho and his br's Muhoho - Gigiri grp. Their main arsenal is Raila & of course ropping in Uhuru trusted bro - plus interior ministry. Those are pretty powerful tools to have...and Ruto has to contend with that..and I think he has done incredibly well to survive their attacks and turn it around. It helps that Ruto runs a parrellel NIS and the other group are political neophytes. They already failed with Sonko who is playing jujistu moves never seen in Africa :) - yet to appoint a Deputy Governor. You got to respect Sonko.
Anyway this war will continue and eventually whoever loses - will get buried. I know Nancy-Gitau- have already lost. Jubilee doesn't want their nonsense. GEMA leaders and people don't understand their game.
Yes Ruto may have been damaged by his graft fightback like during the 'local tribunal' but sometimes you don't have any option. Ruto has very good intelligence networks. He knew they were laying a trap for him - just like Raila had laid the waki tribunal trap - and there only way to survive there is to fightback and PR baadaye. You can always turn the story around like ICC thing.
In short Ruto will emerge the winner because he is political adept, is 10 steps ahead of them with his paralleled intelligence and experience - and has prepared "all" his life for this.
Glad you are adjusting pole pole from Ruto is the annointed heir. When your boy starts preaching his new outfit - United Green Movement - let's see then how many GEMA follow him. For now they all struggle to pretend the problem is Raila even as Uhuru rain blows on Ruto - DCI, Matiang'i, name it. How long will the charade last?
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Of course we were talking politics. Why would you bring Kim Kardashiani in serious issues. Uhuru has largest social media following in Africa. For a politician.
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Pundit, yawa, wacha bhangi. The biggest facebook following world wide numbers in paltry 7 digit figures, eti 3 million? They are in the 100 million ballpark range and are dominated by celebrities, not political figures. Mwache kuacha siasa ingine mpaka kwa vision, jameni. Christiano Ronaldo, The Kardashians, Beyonce, etc...those are your facebook/social media kings and queens.
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Ruto has Phd in politics.He knows how to make things happen. The first win post-handshake was making sure Raila never get into gov or any nusu mkate. Ruto made sure Raila prize would be roving AU ambassador role - and his people were never smelling cabinet. The best they've got so far is chairmen of film commission and such mundane bodies.
I can go on and on - but this games of wits - and in Dr Ruto you're dealing with the VERY BEST.
Woi i pity you. So you count suspending twitter as a serious event - a signal he will endorse your man - while he has made actual moves to undermine him.
1) Uhuru especially through Murathe has made it clear he will not honor MOU
2) Anti-corruption witch-hunt - and sending Kamanda crew to badmouth him as mwizi in GEMA
3) Taking away DPORK functions thro Matiang'i committee
These are clear signals of Uhuru stand you are welcome to ignore or blame on the shadowy Nancy Gitau - I think she's more powerful than Biwott :)
He will reciprocate - he deleted his facebook and twitter with 3m - follower - largest in Africa - and possibly 3rd biggest worldwide after Obama and Trump. You know there are 'wakoras' who were feeding him misinformation at OP and Raila - but once Uhuru come to realisation that their idea is hollow and unworkable - and he is - doing that - he will be back. Uhuru is well known gentlemen. Give him time. Ruto need to give him space and respect to nail his legacy. Hio tu...but if he start thinking post-2022 - hapo amekanya wire ya stima.
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So how did Magoha get in or he's also a Ruto man? :D :D What happens when DCI goes to Treasury? Is that's part of Ruto strategy? Githu Muigai fired the first salvo.
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Magoha got in thanks to Matiangi obviously. Matiangi is basically doing Ruto job now - as supervsor of ministries. Ruto lost - and whatever he said about presidency is BS.
Ruto job is to make sure Matiangi fails and fails spetacularly. As always Uhuru will ran to Ruto when shits hit the fan - just like when Murathe & Tuju - made huge mess- and Ruto went to clean it. Uhuru knows Ruto is mr fix it. But he also knows he is obsessed about 2022.
Matiangi will fail. You cannot supervise your colleagues. They will make you fail. Matiangi obviously need his lackeys like Magoha...to get stuff done..and unless he get Uhuru to replace key ministers with his men...then he will be sabotaged...and beside without the political adeptness....a civil servant can do such a job effectively.
So how did Magoha get in or he's also a Ruto man? :D :D What happens when DCI goes to Treasury? Is that's part of Ruto strategy? Githu Muigai fired the first salvo.
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If Ruto got Nancy fired in first term how is she able to call the shots now? Getting Uhuru to recant the MOU and reform cabinet reporting structure - basically recant 50-50 too :) - sound like a victory to me. Ruto lost 50-50 to NARAesque quarter mkeka :D - of course Uhuru can't just fire his guys but has to manage it thro anti-graft witchhunt. As Rotich, Chelugui, etc get shown the door like Echesa - all Ruto boys one by one - it will become clearer about Uhuru stand. Poor Kiunjuri will be sacrificial lamb to maintain the charade it's a genuine fight. I believe Ruto is losing - no, he did not chose to "respect" Uhuru by giving up co-presidency after working superhard to ensure Uhuru win - that's a cheap one.
Sonko capitulated to Uhuru - by stopping his pro-Ruto rants. Have you heard him mention "GEMA are betraying Ruto" since? He of course kept deputy vacant so GEMA+ODM MCAs don't fire him. He is smart to know Ruto has no power to protect him.
Eti Green Movement ? I thought Prof Maathai is dead. Jubilee party - of more than 250 mps and senators - nearly 30 governors and thousands of MCAS - is not going to be easy to dismantle.
Let me help you. In any gov - there is always power struggle - people get hired and fired everyday - to survive you've to be adept. You make one wrong move like Murathe - and you're out.
It cutthroat competition for power and money. Uhuru is at mercy of such competing forces. Each side feed Uhuru with their fitinas and ultimately somebody has to lose.
Ruto has PHD in this - having mastered the game under Moi.
Ruto is facing an resurgence of attack from the same Nancy Gitau-Op - he faced during his first term - and eventually had most of them fired - Nancy and Iringo. Now this new attack from Gitau, Kibicho and his br's Muhoho - Gigiri grp. Their main arsenal is Raila & of course ropping in Uhuru trusted bro - plus interior ministry. Those are pretty powerful tools to have...and Ruto has to contend with that..and I think he has done incredibly well to survive their attacks and turn it around. It helps that Ruto runs a parrellel NIS and the other group are political neophytes. They already failed with Sonko who is playing jujistu moves never seen in Africa :) - yet to appoint a Deputy Governor. You got to respect Sonko.
Anyway this war will continue and eventually whoever loses - will get buried. I know Nancy-Gitau- have already lost. Jubilee doesn't want their nonsense. GEMA leaders and people don't understand their game.
Yes Ruto may have been damaged by his graft fightback like during the 'local tribunal' but sometimes you don't have any option. Ruto has very good intelligence networks. He knew they were laying a trap for him - just like Raila had laid the waki tribunal trap - and there only way to survive there is to fightback and PR baadaye. You can always turn the story around like ICC thing.
In short Ruto will emerge the winner because he is political adept, is 10 steps ahead of them with his paralleled intelligence and experience - and has prepared "all" his life for this.
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Nancy-Muhoho delivered Raila on the silver platter and got back into the sanctum of power. She made herself useful as Raila-Uhuru go between. Obviously Raila is trojan horse who brought himself in after running out of aces. Ruto didn't see that coming - he probably had called off his people watching nancy after she gave in - and he has had to fight it back from a point of weakness. I don't think Ruto really care about power or money in this period - he knows he is just few steps from PORK - and is super-focussed on that. He will give Uhuru free pass as long as he doesn't move 2022 pieces. Ruto knows once he is PORK - he will pretty much have everything.
Sonko faced a lot of the same - Uhuru and his people - trying to wrestle control from him - and he went rogue. He fired their DG alley, send their statehouse advisor packing and has refused to appoint a replacement. Obviously he might have tried to get Ruto help - only to be told - Ruto was also dealing with same forces - and he figured out rightly - he had to fight it alone. Sonko is in unique position - Raila has lots of support in Nairobi - Uhuru has lots of support in Nairobi - Ruto is really jogoo ya shamba - except for our small Kalenjin enclave in Highrise Kibera :) - so I wont blame him.
At end of the day - this is game of wits - btw uber-talented Ruto - and Gigiri group. You know how this will end. Kibicho get fired or transferred - Nancy back to retirement -Muhoho back to running the family business and leaving politics to politicians - Raila back to his ODM - and UhuRuto in 2022 romping home.
If Ruto got Nancy fired in first term how is she able to call the shots now? Getting Uhuru to recant the MOU and reform cabinet reporting structure - basically recant 50-50 too :) - sound like a victory to me. Ruto lost 50-50 to NARAesque quarter mkeka :D - of course Uhuru can't just fire his guys but has to manage it thro anti-graft witchhunt. As Rotich, Chelugui, etc get shown the door like Echesa - all Ruto boys one by one - it will become clearer about Uhuru stand. Poor Kiunjuri will be sacrificial lamb to maintain the charade it's a genuine fight. I believe Ruto is losing - no, he did not chose to "respect" Uhuru by giving up co-presidency after working superhard to ensure Uhuru win - that's a cheap one.
Sonko capitulated to Uhuru - by stopping his pro-Ruto rants. Have you heard him mention "GEMA are betraying Ruto" since? He of course kept deputy vacant so GEMA+ODM MCAs don't fire him. He is smart to know Ruto has no power to protect him.
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Nancy-Muhoho delivered Raila on the silver platter and gotback into the sanctum of power. She made herself useful.
i.e. she outfoxed Ruto - while you hold she's a political neophyte. She's Uhuru's errand girl and not on her own. No there is no neutral Uhuru surrounded by drama - that's a smart-ish Ruto narrative - Uhuru is calling all the shots.
Obviously Raila is trojan horse who brought himself in after running out of aces. Ruto didn't see that coming and he has had to fight it back from a point of weakness.
Took you a year to admit this... you really overestimate Ruto and dismiss Raila. The trojan has been very successful - Raila v Ruto ground evened in the blink of an eye. Uhuru-Raila made a pact as far as we can see and hear from Orengos - in another year you can save face and own up again.
I don't think Ruto really care about power or money in this period - he knows he is just few steps from PORK - and is super-focussed on that. He will give Uhuru free pass as long as he doesn't move 2022 pieces. Ruto knows once he is PORK - he will pretty much have everything.
Wrong. Power concede nothing - Ruto just has no choice but to accept that Uhuru has thrown 2022 & 50-50 into the bin with Raila's help. Ruto overplayed his hand during the VAT bill and his weakness in Parliament showed. He is hesitant to go nuclear on graft for the same reason - he will lose badly - Uhuru has all the power and with NASA core has parliament too.
Sonko faced a lot of the same - Uhuru and his people - trying to wrestle control from him - and he went rogue. He fired their DPORK and has refused to appoint a replacement. Obviously he might have tried to get Ruto help - only to be told - Ruto was also dealing with same forces - and he figured out rightly - he had to fight it alone. Sonko is in unique position - Raila has lots of support in Nairobi - Uhuru has lots of support in Nairobi - Ruto is really jogoo ya shamba - except for our small Kalenjin enclave in Highrise Kibera :) - so I wont blame him.
I agree Sonko cleverly got away with firing Igathe with impunity.
At end of the day - this is game of wits - btw uber-talented Ruto - and Gigiri group. You know how this will end. Kibicho get fired or transferred - Nancy back to retirement -Muhoho back to running the family business and leaving politics to politicians - Raila back to his ODM - and UhuRuto in 2022 romping home.
This is our main point of departure - Uhuru's intentions - or who between Ruto and Raila is being played. Uhuru is going for Exec PM with Raila as ceremonial 7yr PORK and portraits and bank notes. You can always mock my record. :) Of course I don't care about Uhuru I just think parliamentary and federal is better for Kenya. Scorning corrupt Ruto is just a bonus.
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Explain to me how Raila's Ceremonial PORK and Uhuru's Mtu wa Mkono executive PM in parliament will work. How exactly will that work. You turn from President and Commander in Chief - into Duale? Executive PM under MPs beck and call - doing the donkey work - for the president - who can probably fire the entire government.
Sounds like a joke to me. Uhuru just appointed Matiangi to such position. He has no time or energy to supervise cabinet and respond to abuses from MPs. That is clearly beneath him as former PORK.
Ruto offer to Uhuru - is for him to continue being influential Jubilee Party Leader - who can even sit on cabinet - and for him to pick the DPORK - from his GEMA people - and retire to enjoy life. If he badly wants that Executive PM - I am sure Jubilee will find him something to do - that is not very exacting :)
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Explain to me how Raila's Ceremonial PORK and Uhuru's Mtu wa Mkono executive PM in parliament will work. How exactly will that work. You turn from President and Commander in Chief - into Duale? Executive PM under MPs beck and call - doing the donkey work - for the president - who can probably fire the entire government.
Sounds like a joke to me. Uhuru just appointed Matiangi to such position. He has no time or energy to supervise cabinet and respond to abuses from MPs. That is clearly beneath him as former PORK.
Ruto offer to Uhuru - is for him to continue being influential Jubilee Party Leader - who can even sit on cabinet - and for him to pick the DPORK - from his GEMA people - and retire to enjoy life. If he badly wants that Executive PM - I am sure Jubilee will find him something to do - that is not very exacting :)
Kikuyus are looking for a nonkikuyu pork and dpork. Ruto is now what they are looking for. Ruto should work hard to win NASA constituents because he won't get kikuyus
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Kikuyus right now hate uhuru to death. He is in the same category as moi. So ruto clinging on Uhuru will never help his case.
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Look at Ethiopia - you are always touting Zenawi here. Do you know their president's name? Federal + parliamentary.
In any event I don't see referendum succeeding - as you said MPs and MCAs won't agree to be sliced. It is a useful tool to consolidate anti-Ruto forces - Raila will have the last laugh - he will promise to fulfill the reforms :) - fewer MPs, more devolution, gender parity, etc - once Ruto scuttles them. There are no shadowy OP operatives coercing Uhuru to fight Ruto - he has a brain and real interests your boy has threatened. As I noted before there is nothing in the past to indicate that Ruto is trustworthy. He has never wielded power.
Explain to me how Raila's Ceremonial PORK and Uhuru's Mtu wa Mkono executive PM in parliament will work. How exactly will that work. You turn from President and Commander in Chief - into Duale? Executive PM under MPs beck and call - doing the donkey work - for the president - who can probably fire the entire government.
Sounds like a joke to me. Uhuru just appointed Matiangi to such position. He has no time or energy to supervise cabinet and respond to abuses from MPs. That is clearly beneath him as former PORK.
Ruto offer to Uhuru - is for him to continue being influential Jubilee Party Leader - who can even sit on cabinet - and for him to pick the DPORK - from his GEMA people - and retire to enjoy life. If he badly wants that Executive PM - I am sure Jubilee will find him something to do - that is not very exacting :)
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You like jumping all over like a yello that can't be pinned.
It's not rational that Uhuru will accept to undo all his work in jubilee, become Raila's Matiangi just so he can extend power. Uhuru has always been very reluctant - he doesn't need the money and power - this has always been something to keep him busy, sane and avoid drug overdose if you ask me. Leadership is a toy mama ngina bought him.
The reality is whether Uhuru likes it or not - HE IS NOT GOING TO BECOME PORK - again. It over. He has had two terms limits.
He can stick to Jubilee while he still loved and referred - agree with Ruto on way forward - organize GEMA to pick DPORK and secure their interest -50-50 arrangment - and retain Party Leader - with Ruto as deputy- or go kiss the frog (Raila) where he is loathed.
All it boils down really is who will he trust more. With Ruto - he can be assured of being Influential Party Leader.
With Raila - who knows - last time Ruto made him PM - he immediately conspired to send Ruto to ICC.
As for the referendum - all that is tied - If Uhuru doesn't like the embarrasing PMship under Raila - it will be stillborn. It will be another OKOA :).
If Uhuru wants the referendum - then obviously he will have declared war - and we shall see Ruto response. It won't be good for Uhuru ailing lungs - trust me.
Ruto will probably sponsor a counter-referendum - and find ideas that will be popular - nobody wants counties touched (MCAs & small tribes will say BIG NO to anyone messing with it) - they simply want money - raised from 15% to say 45%.Transition from presidential "one man suffrage" to parliamentary systems is also near impossible - kenyans will refuse to hand over their power however illusionary to MPs.
PMship and more deputies is quite popular - expanding executive - can be argued - because kenyans wants everyone to feel party of gov.
Look at Ethiopia - you are always touting Zenawi here. Do you know their president's name? Federal + parliamentary.
In any event I don't see referendum succeeding - as you said MPs and MCAs won't agree to be sliced. It is a useful tool to consolidate anti-Ruto forces - Raila will have the last laugh - he will promise to fulfill the reforms :) - fewer MPs, more devolution, gender parity, etc - once Ruto scuttles them. There are no shadowy OP operatives coercing Uhuru to fight Ruto - he has a brain and real interests your boy has threatened. As I noted before there is nothing in the past to indicate that Ruto is trustworthy. He has never wielded power.
Explain to me how Raila's Ceremonial PORK and Uhuru's Mtu wa Mkono executive PM in parliament will work. How exactly will that work. You turn from President and Commander in Chief - into Duale? Executive PM under MPs beck and call - doing the donkey work - for the president - who can probably fire the entire government.
Sounds like a joke to me. Uhuru just appointed Matiangi to such position. He has no time or energy to supervise cabinet and respond to abuses from MPs. That is clearly beneath him as former PORK.
Ruto offer to Uhuru - is for him to continue being influential Jubilee Party Leader - who can even sit on cabinet - and for him to pick the DPORK - from his GEMA people - and retire to enjoy life. If he badly wants that Executive PM - I am sure Jubilee will find him something to do - that is not very exacting :)