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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on April 30, 2018, 10:00:54 AM
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Poor Kenya. It seems we are gona have 2022 campaigns for 5years. Only Uhuru can sleep.
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Ruto has been sidelined in this handshake team... what's happening Pundit?
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I think Ruto get's Uhuru sense of humour here. Raila is being made fun of by Uhuru. Ruto of course has to keep an eye on Raila and anybody who might want to dillute his 2022 PORK. I think some in GEMA seeing they have no succesor to Uhuru are finding themselves in 1975 again - and wants Uhuru to take an executive PM and Ruto a ceremonial pork in 2022.
Ruto has been sidelined in this handshake team... what's happening Pundit?
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I don't see how GEMA would want a PM arrangement given their numerical advantage. They're strategic and just want Ruto to assure them of 50-50 and not be smart alec. The PM thing is Raila after PORK turned into a pipe dream. The constitutional change won't happen but Raila will use the debate to drive a wedge between Ruto and smaller tribes who are presently "excluded" from Executive power. After the loss of non-GEMA and the cracks in Jubilee Raila will have a big say in 2022.
That's the Raila aim I suspect.
I think Ruto get's Uhuru sense of humour here. Raila is being made fun of by Uhuru. Ruto of course has to keep an eye on Raila and anybody who might want to dillute his 2022 PORK. I think some in GEMA seeing they have no succesor to Uhuru are finding themselves in 1975 again - and wants Uhuru to take an executive PM and Ruto a ceremonial pork in 2022.
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I am still not convinced Uhuru is intending to retire at his prime age...the man is not even 60yrs! So the idea of Medved-Putin appeals to him or Supreme Jubilee leader. Either way he doesn't want a GEMA succesor to emerge otherwise he won't have "killed" Kiunjuri and had that warning for GEMA pretenders in Muranga. The man intend to stay and Raila is going to help him with constitutional changes..or well he is willing to pursue the Supreme Leader thing but he can easily be ignored once Ruto picks a running mate.
Raila I think is a pawn in this game. He long ran out of aces. He is right now an overrated tribal chief - it just few folks from siaya who still think he has a shot.
I don't see how GEMA would want a PM arrangement given their numerical advantage. They're strategic and just want Ruto to assure them of 50-50 and not be smart alec. The PM thing is Raila after PORK turned into a pipe dream. The constitutional change won't happen but Raila will use the debate to drive a wedge between Ruto and smaller tribes who are presently "excluded" from Executive power. After the loss of non-GEMA and the cracks in Jubilee Raila will have a big say in 2022.
That's the Raila aim I suspect.
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Ruto should just play along and kick Uhuru to the cab after taking over. Ruto has enough clout which Raila is undercutting with Uhuru's connivance. Both retirees should go home after 2022. Uhuru can run Brookeside or broker peace in Somalia & Juba with kina Mbeki.
The coalition idea is not so great... we need a clean-slate PORK to execute his Big vision - answer to Parliament and judiciary - without other political partners bogging him down. We can judge him squarely for the good and the bad. Ruto's good enough for that.
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Pundito: I see Raila has moved from KAPUT to an overated tribal chief. Si we just wait and watch things unfold. The picture will become very clear very soon. One thing we know is that Ruto is no longer sleeping easy as he did after Ouru's swearing in. He has spent tones of money in a very short time to buy people and to make all kinds of moves. Most politicians are trying to replace the tones of money they spent during the campaign and will sing the song of anybody with open pockets. Its going to be a long five years for Ruto having thought Raila was in his rear view mirror just for Raila to appear again in front of him. He must be thinking he is seeing ghosts. Raila and Ouru holding hands while Ruto is running as an outsider-if anybody predicted this even one month ago, they would have been locked up in Mathare. This is evidence that one day in politics is like 10 years and should caution anybody from making unnecessary predictions too far out of 2022. Literally anything can happen.
I am still not convinced Uhuru is intending to retire at his prime age...the man is not even 60yrs! So the idea of Medved-Putin appeals to him or Supreme Jubilee leader. Either way he doesn't want a GEMA succesor to emerge otherwise he won't have "killed" Kiunjuri and had that warning for GEMA pretenders in Muranga. The man intend to stay and Raila is going to help him with constitutional changes..or well he is willing to pursue the Supreme Leader thing but he can easily be ignored once Ruto picks a running mate.
Raila I think is a pawn in this game. He long ran out of aces. He is right now an overrated tribal chief - it just few folks from siaya who still think he has a shot.
I don't see how GEMA would want a PM arrangement given their numerical advantage. They're strategic and just want Ruto to assure them of 50-50 and not be smart alec. The PM thing is Raila after PORK turned into a pipe dream. The constitutional change won't happen but Raila will use the debate to drive a wedge between Ruto and smaller tribes who are presently "excluded" from Executive power. After the loss of non-GEMA and the cracks in Jubilee Raila will have a big say in 2022.
That's the Raila aim I suspect.
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Robina, when you say "WE need a clean PORK", who are WE, who is that clean PORK and what are those HUGE vision agenda's? Things have changed and are still changing since the Servers were not opened and we are on a new trajectory. The Ruto 10 and Ouru 10 is out of the window. The new political trajectory is not clear yet but we know for sure the one that Ouru and Ruto started in 2013 and was supposed to last 20 years is no more. Ruto has acknowledged that as a fact and is already on Plan B which is to supposed to continue the semblance of that plan but without Ouru. 2017 was the year of change.
Ruto should just play along and kick Uhuru to the cab after taking over. Ruto has enough clout which Raila is undercutting with Uhuru's connivance. Both retirees should go home after 2022. Uhuru can run Brookeside or broker peace in Somalia & Juba with kina Mbeki.
The coalition idea is not so great... we need a clean-slate PORK to execute his Big vision - answer to Parliament and judiciary - without other political partners bogging him down. We can judge him squarely for the good and the bad. Ruto's good enough for that.
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I know you're one of few folks from Siaya Pundit alludes still dream of President Odinga. Take Pundit's advice and pick a successor. Raila us setting a very poor example for Uhuru and Ruto by hanging on past sell-by date.
It's Raila has moves but so does Ruto. I don't buy Pundit's dismissal of the man: he's a player, and just pulled the handshake out of the hat; Soon to pull referendum**... Ruto can't see around the bend before it's too late. Ruto's is the soft underbelly this round, as vulnerable as Raila 2012, and it shows on his face. The anxiety, fear and hunger are unmistakable. Does Raila have the power to marshall the mortal enemies to finish off Ruto?
The principal beneficiary of this fiasco is Uhuru and GEMA, as desperate Ruto sweetens their pie, with Raila threatening to snatch everything.
Robina, when you say "WE need a clean PORK", who are WE, who is that clean PORK and what are those HUGE vision agenda's? Things have changed and are still changing since the Servers were not opened and we are on a new trajectory. The Ruto 10 and Ouru 10 is out of the window. The new political trajectory is not clear yet but we know for sure the one that Ouru and Ruto started in 2013 and was supposed to last 20 years is no more. Ruto has acknowledged that as a fact and is already on Plan B which is to supposed to continue the semblance of that plan but without Ouru. 2017 was the year of change.
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Robina it would be a mistake to go soft on GEMA or Uhuru. That doesn't work. Ruto has to approach them from a point of strength - and that strength is having political support from Moyale to Namanga - from Busia to Liboi. That I think is where Ruto need to concentrate. Right now western is where all the action is...there is a lot of re-configuration going on there. Coast will be next. Ruto enjoys the upper-hand - and therefore will get GEMA backing - because they will be damned either way -
I know you're one of few folks from Siaya Pundit alludes still dream of President Odinga. Take Pundit's advice and pick a successor. Raila us setting a very poor example for Uhuru and Ruto by hanging on past sell-by date.
It's Raila has moves but so does Ruto. I don't buy Pundit's dismissal of the man: he's a player, and just pulled the handshake out of the hat; Soon to pull referendum**... Ruto can't see around the bend before it's too late. Ruto's is the soft underbelly this round, as vulnerable as Raila 2012, and it shows on his face. The anxiety, fear and hunger are unmistakable. Does Raila have the power to marshall the mortal enemies to finish off Ruto?
The principal beneficiary of this fiasco is Uhuru and GEMA, as desperate Ruto sweetens their pie, with Raila threatening to snatch everything.
Robina, when you say "WE need a clean PORK", who are WE, who is that clean PORK and what are those HUGE vision agenda's? Things have changed and are still changing since the Servers were not opened and we are on a new trajectory. The Ruto 10 and Ouru 10 is out of the window. The new political trajectory is not clear yet but we know for sure the one that Ouru and Ruto started in 2013 and was supposed to last 20 years is no more. Ruto has acknowledged that as a fact and is already on Plan B which is to supposed to continue the semblance of that plan but without Ouru. 2017 was the year of change.
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Robina, stop the silly/cheap politics. President Odinga has only been an obsession of the Odianga haters. To me Odinga represented the progressive wing of Kenyan politics while ouruto represented the right wing. When Odinga goes, I will still be representing that politics. For now, Odinga is the symbol of that wing of politics.
I know you're one of few folks from Siaya Pundit alludes still dream of President Odinga. Take Pundit's advice and pick a successor. Raila us setting a very poor example for Uhuru and Ruto by hanging on past sell-by date.
It's Raila has moves but so does Ruto. I don't buy Pundit's dismissal of the man: he's a player, and just pulled the handshake out of the hat; Soon to pull referendum**... Ruto can't see around the bend before it's too late. Ruto's is the soft underbelly this round, as vulnerable as Raila 2012, and it shows on his face. The anxiety, fear and hunger are unmistakable. Does Raila have the power to marshall the mortal enemies to finish off Ruto?
The principal beneficiary of this fiasco is Uhuru and GEMA, as desperate Ruto sweetens their pie, with Raila threatening to snatch everything.
Robina, when you say "WE need a clean PORK", who are WE, who is that clean PORK and what are those HUGE vision agenda's? Things have changed and are still changing since the Servers were not opened and we are on a new trajectory. The Ruto 10 and Ouru 10 is out of the window. The new political trajectory is not clear yet but we know for sure the one that Ouru and Ruto started in 2013 and was supposed to last 20 years is no more. Ruto has acknowledged that as a fact and is already on Plan B which is to supposed to continue the semblance of that plan but without Ouru. 2017 was the year of change.
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Handshake politics to shape 2022. I have seen Waiguru endorsing the grifter. I am waiting to see how and if kamwana will comment on the issue. The irony is Miguna who is already a footnote might actually end up supporting arap Singh. :D This shit is funny.
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Kichwa don't get me wrong: of course Raila is the face of progressive politics in Kenya. Ruto stands for the status quo. Sadly the ideology is a non-issue to Kenyans hence the tribal positioning. Since these two magicmen contend for non-GEMA leadership, Ruto is between a rock and a hard place pandering to both GEMA and non-GEMA. If he supports PM he faces trouble with GEMA. If he opposes it he faces trouble with smaller tribes especially Coast and Western. Raila knows this and is working him good.
So you're right we don't know what will happen by 2022. Except that Ruto's odds are now 50-50. Raila odds are zero ?
And don't even start to pretend you don't mellow at the thought of President Raila Odinga!
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Kichwa don't get me wrong: of course Raila is the face of progressive politics in Kenya. Ruto stands for the status quo. Sadly the ideology is a non-issue to Kenyans hence the tribal positioning. Since these two magicmen contend for non-GEMA leadership, Ruto is between a rock and a hard place pandering to both GEMA and non-GEMA. If he supports PM he faces trouble with GEMA. If he opposes it he faces trouble with smaller tribes especially Coast and Western. Raila knows this and is working him good.
So you're right we don't know what will happen by 2022. Except that Ruto's odds are now 50-50. Raila odds are zero ?
And don't even start to pretend you don't mellow at the thought of President Raila Odinga!
If there is one guy I would not write off, Baba would be it. If previous predictions were to be taken seriously, he'd already be in a trash heap. Instead he is still throwing heft all over the place way past his "sell by date". It would take death or a crippling illness to knock him out.
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If there is one guy I would not write off, Baba would be it. If previous predictions were to be taken seriously, he'd already be in a trash heap. Instead he is still throwing heft all over the place way past his "sell by date". It would take death or a crippling illness to knock him out.
His odds at PORK. the curse of the kingmaker.
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Robina - you heard it from here first. Uhuru's hanger on don't want to retire so soon...will Uhuru accept to go home! all evidence suggests he aint going home soon.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Atwoli-plea-to-give-Uhuru-soft-landing-met-with-criticism-/1064-4540060-nr1c0x/index.html
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This is Ruto's big headache - as he has vehemently opposed any change. Ruto's on his own just like 2010 - with Raila, Uhuru, Madvd, etc backing "inclusion". It could wind up in bad fallout at Ruto's expense. You heard Nyeri MP Ngunjiri Wambugu saying Gema will not accept Ruto to choose a DPORK for them... meaning we're watching as you try to build allies to break free of Gema. Handshake is two can play that game. I hope Ruto wins this checkers but I'm not confident he will.
Robina - you heard it from here first. Uhuru's hanger on don't want to retire so soon...will Uhuru accept to go home! all evidence suggests he aint going home soon.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Atwoli-plea-to-give-Uhuru-soft-landing-met-with-criticism-/1064-4540060-nr1c0x/index.html
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Makes sense, however, if you are right that Ouru is not going home then Ruto is definitely going home and Raila maybe coming in. It may explain why Ouru is not worried about betraying Ruto and also why Raila was telling Ruto to join him. The two maybe up to something. Anyway 2022 is still a long way from now and a lot will happen between now and then.
Robina - you heard it from here first. Uhuru's hanger on don't want to retire so soon...will Uhuru accept to go home! all evidence suggests he aint going home soon.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Atwoli-plea-to-give-Uhuru-soft-landing-met-with-criticism-/1064-4540060-nr1c0x/index.html
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I think there are things that we know for sure won't make thro - 14 regions is dead on arrival - executive PM elected by Mps rather than PORK elected by kenyans is out - I think Uhuru just want something to do after election - mostly his hanger-ons - it's Ruto job to find him something to do - I think Jubilee Supreme Leader will be good enough for him - but his hang-ons want to continue eating.
This is redux of 1975-76 - Ruto is now the Moi (I told ya :) and is assured of 2022 - and he is going to get everything thrown at him - but knowing Ruto - he won't choke - not at the final lap.
Makes sense, however, if you are right that Ouru is not going home then Ruto is definitely going home and Raila maybe coming in. It may explain why Ouru is not worried about betraying Ruto and also why Raila was telling Ruto to join him. The two maybe up to something. Anyway 2022 is still a long way from now and a lot will happen between now and then.
Robina - you heard it from here first. Uhuru's hanger on don't want to retire so soon...will Uhuru accept to go home! all evidence suggests he aint going home soon.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Atwoli-plea-to-give-Uhuru-soft-landing-met-with-criticism-/1064-4540060-nr1c0x/index.html
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I see you beat a retreat when you realized that Ouru staying on means Ruto going home. Now that you are done with your wishful thinking, let us watch events unfold some more then we can do some serious political punditry. Its going to take a while for you guys to accept the new reality. Things have changed. The server was never opened and we know who won.
I think there are things that we know for sure won't make thro - 14 regions is dead on arrival - executive PM elected by Mps rather than PORK elected by kenyans is out - I think Uhuru just want something to do after election - mostly his hanger-ons - it's Ruto job to find him something to do - I think Jubilee Supreme Leader will be good enough for him - but his hang-ons want to continue eating.
This is redux of 1975-76 - Ruto is now the Moi (I told ya :) and is assured of 2022 - and he is going to get everything thrown at him - but knowing Ruto - he won't choke - not at the final lap.
Makes sense, however, if you are right that Ouru is not going home then Ruto is definitely going home and Raila maybe coming in. It may explain why Ouru is not worried about betraying Ruto and also why Raila was telling Ruto to join him. The two maybe up to something. Anyway 2022 is still a long way from now and a lot will happen between now and then.
Robina - you heard it from here first. Uhuru's hanger on don't want to retire so soon...will Uhuru accept to go home! all evidence suggests he aint going home soon.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Atwoli-plea-to-give-Uhuru-soft-landing-met-with-criticism-/1064-4540060-nr1c0x/index.html
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So instead of kamwana endorsing the hustler and GEMA falling in line, we are treated to complicated plots and twists. Just the way hustler wanted it we will be told. Hilarious.
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So instead of kamwana endorsing the hustler and GEMA falling in line, we are treated to complicated plots and twists. Just the way hustler wanted it we will be told. Hilarious.
I'm beginning to believe you about GEMA duplicity... poor Ruto is quickly becoming simply 'kimundu' to be stabbed in the back.
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So instead of kamwana endorsing the hustler and GEMA falling in line, we are treated to complicated plots and twists. Just the way hustler wanted it we will be told. Hilarious.
I'm beginning to believe you about GEMA duplicity... poor Ruto is quickly becoming simply 'kimundu' to be stabbed in the back.
Right now, kamwana sees more baggage from Ruto than value. There is nothing in it(this particular partnership) for him going forward.
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14 counties that one dead.All small tribes will oppose this to the hilt - no way they can answer to large tribes who will dominate regional goverments. Executive is PM dead.Kenyans simply want to elect their PORK and so anything parliamentary will never be accepted. You don't need to wait to know which idea is dead on arrival or not..just use common sense.
What is not dead is PM in mold of NARA - supervisor of GOv or Uganda's Inspector General of Gov or Chief Ministers --appointed by PORK -- to appease more tribes as gema-kalenjin exchange the baton again. That one is pretty popular.
Uhuru if he wants to continue (and i assume he would want) - has basically 3 options - retire and recommend a DPORK for Ruto & enjoy his pension - remain Jubilee Party Leader and retire from gov - but active in politics - go for PM - which is hard work of running gov - basically Ruto right now is doing that job - supervising ministries and working with parliament to deliver stuff!
The Uhuru I know will most likely opt for Jubilee Party Leader...after hand-picking a successor to Ruto.
I see you beat a retreat when you realized that Ouru staying on means Ruto going home. Now that you are done with your wishful thinking, let us watch events unfold some more then we can do some serious political punditry. Its going to take a while for you guys to accept the new reality. Things have changed. The server was never opened and we know who won.
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:) You can string a sentence but to make sense is something else. Anybody who think Uhuru intend to terminate such a successful partnership with Ruto is day-dreaming. That is including you and Raila. Uhuru is handling Raila and his folks with 10 feet long pole.
Right now, kamwana sees more baggage from Ruto than value. There is nothing in it(this particular partnership) for him going forward.
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:) You can string a sentence but to make sense is something else. Anybody who think Uhuru intend to terminate such a successful partnership with Ruto is day-dreaming. That is including you and Raila. Uhuru is handling Raila and his folks with 10 feet long pole.
Right now, kamwana sees more baggage from Ruto than value. There is nothing in it(this particular partnership) for him going forward.
He doesn't need to terminate anything. He can simply allow it to be overtaken by events.
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Again words without meaning. Same differences. And after doing that - he can start a new partnership with ever quarrelsome Raila. You know Raila is well-known commodity in the market and even if he acts to be all cool and gentleman - Uhuru knows the man just need an inch and he takes a mile. That is why Uhuru is shielding the gov from Raila. This is just a "persona" relationship btw him and Raila - and that is what people don't get. It like Raila hiring Miguna and realizing the man is impossible to work with - when he in day 1 - he gets his office name-tagged - Principal Secretary - so basically get Miguna an office far away from Harambee avenue - in NHIF towers :)
This is exactly what they did to Raila - get him police escort and possibly some salary - and a council of elders to preach against tribalism :) - and that is all.
A mpango wa kando who thinks the guy will divorce his wife is day-dreaming.
He doesn't need to terminate anything. He can simply allow it to be overtaken by events.
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Again words without meaning. Same differences. And after doing that - he can start a new partnership with ever quarrelsome Raila. You know Raila is well-known commodity in the market and even if he acts to be all cool and gentleman - Uhuru knows the man just need an inch and he takes a mile. That is why Uhuru is shielding the gov from Raila. This is just a "persona" relationship btw him and Raila - and that is what people don't get. It like Raila hiring Miguna and realizing the man is impossible to work with - when he in day 1 - he gets his office name-tagged - Principal Secretary - so basically get Miguna an office far away from Harambee avenue - in NHIF towers :)
He doesn't need to terminate anything. He can simply allow it to be overtaken by events.
Let's keep our fingers crossed for that big endorsement and GEMA falling in line then. There is still time. :D
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Uhuru has endorsed Ruto several times for 2022 - but if you're waiting for Uhuru to do this everyday then sorry. GEMAs are in Ruto plank already - Ruto is going to harvest the goodwill & loyalty of the last many years with Uhuru. Raila and anyone else who want to compete for GEMA - have huge mountain to climb :). This is like Moi in 1978 -nothing can stop it - Raila had his chance with Kibaki and he blew it up :).
Raila and his groupies are going to attempt everything - including openning up all orifices for Uhuru (and acting they enjoy the .shging)- :D :D but sorry can't be trusted. Ruto has been in trenches with GEMA in nearly 4 wars now...ICC..2013..2017A and 2017B...that is a marriage that is long consummated.
Let's keep our fingers crossed for that big endorsement and GEMA falling in line then. There is still time. :D
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Uhuru has endorsed Ruto several times for 2022 - but if you're waiting for Uhuru to do this everyday then sorry. GEMAs are in Ruto plank already - Ruto is going to harvest the goodwill & loyalty of the last many years with Uhuru. Raila and anyone else who want to compete for GEMA - have huge mountain to climb :) . This is like Moi in 1978 - Raila had his chance with Kibaki and he blew it up :) .
Raila and his groupies are going to attempt everything - including open up all orifices for Uhuru - :D :D but sorry can't be trusted. Ruto has been in trenches with GEMA in nearly 4 wars now...ICC..2013..2017A and 2017B...that is a marriage that is long consummated.
Let's keep our fingers crossed for that big endorsement and GEMA falling in line then. There is still time. :D
I haven't seen him do that after the handshake. Not even once.
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Maybe not in the presence of "mpango wa kando" but certainly he has. For example, in Muranga after the public rally in Iruha stadium, Uhuru & Ruto went to towns in Muranga to thank them for electing them in 2017 and Uhuru warned those following Ruto to be chosen DPORK to work for it - not follow Ruto around. I don't know how clear you want that to be :) :) . PORK 2022 is done deal. It's not even a subject of debate - the debate is who is Ruto's DPORK in 2022 and Uhuru role post 2022. Uhuru will certainly look for something that allows him to remain respected elder-stateman - so my bet is he'll take the Supreme Leader of Jubilee - who just like Tuju - will sit in cabinet or gov in need basis. Then he'll pick someone to be DPORK.
I haven't seen him do that after the handshake. Not even once.
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Maybe not in the presence of "mpango wa kando" but certainly he has. For example, in Muranga after the public rally in Iruha stadium, Uhuru & Ruto went to towns in Muranga to thank them for electing them in 2017 and Uhuru warned those following Ruto to be chosen DPORK to work for it - not follow Ruto around. I don't know how clear you want that to be :) :) . PORK 2022 is done deal. It's not even a subject of debate - the debate is who is Ruto's DPORK in 2022 and Uhuru role post 2022.
I haven't seen him do that after the handshake. Not even once.
The fact that you have to recall some obscure event when he actually did it indirectly should raise alarms bells. It's an indicator of just how unusual it is for kamwana to back his DPORK for 2022. And all because he does not want to annoy "mpango wa kando" that should be gathering dust in a trash heap?
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Yeah the event was obscure :) but I don't think Ruto is so insecure as to demand Uhuru direct endorsement now. This is the time for "Mpango wa Kando" to enjoy his 5 minutes in fame - and in exchange NASA is dead as dodo :) . Ruto desk is full. The man runs gov.
In the spirit of hand-shake -expect Uhuru to ask Raila to support Ruto :D - very soon. The time is not yet over. MaDVD had his 5-minute of fame :D when Uhuru handed over 2013 to him :)
The fact that you have to recall some obscure event when he actually did it indirectly should raise alarms bells. It's an indicator of just how unusual it is for kamwana to back his DPORK for 2022. And all because he does not want to annoy "mpango wa kando" that should be gathering dust in a trash heap?
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Pundito, you are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel. I basket ball they say every team gets a run, I think your run is over.
Yeah the event was obscure :) but I don't think Ruto is so insecure as to demand Uhuru direct endorsement now. This is the time for "Mpango wa Kando" to enjoy his 5 minutes in fame - and in exchange NASA is dead as dodo :) . Ruto desk is full. The man runs gov.
In the spirit of hand-shake -expect Uhuru to ask Raila to support Ruto :D - very soon. The time is not yet over. MaDVD had his 5-minute of fame :D when Uhuru handed over 2013 to him :)
The fact that you have to recall some obscure event when he actually did it indirectly should raise alarms bells. It's an indicator of just how unusual it is for kamwana to back his DPORK for 2022. And all because he does not want to annoy "mpango wa kando" that should be gathering dust in a trash heap?
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Ouru actually thinks the partnership has been unsuccessful because it divided the country and that is why he was apologizing. Ruto thrives in division and I think Kamwana is tired of his hardball politics. Ruto really looks awkward and desperate lately. Even his "me too" apology looked awkward and sounded insincere. What about showing up at Kabarnet without securing an appointment just for a "me too" photo op with Moi. Ruto needs to chill-2022 is still along ways.
:) You can string a sentence but to make sense is something else. Anybody who think Uhuru intend to terminate such a successful partnership with Ruto is day-dreaming. That is including you and Raila. Uhuru is handling Raila and his folks with 10 feet long pole.
Right now, kamwana sees more baggage from Ruto than value. There is nothing in it(this particular partnership) for him going forward.
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Which partnership is not divisive...MaDVD -Weta-Kalonzo are feeling left out...already. Ruto is Uhuru deputy so he'll have to follow the leader (fuata nyayo) until he is sworn in and he can begin his term on his terms. Right now If uhuru say jump - Ruto jumps. Of course as long as 2022 plans are not "touched"
Ouru actually thinks the partnership has been unsuccessful because it divided the country and that is why he was apologizing. Ruto thrives in division and I think Kamwana is tired of his hardball politics. Ruto really looks awkward and desperate lately. Even his "me too" apology looked awkward and sounded insincere. What about showing up at Kabarnet without securing an appointment just for a "me too" photo op with Moi. Ruto needs to chill-2022 is still along ways.
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Kenyans should not entertain Uhuru attempt to extend his tenure through PM backdoor. Even Jubilee Party Leader Ruto should just allow him for 2022 purposes and toss him out pronto after that. Uhuru needs to respect democracy.
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Haaa! When did Kenyans start caring about democracy. They only do when it affects their guy. I do not see many Kalenjins and Kikuyus demanding the server to be opened. When Ouru tries to get a third term then let Kalenjins go to the streets for a change. Maybe when everyone has been adversely affected by impunity then we may take democracy seriously.
Kenyans should not entertain Uhuru attempt to extend his tenure through PM backdoor. Even Jubilee Party Leader Ruto should just allow him for 2022 purposes and toss him out pronto after that. Uhuru needs to respect democracy.
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The Ouruto one was the most divisive and that is why it cannot last as long as was predicted. It has only been five years and Ouru is already apologizing. It was supposed to last 100 years but it’s already collapsing after five years.
Which partnership is not divisive...MaDVD -Weta-Kalonzo are feeling left out...already. Ruto is Uhuru deputy so he'll have to follow the leader (fuata nyayo) until he is sworn in and he can begin his term on his terms. Right now If uhuru say jump - Ruto jumps. Of course as long as 2022 plans are not "touched"
Ouru actually thinks the partnership has been unsuccessful because it divided the country and that is why he was apologizing. Ruto thrives in division and I think Kamwana is tired of his hardball politics. Ruto really looks awkward and desperate lately. Even his "me too" apology looked awkward and sounded insincere. What about showing up at Kabarnet without securing an appointment just for a "me too" photo op with Moi. Ruto needs to chill-2022 is still along ways.
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Ouru actually thinks the partnership has been unsuccessful because it divided the country and that is why he was apologizing. Ruto thrives in division and I think Kamwana is tired of his hardball politics. Ruto really looks awkward and desperate lately. Even his "me too" apology looked awkward and sounded insincere. What about showing up at Kabarnet without securing an appointment just for a "me too" photo op with Moi. Ruto needs to chill-2022 is still along ways.
Yep. Handshake is incompatible with siasa za ukabila that the hustler hopes to ride to power where people look the other way because their guy is the beneficiary of a stolen the election. If the bridges initiative works, then the hustler will be forced to appeal to more than just ethnicity. Right now the hustler's brand of politics feels outdated.
The snub at Nyayo's residence is an interesting one. It seems he has trouble even securing an audience with Moi. It's early days, but the money people seem to be creating some daylight between themselves and him.
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Yep. Handshake is incompatible with siasa za ukabila that the hustler hopes to ride to power where people look the other way because their guy is the beneficiary of a stolen the election. If the bridges initiative works, then the hustler will be forced to appeal to more than just ethnicity. Right now the hustler's brand of politics feels outdated.
The snub at Nyayo's residence is an interesting one. It seems he has trouble even securing an audience with Moi. It's early days, but the money people seem to be creating some daylight between themselves and him.
Uh? what snub Mr bitmask?
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Yep. Handshake is incompatible with siasa za ukabila that the hustler hopes to ride to power where people look the other way because their guy is the beneficiary of a stolen the election. If the bridges initiative works, then the hustler will be forced to appeal to more than just ethnicity. Right now the hustler's brand of politics feels outdated.
The snub at Nyayo's residence is an interesting one. It seems he has trouble even securing an audience with Moi. It's early days, but the money people seem to be creating some daylight between themselves and him.
Uh? what snub Mr bitmask?
Deputy President William Ruto visited former President Daniel arap Moi at his Kabarak home on Thursday, but failed to meet him.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/DR-Ruto-fails-to-meet-ex-president-Moi/1064-4543900-jgtlvj/index.html
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bitmask - wololo, didn't he confirm before the visit? How embarassing!
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bitmask - wololo, didn't he confirm before the visit? How embarassing!
Yep. Moi could not even come out for a quick chamgei weri and go back to "doing physiotherapy".
Standard claims he had to walk from the airstrip to Moi's compound.
Given that there were no prior arrangements, there was nobody at hand to receive the DP. And since there was no car either, the Deputy President and his team had to walk to Moi’s compound.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001279141/why-dp-ruto-s-plan-to-meet-former-president-moi-was-aborted
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bitmask - wololo, didn't he confirm before the visit? How embarassing!
Yep. Moi could not even come out for a quick chamgei weri and go back to "doing physiotherapy".
Standard claims he had to walk from the airstrip to Moi's compound.
Given that there were no prior arrangements, there was nobody at hand to receive the DP. And since there was no car either, the Deputy President and his team had to walk to Moi’s compound.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001279141/why-dp-ruto-s-plan-to-meet-former-president-moi-was-aborted
I read in your earlier link that Ruto wanted to meet the senile Moi minus the son hence the conflict. I think Ruto should not suck up to anyone - Moi, Kibaki, Uhuru, etc - insecurity is very repulsive in a otherwise powerful man.
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Parliament needs to create the position of Chief Minister for RAO so that the country can stabilize for economic growth. That would be the interim government while we figure out how to formalize an inclusive government for the future and enshrine it in the constitution.
bitmask - wololo, didn't he confirm before the visit? How embarassing!
Yep. Moi could not even come out for a quick chamgei weri and go back to "doing physiotherapy".
Standard claims he had to walk from the airstrip to Moi's compound.
Given that there were no prior arrangements, there was nobody at hand to receive the DP. And since there was no car either, the Deputy President and his team had to walk to Moi’s compound.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001279141/why-dp-ruto-s-plan-to-meet-former-president-moi-was-aborted
I read in your earlier link that Ruto wanted to meet the senile Moi minus the son hence the conflict. I think Ruto should not suck up to anyone - Moi, Kibaki, Uhuru, etc - insecurity is very repulsive in a otherwise powerful man.
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As expected the inept Gideon failed to capitalize on the Ruto embarassment and allowed Ruto boys to give him a dress down. The fool only has two allies - Salat and Kamket. It seems all MCAs, market women and herders are in Ruto's corner. Enyewe Gideon is just hopeless as a leader, not a single political gene trickled down from the dad.
Ruto’s allies attack Gideon at burial of Baringo South MP
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Ruto-s-allies-attack-Gideon-Moi-at-Baringo-South-MP-burial-/1064-4547302-c1tp2h/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Ruto-s-allies-attack-Gideon-Moi-at-Baringo-South-MP-burial-/1064-4547302-c1tp2h/index.html)
(https://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/4547316/highRes/1963942/-/maxw/600/-/123efplz/-/DP.jpg)
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Of course! it took a New York second for your true colors to show. At least bitmask suspects Raila has received a hefty bribe to give up his victory. Do you actually believe in the new reform push?
Anyway I hear Agwambo already has a brand new motorcade befitting the handshake. Tough to tell who's the DPORK.
Parliament needs to create the position of Chief Minister for RAO so that the country can stabilize for economic growth. That would be the interim government while we figure out how to formalize an inclusive government for the future and enshrine it in the constitution.
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I do not know what Agwambo has received or not and I do not care. Why are you not worried about the billions being looted everyday by the likes of ruto. What is a motorcade compared to what the looters steal every minute and it does not seem to bother you.
My point is very simple. Agwambo has done what he is required to as an opposition leader. He has won one elections according to most and three according to his supporters but he has not been president. He cannot even get the server opened despite a supreme court order. I therefore do not see the need for doing the same thing over and over again. He should now do something new and I support it. I really do not care for your silly name calling. Tell me something new.
Of course! it took a New York second for your true colors to show. At least bitmask suspects Raila has received a hefty bribe to give up his victory. Do you actually believe in the new reform push?
Anyway I hear Agwambo already has a brand new motorcade befitting the handshake. Tough to tell who's the DPORK.
Parliament needs to create the position of Chief Minister for RAO so that the country can stabilize for economic growth. That would be the interim government while we figure out how to formalize an inclusive government for the future and enshrine it in the constitution.
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Gideon has to protect his father. Moi is 93 years old and senile. You do not want self seeking politicians like Ruto to go see him when Gideon is not there and then use the meeting for political reasons. If he Ruto want to see Moi he should talk to Gideon and not pay politicians to abuse Gidi. Only people like you are mesmerized by WSR's PR. Moi belongs to his family first.
As expected the inept Gideon failed to capitalize on the Ruto embarassment and allowed Ruto boys to give him a dress down. The fool only has two allies - Salat and Kamket. It seems all MCAs, market women and herders are in Ruto's corner. Enyewe Gideon is just hopeless as a leader, not a single political gene trickled down from the dad.
Ruto’s allies attack Gideon at burial of Baringo South MP
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Ruto-s-allies-attack-Gideon-Moi-at-Baringo-South-MP-burial-/1064-4547302-c1tp2h/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Ruto-s-allies-attack-Gideon-Moi-at-Baringo-South-MP-burial-/1064-4547302-c1tp2h/index.html)
(https://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/4547316/highRes/1963942/-/maxw/600/-/123efplz/-/DP.jpg)
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Hero worship 101. Akipenda, chongo huita kengeza
I do not know what Agwambo has received or not and I do not care. Why are you not worried about the billions being looted everyday by the likes of ruto. What is a motorcade compared to what the looters steal every minute and it does not seem to bother you.
My point is very simple. Agwambo has done what he is required to as an opposition leader. He has won one elections according to most and three according to his supporters but he has not been president. He cannot even get the server opened despite a supreme court order. I therefore do not see the need for doing the same thing over and over again. He should now do something new and I support it. I really do not care for your silly name calling. Tell me something new.
Of course! it took a New York second for your true colors to show. At least bitmask suspects Raila has received a hefty bribe to give up his victory. Do you actually believe in the new reform push?
Anyway I hear Agwambo already has a brand new motorcade befitting the handshake. Tough to tell who's the DPORK.
Parliament needs to create the position of Chief Minister for RAO so that the country can stabilize for economic growth. That would be the interim government while we figure out how to formalize an inclusive government for the future and enshrine it in the constitution.
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Why are you so fond of calling people names. Its a very bad habit.
Hero worship 101. Akipenda, chongo huita kengeza
I do not know what Agwambo has received or not and I do not care. Why are you not worried about the billions being looted everyday by the likes of ruto. What is a motorcade compared to what the looters steal every minute and it does not seem to bother you.
My point is very simple. Agwambo has done what he is required to as an opposition leader. He has won one elections according to most and three according to his supporters but he has not been president. He cannot even get the server opened despite a supreme court order. I therefore do not see the need for doing the same thing over and over again. He should now do something new and I support it. I really do not care for your silly name calling. Tell me something new.
Of course! it took a New York second for your true colors to show. At least bitmask suspects Raila has received a hefty bribe to give up his victory. Do you actually believe in the new reform push?
Anyway I hear Agwambo already has a brand new motorcade befitting the handshake. Tough to tell who's the DPORK.
Parliament needs to create the position of Chief Minister for RAO so that the country can stabilize for economic growth. That would be the interim government while we figure out how to formalize an inclusive government for the future and enshrine it in the constitution.