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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Ole on February 07, 2018, 04:12:09 AM
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He was reportedly put on a Canadian flight yesterday at 10 pm. Is it legal to chase away a kenyan citizen?
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I would not dignify it by calling it deportation-that's when you are sent back to your country. This is forcibly sending a natural born citizen into exile. Of course its illegal but we are dealing with an illegally constituted government by murderers and thieves. Those who doubted our assertions that they stole the elections can now see for themselves. Miguna will make a triumphant return to Kenya in the near future. He does not have to restore his citizenship because by natural law, one cannot use his/her natural citizenship regardless of what the law says.
He was reportedly put on a Canadian flight yesterday at 10 pm. Is it legal to chase away a kenyan citizen?
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Sounds like a hoax probably to embarass one. Jubilee is not this stupid. Too incredulous.
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Circumcision is over rated, I thought Boinets, Cheruyoits, Sang and ICC criminals have undergone the cut. Well Miguna just proved he is Alpha male in that shithole formerly known as kenya.
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patel are you sure the man is really gone? He said in that poor quality court video the police are good in playing decoys for media to follow while he was shipped off through the back door.
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Robina,
Miguna is in Amsterdam on his way to Toronto. He has been forcefully been exiled. I expect violent protest in parts of nyanza and nairobi today.
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I thought after 2010 constitution - dual citizenship was allowed. I think this dumb-arse move from Jubilee.Miguna Miguna will make a triumph entry if he appeals this "deportation".
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Yep, that looks like MM.
(http://nairobiwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/miguna1.jpg)
http://nairobiwire.com/2018/02/moses-kuria-letter-warning-raila-odinga-miguna-miguna-illegal-dual-citizenship.html
Technically MM can't be charged for treason since he's not a Kenyan citizen. If he was a Kenyan citizen they would've killed him. Possibly considered a terrorist if he commited something like an assassination attempt on a public figure but he didn't. MM should thank his lucky stars.
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Okay seem if Miguna never re-applied for his citizenship then he is a foreigner :)
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All is not lost though. I imagine MM to go Steve Bannon and leverage on fake power. MM ought to round up his online minions while things are hot and bask in President Raila's achievements ie. re-write Wikipedia, thousands of favourable articles on President Raila's visits to etc. his policy moves etc. Kenya's such a minor country if his minions can churn out article after article on President Raila, photo op with famous politicians, celebs... tweak the captions etc. etc. in a couple years time Raila's presidency should be the norm. Jubilee have been churning out bogus and confusion for years. ..
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Wapende wasipende Miguna will soon be back in his motherland. No regime in Kenya has ever been able to exile its own citizen forever. Jubilee should learn from history and see that Raila has them exactly where he wanted them to be in the first place. Noone is now talking of the economic tasks facing the country currently. Focus is now on siasa and that is what Raila knows best.
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Next election is on 2022..SIASA fanya lakini as you speak Duale is processing cabinet ministers and Ambassadors. When you're done with siasa...wake up to find rest of gov positions were shared....and next wake up to find Ruto the next PORK.
Raila has to find leverage...little he has...he continues to weaken. Now you guys are pleading against crackdown...na bado.
Wapende wasipende Miguna will soon be back in his motherland. No regime in Kenya has ever been able to exile its own citizen forever. Jubilee should learn from history and see that Raila has them exactly where he wanted them to be in the first place. Noone is now talking of the economic tasks facing the country currently. Focus is now on siasa and that is what Raila knows best.
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Sounds like a hoax probably to embarass one. Jubilee is not this stupid. Too incredulous.
Turns out Jubilee is extremely stupid.
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patel are you sure the man is really gone? He said in that poor quality court video the police are good in playing decoys for media to follow while he was shipped off through the back door.
Quite. The thin skinned Jubilee choir girls and cry babies are a good example. Hata Nyakundi can't have them in his movement.
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2022 will come and go but it will not be the 2022 you have always envisioned. First and foremost, NASA will not participate in any election until the irreducible minimums are met and more. You can therefore take your MOAS and shove it down your you know what. 2nd Miguna was illegally forcibly removed from Kenya because the cowards ran out places to hold him-too hot to handle. One cannot renounce his/natural citizenship by the operation of law and that is why Miguna never bothered to reapply for his citizenship and so are many Kenyans who acquired citizenship of other countries. Most of us believe that this was a bad law and now that Matiangi has brought it to fore, the matter will be litigated all the way to the Supreme court if necessary so that this silly idea that one has to reapply for his birth citizenship is settled ones and for all. All one needs is to prove that he/she was born in Kenya and then- mambo Kwisha.
Next election is on 2022..SIASA fanya lakini as you speak Duale is processing cabinet ministers and Ambassadors. When you're done with siasa...wake up to find rest of gov positions were shared....and next wake up to find Ruto the next PORK.
Raila has to find leverage...little he has...he continues to weaken. Now you guys are pleading against crackdown...na bado.
Wapende wasipende Miguna will soon be back in his motherland. No regime in Kenya has ever been able to exile its own citizen forever. Jubilee should learn from history and see that Raila has them exactly where he wanted them to be in the first place. Noone is now talking of the economic tasks facing the country currently. Focus is now on siasa and that is what Raila knows best.
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2022 will come and go but it will not be the 2022 you have always envisioned. First and foremost, NASA will not participate in any election until the irreducible minimums are met and more. You can therefore take your MOAS and shove it down your you know what. 2nd Miguna was illegally forcibly removed from Kenya because the cowards ran out places to hold him-too hot to handle. One cannot renounce his/natural citizenship by the operation of law and that is why Miguna never bothered to reapply for his citizenship and so are many Kenyans who acquired citizenship of other countries. Most of us believe that this was a bad law and now that Matiangi has brought it to fore, the matter will be litigated all the way to the Supreme court if necessary so that this silly idea that one has to reapply for his birth citizenship is settled ones and for all. All one needs is to prove that he/she was born in Kenya and then- mambo Kwisha.
Next election is on 2022..SIASA fanya lakini as you speak Duale is processing cabinet ministers and Ambassadors. When you're done with siasa...wake up to find rest of gov positions were shared....and next wake up to find Ruto the next PORK.
Raila has to find leverage...little he has...he continues to weaken. Now you guys are pleading against crackdown...na bado.
Wapende wasipende Miguna will soon be back in his motherland. No regime in Kenya has ever been able to exile its own citizen forever. Jubilee should learn from history and see that Raila has them exactly where he wanted them to be in the first place. Noone is now talking of the economic tasks facing the country currently. Focus is now on siasa and that is what Raila knows best.
Naswa always vows to play hard ball next time.
Try some.other line
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So, a govt can declare you a non Kenyan and deport you against court orders?
What next?
Are we watching Kenyan Trump?
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And we have. We vowed that this is the last elections Ouruto will steal and it is. The problem with folks like you is that you think reforms are done overnight. This one will take a shorter time than the 2nd revolution because back then, the leaders had to start from scratch. We have achieved a lot since 8/8 if you are being objective and this idiots are giving us more and more everyday. The truth and time is on our side. Take for example the illegal abduction, detention and forcible removal of Miguna from Kenya. This is a bonanza for us. The judiciary is now fully engaged, the international community is now fully engaged and our supporters are fired up as I have never experienced, and Miguna is now free to say anything he wants in the international media which will get into the Kenyan living rooms and cell phones almost instantly. Every major news agency is scrambling to interview Miguna. The illegal order by Matiangi will be overturned and Miguna will come back to Kenya a bigger hero than he left. The political resume that Miguna has acquired within the last few days is the envy of any politician. Ouru is done, he is a lame duck president and a confused drunk who have given up on the idea of ever having achieved anything other than that he was a president. Bure Kabisa.
2022 will come and go but it will not be the 2022 you have always envisioned. First and foremost, NASA will not participate in any election until the irreducible minimums are met and more. You can therefore take your MOAS and shove it down your you know what. 2nd Miguna was illegally forcibly removed from Kenya because the cowards ran out places to hold him-too hot to handle. One cannot renounce his/natural citizenship by the operation of law and that is why Miguna never bothered to reapply for his citizenship and so are many Kenyans who acquired citizenship of other countries. Most of us believe that this was a bad law and now that Matiangi has brought it to fore, the matter will be litigated all the way to the Supreme court if necessary so that this silly idea that one has to reapply for his birth citizenship is settled ones and for all. All one needs is to prove that he/she was born in Kenya and then- mambo Kwisha.
Next election is on 2022..SIASA fanya lakini as you speak Duale is processing cabinet ministers and Ambassadors. When you're done with siasa...wake up to find rest of gov positions were shared....and next wake up to find Ruto the next PORK.
Raila has to find leverage...little he has...he continues to weaken. Now you guys are pleading against crackdown...na bado.
Wapende wasipende Miguna will soon be back in his motherland. No regime in Kenya has ever been able to exile its own citizen forever. Jubilee should learn from history and see that Raila has them exactly where he wanted them to be in the first place. Noone is now talking of the economic tasks facing the country currently. Focus is now on siasa and that is what Raila knows best.
Naswa always vows to play hard ball next time.
Try some.other line
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The court must now send a clear message to these despots. Judge Kimaru must order the government to 1) revoke it’s illegal deportation order and return Miguna to Kenya at its own cost- unless Miguna declines. 2) compensate Miguna immediately for the repairs of damages made to his house by the rogue police who illegally detained him and forcibly removed him from his country of birth illegally. 3) impose a fine of ksh. 2 million a day until the government comply with these orders beginning 7 days from today of which Ksh 1 million to Miguna and ksh 1 million to the victims of police brutality. The court must now stop issuing empty statements and orders that are easy to ignore but realize that they are dealing with thugs. The orders from now henceforth must bite if the court want to regain its constitutional position as an equal branch of this government. Maraga's statements have set the tone and the judges need to be bold.
So, a govt can declare you a non Kenyan and deport you against court orders?
What next?
Are we watching Kenyan Trump?
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The court must now send a clear message to these despots. Judge Kimaru must order the government to 1) revoke it’s illegal deportation order and return Miguna to Kenya at its own cost- unless Miguna declines. 2) compensate Miguna immediately for the repairs of damages made to his house by the rogue police who illegally detained him and forcibly removed him from his country of birth illegally. 3) impose a fine of ksh. 2 million a day until the government comply with these orders beginning 7 days from today of which Ksh 1 million to Miguna and ksh 1 million to the victims of police brutality. The court must now stop issuing empty statements and orders that are easy to ignore but realize that they are dealing with thugs. The orders from now henceforth must bite if the court want to regain its constitutional position as an equal branch of this government. Maraga's statements have set the tone and the judges need to be bold.
So, a govt can declare you a non Kenyan and deport you against court orders?
What next?
Are we watching Kenyan Trump?
Courts can rule all they want but if the executive doesn't obey what will the courts do?
NOTHING!!!
The only thing the court can do is fine the executive and let the fines keep piling till they are out of power. Then enforce the fines.
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Courts can rule all they want but if the executive doesn't obey what will the courts do?
NOTHING!!!
The only thing the court can do is fine the executive and let the fines keep piling till they are out of power. Then enforce the fines.
Even when they are out of office you can only enforce against the offices and GoK, not the persons. There are a few such rulings on Moi.
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Courts can rule all they want but if the executive doesn't obey what will the courts do?
NOTHING!!!
The only thing the court can do is fine the executive and let the fines keep piling till they are out of power. Then enforce the fines.
Even when they are out of office you can only enforce against the offices and GoK, not the persons. There are a few such rulings on Moi.
Am not a lawyer but I know that intentionally disobeying a law makes you personally liable and subject to monetary damages. Its a lifetime legal issue that can follow your estate. Matiangi is in big legal trouble for the rest of his life. I can sue in another country and have it sealed, and if you step in that country you'll be subject to detention.
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Courts can rule all they want but if the executive doesn't obey what will the courts do?
NOTHING!!!
The only thing the court can do is fine the executive and let the fines keep piling till they are out of power. Then enforce the fines.
Even when they are out of office you can only enforce against the offices and GoK, not the persons. There are a few such rulings on Moi.
Am not a lawyer but I know that intentionally disobeying a law makes you personally liable and subject to monetary damages. Its a lifetime legal issue that can follow your estate. Matiangi is in big legal trouble for the rest of his life. I can sue in another country and have it sealed, and if you step in that country you'll be subject to detention.
You should refer to the multiple cases against Moi under the 2010 constitution and see. The victims of state excesses seek personal criminal liability and are told he acted as the head of state. So the financial penalty is on GoK. Matiba, et al I think have been paid by state for torture and detention. Not by Moi. I will google it for you.
Actually if you think of it, these officials act for "national security" and such buzz words. They have some personal immunity just like judicial officers.
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Courts can rule all they want but if the executive doesn't obey what will the courts do?
NOTHING!!!
The only thing the court can do is fine the executive and let the fines keep piling till they are out of power. Then enforce the fines.
Even when they are out of office you can only enforce against the offices and GoK, not the persons. There are a few such rulings on Moi.
Am not a lawyer but I know that intentionally disobeying a law makes you personally liable and subject to monetary damages. Its a lifetime legal issue that can follow your estate. Matiangi is in big legal trouble for the rest of his life. I can sue in another country and have it sealed, and if you step in that country you'll be subject to detention.
You should refer to the multiple cases against Moi under the 2010 constitution and see. The victims of state excesses seek personal criminal liability and are told he acted as the head of state. So the financial penalty is on GoK. Matiba, et al I think have been paid by state for torture and detention. Not by Moi. I will google it for you.
Actually if you think of it, these officials act for "national security" and such buzz words. They have some personal immunity just like judicial officers.
Robina, these matters are complicated and it depends on the facts of each case. If it is held that one acted maliciously in discharging their duties as a public official or a government employee, one can be found personally liable. Times are changing and I would not take comfort of what happened during the Moi era.
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14(5)
(5) A person who is a Kenyan citizen by birth and who, on the effective date, has ceased to be a Kenyan citizen because the person acquired citizenship of another country, is entitled on application to regain Kenyan citizenship.
And we have. We vowed that this is the last elections Ouruto will steal and it is. The problem with folks like you is that you think reforms are done overnight. This one will take a shorter time than the 2nd revolution because back then, the leaders had to start from scratch. We have achieved a lot since 8/8 if you are being objective and this idiots are giving us more and more everyday. The truth and time is on our side. Take for example the illegal abduction, detention and forcible removal of Miguna from Kenya. This is a bonanza for us. The judiciary is now fully engaged, the international community is now fully engaged and our supporters are fired up as I have never experienced, and Miguna is now free to say anything he wants in the international media which will get into the Kenyan living rooms and cell phones almost instantly. Every major news agency is scrambling to interview Miguna. The illegal order by Matiangi will be overturned and Miguna will come back to Kenya a bigger hero than he left. The political resume that Miguna has acquired within the last few days is the envy of any politician. Ouru is done, he is a lame duck president and a confused drunk who have given up on the idea of ever having achieved anything other than that he was a president. Bure Kabisa.
2022 will come and go but it will not be the 2022 you have always envisioned. First and foremost, NASA will not participate in any election until the irreducible minimums are met and more. You can therefore take your MOAS and shove it down your you know what. 2nd Miguna was illegally forcibly removed from Kenya because the cowards ran out places to hold him-too hot to handle. One cannot renounce his/natural citizenship by the operation of law and that is why Miguna never bothered to reapply for his citizenship and so are many Kenyans who acquired citizenship of other countries. Most of us believe that this was a bad law and now that Matiangi has brought it to fore, the matter will be litigated all the way to the Supreme court if necessary so that this silly idea that one has to reapply for his birth citizenship is settled ones and for all. All one needs is to prove that he/she was born in Kenya and then- mambo Kwisha.
Next election is on 2022..SIASA fanya lakini as you speak Duale is processing cabinet ministers and Ambassadors. When you're done with siasa...wake up to find rest of gov positions were shared....and next wake up to find Ruto the next PORK.
Raila has to find leverage...little he has...he continues to weaken. Now you guys are pleading against crackdown...na bado.
Wapende wasipende Miguna will soon be back in his motherland. No regime in Kenya has ever been able to exile its own citizen forever. Jubilee should learn from history and see that Raila has them exactly where he wanted them to be in the first place. Noone is now talking of the economic tasks facing the country currently. Focus is now on siasa and that is what Raila knows best.
Naswa always vows to play hard ball next time.
Try some.other line
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Thinking about this Miguna issue abit more it lookd like the sod may actually have a case. It is now known that he left Kenya in 1987 on a foreign passport after Moi the despot denied him one. It is fair to assume that at the time Miguna was accepting Canadian citizenship in 2002/2003 he wasn't Kenyan anyway thanks to Moi.
Seeing as his citizenship and passport were irregularly lost, would he still need to apply as required? Or is the onus on GoK to return/regularise his citizenship as a matter of course?
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There is no way Moi would have legally declared Miguna not Kenyan. See the case of Sheikh Khalid Balala who was denied entry into Kenya from Germany in the 90s. Today the man resides in Mombasa just like any other Kenyan. In the long run Miguna will be rehabilitated. He is a Kenyan by birth and no one can take that from him.
Thinking about this Miguna issue abit more it lookd like the sod may actually have a case. It is now known that he left Kenya in 1987 on a foreign passport after Moi the despot denied him one. It is fair to assume that at the time Miguna was accepting Canadian citizenship in 2002/2003 he wasn't Kenyan anyway thanks to Moi.
Seeing as his citizenship and passport were irregularly lost, would he still need to apply as required? Or is the onus on GoK to return/regularise his citizenship as a matter of course?