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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on June 26, 2018, 06:35:08 PM
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seen it. Reminds me of Gorbachev after the coup. He lost power shortly after that
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He can barely complete his sentences - he aint cut for this - he'll have to call Raila or make peace with Ruto. 4yrs he is talking about will become an uphill tasks - he'd be politicking daily.
seen it. Reminds me of Gorbachev after the coup. He lost power shortly after that
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less than a week on sugar wars and Kenyatta family is already feeling the heat...does sound like ouru is ready for lifestyle audit :D :D :D
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There is a link between this poisonous sugar and drugs from south America
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Ruto should be very wary of a livid mlevi. Common broke livid walevi when drunk are very destructive, only reined on by the hujalipa deni line. Monied livid walevi who have their bootlickers, mothers and godfathers to pick the bills are hurricanes.
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Uhuru Kenyatta has now no way out, he must act. He has 3 options which have themselves consequences
1. He can do nothing
2. He can uphold his deal with Ruto
3. He can cement his deal with Raila and Moi.
Number one and two are virtually twins. Giving Ruto what he wants and allowing him to take it are one and the same. Can be likened to a woman about to raped. She can do nothing and simply go through the motions or she can "cooperate" and request the ravisher to use a condom thus minimizing her post rape problems. Either way the rapist achieves his wishes and desires and the woman remains the loser.
He can consummate his deal with Raila.
In that event it would mean a full fledged war against Ruto. He must destroy Ruto because he (Ruto) clearly would not accept to be in a polygamous marriage with Raila and Moi forming part of the groupie.
Since he has shown remarkable weakness in dealing with Ruto, he would need to deploy someone else to decimate Ruto.
Note that if he fails to weaken Ruto to a pliable level, he would have lost and the 4 years would be a nightmare where Ruto would be the boss.
A word of caution to Ruto is to go slow and allow Uhuru to pretend to be president. Otherwise he will get help and he will cut him to size. Ruto must always remember that Uhuru is still the president and can do a lot of damage. The state responds to him like a dog responds to its master, however drunk he may be
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Ruto should be very wary of a livid mlevi. Common broke livid walevi when drunk are very destructive, only reined on by the hujalipa deni line. Monied livid walevi who have their bootlickers, mothers and godfathers to pick the bills are hurricanes.
As I was writing the same you were doing the same. Ruto may have just pushed the envelop too far. The family will sit and they will decide to lash out. Uhuru will listen to his family and they will seek mercenary help to deal with him. The next few days will be interesting
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Rolling
Muhoho is likely to be a favourite of Ngina (and the oldish Mt Kenya who visit her at night) and Moi given the disappointments with likes of Gideon, so touching him is declaring war.
Ruto loyalty runs skin deep in military, police, civil service and once the procurement racketeering is nipped he will be deserted given his sociapathic gluttony.
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The way Ruto's rubbing his face... you can cut the tension with a knife 8)
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Ruto thought the mlevi will never sober up and smell the dollars.
The way Ruto's rubbing his face... you can cut the tension with a knife 8)
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Uhuru the fool's been abandoned even by Central MPs. The trouble is Uhuru only need one killer punch while Ruto must be on point all times - 4 years is too long.
Ruto thought the mlevi will never sober up and smell the dollars.
The way Ruto's rubbing his face... you can cut the tension with a knife 8)
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A deal is out of the question. Their interests are diametrically opposed. They have to finish each other. Ouru has an upper hand but it maybe harder than he earlier thought. Ruto will have to ditch Jubilee and fight from outside. There is no way Gema will abandon Ouru for Ruto.
He can barely complete his sentences - he aint cut for this - he'll have to call Raila or make peace with Ruto. 4yrs he is talking about will become an uphill tasks - he'd be politicking daily.
seen it. Reminds me of Gorbachev after the coup. He lost power shortly after that
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The voice of mama Ngina:
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/06/26/well-negotiate-with-all-presidential-candidates-in-2022-kikuyu-elders_c1777356
The Kikuyu community has no preferred candidate for the 2022 presidential election, elders have said.
Kikuyu Council of Elders chairman, Nyeri chapter, David Muthoga yesterday said the community will negotiate with all presidential candidates and support whoever will give them a better deal.
He criticised politicians pledging the community’s support for Deputy President William Ruto in 2022.
“We shall not rely on any politician to negotiate on our behalf, because most of them will be after their own personal interests,” Muthoga said.
He said the community has not sent anyone to negotiate with the Deputy President.
Read:Kikuyu elders tell Uhuru, Ruto to soldier on in their presidency bid
Muthoga said the community is not aware of the deal leaders campaigning for the DP struck with him. He spoke in Othaya subcounty, Nyeri county, yesterday during a meeting with Kikuyu elders from the subcounty.
The community, Muthoga said, owes no one and will welcome any candidate seeking to succeed President Uhuru Kenyatta for negotiations and support the one who will offer the Kikuyu better terms.
Also Read:Kikuyu elders hold prayers in Mombasa for Ruto's ICC Case
“We must have a negotiation and an arrangement of what we want in 2022 and enter into an agreement before supporting anyone,” he said.
“We have no issues with anybody. Ruto is a good person and very supportive to our President and we love him. He is one of the candidates we expect to negotiate with during the electioneering period.” Muthoga urged area politicians to stop politicking and focus on development.
Nyeri Town MP Ngunjiri Wambugu has been of the same view, but this is the first time elders from the area have spoken on the issue.
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Uhuru the fool's been abandoned even by Central MPs. The trouble is Uhuru only need one killer punch while Ruto must be on point all times - 4 years is too long.
In swahili we call it Nguvu na mamlaka ya dola. You may call it "The power and authority of State". That includes the NIS, KRA, and all the rest of the Alphabet soup of government. Uhuru controls them and he will for 4 years. Perhaps some can now understand why I expressly stated that the NIS budget had one project: Ruto. Some said it is voodoo...
Note that his mentioning of 4 years is really telling Ruto to mark time and not pretend the presidency is vacant. It is a warning. The type Moi mentioned when he embarked on hunting the "traitor".
Let's see Ruto's next move. If he acts, he will provoke faster action. I see him denying and fudging while his stooges will continue the battle.
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With the unholy trinity of handshakers Babu, joho and ouru watch the drug trafficking flourish
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Good people Robina, Omollo, Gout, Pundit, Kichwa et al..... i didn't bet on this unraveling this quickly. I put a marker on it.
For our good friend it is now open war. I fear for him The DEEP STATE has moved. His hold or access was tenuous at best/skin deep as Gout says; never had any control except the kid in a "peremende" shop excitement that he was occasionally allowed at the pleasure of the real owners of state machinery and (levers of) power.
The sad thing is that Ruto really had a good chance at it but he over-concentrated on stealing. His gluttony has done him in. Now he has no strong leverage and no one of influence in his corner. Forget the so called 50/50 share of critical ministries and departments where he purportedly placed his people. Those fellows have no real power going for them and will look out for their selfish interest at the first sight of trouble. He will have the many hyenas circling around him for the freebies that he will be throwing at them.
Pundit/Robina better now face up to the reality; it is over! No need sugar coating it and living in denial. The night of the long knives is here with us.
Sadder really is that this is does not make it any better for Kenya. We have no force to galvanise the masses and take back our country. We are rudderless......this is when you wish for the good old days of the well meaning and patriotic young turks. Now we seem to have no fight in us, no desire but to just watch from the sidelines. I guess a battle weariness has set in.
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Well I see a mutually assured destruction and winner obviously is Raila.
Good people Robina, Omollo, Gout, Pundit, Kichwa et al..... i didn't bet on this unraveling this quickly. I put a marker on it.
For our good friend it is now open war. I fear for him The DEEP STATE has moved. His hold or access was tenuous at best/skin deep as Gout says; never had any control except the kid in a "peremende" shop excitement that he was occasionally allowed at the pleasure of the real owners of state machinery and (levers of) power.
The sad thing is that Ruto really had a good chance at it but he over-concentrated on stealing. His gluttony has done him in. Now he has no strong leverage and no one of influence in his corner. Forget the so called 50/50 share of critical ministries and departments where he purportedly placed his people. Those fellows have no real power going for them and will look out for their selfish interest at the first sight of trouble. He will have the many hyenas circling around him for the freebies that he will be throwing at them.
Pundit/Robina better now face up to the reality; it is over! No need sugar coating it and living in denial. The night of the long knives is here with us.
Sadder really is that this is does not make it any better for Kenya. We have no force to galvanise the masses and take back our country. We are rudderless......this is when you wish for the good old days of the well meaning and patriotic young turks. Now we seem to have no fight in us, no desire but to just watch from the sidelines. I guess a battle weariness has set in.
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The winner will the the one with deeper pockets
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if UhuRuto fight; the winner is obviously Raila. He comes back from among the dead.
The winner will the the one with deeper pockets
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The winner will the the one with deeper pockets
No one has deeper pockets than the State. And no one has a bigger rungu than the state. Whoever controls the state is the winner in the sovereign banana republic of Kenya.
The only thing bigger than the state is the masses (and other bigger/stronger states like bazungus). But the masses have been effectively divided and conquered. Short of a real war breaking out, there is no way Ruto beats Uhuru.
Just my two cents.
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The first victim of uhuruto gov will be gov. It may not collapse but it will become moribund. constitution give real teeth to parliament. those teeths they have not exercised because Jubilee is the majority by far. If Ruto was to withdraw his many MPs in parliament from supporting gov - it will be chaos - budget will not even be passed - no approval of anything will go through without a huge fight - and ministers will be spending their days in parliament and senate. Raila will come to aid of Uhuru - but he officially has 60mps - with nearly half already on Ruto retainer.Majority of MPS will be on highest bidder basis. There is a real possibility PEV may re-occur sooner than 2022 - leading to crisis akin to 2008. Ruto can't be fired as DPORK. It will be total chaos.
No one has deeper pockets than the State. And no one has a bigger rungu than the state. Whoever controls the state is the winner in the sovereign banana republic of Kenya.
The only thing bigger than the state is the masses (and other bigger/stronger states like bazungus). But the masses have been effectively divided and conquered. Short of a real war breaking out, there is no way Ruto beats Uhuru.
Just my two cents.
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Pundit,
What's the motive behind uhuru and his henchmen? Uhuru and his mother they think own kikuyus or what? What does Raila bring to the table now that ruto doesn't? If its corruption the kenyatta are even worse than ruto cause they truly have captured the state. If the silly handshake was meant to calm political temperature so that somehow economy can thrive, that's not happening.
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The first victim of uhuruto gov will be gov. It may not collapse but it will become moribund. constitution give real teeth to parliament. those teeths they have not exercised because Jubilee is the majority by far. If Ruto was to withdraw his many MPs in parliament from supporting gov - it will be chaos - budget will not even be passed - no approval of anything will go through without a huge fight - and ministers will be spending their days in parliament and senate. Raila will come to aid of Uhuru - but he officially has 60mps - with nearly half already on Ruto retainer.Majority of MPS will be on highest bidder basis. There is a real possibility PEV may re-occur sooner than 2022 - leading to crisis akin to 2008. Ruto can't be fired as DPORK. It will be total chaos.
No one has deeper pockets than the State. And no one has a bigger rungu than the state. Whoever controls the state is the winner in the sovereign banana republic of Kenya.
The only thing bigger than the state is the masses (and other bigger/stronger states like bazungus). But the masses have been effectively divided and conquered. Short of a real war breaking out, there is no way Ruto beats Uhuru.
Just my two cents.
Pundit, I honestly believe PEV is the only thing Ruto really has in his back pocket. The law means nothing in Kenya. Uhuru can go rogue and leave Ruto out of govt without firing him and intimidate the same Judges we saw intimidated just a few months ago, and they'll fold. Politicians are the least reliable weapons one has, especially in Kenya. None of them is gonna suffer for Ruto outside RV, they are simply too selfish. If it even begins to smell like things are thick they will jump even before Uhuru says jump, no matter how much money they have eaten. That's what this band of hyenas do.
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I note your bile against Raila - which does not surprise me since you are on record naming yourself the spokesman for "Kikuyus".
I also note your attempt to flatter Pundit by pretending to be out of sync with your tribesmen. I can grant you benefit of doubt. Perhaps you genuinely believed Moses Kuria and others who swore that they worship Ruto. Perhaps you have not heard from the Kikuyu Elders (= Read as Mama Ngina). Once you do, of course you will change your opinion and fall in line and vote for Muhoho Kenyatta.
The handshake calmed the country. The opposition has not been heard from since then. There are no demonstrations and no police killing of luos and Luhyas.
The handshake did not extend to URP wing of Jubilee. Unless you are saying Raila controls the URP wing of Jubilee, when you return please provide me with evidence of this:
If the silly handshake was meant to calm political temperature so that somehow economy can thrive, that's not happening.
I further note your use of the modifier "silly" reveals your opinion of the handshake. You are one of those extremists who fish in troubled waters and your stock suffered when the waters calmed.
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Pundit,
What's the motive behind uhuru and his henchmen? Uhuru and his mother they think own kikuyus or what? What does Raila bring to the table now that ruto doesn't? If its corruption the kenyatta are even worse than ruto cause they truly have captured the state. If the silly handshake was meant to calm political temperature so that somehow economy can thrive, that's not happening.
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The winner is Raila. The LOSER is Ruto. Uhuru is already PORK and loses nothing.
Well I see a mutually assured destruction and winner obviously is Raila.Good people Robina, Omollo, Gout, Pundit, Kichwa et al..... i didn't bet on this unraveling this quickly. I put a marker on it.
For our good friend it is now open war. I fear for him The DEEP STATE has moved. His hold or access was tenuous at best/skin deep as Gout says; never had any control except the kid in a "peremende" shop excitement that he was occasionally allowed at the pleasure of the real owners of state machinery and (levers of) power.
The sad thing is that Ruto really had a good chance at it but he over-concentrated on stealing. His gluttony has done him in. Now he has no strong leverage and no one of influence in his corner. Forget the so called 50/50 share of critical ministries and departments where he purportedly placed his people. Those fellows have no real power going for them and will look out for their selfish interest at the first sight of trouble. He will have the many hyenas circling around him for the freebies that he will be throwing at them.
Pundit/Robina better now face up to the reality; it is over! No need sugar coating it and living in denial. The night of the long knives is here with us.
Sadder really is that this is does not make it any better for Kenya. We have no force to galvanise the masses and take back our country. We are rudderless......this is when you wish for the good old days of the well meaning and patriotic young turks. Now we seem to have no fight in us, no desire but to just watch from the sidelines. I guess a battle weariness has set in.
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When Uhuru frustrated Kiunjuri despite dissuading him from running for governorship of Laikipia I knew immediately that he didn't intend to retire. Uhuru feel he is still young to retire. He has not allowed any succesor to emerge in GEMA which tell you the man doesn't intend to retire. That is all there is here. Murathe & company are pursuing two-prong approach - have Uhuru ran Jubilee as supreme leader - or have the constitution changed to allow for PM-President to co-exist so he can occupy.
The major causality is his gov - Ruto will not take this lying down - and unlike Raila who Uhuru has tamed -- there is a lot at stake here. This indeed is very sad turn of affairs. Uhuru has allowed his personal interest to override all interest - kikuyu be damned - esp those poor kikuyus all over rift valley who are pawn and kalenjin will obviously take their frustration on them.
Pundit,
What's the motive behind uhuru and his henchmen? Uhuru and his mother they think own kikuyus or what? What does Raila bring to the table now that ruto doesn't? If its corruption the kenyatta are even worse than ruto cause they truly have captured the state. If the silly handshake was meant to calm political temperature so that somehow economy can thrive, that's not happening.
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Uhuru cannot govern in peace without Ruto and Kikuyu-Kalenjin relationship immediately head south - leading to huge crisis coming soon. Agenda 4 without Ruto doesn't exists.
The winner is Raila. The LOSER is Ruto. Uhuru is already PORK and loses nothing.
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Uhuru cannot govern in peace without Ruto and Kikuyu-Kalenjin relationship immediately head south - leading to huge crisis coming soon. Agenda 4 without Ruto doesn't exists.
The winner is Raila. The LOSER is Ruto. Uhuru is already PORK and loses nothing.
Not that I think he's that cunning/clever but, Pundit, what if that is exactly what Kamwana is gunning for? That there will be a big PEV and he can then use the instability as an excuse to install himself as the defacto dictator ala Turkey? I'm just wondering out loud.
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He wants PORK split into PORK & PM - so he can take one of them. The constitutional change from 14 elders. His group calls themselves PUTIN - they want to pull a PUTIN -MEDVED - find a way to beat the 2 term limit. Uhuru you must know is about 57yrs now. Still very young. M7 in Uganda is 73 and will ran again in 2021 for another 7yr term.
Not that I think he's that cunning/clever but, Pundit, what if that is exactly what Kamwana is gunning for? That there will be a big PEV and he can then use the instability as an excuse to install himself as the defacto dictator ala Turkey? I'm just wondering out loud.
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My take is that eventually GEMA will force an alliance between Ruto and Raila. Since they will steal the ensuing election out of habit, one should expect PEV. In fact the mother of all PEVs.
My suggestion is Ruto should right now do a Miguna. But the type of Miguna should be along the lines of a constitutional change to expand devolution, limit PORK powers further curtail the opportunities for stealing elections. For instance:
1. increasing the county government share of the budget to 45% and clearly defining the devolved functions;
2. Expanding the functions of the county governments
3. Expressly forbidding the National Government from duplication such as in Health
He wants PORK split into PORK & PM - so he can take one of them. The constitutional change from 14 elders. His group calls themselves PUTIN - they want to pull a PUTIN -MEDVED - find a way to beat the 2 term limit. Uhuru you must know is about 57yrs now. Still very young. M7 in Uganda is 73 and will ran again in 2021 for another 7yr term.
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I like the miguna part. I think pulling the Majimbo/federalism card would be a migunasque move when it come to consitutional change. And that will get lots of popular support. Basically give Uhuru the whole BOMAS katiba. Ruto has to play smart and hard tackles..that is how SONKO played GEMA, won Nairobi and is now governing. Majimbo would endear Ruto to KANU/KADU old constituency - so it win-win.
Uhuru game plan if it's allowed is to use Raila to get constitution ammended to create fake PORK and executive PORK. Then to have Ruto take the fake PORK and he goes for executive PM.
Uhuru is playing very dangerous game with his community. Not only will they miss both PORK/DPORK - but they'll definitely be up for some beating in RV. I don't see how kalenjin will suck it up Uhuru failure to reciprocate 3 elections.
My take is that eventually GEMA will force an alliance between Ruto and Raila. Since they will steal the ensuing election out of habit, one should expect PEV. In fact the mother of all PEVs.
My suggestion is Ruto should right now do a Miguna. But the type of Miguna should be along the lines of a constitutional change to expand devolution, limit PORK powers further curtail the opportunities for stealing elections. For instance:
1. increasing the county government share of the budget to 45% and clearly defining the devolved functions;
2. Expanding the functions of the county governments
3. Expressly forbidding the National Government from duplication such as in Health
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The arrogance and disrespect is getting worse and more open with time. As long as they are seen as part of the same alliance though, the hustler must suck it up alone. Kamwana had to make peace with Raila in order to proceed chap chap cutting his "buddy" down to size bit by bit.
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Uhuru game plan if it's allowed is to use Raila to get constitution ammended to create fake PORK and executive PORK. Then to have Ruto take the fake PORK and he goes for executive PM.
I urge Uhuru and GEMA not to try. They would create a powerful alliance against himself. That would be the surest way to send Ruto into Raila's waiting hands and vice versa. The others like MaDvD are chokora who will eat whatever is handed down. Uhuru has one way out and that it to be honest with both Raila and Ruto.
Ruto has played them like a soloist guitar.
Uhuru/ GEMA plan was that Ruto would shut up, sit and wait until 2021 to be screwed like Wamalwa. He issued a dud cheque to him and asked him to cash it around 2022. Unfortunately Ruto decided to take the cheque to the bank immediately to find out if there is any money. He was told by the bank manager that the account was closed years ago.
Uhuru has either to put up the cash or face bankruptcy proceedings.
He wants a quick loan from Raila. Unfortunately Raila wants real collateral based on past bad experience.
GEMA have been caught lying and they are desperate.
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The arrogance and disrespect is getting worse and more open with time. As long as they are seen as part of the same alliance though, the hustler must suck it up alone. Kamwana had to make peace with Raila in order to proceed chap chap cutting his "buddy" down to size bit by bit.
While Raila made the deal honestly, I believe Uhuru went in as a way to renege on his commitments to Ruto. I agree with Pundit on the 3rd and 4th term plans.
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Basically the choice is either Ruto or Raila. I don't see any option they've got. If Uhuru plan is to play both Raila & Uhuru - then he will drive GEMA to huge disaster.GEMA demographics are declining - it very likely Luhyas will be biggest tribe next year census - 2022 is probably their last realistic shot at PORK. In 20yrs - Somalis will be one of biggest tribes of Kenya.
Uhuru game plan if it's allowed is to use Raila to get constitution ammended to create fake PORK and executive PORK. Then to have Ruto take the fake PORK and he goes for executive PM.
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The arrogance and disrespect is getting worse and more open with time. As long as they are seen as part of the same alliance though, the hustler must suck it up alone. Kamwana had to make peace with Raila in order to proceed chap chap cutting his "buddy" down to size bit by bit.
While Raila made the deal honestly, I believe Uhuru went in as a way to renege on his commitments to Ruto. I agree with Pundit on the 3rd and 4th term plans.
I think 3rd term is unsellable. My hunch is the hustler is seen as an outsider. Kamwana needs to unravel the arrangement so they can come up with a compromise that is an insider. I think even Kalonzo is seen as more of an insider than the hustler.
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The trouble with majimbo or any Ruto options is that he wants to be PORK. He can't whittle down PORK without messing things for himself. Unless the original plan holds it's a lose-lose for Ruto. He may have to be Raila's runningmate. :)
Raila tricked Uhuru he can be PM while Raila becomes PORK. Which is how trojan works.
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The trouble with majimbo or any Ruto options is that he wants to be PORK. He can't whittle down PORK without messing things for himself. Unless the original plan holds it's a lose-lose for Ruto. He may have to be Raila's runningmate. :)
Raila tricked Uhuru he can be PM while Raila becomes PORK. Which is how trojan works.
I think the hustler has the same problem as Raila. They cannot be trusted to NOT take independent directions that might harm the old money "establishment".
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As long as Government is the source of untold wealth and as long as one needs power so he can harvest of the largasse, we shall continue to see these games.
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I'm with Robina on this. I dont agree with you guys about Gema being in trouble. They are going to demonize Ruto even more than he deserves. Just you wait. Its still early days. And if there's PEV, this time they might even sacrifice someone to go to the Hague for real. If I were Ruto, Id cool it. Go along with Referendum, find a way to grab the powerful position for himself later on. If he is too oppositional too early, I honestly fear he will get himself Msando'd if only to make sure he doesnt do it to Kamwana first. There's a reason Sonko doesnt want a deputy who stands to gain so much should he hit the bucket.
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You sounds like a coward so scared of GEMA & Uhuru. There is nothing there. You don't get to position like Ruto is in through cowardice.This is it for Ruto - this is when rubber meet the road. There is no more postponing. He has to go with all he got - and at his age - he still has 20yrs to go.
I'm with Robina on this. I dont agree with you guys about Gema being in trouble. They are going to demonize Ruto even more than he deserves. Just you wait. Its still early days. And if there's PEV, this time they might even sacrifice someone to go to the Hague for real. If I were Ruto, Id cool it. Go along with Referendum, find a way to grab the powerful position for himself later on. If he is too oppositional too early, I honestly fear he will get himself Msando'd if only to make sure he doesnt do it to Kamwana first. There's a reason Sonko doesnt want a deputy who stands to gain so much should he hit the bucket.
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I dont mean he should postpone his 2022 bid. Im saying he should postpone this fight to after a referendum. He can still grab the more powerful position. Its not what he wants obviously but unless he can wrestle the state from Uhuru's hands somehow he has no choice. Me? Im not really invested any more in .ke politics. I can see itll never change. Just giving my observations.
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I'm with Robina on this. I dont agree with you guys about Gema being in trouble. They are going to demonize Ruto even more than he deserves. Just you wait. Its still early days. And if there's PEV, this time they might even sacrifice someone to go to the Hague for real. If I were Ruto, Id cool it. Go along with Referendum, find a way to grab the powerful position for himself later on. If he is too oppositional too early, I honestly fear he will get himself Msando'd if only to make sure he doesnt do it to Kamwana first. There's a reason Sonko doesnt want a deputy who stands to gain so much should he hit the bucket.
I also don’t see them as being in trouble. In fact this is as comfy as they’ve been in a while. I don’t see it getting to Msando’s level. But I could see it getting to someone’s ill-gotten wealth facing threats of being frozen and sham trials and said someone suing for peace and unmolested exit from the scene.
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So he gives a free pass on a referendum which essentially target his rightful "position" :). The constitution is not even 10yrs old. Ruto has to fight the referendum - all the way. All of us are not invested in politics - that is why we are arguing here - not in the ground. You support Raila - and there is nothing wrong. My wish is to have Ruto transform Kenya by grabbing power and lead us like Kagame or Museveni(in his prime) or Meles Zenawi to greater heights.
I dont mean he should postpone his 2022 bid. Im saying he should postpone this fight to after a referendum. He can still grab the more powerful position. Its not what he wants obviously but unless he can wrestle the state from Uhuru's hands somehow he has no choice. Me? Im not really invested any more in .ke politics. I can see itll never change. Just giving my observations.
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So he gives a free pass on a referendum which essentially target his rightful "position" :). The constitution is not even 10yrs old. Ruto has to fight the referendum - all the way. All of us are not invested in politics - that is why we are arguing here - not in the ground. You support Raila - and there is nothing wrong. My wish is to have Ruto transform Kenya by grabbing power and lead us like Kagame or Museveni(in his prime) or Meles Zenawi to greater heights.
I dont mean he should postpone his 2022 bid. Im saying he should postpone this fight to after a referendum. He can still grab the more powerful position. Its not what he wants obviously but unless he can wrestle the state from Uhuru's hands somehow he has no choice. Me? Im not really invested any more in .ke politics. I can see itll never change. Just giving my observations.
Pundit as usual you are overeacting with emotions. Railas days in politics are finished. You are the only one who still thinks this is about him. You are the only one who still imagines that he will be on the ballot in 2022...I dont see any if his supporters even entertaining that notion. Most of us know Raila is done with competitive politics. When he surrendered thats when I detached myself from ke. I dont see anyone else taking Kenya where I was hoping he would so I dont care who wins or loses in these fights. To me they are pretty much the same.
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If Uhuru find some use in Raila - he'll be resurrected. I see some convergence of interest. Both are past their sale date but want to continue being major players. Raila is approaching 80s. Uhuru would have served his two terms. Their people do not see a worth successor - kinda like Gusii lacking a Nyachae to take the mantle - so both are being edged on to keep going. That is nature of Africa politics.
Pundit as usual you are overeacting with emotions. Railas days in politics are finished. You are the only one who still thinks this is about him. When he surrendered thats when I detached myself from ke. I dont see anyone else taking Kenya where I was hoping he would so I dont care who wins or loses in these fights. To me they are pretty much the same.
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Ouru is looking out for the continuation of kikuyu dominance into the foreseeable future while Ruto is nostalgic of the Moi days and wants to substitute the Kikuyu dominance with Kalenjin dominance. Raila on the other hand is looking out for a system that will work for all Kenyans to share power peacefully into the future. If both Ruto and Ouru come to the realization that both of them could lose to the other, then they may consider listening to Raila's win/win solution for Kenya.
If Uhuru find some use in Raila - he'll be resurrected. I see some convergence of interest. Both are past their sale date but want to continue being major players. Raila is approaching 80s. Uhuru would have served his two terms. Their people do not see a worth successor - kinda like Gusii lacking a Nyachae to take the mantle - so both are being edged on to keep going. That is nature of Africa politics.
Pundit as usual you are overeacting with emotions. Railas days in politics are finished. You are the only one who still thinks this is about him. When he surrendered thats when I detached myself from ke. I dont see anyone else taking Kenya where I was hoping he would so I dont care who wins or loses in these fights. To me they are pretty much the same.
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Let just says all of them are out for political power. Not just power but the ultimate power. To be the top dog.
Ouru is looking out for the continuation of kikuyu dominance into the foreseeable future while Ruto is nostalgic of the Moi days and wants to substitute the Kikuyu dominance with Kalenjin dominance. Raila on the other hand is looking out for a system that will work for all Kenyans to share power peacefully into the future. If both Ruto and Ouru come to the realization that both of them could lose to the other, then they may consider listening to Raila's win/win solution for Kenya.
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https://www.facebook.com/ThePolitician001/videos/2067111470211635/
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They must be really desperate if they are now deploying the “nuclear option” of threats of violence. I am at a loss why the hustler thinks this is a viable option. Sudi might be opening himself up for arrest.
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It sounds like that clip is from last year right before the repeat election of 26th Oct.
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It sounds like that clip is from last year right before the repeat election of 26th Oct.
You are right. I was thinking it was yesterday. vooke should be counter checking and verifying before posting.
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It given there will be tribal clashes btw kikuyu and Kalenjin if Uhuru was to sabotage Ruto 2022 plan. There is really no need to incite anybody. It is the question of what will trigger the violence. And perhaps when - and I don't see it being resolved easily - it will be another long period before trust can be re-built - so those areas of rift valley which are cosmopolitan will be facing long periods of tensions, fighting and tribal re-alignments. I believe both sides knows this. Uhuru himself will be to blame. Not sudi.
Uhuru will get the blame for triggering it and for not doing enough to protect lives & property of people. If he plans to disagree with Ruto (and Kalenjin by extension); then he ought to put in place very robust measures that can mitigate that inevietable violence.
Kalenjin blames his father for re-settling "foreigners" in their land - a resettlement they opposed ab-initio - and here will be another Kenyatta giving them a middle finger after they voted for him 3 times. Ohoo boy that will be a huge disaster for many years.
They must be really desperate if they are now deploying the “nuclear option” of threats of violence. I am at a loss why the hustler thinks this is a viable option. Sudi might be opening himself up for arrest.
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They made a deal so why can't they just keep to it? This habit and history of reneging on promises is annoying
1. MoU with Raila
2. MoU with Ngilu and Wamalwa
3. MoU with Kalonzo
4. MoU with Awori
5. MoU with Ruto
The list is long and all ends in deception. Someone should hold them to account
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It given there will be tribal clashes btw kikuyu and Kalenjin if Uhuru was to sabotage Ruto 2022 plan. There is really no need to incite anybody. It is the question of what will trigger the violence. And perhaps when - and I don't see it being resolved easily - it will be another long period before trust can be re-built - so those areas of rift valley which are cosmopolitan will be facing long periods of tensions, fighting and tribal re-alignments. I believe both sides knows this. Uhuru himself will be to blame. Not sudi.
They must be really desperate if they are now deploying the “nuclear option” of threats of violence. I am at a loss why the hustler thinks this is a viable option. Sudi might be opening himself up for arrest.
What about non-Kikuyus in RV? If I were a non Kalenjin resident here, Gema or not, Id seriously consider relocating. I had relatives of mine affected in 2007. They left Kericho and Eldoret and Kitale. Those in Eldoret and Kitale it was just a short thing they soon returned but the ones in Kericho moved permanently to Kisii and Nairobi and have never returned. I hope this PEV stuff is just bluff. People start things like this thinking they can control how it develops but you never know what will happen. Remember Syra just began as some protest that was violently crushed. Now its hell on earth.
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I think you and many others don't understand the underlying issues. Imagine if Mzungu had grabbed Kisii land, displaced people living there, and when they left, the new leader a Kalenjin, resettle Kalenjin in Kisii and other tribes. The people of Kisii do not need to be incited. It's questions of an opportunity presenting himself. That is what RV & Coast people see the new settlers - about 1M new people moved to rift valley in 1960s - they see them more as occupiers.
Politics is an excuse. As a dispassionate pundit, let me help you with what will happen, if UhuRuto disagree, Kikuyus & Kalenjin will disagree, Kalenjin will start harrasing kikuyus in RV, it will simmer for sometime, until a trigger (say Uhuru fires a Kalenjin minister) or say Jubilee split or say Uhuru arrest Sudi or something like that, then it will escalates, and the big one is of course in 2022 - if there will be rigging or such games - then it will be huge fires.
2007 - I was there - it wasn't "serious" - Kalenjin were mostly responding to help Luos - who were getting massacred - and secondly eviction was the main target - that is why you had 1K dead ad 600K evicted - it wasn't about killing because Kibaki had not killed Kalenjin. I think it became about Killing when Kericho MP was killed..but generally it was mostly to evict kikuyus.
On day 2 in most places - after evicting kikuyus - there was nothing to do and people started going for gusiis. I'd say Kalenjin will evict everyone on "their" land if there was to be war unless they were fighting on the same war. Gusii are un-luckly because the are neither here or there.
What about non-Kikuyus in RV? If I were a non Kalenjin resident here, Gema or not, Id seriously consider relocating. I had relatives of mine affected in 2007. They left Kericho and Eldoret and Kitale. Those in Eldoret and Kitale it was just a short thing they soon returned but the ones in Kericho moved permanently to Kisii and Nairobi and have never returned. I hope this PEV stuff is just bluff. People start things like this thinking they can control how it develops but you never know what will happen. Remember Syra just began as some protest that was violently crushed. Now its hell on earth.
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Kenyatta seized the land belong to mau mau supporters and those who had been evicted by Mzungu. He refused to restore the land to them but offered to "settle" them in Rift Valley on land that the Mzungu had stolen from the Maa, Nandi, Kipsigis and Pokot (etc)
Most of the theft, especially of Kipsigis and nandi land is well documented through public notices and deceptive "treaties".
It is an issue that Uhuru was charged to stop when he came to power. The Kenyatta family is the genesis of the land clashes and other problems in the Rift Valley. Their greed for land has led to the demographic alteration of some parts of Kenya. For example Mpeketoni is an overture to the eventual "annexation" of Lamu. We have Rongai and Kajiado now completely take over.
So these grievances are genuine and deep. They are widespread.
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But people prefer to look for "inciter" to blame..there is really no need to incite ..it more of what will trigger...and fallout like UhuRuto knowing the context...would be seen as ultimate betrayal of Kalenjin by another Kenyatta..and would results in a backlash..that will be blame on Sudis.
Kenyatta seized the land belong to mau mau supporters and those who had been evicted by Mzungu. He refused to restore the land to them but offered to "settle" them in Rift Valley on land that the Mzungu had stolen from the Maa, Nandi, Kipsigis and Pokot (etc)
Most of the theft, especially of Kipsigis and nandi land is well documented through public notices and deceptive "treaties".
It is an issue that Uhuru was charged to stop when he came to power. The Kenyatta family is the genesis of the land clashes and other problems in the Rift Valley. Their greed for land has led to the demographic alteration of some parts of Kenya. For example Mpeketoni is an overture to the eventual "annexation" of Lamu. We have Rongai and Kajiado now completely take over.
So these grievances are genuine and deep. They are widespread.
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But people prefer to look for "inciter" to blame..there is really no need to incite ..it more of what will trigger...and fallout like UhuRuto knowing the context...would be seen as ultimate betrayal of Kalenjin by another Kenyatta..and would results in a backlash..that will be blame on Sudis.
First let's get one thing clear: There is a fallout. Like I predicted a few days ago, RV MPs met and after a marathon 5 hours released a statement saying they support the government in which they are. That is telling.
My count shows that Ruto has enough MPs to amend those parts of the constitution that require no referendum. He has as of now checkmated Uhuru Kenyatta.
On the Inciters issue:
I would agree with you and say there is no need to "incite". The anger against GEMA is barely under the surface and it is simmering. The best analogy I use when asked about it is "covering hot magma with banana leaves" and thinking all is well. Let me give you a brief overview:
Rift Valley is Hawaiian molten rock which has been suppressed under GEMA and successive governments' banana leaves for too long.
The discontent and anger against GEMA is national.
In terms of land, we have issues at the coast from Kwale to Tana River. I recently discovered that most of NEP land is "owned" by Kikuyus who obtained title deeds in the 60s. That has rendered 80% of NEP citizens landless.
The targeted killings in Nyanza and Western have lost GEMA any sympathies.
I mean now that they have alienated the only group of people that was willing to sympathize with them at least out of selfish political interests, GEMA has really no refuge.
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Omollo your deep hatred for the Kikuyu is back. 8) Like you advised hk, perhaps you should stick to your group's corner. Raila is really smiling as the trojan works wonders. I think he's waiting for the competing offers but is presently with GEMA. Should he join the Non-GEMA "comrade" who's raided his constituency or stick with the treacherous group?
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Omollo your deep hatred for the Kikuyu is back. 8) Like you advised hk, perhaps you should stick to your group's corner. Raila is really smiling as the trojan works wonders. I think he's waiting for the competing offers but is presently with GEMA. Should he join the Non-GEMA "comrade" who's raided his constituency or stick with the treacherous group?
Robina
I have no hatred for Kikuyus. My position is no different that of many liberal Kikuyus and man Kalenjins. In fact my position has widespread support in Kenya.
You are the people who will always lag behind. I respect Pundit for one thing: He is not shy to call a spade what it is.
Years ago, it was even a crime to mention the word Kikuyu or Luo or any tribe by name. Moi's propaganda machinery which was a continuation of the Kenyatta Draconian Regime had indoctrinated many of you to fear your heritage. You ignored the fact that the Kibaki government was based on tribalism and all decision it took were in the interests of Kikuyus. Later PEV would prove that the ordinary man of the street agreed more with me (and Pundit) than your fine wine drinking types speaking dead language.
I am glad we managed to get the truth out and mainstreamed it. Nowadays I can read on Twitter many of the things I suffered suspensions and expulsions from different fora for simply exercising my freedom of speech / expression.
About Raila: I think he really has no clue what is going on. He is determined to alter Kenya and to that end he has abandoned politics. It is after all true that age changes people. He has become a Mandela like figure. Being nice to everybody. We are waiting for the Hollywood types to turn up and take photos with him.
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It given there will be tribal clashes btw kikuyu and Kalenjin if Uhuru was to sabotage Ruto 2022 plan. There is really no need to incite anybody. It is the question of what will trigger the violence. And perhaps when - and I don't see it being resolved easily - it will be another long period before trust can be re-built - so those areas of rift valley which are cosmopolitan will be facing long periods of tensions, fighting and tribal re-alignments. I believe both sides knows this. Uhuru himself will be to blame. Not sudi.
Uhuru will get the blame for triggering it and for not doing enough to protect lives & property of people. If he plans to disagree with Ruto (and Kalenjin by extension); then he ought to put in place very robust measures that can mitigate that inevietable violence.
Kalenjin blames his father for re-settling "foreigners" in their land - a resettlement they opposed ab-initio - and here will be another Kenyatta giving them a middle finger after they voted for him 3 times. Ohoo boy that will be a huge disaster for many years.
They must be really desperate if they are now deploying the “nuclear option” of threats of violence. I am at a loss why the hustler thinks this is a viable option. Sudi might be opening himself up for arrest.
I don't buy the notion that Kalenjin are like some wild animal that operates on raw instincts. There is always someone responsible. People are moved and transported to scenes of crimes by the agency of those with the means to do so.
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Kibaki had his people on ground - NIS/CID/DCS/name them - people mostly walk to the "war" zone and they use crude weapons. I don't know what mobilization is required to make people to walk and carry bows & arrows. Yes there are few politicians and rich people who will lessen the pain of walking by offering their lorries - when proper "war" begin - but their role is not critical - people who arrive at war scene - will generally walk and carry crude weapon. The majority are unschooled and unwashed - just getting an opportunity to practise what they learn in circumcision training and mostly to steal.
I don't buy the notion that Kalenjin are like some wild animal that operates on raw instincts. There is always someone responsible. People are moved and transported to scenes of crimes by the agency of those with the means to do so.
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There is nothing genius here Termie:
Do not underestimate the anger against Uhuru and his people. I however do not by the sponteinty line. I think there are people like Mandago and Sudi who will give a signal and deny it.
Will people be killed? Probably later. I think Ruto's aim would be to pile pressure on Uhuru by forcing him to cater for millions of his own people displaced in RV. It will be very easy to do it actually. As it is there is not a single Kikuyu in RV who isn't counting down to that day when he would have to flee.
People stay where they live when assured of security. Remove that and replace it with an uncertain threat and they can no longer take chances. Leaflets alone have been known to move people. During elections Luhyas and Luos desert Nairobi, Mombasa and so on (where they have registered to vote!).
What Pundit is telling you is simple enough: You remove security guarantees and you wont have enough policemen to guard every home or escort kids to schools.
When it comes to real war - i.e. the exchange of fire with armed loyal troops, you get a completely new dynamic. Kenya does not have a national force. It is an losely amalgamated mix of tribesmen. Would Uhuru send Kikuyu policemen / GSU to RV to kill or would he send Kalenjin soldiers? Who is loyal to what?
I believe Ruto has virtually compromised the entire NIS and Provincial Administration in many parts of the county. If Njonjo could do it without money, how about Ruto who knows everyone's price.
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PEV is a good card - a strong bluff but just that. It's like threatening your debtor. If well played he pays. If you kill him, you lose the money and face possible legal and other consequences.
I didn't mean Omollo should not debate the national Kikuyuphobia. Just avoid Punditesque irrationale when it comes to Ruto. It's a plain fact the Kikuyu diaspora would suffer in any clashes. 92, 97, 07/8. What's less obvious is the outcome. What did the last PEV do to Uhuru, Ruto and Raila's alliances and careers? 2007 Kibaki fool brazenly cheated - what do you tell mzungu now? They're unlikely to support our man in 2022 so we kill them? :) Unless you mean Uhuru/GEMA will need to rig in 2022 which is a B-I-G likely wrong assumption.
Any number of scenarios could play out by 2022. Pundit may find himself yet again praising "Gentleman Uhuru" [sic].
About Kikuyuphobia and politics, recall 2002 and 2013. See you in 2022.
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Why can't you argue your case without always seeking to pyscho-analyse me?
PEV is a good card - a strong bluff but just that. It's like threatening your debtor. If well played he pays. If you kill him, you lose the money and face possible legal and other consequences.
I didn't mean Omollo should not debate the national Kikuyuphobia. Just avoid Punditesque irrationale when it comes to Ruto. It's a plain fact the Kikuyu diaspora would suffer in any clashes. 92, 97, 07/8. What's less obvious is the outcome. What did the last PEV do to Uhuru, Ruto and Raila's alliances and careers? 2007 Kibaki fool brazenly cheated - what do you tell mzungu now? They're unlikely to support our man in 2022 so we kill them? :) Unless you mean Uhuru/GEMA will need to rig in 2022 which is a B-I-G likely wrong assumption.
Any number of scenarios could play out by 2022. Pundit may find himself yet again praising "Gentleman Uhuru" [sic].
About Kikuyuphobia and politics, recall 2002 and 2013. See you in 2022.
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Robina
When you end up having all the names of places in Siaya changed to New Kiambu and you fail to buy sugar in your local market unless you ask for it in Gikuyu, you will have some understanding for the Kalenjin.
Migration within the country should be free for all not one-sided. We had Kenyatta ignore the fact that RV land was stolen from Kalenjins by Mzungu. He settled Kikuyus on that land in large numbers to the extent of permanently altering the demographic structure of the Rift Valley.
His son has refused to implement the constitution which should recognize and restore ancestral land to the rightful communities. He has used the occasion to expand his family land holdings by buying off more mzungus in RV.
This has happened while Central has been SEALED by hook and crook to all settlement.
I have great sympathy for the Maa and Nandi - two groups that lost most of their land to chauvinistic ethnic Kikuyu expansionism led by Paramount Chief Jomo Kenyatta.