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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: gout on March 25, 2018, 05:37:27 PM
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Interesting interview- seems there is quite a deal or I can't read.
Do you see this leading to a power-sharing coalition government ahead of 2022?
No. That does not arise. We’ve said we’re not after nusu mkate, we want real change
What will be done differently?
The intention is that best practices from around the world might show us how to make institutions work.
But, we have to insulate the process from politics. We recognise our problems and want these things to stop with us, the two of us. We want to bequeath a country that is working.
But, that still limits it to an Uhuru-Raila process?
Other people and groupings will be involved, but we must be on guard against vested interests that may try to tilt things in their favour.
We want to do this in the best interest of the country.
How did this initiative come about, who approached who?
That I will not tell you. I will not tell you!
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Raila-ODINGA-stand-on-poll-reform/1064-4356478-3j0u8cz/index.html
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Obama, he echoed the exact same sentiments in Sydney.
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Raila is officially senile.He is being led to his slaughter and he has no clue
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Its simple if you know how to read btw the line.Raila is looking for job with secretariat possibly as chief advisor on agenda4 and Uhuru 4.Ruto wants tjat role restricted ..Also Raila will have to back WSR for 2022 or he is going nowhere.Any bill brought to parliament to give teeth to Raila office will fail coz Ruto controls parliament n Raila has lost half of NASA.So eventualy Uhuru will give him a job with no grounding in law and if he doesnt support Ruto for 2022 he will be fired or frustrated down the line.Raila continues to weaken himself and may not even be a kingmaker in 2022..just another kalonzo hawking 10%.All Ruto need is to take away coast n gusii.Luhyas are gone.In short Raila has accepted to be Uhuru biatch but jubilee is a combo and Ruto will want his turn too.
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Raila is an old man with nothing to loose. This trojan complicates things for Ruto - by increasing Gema leverage, etc. For instance blocking a Uhuru-backed Raila office is a very complex issue beyond numbers in parliament.
Its simple if you know how to read btw the line.Raila is looking for job with secretariat possibly as chief advisor on agenda4 and Uhuru 4.Ruto wants tjat role restricted ..Also Raila will have to back WSR for 2022 or he is going nowhere.Any bill brought to parliament to give teeth to Raila office will fail coz Ruto controls parliament n Raila has lost half of NASA.So eventualy Uhuru will give him a job with no grounding in law and if he doesnt support Ruto for 2022 he will be fired or frustrated down the line.Raila continues to weaken himself and may not even be a kingmaker in 2022..just another kalonzo hawking 10%.All Ruto need is to take away coast n gusii.Luhyas are gone.In short Raila has accepted to be Uhuru biatch but jubilee is a combo and Ruto will want his turn too.
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Robina, do you agree with Obama's speech in Sydney about young people and institutions? Fact, logic gibberish.
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/former-us-president-barack-obama-set-to-jet-into-sydney-today/news-story/9a316972144ac0a8ca693168314ea556
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This is unfathomable. Raila echoing Uhuru's snare words about 'no politicking'. What does that even mean - a prostitute talking of no sex?? Way beyond senility!!
No surprise - Obama is master of useless empty words and speeches! He kept crying to us how the US constitution tied him even to help his grandmother - now Trump is bullying everybody and doing what he promised with the same damn constitution. Am sure his prostitutes are being paid from state coffers.
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Interesting interview- seems there is quite a deal or I can't read.
Do you see this leading to a power-sharing coalition government ahead of 2022?
No. That does not arise. We’ve said we’re not after nusu mkate, we want real change
What will be done differently?
The intention is that best practices from around the world might show us how to make institutions work.
But, we have to insulate the process from politics. We recognise our problems and want these things to stop with us, the two of us. We want to bequeath a country that is working.
But, that still limits it to an Uhuru-Raila process?
Other people and groupings will be involved, but we must be on guard against vested interests that may try to tilt things in their favour.
We want to do this in the best interest of the country.
How did this initiative come about, who approached who?
That I will not tell you. I will not tell you!
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Raila-ODINGA-stand-on-poll-reform/1064-4356478-3j0u8cz/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Raila-ODINGA-stand-on-poll-reform/1064-4356478-3j0u8cz/index.html)
It obviously bears repeating, though Robina has already said it. This is confusing stuff, not just for NASA or the Migunas, but more so for the Hustler and his 2022 plans. If I didn't know any better, I would say it looks like GEMA is working to free itself of any dues any person might think they owe them. To approach 2022 on a fresh slate free to choose whoever they want like everybody else.
To put it bluntly, they will not vote for the hustler. The less kamwana wants to do with 2022, the more obvious it becomes. The path to state house for the hustler, outside of a compromised IEBC, looks increasingly murky. But it's early days.
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Interesting interview- seems there is quite a deal or I can't read.
Do you see this leading to a power-sharing coalition government ahead of 2022?
No. That does not arise. We’ve said we’re not after nusu mkate, we want real change
What will be done differently?
The intention is that best practices from around the world might show us how to make institutions work.
But, we have to insulate the process from politics. We recognise our problems and want these things to stop with us, the two of us. We want to bequeath a country that is working.
But, that still limits it to an Uhuru-Raila process?
Other people and groupings will be involved, but we must be on guard against vested interests that may try to tilt things in their favour.
We want to do this in the best interest of the country.
How did this initiative come about, who approached who?
That I will not tell you. I will not tell you!
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Raila-ODINGA-stand-on-poll-reform/1064-4356478-3j0u8cz/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Raila-ODINGA-stand-on-poll-reform/1064-4356478-3j0u8cz/index.html)
It obviously bears repeating, though Robina has already said it. This is confusing stuff, not just for NASA or the Migunas, but more so for the Hustler and his 2022 plans. If I didn't know any better, I would say it looks like GEMA is working to free itself of any dues any person might think they owe them. To approach 2022 on a fresh slate free to choose whoever they want like everybody else.
To put it bluntly, they will not vote for the hustler. The less kamwana wants to do with 2022, the more obvious it becomes. The path to state house for the hustler, outside of a compromised IEBC, looks increasingly murky. But it's early days.
Shh. Pundit will say you're dead wrong, that everyone has turned off the scheming and only Ruto can plan. He could just be right.
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Robina, do you agree with Obama's speech in Sydney about young people and institutions? Fact, logic gibberish.
http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/former-us-president-barack-obama-set-to-jet-into-sydney-today/news-story/9a316972144ac0a8ca693168314ea556
I don’t note any statement of stance from the speech. But our adorable Obama is a classic politician thinking all are misguided but he. The truth is, all opinion is personal. The core issues canvassed in politics are gray areas that defy the right-wrong binary fitting.
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You know I am right because my record here speaks for itself. Patel even hounded me for MOAS - claiming it was part of the rigging plan.You see if you analyze GEMA & Uhuru - then you it easy to understand their motivation.Ruto has made it so hard for GEMA to swindle him. When you say leverage against Ruto - what for. Ruto is committed to 50-50 deal with GEMA. They will pick the DP and will get half the share of GOK. And the man to do that is Uhuru or Mama Ngina if you like.Now Raila can top that - by agreeing to support Uhuru son in 2022 - and that will be quite something. Otherwise in GEMA I don't see anybody who in 4yrs now can rise up in Jubilee to take on Ruto. Uhuru knows it. Every GEMA upstart nows it.Ruto now is collosus that rans Jubilee....from Busia to Mombasa...from Namanga to Mandera. I don't know how an upstart within or outside Jubilee can challenge that.
As for Raila...the race to the bottom is clearly on...already he was down to coast, Gusii (got zero MP there :)), parts of maa-turkana and parts of Luhya. All those are now re-aligning to Ruto camp bar the luhyas who MADVD & Wetangula could manage to unite - uniting Bukusu & Maragoli is the trick part - and for the first time they have a common enemy. That is Raila.
Ruto will struggle amongst the Gusii..& Luos..but everywhere else he'll be getting votes in 2022..and that is how MOAS 2022 is starting to look like..Ruto alone - without Uhuru will start with about 30-35% of the national vote.
Shh. Pundit will say you're dead wrong, that everyone has turned off the scheming and only Ruto can plan. He could just be right.
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bitmask Any proper rebuttle to RV Pundit?
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bitmask Any proper rebuttle to RV Pundit?
He did not predict rigging in the August elections. He probaby still doesn’t realize it happened. Is that good enough?
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Absolutely right - no evidence of rigging has been adduced. The SCORK invalidated the electio coz of "processes" but nobody to this date has succesfully imputed the results of any polling station.
He did not predict rigging in the August elections. He probaby still doesn’t realize it happened. Is that good enough?
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Absolutely right - no evidence of rigging has been adduced. The SCORK invalidated the electio coz of "processes" but nobody to this date has succesfully imputed the results of any polling station.
He did not predict rigging in the August elections. He probaby still doesn’t realize it happened. Is that good enough?
What processes? Have you read the ruling on August 8th elections?
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We really don't need to loop thro it again and again. The election held on 8.8.2018 reflected the will of the people so much Raila knew it and had to boycott the repeat. The elections was water-tight - there were several layers of verification..at every polling station...but SCORK made a stupid ruling. If you didn't like what people witnessed during counting..there was a paper copy placed on every polling station door..there was key-in data transmitted by KIEMS and digital trail that ends in every const tallying center...HQ tallying center..and the main servers in frances..there was a scanned copy...there were ftp-ed copies---there were ballot papers on the box with sealed..there was the media..there were observers...and even some observers did a sceintific random sampling - stayed thro the whole processes - collated their results - and it came to the dot near IEBC results .
(https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/saturday/tcbpalmhctmtmn598ef7630199f.jpg)
If even before election were held - some of us did MOAS - and we predicted to the dot - the same results. Prof from Ireland did his MOAS..and it was obvious Uhuru was winning by 52-54% and Raila was losing by 45-47%. Kenyan elections are not rocket science. It pure tribal arithmetic. You can guess to the dot how 70% of kenyans will vote..99% of Luos, Kikuyus,Merus, Embus, Kalenjin and 80% of say Kambas, Luhyas and Mijikenda.
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=4710.0
Thankfully the will of the people was upheld later when same SCORK ignored their inane arguments in SCORK 2017 2.
Just like nobody has impugned the results - to this date - nobody has been able to show how a Raila win was probable. Not even the cooked NASA results that was announced with fanfare.
8.8.2017 election were NOT rigged and I expect the IEBC staffers to hold their head high and continue with their job. Mr Chiloba deserve a gold medal. After losing an election and not impugning the results..months later they started the chorus of "open the server" - like the server was some magic box with Raila win.
What processes? Have you read the ruling on August 8th elections?
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Here is MOASS 2017 that I drew in my laptop - and that reflect what Chebukati announced.MOAS PREDICTS UHURU WIN OF 53% AGAINST NASA 46%. I guess I was also rigging. Try passing some nonsense in say Jaluo.com or those kinds of sites.
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=4710.0
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We really don't need to loop thro it again and again. The election held on 8.8.2018 reflected the will of the people so much Raila knew it and had to boycott the repeat. The elections was water-tight - there were several layers of verification..at every polling station...but SCORK made a stupid ruling. If you didn't like what people witnessed during counting..there was a paper copy placed on every polling station door..there was key-in data transmitted by KIEMS and digital trail that ends in every const tallying center...HQ tallying center..and the main servers in frances..there was a scanned copy...there were ftp-ed copies---there were ballot papers on the box with sealed..there was the media..there were observers...and even some observers did a sceintific random sampling - stayed thro the whole processes - collated their results - and it came to the dot near IEBC results .
(https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/saturday/tcbpalmhctmtmn598ef7630199f.jpg)
If even before election were held - some of us did MOAS - and we predicted to the dot - the same results. Prof from Ireland did his MOAS..and it was obvious Uhuru was winning by 52-54% and Raila was losing by 45-47%. Kenyan elections are not rocket science. It pure tribal arithmetic. You can guess to the dot how 70% of kenyans will vote..99% of Luos, Kikuyus,Merus, Embus, Kalenjin and 80% of say Kambas, Luhyas and Mijikenda.
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=4710.0
Thankfully the will of the people was upheld later when same SCORK ignored their inane arguments in SCORK 2017 2.
Just like nobody has impugned the results - to this date - nobody has been able to show how a Raila win was probable. Not even the cooked NASA results that was announced with fanfare.
8.8.2017 election were NOT rigged and I expect the IEBC staffers to hold their head high and continue with their job. Mr Chiloba deserve a gold medal. After losing an election and not impugning the results..months later they started the chorus of "open the server" - like the server was some magic box with Raila win.
What processes? Have you read the ruling on August 8th elections?
You have yet to read it. But you expect me to go through this crap?
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I am with Pundit on 8.8.2017... but the outcome of 2017 is irrelevant to 2022 politics. This is a Trojan. The handshake makes fighting Raila quite hard because you cannot use water canons and all camps are claiming to unite Kenyans. Sonko's anti-GEMA utterances show the emerging internal strife... and this is shaping up as the battle royale between Ruto and Raila: Kenya's absolute finest.
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I am with Pundit on 8.8.2017...
Except it has been debunked. As many times as it is repeated, it will be challenged. A Kenyan court realized they couldn't just sanitize it. That is how bad it was. IEBC actions, during and after only throw more water on the so called MOAS. It cannot just be wished to reality against documented facts.
but the outcome of 2017 is irrelevant to 2022 politics. This is a Trojan. The handshake makes fighting Raila quite hard because you cannot use water canons and all camps are claiming to unite Kenyans. Sonko's anti-GEMA utterances show the emerging internal strife... and this is shaping up as the battle royale between Ruto and Raila: Kenya's absolute finest.
I agree 2017 is behind us, whether we acknowledge the facts or not. Baba effectively closed that chapter by throwing in the towel for a comfortable life which was briefly interrupted last night. I think he is going to stay the course, and that throws 2022 wide open. Despite what Pundit claims, he has an upper hand in Western and coast if he runs. It looks like he will run. I saw him on youtube running after Miguna. Raila is fixing to run until he is 150. I think he has probably lost ukambani. GEMA grumblings and night meetings will be a loud chorus in a year or so.
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Raila is looking for money and patronoage to hold onto Coast+western. He aint getting any. Ruto will take COAST - that is already apparent. Raila last man standing there is Joho - the rest have bailed out - including Kingi and Asian billionaires who backed him. As for western --mmh I don't see how he can survive the assault by MaDVD+Wetangula - that leave him scrambling for few votes in Busia and parts of Kakamega - and maybe Iteso - now with Oparanya and Ojamong set to not ran again - they are not going to be Raila poddles - and are looking into making the deal.
I agree 2017 is behind us, whether we acknowledge the facts or not. Baba effectively closed that chapter by throwing in the towel for a comfortable life which was briefly interrupted last night. I think he is going to stay the course, and that throws 2022 wide open. Despite what Pundit claims, he has an upper hand in Western and coast if he runs. It looks like he will run. I saw him on youtube running after Miguna. Raila is fixing to run until he is 150. I think he has probably lost ukambani. GEMA grumblings and night meetings will be a loud chorus in a year or so.
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Raila will have to support Ruto or he'll get kicked out of the coalition. Uhuru after honey-moon will make that very clear.
I am with Pundit on 8.8.2017... but the outcome of 2017 is irrelevant to 2022 politics. This is a Trojan. The handshake makes fighting Raila quite hard because you cannot use water canons and all camps are claiming to unite Kenyans. Sonko's anti-GEMA utterances show the emerging internal strife... and this is shaping up as the battle royale between Ruto and Raila: Kenya's absolute finest.