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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: KenyanPlato on March 03, 2019, 03:07:04 AM
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Matiangi
Has given county commissioners orders not to let this thief launch any projects in central. He was the other week kicked out nyandarua like a dog after state House through matiangi ordered the county commissioner to block his visit.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Hon_Kiptoo/status/1092332477832708096
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Let us hope Raila, the greedy coward will build enough bridges to Nyandarua to fix the water project.
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Let us hope Raila, the greedy coward will build enough bridges to Nyandarua to fix the water project.
All raila needs is 20 percent of central or 2 strong kikuyus candidates to emerge. Now ruto central plan has been effectively hacked
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You are all over the place with multiple threads on Ruto. Nothing new here.
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You are all over the place with multiple threads on Ruto. Nothing new here.
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Hey hey what sup?
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Nothing just taking a break. Kenyans are just picking who among the wolf, hyena or grey hound is good to devour their goat. What are you cheering?
You are all over the place with multiple threads on Ruto. Nothing new here.
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Hey hey what sup?
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Nothing just taking a break. Kenyans are just picking who among the wolf, hyena or grey hound is good to devour their goat. What are you cheering?
You are all over the place with multiple threads on Ruto. Nothing new here.
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Hey hey what sup?
I am on ouru corner as he butt skins ruto. Rails is like odongo omamo of yore ..he is a maid doing cleaning for ouru. Ouru is turning into a mini despot
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Plato - can you predict what will happen next?
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Robina
Kikuyu poor will go with ruto and middle class with kabogo. In this case ruto will win. That is my very flawed prediction without enough information. However if the economy does generate enough opportunities ..mudavadi or raila may get support of kikuyus. Raila is still hated by kikuyus. They see him as a clueless opportunist
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Robina
Kikuyu poor will go with ruto and middle class with kabogo. In this case ruto will win. That is my very flawed prediction without enough information. However if the economy does generate enough opportunities ..mudavadi or raila may get support of kikuyus. Raila is still hated by kikuyus. They see him as a clueless opportunist
What if Ruto is rigged out by Uhuru?
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Robina
Kikuyu poor will go with ruto and middle class with kabogo. In this case ruto will win. That is my very flawed prediction without enough information. However if the economy does generate enough opportunities ..mudavadi or raila may get support of kikuyus. Raila is still hated by kikuyus. They see him as a clueless opportunist
What if Ruto is rigged out by Uhuru?
It may happen. Kalenjins may declare war in RV but they may end up with huge losses this time from Uhuru allied police and military. It is going to be interesting. As for now i contend ruto is president elect
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Robina
Kikuyu poor will go with ruto and middle class with kabogo. In this case ruto will win. That is my very flawed prediction without enough information. However if the economy does generate enough opportunities ..mudavadi or raila may get support of kikuyus. Raila is still hated by kikuyus. They see him as a clueless opportunist
What if Ruto is rigged out by Uhuru?
It may happen. Kalenjins may declare war in RV but they may end up with huge losses this time from Uhuru allied police and military. It is going to be interesting. As for now i contend ruto is president elect
Uhuru looks determined to lock him out. I am beginning to see wisdom in Kichwa's prediction that Ruto may end up in exile.
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Robina
Yap Uhuru is determined. Ruto has been reckless. Very reckless. He has caused a lot of kikuyus to think he is unhinged. He has been stealing in all departments. Uhuuru may now have believed mois that this man is not to be trusted. The problem is that uhuru has fucked kikuyus macroeconomics so bad. So my prediction is that kikuyus will rebel and vote for looter
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Jubilee is done. Both uhuru and ruto are irredeemably corrupt. Kenya has to chart a new economic model by first trying to unwind the crazy debt already incurred by this regime. This is what is going to sink jubilee https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001315972/uhurunomics-jitters-persist-over-jubilee-policies-ailing-economy . Its the economy stupid and no one will belief uhuru or ruto they're both intertwined. Raila can easily win 50% of kiuk vote but most likely there'll be huge voter apathy in central. The biggest mistake Raila can do is to propose a bloated executive that Ruto will most likely oppose . Lean legislature and executive has very huge support .
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Jubilee is done. Both uhuru and ruto are irredeemably corrupt. Kenya has to chart a new economic model by first trying to unwind the crazy debt already incurred by this regime. This is what is going to sink jubilee https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001315972/uhurunomics-jitters-persist-over-jubilee-policies-ailing-economy . Its the economy stupid and no one will belief uhuru or ruto they're both intertwined. Raila can easily win 50% of kiuk vote but most likely there'll be huge voter apathy in central. The biggest mistake Raila can do is to propose a bloated executive that Ruto will most likely oppose . Lean legislature and executive has very huge support .
Raila is not smart. He will go for counties consolidation and pm position
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Robina
Yap Uhuru is determined. Ruto has been reckless. Very reckless. He has caused a lot of kikuyus to think he is unhinged. He has been stealing in all departments. Uhuuru may now have believed mois that this man is not to be trusted. The problem is that uhuru has fucked kikuyus macroeconomics so bad. So my prediction is that kikuyus will rebel and vote for looter
The "war on corruption" has two angles: one is to disrupt Ruto's finances.The other is to alienate Ruto as his base gets hostile to kikuyu and other migrants. It is very hard to escape this trap. He's fighting with the hands tied in the back.????
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Jubilee is done. Both uhuru and ruto are irredeemably corrupt. Kenya has to chart a new economic model by first trying to unwind the crazy debt already incurred by this regime. This is what is going to sink jubilee https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001315972/uhurunomics-jitters-persist-over-jubilee-policies-ailing-economy . Its the economy stupid and no one will belief uhuru or ruto they're both intertwined. Raila can easily win 50% of kiuk vote but most likely there'll be huge voter apathy in central. The biggest mistake Raila can do is to propose a bloated executive that Ruto will most likely oppose . Lean legislature and executive has very huge support .
Raila is not smart. He will go for counties consolidation and pm position
Raila is not stupid. Haji-Oloo Handshake team will reduce MPs to 150 and guarantee gender quota to attract women. Kenyans won't mind an inclusive executive. Without even church in his corner what I see happening is Ruto going yes not to lose GEMA... openly going against Uhuru is a strategic misfire Ruto won't make. New structure goes unanimous.
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I highly doubt Kenyans want expanded executive. Ruto will easily campaign against this , bloated executive without benefits to citizenry isn't what kenyans are looking forward to. If its a parliamentary let it be a parliamentary system not some hybrid. Kenyans voting for party instead of individuals its a bridge too far. Raila should be advocating for more federalism, that'll settle the country. Just my humble opinion.
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I highly doubt Kenyans want expanded executive. Ruto will easily campaign against this , bloated executive without benefits to citizenry isn't what kenyans are looking forward to. If its a parliamentary let it be a parliamentary system not some hybrid. Kenyans voting for party instead of individuals its a bridge too far. Raila should be advocating for more federalism, that'll settle the country. Just my humble opinion.
Raila should go home. He is too old to be of any use.
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Robina is back???
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Robina is back???
O the mess you've made
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I highly doubt Kenyans want expanded executive. Ruto will easily campaign against this , bloated executive without benefits to citizenry isn't what kenyans are looking forward to. If its a parliamentary let it be a parliamentary system not some hybrid. Kenyans voting for party instead of individuals its a bridge too far. Raila should be advocating for more federalism, that'll settle the country. Just my humble opinion.
Ruto could easily consolidate RV-Gema against parliamentary but I think he's too greedy for PORK to risk it. Intrigues ahead.
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I don't think GEMA will accept parliamentary system anytime soon - and if they did - their political supremacy will end there - they have about the same Mps as Kalenjin -
I don't think Uhuru will fall for PM position in 2022 - it's just stupid desperate idea.
What is going to happen to me is simple. GEMA will realize they really have no option except back Ruto, squeeze 50-50 deal and pick DPORK. That is their best and only option.
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I don't think GEMA will accept parliamentary system anytime soon - and if they did - their political supremacy will end there - they have about the same Mps as Kalenjin -
I don't think Uhuru will fall for PM position in 2022 - it's just stupid desperate idea.
What is going to happen to me is simple. GEMA will realize they really have no option except back Ruto, squeeze 50-50 deal and pick DPORK. That is their best and only option.
If it came down to parliamentary system GEMA would insist on party list proportional representation or county. This would mean abolishing the current constituency, an uphill battle. Other than politicians, who cares about 50/50 deal? I mean what have we gotten now that we have presidency (supposedly) and 50% of government. The key thing GEMA should be advocating for is federalism. Start by reviewing what're national taxes and local taxes. And what percentage of taxation counties should keep.
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Now you're talking. Parliamentary system will greatly advantage smaller tribes - and would breed so much instability considering kenya really no majority tribes - all tribes are now max 15% - I expect Kikuyu figures to drop from 17.5% in 2009 to around 15% when Census are released the last Q of this year - Luhyas and Kalenjin will probably be around 15% - then others around 10% - so you can see Kenya has very many small tribes.
Federalism aka Majimbo is what we need - and I am glad central has finally come around it. Federalism would mean counties are allowed to collect and keep most of taxes...federal gov in Nairobi will say takes 10-20% of VAT/PAYE - with majority staying those counties. Federal Gov will collect national taxes including customs.
This will unlock counties to try develop their counties so they can get taxes. Counties will be free to borrow, to invite investors, dish out land.
But are central really ready for MAJIMBO. Me think they are not ready. Maybe another 10yrs under Ruto.
What has central gotten from PORK - in 10yrs - well Kikuyu continue to dominate pubic services - they dominate policy making - therefore it goes without sayings they have it good.
If it came down to parliamentary system GEMA would insist on party list proportional representation or county. This would mean abolishing the current constituency, an uphill battle. Other than politicians, who cares about 50/50 deal? I mean what have we gotten now that we have presidency (supposedly) and 50% of government. The key thing GEMA should be advocating for is federalism. Start by reviewing what're national taxes and local taxes. And what percentage of taxation counties should keep.
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Now you're talking. Parliamentary system will greatly advantage smaller tribes - and would breed so much instability considering kenya really no majority tribes - all tribes are now max 15% - I expect Kikuyu figures to drop from 17.5% in 2009 to around 15% when Census are released the last Q of this year - Luhyas and Kalenjin will probably be around 15% - then others around 10% - so you can see Kenya has very many small tribes.
Federalism aka Majimbo is what we need - and I am glad central has finally come around it. Federalism would mean counties are allowed to collect and keep most of taxes...federal gov in Nairobi will say takes 10-20% of VAT/PAYE - with majority staying those counties. Federal Gov will collect national taxes including customs.
This will unlock counties to try develop their counties so they can get taxes. Counties will be free to borrow, to invite investors, dish out land.
But are central really ready for MAJIMBO. Me think they are not ready. Maybe another 10yrs under Ruto.
What has central gotten from PORK - in 10yrs - well Kikuyu continue to dominate pubic services - they dominate policy making - therefore it goes without sayings they have it good.
Actually GEMA has been for federalism for some time now. I remember a group which included the likes of nderitu mureithi, businessmen and professionals presenting a paper to abdikadir constitution review group. The group proposed federalism with even backing of david ndii who made a representation on things gema counties should focus on. However gema would be against majimbo of "this is our land go back to central". Meaning Gema in kajiado, eldoret, parts of nakuru aren't chased away. Just like Gema can't evict other tribes that reside in gema counties like kiambu.
Having a drunk incompetent pork, corrupt public service servant, dumb policies; hasnt benefited central. Central doesn't need special treatment, what's good for kenya is good for central.
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I am glad the nation is starting to embrace federalism. It doesn't mean anyone will be kicked out. Federal gov will still be there with strong federal laws. Constitutional rights including right to property will never be limited. Obviously we must protect minorities in every county.
Now you're talking. Parliamentary system will greatly advantage smaller tribes - and would breed so much instability considering kenya really no majority tribes - all tribes are now max 15% - I expect Kikuyu figures to drop from 17.5% in 2009 to around 15% when Census are released the last Q of this year - Luhyas and Kalenjin will probably be around 15% - then others around 10% - so you can see Kenya has very many small tribes.
Federalism aka Majimbo is what we need - and I am glad central has finally come around it. Federalism would mean counties are allowed to collect and keep most of taxes...federal gov in Nairobi will say takes 10-20% of VAT/PAYE - with majority staying those counties. Federal Gov will collect national taxes including customs.
This will unlock counties to try develop their counties so they can get taxes. Counties will be free to borrow, to invite investors, dish out land.
But are central really ready for MAJIMBO. Me think they are not ready. Maybe another 10yrs under Ruto.
What has central gotten from PORK - in 10yrs - well Kikuyu continue to dominate pubic services - they dominate policy making - therefore it goes without sayings they have it good.
Actually GEMA has been for federalism for some time now. I remember a group which included the likes of nderitu mureithi, businessmen and professionals presenting a paper to abdikadir constitution review group. The group proposed federalism with even backing of david ndii who made a representation on things gema counties should focus on. However gema would be against majimbo of "this is our land go back to central". Meaning Gema in kajiado, eldoret, parts of nakuru aren't chased away. Just like Gema can't evict other tribes that reside in gema counties like kiambu.
Having a drunk incompetent pork, corrupt public service servant, dumb policies; hasnt benefited central. Central doesn't need special treatment, what's good for kenya is good for central.
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hk and Pundit, that's a good debate but as usual politics will intervene. Likely federalism or enhanced devolution will be mixed with parliamentary, reduced MPs, gender parity, etc. Should federalism be based on the present counties or bigger regions?
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hk and Pundit, that's a good debate but as usual politics will intervene. Likely federalism or enhanced devolution will be mixed with parliamentary, reduced MPs, gender parity, etc. Should federalism be based on the present counties or bigger regions?
Robina,
I believe most people would opt for presidential system with federal units. The idea of going back to a system similar to how mayors were elected by Councillors, that'll be a hard sell. What we should be avoiding is centralized system, so I'd opt for federal units based on current counties. However each county can have a ballot initiative to merge with other similar county. E.g. Nyeri,kirinyaga,nyandarua and Laikipia can merge. The point is let people focus on charting their own destiny. This will stabilize the country and spur development. A prosperous federal unit would be mean a prosperous kenya and that federal unit would attract more residents.
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(https://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/5018608/medRes/2276240/-/au3kkkz/-/TOON%253A+11-03-19.jpg)
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Robina is back???
O the mess you've made
Robina,
what mess is that?
You disappeared into ispace and then magically reappear like Houdini
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Robina is back???
O the mess you've made
Robina,
what mess is that?
You disappeared into ispace and then magically reappear like Houdini
the national mess of kenya's power triad
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(https://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/5018608/medRes/2276240/-/au3kkkz/-/TOON%253A+11-03-19.jpg)
Very cold out there, Hustler will find out, he will.