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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Kadudu on September 26, 2018, 01:00:35 PM
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Ngai. :o :o :o
Public debt Sh7.17 trillion ending June 2022 and stood at Sh5.04 trillion in June 2018, up from Sh4.41 trillion in June 2017, Sh3.62 trillion in June 2016, Sh2.83 trillion in June 2015, Sh2.37 trillion in June 2014 and Sh1.89 trillion in June 2013.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/Public-debt-forecast-to-hit-Sh7trn-mark-at-Uhuru-exit/1950106-4777896-101hk5bz/index.html
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But he will also leave us with more than 100B dollar economy - and solid infrastructure like railways that should last us 100yrs.
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People cannot eat railway lines even if they chew for 100 yrs.
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I hope that includes the borrowing that will extend SGR 3rd phase to KSM. It would not make sense for it to end in Naivasha.
Ngai. :o :o :o
Public debt Sh7.17 trillion ending June 2022 and stood at Sh5.04 trillion in June 2018, up from Sh4.41 trillion in June 2017, Sh3.62 trillion in June 2016, Sh2.83 trillion in June 2015, Sh2.37 trillion in June 2014 and Sh1.89 trillion in June 2013.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/Public-debt-forecast-to-hit-Sh7trn-mark-at-Uhuru-exit/1950106-4777896-101hk5bz/index.html
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What a mess! :o
What needs to happen is
1) In the referendum we (people actually concerned for the country and NOT politicians) must force the reconstitution of the devolved units into larger and more economically viable counties.
2) Anti-corruption war must reach fever pitch, to force the proper running of these viable counties.
3) Counties must force registration of all businesses and income streams and taxation MUST become a MUST. No more 30% only paying tax.
4) All counties MUST provide proper social services and social safety nets, including housing the homeless, free (and proper) healthcare and properly run education institutions. NO MORE letting teachers bully the country, kila mtu to be employed by the counties unless they work in a suitably national sector.
Iyo tu.
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You are forgetting, more than 85% of the govt budget is still in the hands of the National govt. Why not start there instead of going for the less than 15% of the budget?
What a mess! :o
What needs to happen is
1) In the referendum we (people actually concerned for the country and NOT politicians) must force the reconstitution of the devolved units into larger and more economically viable counties.
2) Anti-corruption war must reach fever pitch, to force the proper running of these viable counties.
3) Counties must force registration of all businesses and income streams and taxation MUST become a MUST. No more 30% only paying tax.
4) All counties MUST provide proper social services and social safety nets, including housing the homeless, free (and proper) healthcare and properly run education institutions. NO MORE letting teachers bully the country, kila mtu to be employed by the counties unless they work in a suitably national sector.
Iyo tu.
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You are forgetting, more than 85% of the govt budget is still in the hands of the National govt. Why not start there instead of going for the less than 15% of the budget?
What a mess! :o
What needs to happen is
1) In the referendum we (people actually concerned for the country and NOT politicians) must force the reconstitution of the devolved units into larger and more economically viable counties.
2) Anti-corruption war must reach fever pitch, to force the proper running of these viable counties.
3) Counties must force registration of all businesses and income streams and taxation MUST become a MUST. No more 30% only paying tax.
4) All counties MUST provide proper social services and social safety nets, including housing the homeless, free (and proper) healthcare and properly run education institutions. NO MORE letting teachers bully the country, kila mtu to be employed by the counties unless they work in a suitably national sector.
Iyo tu.
Yes, of course. Devolved resources must approach 50-50.
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Gov should leak the corruption holes but focus more on growing the economy thro more public investments and also encourage private investments.
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We will default
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With China there is no defaulting. They just take possesion of the projects they have built. A project like SGR will be easy as they are already running it. :D :D
We will default
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If they take it over and run it as a business then maybe we tax them and force them to adhere to the labor laws, equal employment opportunity laws, including the rights of their work force to unionize.
With China there is no defaulting. They just take possesion of the projects they have built. A project like SGR will be easy as they are already running it. :D :D
We will default
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Precisely.
If they take it over and run it as a business then maybe we tax them and force them to adhere to the labor laws, equal employment opportunity laws, including the rights of their work force to unionize.
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How do we do this even now that we own the project we cannot protect the Kenyan workers from discrimination? Has any action been taken against the Chinese since the exposure of the discrimination of the locals at SGR? Nothing despite of the public being assured from the highest offices that the investigations are going on.
If they take it over and run it as a business then maybe we tax them and force them to adhere to the labor laws, equal employment opportunity laws, including the rights of their work force to unionize.
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You are forgetting, more than 85% of the govt budget is still in the hands of the National govt. Why not start there instead of going for the less than 15% of the budget?
What a mess! :o
What needs to happen is
1) In the referendum we (people actually concerned for the country and NOT politicians) must force the reconstitution of the devolved units into larger and more economically viable counties.
2) Anti-corruption war must reach fever pitch, to force the proper running of these viable counties.
3) Counties must force registration of all businesses and income streams and taxation MUST become a MUST. No more 30% only paying tax.
4) All counties MUST provide proper social services and social safety nets, including housing the homeless, free (and proper) healthcare and properly run education institutions. NO MORE letting teachers bully the country, kila mtu to be employed by the counties unless they work in a suitably national sector.
Iyo tu.
Yes, of course. Devolved resources must approach 50-50.
Kadame,
That pertinent point by Kadudu... how do you even begin to think about increasing the 15% when the Obados have helped themselves with a cool 2.5B+, out of the 15%? You want to triple that so the Obados and Kideros siphon 7.5B instead of the 2.5B?? I am almost sure all 47 governors except Gov K. Kibwana put their hand in the till
Look, si iyo tu .... :o
Start by advocating fiscal discipline at the National level so that lessons learned and laws are enforced also at county level.
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Hiyo tu.
Anyone who believes he can stop looting at county level but let the looting at national level remain the same is dreaming. The governors and their aides follow the example set by the president and his aides.
Start by advocating fiscal discipline at the National level so that lessons learned and laws are enforced also at county level.
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Kichwa, you are not serious. Of course it made sense that SGR ends in Naivasha... it ends inside somebody's farm. :-\
Just to remind you that Kisumu si Kenya... remember when JKIA burnt down (and @RV Pundit was trying to compare a 'broke' Europe with a 'thriving' Africa and .... never mind). Planes could have been diverted to Kisumu INTERNATIONAL Airport but they were not. They were diverted to Mombasa and other neighboring countries instead. :o
I hope that includes the borrowing that will extend SGR 3rd phase to KSM. It would not make sense for it to end in Naivasha.
Ngai. :o :o :o
Public debt Sh7.17 trillion ending June 2022 and stood at Sh5.04 trillion in June 2018, up from Sh4.41 trillion in June 2017, Sh3.62 trillion in June 2016, Sh2.83 trillion in June 2015, Sh2.37 trillion in June 2014 and Sh1.89 trillion in June 2013.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/Public-debt-forecast-to-hit-Sh7trn-mark-at-Uhuru-exit/1950106-4777896-101hk5bz/index.html
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Bukusu resident idiot - how many were diverted to Eldoret INTERNATIONAL airport...about 20Km shorter than Kisumu.
Kichwa, you are not serious. Of course it made sense that SGR ends in Naivasha... it ends inside somebody's farm. :-\
Just to remind you that Kisumu si Kenya... remember when JKIA burnt down (and @RV Pundit was trying to compare a 'broke' Europe with a 'thriving' Africa and .... never mind). Planes could have been diverted to Kisumu INTERNATIONAL Airport but they were not. They were diverted to Mombasa and other neighboring countries instead. :o
I hope that includes the borrowing that will extend SGR 3rd phase to KSM. It would not make sense for it to end in Naivasha.
Ngai. :o :o :o
Public debt Sh7.17 trillion ending June 2022 and stood at Sh5.04 trillion in June 2018, up from Sh4.41 trillion in June 2017, Sh3.62 trillion in June 2016, Sh2.83 trillion in June 2015, Sh2.37 trillion in June 2014 and Sh1.89 trillion in June 2013.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/Public-debt-forecast-to-hit-Sh7trn-mark-at-Uhuru-exit/1950106-4777896-101hk5bz/index.html
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Hiyo tu.
Anyone who believes he can stop looting at county level but let the looting at national level remain the same is dreaming. The governors and their aides follow the example set by the president and his aides.
Start by advocating fiscal discipline at the National level so that lessons learned and laws are enforced also at county level.
Swali tu...WHO has even remotely suggested that looting AT ANY LEVEL should be allowed to continue?
Yawa don't annoy me this late. Sio ungwana.
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Kadame,
That pertinent point by Kadudu... how do you even begin to think about increasing the 15% when the Obados have helped themselves with a cool 2.5B+, out of the 15%? You want to triple that so the Obados and Kideros siphon 7.5B instead of the 2.5B?? I am almost sure all 47 governors except Gov K. Kibwana put their hand in the till
Look, si iyo tu .... :o
Start by advocating fiscal discipline at the National level so that lessons learned and laws are enforced also at county level.
Audacity, that's why I said anticorruption fight must reach fever pitch. You and Kadudu seem to be operating from a strange paradigm of either/or. Either you fix the county or the national govt. Makes no sense to me. You can do both at once, yanno! Counties must begin to provide social services to our people, to do that they must be viable and well run. Social services make life easier even when things are hard. Right now in Kenya every small change makes life impossible for ordinary folks. We are just concerned about different aspects of governance right now. No one thinks anyone should be allowed to loot. I resent that suggestion by Kadudu, it's practically an insult.
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Your response is laughable... so Entebbe Airport is "20KM shorter than Kisumu"? Propaganda peddlers like you forget archives are very unforgiving.
In case of doubt there is always Wikipedia to refresh your mind
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nairobi_airport_fire
The Nairobi airport fire occurred when, on 7 August 2013, a fire broke out inside the main terminal building at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport in Nairobi, Kenya, destroying two of the three units contained in the building..... Incoming flights were diverted to Uganda, Tanzania, and other airports in Kenya
And here is the report where clearly Kisumu did not receive any diverted flight.
Kisumu investors cry foul over flights diversion to Entebbe (https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Kisumu-investors-cry-foul-over-flights-diversion-to-Entebbe/539550-1941608-item-1-urhku1/index.html)
Bukusu resident idiot - how many were diverted to Eldoret INTERNATIONAL airport...about 20Km shorter than Kisumu.
Kichwa, you are not serious. Of course it made sense that SGR ends in Naivasha... it ends inside somebody's farm. :-\
Just to remind you that Kisumu si Kenya... remember when JKIA burnt down (and @RV Pundit was trying to compare a 'broke' Europe with a 'thriving' Africa and .... never mind). Planes could have been diverted to Kisumu INTERNATIONAL Airport but they were not. They were diverted to Mombasa and other neighboring countries instead. :o
I hope that includes the borrowing that will extend SGR 3rd phase to KSM. It would not make sense for it to end in Naivasha.
Ngai. :o :o :o
Public debt Sh7.17 trillion ending June 2022 and stood at Sh5.04 trillion in June 2018, up from Sh4.41 trillion in June 2017, Sh3.62 trillion in June 2016, Sh2.83 trillion in June 2015, Sh2.37 trillion in June 2014 and Sh1.89 trillion in June 2013.
https://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/Public-debt-forecast-to-hit-Sh7trn-mark-at-Uhuru-exit/1950106-4777896-101hk5bz/index.html
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Kadame,
That pertinent point by Kadudu... how do you even begin to think about increasing the 15% when the Obados have helped themselves with a cool 2.5B+, out of the 15%? You want to triple that so the Obados and Kideros siphon 7.5B instead of the 2.5B?? I am almost sure all 47 governors except Gov K. Kibwana put their hand in the till
Look, si iyo tu .... :o
Start by advocating fiscal discipline at the National level so that lessons learned and laws are enforced also at county level.
Audacity, that's why I said anti corruption fight must reach fever pitch. You and Kadudu seem to be operating from a strange paradigm of either/or. Either you fix the county or the national govt. Makes no sense to me. You can do both at once, yanno! Counties must begin to provide social services to our people, to do that they must be viable and well run. Social services make life easier even when things are hard. Right now in Kenya every small change makes life impossible for ordinary folks. We are just concerned about different aspects of governance right now. No one thinks anyone should be allowed to loot. I resent that suggestion by Kadudu, it's practically an insult.
Kadame,
After watching NTV 9pm bulletin today, I am quickly convinced that you must be the only Kenyan who thinks this thing is a counties vs National government thing. Kenyans are united like never before. we are not squabbling on semantics. Before I elaborate for avoidance of doubt, I came in like a third party, a neutral party when commenting on what your takes from opposite sides of the river bank were. Kadudu argument is far from taking a position between two evils. He is simply wants you to approach a problem from its logical head. And that is what that NTV report"Angry Kenyans" was about. It was not just KOT but Kenyans being interviewed live live... not hiding their identities... being very critical and making it very clear that the person they blame for the state of the economy is none other than the president, there was no mention of any Governor... it was about leadership at the top gone rogue. This country is not getting the leadership it deserves.
Kadame, some days are bad days... that is kawaida to all of us. Now is a good time to revisit the dictionary definition of a what a leader is, ama?
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Audacity, I think the point is I am not approaching it like a counties vs national govt thing at all, you guys are. Because I didn't mention the national govt anywhere. You guys assumed an entire argument for me that I never made about the national govt and proceeded to refute it, to my amazement. I just expressed what I think we should do in the new constitutional dispensation, that's where my focus is. For the debt, I said 'what a mess' and moved on. :) Hamna chida. And I'm glad people are united, I hope that unity translates to something that actually make itself felt for change. I've discovered that many Africans look up to Kenya as something they are proud of--to my shock! I hope we can actually live up to that good reputation and make necessary changes.:D
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Yes, of course. Devolved resources must approach 50-50.
Kadame, you did not have to be explicit in mentioning Counties and National govt. It was implicit when you typed "50-50". That has not gone well with some us, because we know that since 2013, the counties have not earned any fiscal trust to warrant a scale up. I give an example below. That primarily is because the leader of zamunda who by definition is supposed to provide leadership and a vision has not led by example. Or has he? The example of putting his fingers in the till at the National level :(
Oct 03, 2018 news:
Clerk paid wife Sh26m for supplying nothing (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/10/03/clerk-paid-wife-sh26m-for-supplying-nothing_c1828735)
As to Africans looking up to Kenya such is our level of mediocrity... that we can say in the land of the blind, the one-eyed is King.