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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on March 20, 2018, 10:40:54 AM

Title: If they nails this - Land information systems - then we can unlock investments
Post by: RV Pundit on March 20, 2018, 10:40:54 AM
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Easier-times-ahead-for-land-buyers/1056-4348946-dpdo5g/index.html

In the new system, one will need to create an eCitizen account, where one will enter the land parcel number and the results will be instantaneous.

If you are searching someone else’s land, that person will automatically get a short text message alert that their land has been searched online.

With this, Dr Muraguri estimates, the ministry will do away with over 80 per cent of traffic at the registries.

Besides land searches, other services that will be available online are transfer of ownership or lease, issuance of consent and valuation requests.

Users will also be able to pay land rents and be issued with clearance certificates online, make all other payments including stamp duty, registration fees, and consent fees electronically and receive digital receipts and notifications of payments.
Title: Re: If they nails this - Land information systems - then we can unlock investments
Post by: gout on March 20, 2018, 02:21:25 PM
Most of the services at e-citizen even simple as a birth certificate are not possible to actualize fully online; this will be a miracle. Listened to Muraguri and he did not indicate how they will liaise with Sonko given most of the land in Nairobi is under County. 
Title: Re: If they nails this - Land information systems - then we can unlock investments
Post by: Georgesoros on March 21, 2018, 09:25:07 PM
Until someone comes up with a way to beat the system, and they are not even investigated, or anything.
Title: Re: If they nails this - Land information systems - then we can unlock investments
Post by: bryan275 on March 22, 2018, 12:51:44 PM
These systems will just make it easier for the land cartels to search for more land to steal....
Title: Re: If they nails this - Land information systems - then we can unlock investments
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 22, 2018, 02:47:51 PM
These systems will just make it easier for the land cartels to search for more land to steal....

:lolz: IFMIS, KIEMS kit come to mind.  There is no technologizing away corruption.  It’s long overdue, but not as a solution to corruption.
Title: Re: If they nails this - Land information systems - then we can unlock investments
Post by: Nefertiti on March 22, 2018, 06:16:27 PM
Hehe bitmask and bryan. Someone noted corruption is the biggest sector - way ahead of agriculture, construction, etc. There are massive undeclared revenues, jobs, taxes, etc. If you were to rebase properly the gdp would triple.
Title: Re: If they nails this - Land information systems - then we can unlock investments
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on March 22, 2018, 07:16:17 PM
Hehe bitmask and bryan. Someone noted corruption is the biggest sector - way ahead of agriculture, construction, etc. There are massive undeclared revenues, jobs, taxes, etc. If you were to rebase properly the gdp would triple.

Yep.  It might even be responsible for the Uhuru-Raila detente. The Jimmy Wanjigis and their gilded lifestyles cannot survive on grass.

Funny, that at one time I too thought corruption could be slayed with technology.  In reality, it just opens up new avenues and gatekeepers of the vice.
Title: Re: If they nails this - Land information systems - then we can unlock investments
Post by: Georgesoros on March 22, 2018, 07:42:12 PM
In Kenya, law enforcement is for the poor. They are harassed, shot at and even killed. The well off have a jail free card. Tech will not prevent corruption, they figure out how to go around it - Waiguru did and was never charged!!. If she were in TZ she wouldn't get away with it.
Title: Re: If they nails this - Land information systems - then we can unlock investments
Post by: Nefertiti on March 22, 2018, 09:56:02 PM
In Kenya, law enforcement is for the poor. They are harassed, shot at and even killed. The well off have a jail free card. Tech will not prevent corruption, they figure out how to go around it - Waiguru did and was never charged!!. If she were in TZ she wouldn't get away with it.

Strawman, see the light! Corruption is responsible for billion-dollar revenues, jobs, supply chains, and whatnot. It's our most innovative industry.
Title: Re: If they nails this - Land information systems - then we can unlock investments
Post by: vooke on March 23, 2018, 01:33:01 PM
Hehe bitmask and bryan. Someone noted corruption is the biggest sector - way ahead of agriculture, construction, etc. There are massive undeclared revenues, jobs, taxes, etc. If you were to rebase properly the gdp would triple.
You can say that again. Imagine two cops collecting 37M in just 7 months. Translates into 176K per day. Of course not all of it is their as they have quotas but you get the point.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Shock-of-police-cartel-minting-Sh37-million-through-M-Pesa-/1056-4231536-om5vjyz/index.html
Title: Re: If they nails this - Land information systems - then we can unlock investments
Post by: Georgesoros on March 23, 2018, 10:08:18 PM
Hehe bitmask and bryan. Someone noted corruption is the biggest sector - way ahead of agriculture, construction, etc. There are massive undeclared revenues, jobs, taxes, etc. If you were to rebase properly the gdp would triple.
You can say that again. Imagine two cops collecting 37M in just 7 months. Translates into 176K per day. Of course not all of it is their as they have quotas but you get the point.
https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Shock-of-police-cartel-minting-Sh37-million-through-M-Pesa-/1056-4231536-om5vjyz/index.html

How do you convince the public to support conviction of these guys while Waigurus of Kenya go free? Not even a serious investigation?