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Title: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on January 29, 2018, 06:29:17 PM
All I can do is count the tens of lives that will be wasted.

I go with 12
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Georgesoros on January 29, 2018, 07:04:38 PM
No need to be alarmed...
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on January 29, 2018, 10:00:33 PM
Its a loose/loose situation for Jubilee, but the best choice for them is to swallow their pride and let the inauguration go on.  I think that is the advice they are getting from the international community and mature people. If Ouru however decides to kill people then the situation will get out of hand and a lot of people will die and the destruction of property will be in billions. Raila will be sworn in one way or the other.  Detaining Raila also will not work.  This country changed on November 26, 2018, when more than half the voters refused to vote. The full significance of that refusal to vote has not been fully realized but it will continue to manifest itself.  Those who are in denial thinking that nothing has changed are in for a rude awakening.  Even the NASA principles including Raila did not fully appreciate the change that had occurred until they changed the swearing in day. Mudavadi  acknowledged in Homa-Bay that he tried to put the breaks on but the momentum was just to much. Those who live in a flood prone areas know that the water rises very slowly and very quickly all at the same time.

All I can do is count the tens of lives that will be wasted.

I go with 12
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on January 29, 2018, 10:01:20 PM
Its a loose/loose situation for Jubilee, but the best choice for them is to swallow their pride and let the inauguration go on.  I think that is the advice they are getting from the international community and mature people. If Ouru however decides to kill people then the situation will get out of hand and a lot of people will die and the destruction of property will be in billions. Raila will be sworn in one way or the other.  Detaining Raila also will not work.  This country changed on November 26, 2017, when more than half the voters refused to vote. The full significance of that refusal to vote has not been fully realized but it will continue to manifest itself.  Those who are in denial thinking that nothing has changed are in for a rude awakening.  Even the NASA principles including Raila did not fully appreciate the change that had occurred until they changed the swearing in day. Mudavadi  acknowledged in Homa-Bay that he tried to put the breaks on but the momentum was just too much. Those who live in a flood prone areas know that the water rises very slowly and very quickly all at the same time.

All I can do is count the tens of lives that will be wasted.

I go with 12
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on January 30, 2018, 12:00:18 PM
Turns out there's no much fanfare

Uhuru cordoned off Uhuru park the entire night only to withdraw them in the morning.

Seems like the idea was to scare supporters from flocking in in the wee hours.

Moment of reckoning is when Baba waltzs in
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: bryan275 on January 30, 2018, 01:48:23 PM
Looks like this countdown "is invalid, null and void".  The only dead fellas will be the suicidal jubilidiots.  Just watching a section of folks in Uasin Gishu where the shock of blank TV screens is shared throughout.  Some jubilidiots are sad that their govt has been seen to be weak for switching off the signal.

The electoral fraudsters are running scared.

Viva!
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 30, 2018, 01:56:16 PM
Interesting game that Uhuru is playing here. Let see if Raila is getting himself sworn.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: audacityofhope on January 30, 2018, 04:32:41 PM
Interesting game that Uhuru is playing here. Let see if Raila is getting himself sworn.
Did you see? If I posted a screen shot will it help?  :85:
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 30, 2018, 05:04:09 PM
Let see if he is president now :D. Miguna the People CJ just swore him :) and Kalonzo & others were MIA.
Did you see? If I posted a screen shot will it help?  :85:
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 30, 2018, 05:22:41 PM
What next?  Naming the cabinet with regional representation or does Kenya wait for Kalonzo swearing in first?
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 30, 2018, 05:24:06 PM
Raila has since changed his Twitter bio to President of the Republic of Kenya from the leader of NASA.
Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001267833/raila-odinga-sworn-in-as-kalonzo-misses-fete
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 30, 2018, 05:32:40 PM
Was Kalonzo and other principals physically prevented from attending?  My bet is on that.  The jubilant wanted to paint it as a Luo affair.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on January 30, 2018, 06:00:51 PM
Obviously that is the intent of the government because they thrive in divide and rule tribal politics.  That paradigm will not last for ever. They will not succeed in trying to isolate the luo because the luo share a lot with other tribes in Kenya who are not in power.  I hope they were detained because if it turns out that they chickened out then I fear for their political future.

Was Kalonzo and other principals physically prevented from attending?  My bet is on that.  The jubilant wanted to paint it as a Luo affair.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on January 30, 2018, 06:42:59 PM
Most likely Kalonzo the coward chickened out - which was smothered with fat offers. After Eugene's promotion to Devolution CS I wonder what's in it for Weta. So much for unity.

Obviously that is the intent of the government because they thrive in divide and rule tribal politics.  That paradigm will not last for ever. They will not succeed in trying to isolate the luo because the luo share a lot with other tribes in Kenya who are not in power.  I hope they were detained because if it turns out that they chickened out then I fear for their political future.

Was Kalonzo and other principals physically prevented from attending?  My bet is on that.  The jubilant wanted to paint it as a Luo affair.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on January 30, 2018, 07:25:45 PM
It was a Luo ODM affair. The face of the nation was at the JKIA. Saw the Jubilee crew - Ruto, Matiang'i, Duale, Sonko - in crisp suits like in the matrix.

Was Kalonzo and other principals physically prevented from attending?  My bet is on that.  The jubilant wanted to paint it as a Luo affair.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: patel on January 30, 2018, 08:31:51 PM
They said this day will never come, it came
They said Raila will never be sworn in, He was sworn in

For the first time in the history of Kenya we have people president, duly elected by the people and sworn in by the people and as long as Raila has the people he is good to go or else is academic.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on January 30, 2018, 09:48:36 PM
Was Kalonzo and other principals physically prevented from attending?  My bet is on that.  The jubilant wanted to paint it as a Luo affair.
They physicsally prevented themselves
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 30, 2018, 10:05:41 PM
NRM now a proscribed movement. Miguna Miguna might want to ran back to exile before the police crackdown begins.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Dear Mami on January 30, 2018, 10:38:22 PM
The best thing Uhuru can do if he wants this contained is to ignore Raila and mock and laugh off the swearing in. If he starts a crackdown he will be the one igniting the beginnings of an actual resistance. I hope he's not taking advice from that hot headed idiot Matiangi.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 30, 2018, 10:57:00 PM
Unless Raila and his goons will interpret that for weakness. I think at some point Uhuru has to draw the red line, nip this in the bud and restore law & order. This left on it's own could embolden more nut cases.
The best thing Uhuru can do if he wants this contained is to ignore Raila and mock and laugh off the swearing in. If he starts a crackdown he will be the one igniting the beginnings of an actual resistance. I hope he's not taking advice from that hot headed idiot Matiangi.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on January 31, 2018, 12:15:55 AM
The police crackdowns will never stop this kind of movement.  Miguna is just one person, there are more Miguna's. Ruto will not rule Kenya by force ma brada.

NRM now a proscribed movement. Miguna Miguna might want to ran back to exile before the police crackdown begins.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on January 31, 2018, 12:20:47 AM
I am sure you are an expert in switcherus. One day we woke up and you had crossed over to Pundit.

Most likely Kalonzo the coward chickened out - which was smothered with fat offers. After Eugene's promotion to Devolution CS I wonder what's in it for Weta. So much for unity.

Obviously that is the intent of the government because they thrive in divide and rule tribal politics.  That paradigm will not last for ever. They will not succeed in trying to isolate the luo because the luo share a lot with other tribes in Kenya who are not in power.  I hope they were detained because if it turns out that they chickened out then I fear for their political future.

Was Kalonzo and other principals physically prevented from attending?  My bet is on that.  The jubilant wanted to paint it as a Luo affair.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on January 31, 2018, 12:23:42 AM
Ouru is already unredeemable total failure. He inherited a united country and divided it irreparably. That one before you even talk about the corruption, tribalism and economy.

Unless Raila and his goons will interpret that for weakness. I think at some point Uhuru has to draw the red line, nip this in the bud and restore law & order. This left on it's own could embolden more nut cases.
The best thing Uhuru can do if he wants this contained is to ignore Raila and mock and laugh off the swearing in. If he starts a crackdown he will be the one igniting the beginnings of an actual resistance. I hope he's not taking advice from that hot headed idiot Matiangi.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 31, 2018, 02:39:54 AM
NRM now a proscribed movement. Miguna Miguna might want to ran back to exile before the police crackdown begins.

That is declaring more than half the country criminals.  Matiang'i is truly retarded.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 31, 2018, 02:46:31 AM
Ouru is already unredeemable total failure. He inherited a united country and divided it irreparably. That one before you even talk about the corruption, tribalism and economy.

Unless Raila and his goons will interpret that for weakness. I think at some point Uhuru has to draw the red line, nip this in the bud and restore law & order. This left on it's own could embolden more nut cases.
The best thing Uhuru can do if he wants this contained is to ignore Raila and mock and laugh off the swearing in. If he starts a crackdown he will be the one igniting the beginnings of an actual resistance. I hope he's not taking advice from that hot headed idiot Matiangi.

He is already seen as weak.  And yes, this swearing in will definitely not help in that respect.  He did not come out of last year's election(s) with legitimacy.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on January 31, 2018, 07:08:05 AM
Do tell us what happened. Is the absence of the other principals strategy or division?

I am sure you are an expert in switcherus. One day we woke up and you had crossed over to Pundit.

Most likely Kalonzo the coward chickened out - which was smothered with fat offers. After Eugene's promotion to Devolution CS I wonder what's in it for Weta. So much for unity.

Obviously that is the intent of the government because they thrive in divide and rule tribal politics.  That paradigm will not last for ever. They will not succeed in trying to isolate the luo because the luo share a lot with other tribes in Kenya who are not in power.  I hope they were detained because if it turns out that they chickened out then I fear for their political future.

Was Kalonzo and other principals physically prevented from attending?  My bet is on that.  The jubilant wanted to paint it as a Luo affair.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: patel on January 31, 2018, 07:56:53 AM
70% to be exact....it's clear moving forward Jubilee has resigned to police and military protection. They have too much faith on 100K personnel. 
NRM now a proscribed movement. Miguna Miguna might want to ran back to exile before the police crackdown begins.

That is declaring more than half the country criminals.  Matiang'i is truly retarded.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Dear Mami on January 31, 2018, 08:47:06 AM
Is this why Kalonzo was MIA, or is it fake news?
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/01/31/gunmen-attack-kalonzos-karen-residence-hurl-grenade_c1706512
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on January 31, 2018, 11:04:00 AM
Is this why Kalonzo was MIA, or is it fake news?
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/01/31/gunmen-attack-kalonzos-karen-residence-hurl-grenade_c1706512
He left his house in the morning and answered a few questions.
The attack happened well after.

While Kaloser no-show is getting undue airtime, I think it is instructive to remember that the other two page boys were equally missing.

Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on January 31, 2018, 11:05:16 AM
The police crackdowns will never stop this kind of movement.  Miguna is just one person, there are more Miguna's. Ruto will not rule Kenya by force ma brada.

NRM now a proscribed movement. Miguna Miguna might want to ran back to exile before the police crackdown begins.

This is a Luo bid to get Baba to power. Long after Baba is gone they will still be trying to get another of their own
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Dear Mami on January 31, 2018, 11:39:23 AM
Well, Joho aint no Luo. Anyway, Madvd n the other soft Kanu boys stopped the first swearing in in Dec: that is at least clear. They went to presser n RAO was a no show. Yesterday he went ahead and they were a no show. I think Joho, Magaya and even, I hate to say it, Miguna, are the benefeciaries of Raila's clout should he no longer be a factor. People supporting him will not follow any of the principals after this. They'll follow Joho.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 31, 2018, 11:45:51 AM
If they don't end up in prison or wind up dead that is - I think MaDVD and Kanu soft boys knows what Gov hard power can do  to people. They've been there and know that. Engaging in treasonous activities is not a joke...last time Raila ended up 9yrs in Kamiti. This time coz of old age & politics they may use other means to drive the point home but for Miguna, Ndii & Joho - they won't get the free pass.
Madvd n the other soft Kanu boys stopped the first swearing in: that is at least clear. They went to presser n RAO was a no show. Yesterday he went ahead and they were a no show. I think Joho, Magaya and even, I hate to say it, Miguna, are the benefeciaries of Raila's clout should he no longer be a factor. People supporting him will not follow any of the principals after this. They'll follow Joho.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on January 31, 2018, 12:46:45 PM
The likes of Oparanya, Nanok, Godhana, Ongwae were a no-show. I think only Joho was a non-Luo of substance at the ceremony. ODM bigwigs who don't need Raila for survival skipped. This is how it was a Luo affair.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on January 31, 2018, 04:01:17 PM
Uhuru hapendi ujinga.

He is so far from the average African dictator that he can afford to blow some goodwill and still remain on top

(https://s10.postimg.org/6q96pcv9l/65910_F5_B-_A7_CD-4_E47-910_B-_F59901_AD54_D4.jpg)
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 31, 2018, 05:15:21 PM
Uhuru hapendi ujinga.

He is so far from the average African dictator that he can afford to blow some goodwill and still remain on top

(https://s10.postimg.org/6q96pcv9l/65910_F5_B-_A7_CD-4_E47-910_B-_F59901_AD54_D4.jpg)

That's his narrative.  Everyone has one.  The key is whoever makes theirs stick.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 31, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
Kajwang the make-shift CJ who swore Raila has just been arrested. Let see if they will push for treason. I would love to see Raila in jail soon. His impunity has to be nipped in the bud.
https://citizentv.co.ke/
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on January 31, 2018, 05:23:32 PM
That is how they mint leaders.  Lets have a treason trial, it will be a must watch Tv-unless of course they switch the TV's off during trial.  Let us see how many folks ourutu can hang on trumped up charges. 

Kajwang the make-shift CJ who swore Raila has just been arrested. Let see if they will push for treason. I would love to see Raila in jail soon. His impunity has to be nipped in the bud.
https://citizentv.co.ke/
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 31, 2018, 05:27:13 PM
Why not. UhuRuto went through ICCs and it about time these guys got a taste of 'egregious' charges....and see what mantle they are made of. UhuRuto became pork out of ICC. Maybe Kajwang & Miguna will inherit Raila kingdom..but first they have to go through PAIN...of attempting to overthrow a LEGITIMATELY elected GOK.

This is a triple whammy. Boycott election. Attempt a failed coup. Possibly end up in Jail for it. LESSON - THREATEN BUT DONT DO IT. THREATEN to boycott election but don't do it. Threaten to swear but don't do it. Doing it is FOOLHARDY in many levels except a five minute high you guys got :) :). Now whose is the PORK - Raila lasted about half a day as twitter president :). Ochuka lasted about the same time :D :D as the People President.

I expect the likes of Miguna to be held for 14 days as investigation continues  :D  :D to unearth the coup plotters.

That is how they mint leaders.  Lets have a treason trial, it will be a must watch Tv-unless of course they switch the TV's off during trial.  Let us see how many folks ourutu can hang on trumped up charges. 
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 31, 2018, 05:32:39 PM
I am told Miguna Miguna has fled to exile :) as police are on hot pursuit :). I am glad he took my advice and bailed out in time. I hope he goes to a country without extradition treaty with kenya :)
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 31, 2018, 05:33:16 PM
That is how they mint leaders.  Lets have a treason trial, it will be a must watch Tv-unless of course they switch the TV's off during trial.  Let us see how many folks ourutu can hang on trumped up charges. 

Kajwang the make-shift CJ who swore Raila has just been arrested. Let see if they will push for treason. I would love to see Raila in jail soon. His impunity has to be nipped in the bud.
https://citizentv.co.ke/ (https://citizentv.co.ke/)

They can't touch Raila.  That much is obvious.  But I agree criminalization just adds steam to the group.  The KANU era is not coming back without a fight.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 31, 2018, 05:35:47 PM
They don't have to arrest him. They will give him court summons. And he fails - warrant of arrest can be issued by court. In the meantime he lost gov privileges like security & cars. There is no fight. Yesterday only Luos stood there...as rest bolted. Kenyans have no balls to fight. Don't be deluded. This is not Arab world :). Bunch of cowards who will retreat so fast...Miguna Miguna will be LAST MAN STANDING.
They can't touch Raila.  That much is obvious.  But I agree criminalization just adds steam to the group.  The KANU era is not coming back without a fight.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 31, 2018, 05:36:54 PM
They don't have to arrest him. They will give him court summons. And he fails - warrant of arrest can be issued by court. In the meantime he lost gov privileges like security & cars. There is no fight. Yesterday only Luos stood there...as rest bolted. Kenyans have no balls to fight. Don't be deluded. This is not Arab world :) . Bunch of cowards who will retreat so fast...Miguna Miguna will be LAST MAN STANDING.
They can't touch Raila.  That much is obvious.  But I agree criminalization just adds steam to the group.  The KANU era is not coming back without a fight.

Luos only or not, they have thrown down the gauntlet.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 31, 2018, 05:40:48 PM
They don't have the gauntlet. Or you think that is just mudomo mingi. At least Kalenjin or Kikuyus would probably have acquired guns and gone for it. This is a big joke. The crackdown will crush them in a week time.

This is just like election boycott. Bad idea ab initio. You're in a bad situation but you make it even worse. Rational thing to do is stick with the bad deal.

Luos only or not, they have thrown down the gauntlet.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 31, 2018, 05:46:54 PM
They don't have the gauntlet. Or you think that is just mudomo mingi. At least Kalenjin or Kikuyus would probably have acquired guns and gone for it. This is a big joke. The crackdown will crush them in a week time.

This is just like election boycott. Bad idea ab initio. You're in a bad situation but you make it even worse. Rational thing to do is stick with the bad deal.

Luos only or not, they have thrown down the gauntlet.

How many times do people do what Raila did and go home and have a cup of tea without a worry?  He didn't need a single gun and yet he has the jubilant in panic mode.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 31, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
Raila has pretty much done all that his adult life - but where is the end game.Who is PORK? Who is next PORK? That is what matters. Jubilee have the instrument of powers and Raila has invited them to demonstrate that. I think TV blockade is one such demonstration, proscribing of nrm and crackdown. Now that is real power. Why would Jubilee panic - the guy who panicked is Miguna Miguna & friends who are now trying to flee the country. Where is Raila today? Tomorrow is he planning to tour say Kisumu as PORK:)

Raila has taken Luos through yoyo with so many moves without END GAME. He has no move to finish the game. He is all over the board and loses every time.

How many times do people do what Raila did and go home and have a cup of tea without a worry?  He didn't need a single gun and yet he has the jubilant in panic mode.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on January 31, 2018, 05:58:44 PM
 MLK and Malcolm X had a very interesting conversation. Malcolm X wanted to arm the blacks but MLK said No-we will win this battle without firing a shot. Unlike the blacks in the US, Nasa supporters are not a minority in Kenya.   Ouruto will definitely not crush this movement by arresting a few leaders here and there. The more they arrest the more the movement gets energized not the other way around as the jokers believe. No, we do not need guns at this time.  BTW, Guns are not that hard to get when the time is right. Its too early for that and we may not need it but there is a threshold for everything.

They don't have the gauntlet. Or you think that is just mudomo mingi. At least Kalenjin or Kikuyus would probably have acquired guns and gone for it. This is a big joke. The crackdown will crush them in a week time.

This is just like election boycott. Bad idea ab initio. You're in a bad situation but you make it even worse. Rational thing to do is stick with the bad deal.

Luos only or not, they have thrown down the gauntlet.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on January 31, 2018, 06:03:26 PM
Any word on David Ndii? Was he at the swearing in?
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Dear Mami on January 31, 2018, 06:05:01 PM
They don't have the gauntlet. Or you think that is just mudomo mingi. At least Kalenjin or Kikuyus would probably have acquired guns and gone for it. This is a big joke. The crackdown will crush them in a week time.

This is just like election boycott. Bad idea ab initio. You're in a bad situation but you make it even worse. Rational thing to do is stick with the bad deal.

Luos only or not, they have thrown down the gauntlet.

How many times do people do what Raila did and go home and have a cup of tea without a worry?  He didn't need a single gun and yet he has the jubilant in panic mode.
:D :D :D
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 31, 2018, 06:13:48 PM
I pity him - he is particularly obtuse.
Any word on David Ndii? Was he at the swearing in?
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 31, 2018, 06:17:48 PM
Kichwa - mutalia -- hapa ndio minority leader wenu :D
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Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on January 31, 2018, 07:23:00 PM
Here is how we see it:

To the poorly discerning eye, Raila Odinga may have only raised a bible, in a largely chaotic sea of humanity. In Africa, where power is measured by its attendant trappings, like large motorcades, insane display of wealth and a bloated public service competing with itself to show loyalty, it may even be harder for supporters to realise just how much ground they covered in that process. I am no expert in these things, but as a student of politics, I can see things from my firm layman's chair.

In my previous post about what may happen on 30th, my first pick was a peaceful swearing in that would almost immediately launch a secessionist movement. Obviously the function was not disrupted, and there may be a million reasons for that. But if this was meant to be a fight for electoral justice, it probably achieved more than it set out to. It also brought out a truth that we always ignore; that Raila's slum-level supporters understand him much better than his middle and upper class supporters, who may be witnessing a serious revolution, but instead get busy asking why there are no chairs at the venue, why the PA system is not as good as Rihana's during her last performance in San Diego, or why Miguna is wearing a white shirt! Simply put, the vanity of a perceived educated supporter is mind boggling, at a time when the low level supporter just comes out and supports the cause unequivocally.

Anyway, several things were firmly dispensed with yesterday that made the Raila swearing in a complete success...

1. Raila finally took charge of his support base in a formal covenant. This base is reputed to be in the region of 60% of the country, a potent multi tribal mass that no politician, past and present, has ever built up. The meaning of this is that even without a State House and state largesse, President Raila can now determine what his half of the country, from whether to pay taxes to an illegitimate regime or not, whether to chart a secessionist path or how to redefine our choices. If the crowd at Uhuru Park was a microcosm of the Raila national support, you are looking at an uprising just waiting for a trigger. If Raila went on with the oath despite the threat of treason charges, nothing now stops him calling for his 60% support to rise up and remove the illegitimate regime by all means. That oath was the covenant he needed.

2. No other election will ever be stolen. Simply put, after yesterday, the consequence for stealing elections has become too grave. Yesterday was just the oath. Today begins the aftermath of the oath. Wherever this will end, nobody will ever steal elections again.

3. Two unrelated things; the police failed to show up but the media was shut down! I celebrate these two. Because both of them were manifest of a collapsing system. Testimony to the fact that the police wouldn't be of help, so let's stop the world seeing it! Imagine that for a moment. That the regime didn't want people to see Raila taking the oath! Keep imagining that a little longer! You are onto something here. The only reason a regime stops you seeing that is because it has lost control of the population! So why then do I think the police were a no show? I have several theories but that's for another day. In the meantime, start counting all the countries that you think have shut the media totally to avoid showing an event. You will find Kenya is in the company of very few! And no, Somalia, Chad, Yemen, Syria and Colombia are not on that list.

4. If there was any perceived support that Raila received via his co-principals, that myth was buried yesterday. By proceeding with the oath alone, Raila used a gentle but Machiavellian move to consolidate all his support by "direct loyalty". By end of day, people from Sabatia, Mwingi and Bungoma were calling Musalia, Kalonzo and Wetangula very unsavoury names! It is hard to understand how the so called co-principals expected the event to be postponed at 2pm, with a million people already seated and tens of millions logged onto the internet streaming it. Yesterday marked the death of the NASA lie, and incidentally, the rise of the real Raila warriors in places like Western, where Cleo Malala, Norman Magaya and Edwin Sifuna, who had played a leading role in that swearing in ceremony, firmly took their positions at the high table.

5. Hassan Joho, Heir Apparent. It may appear that the absence of the co-principals caused some sort of a vacuum. I submit that the co-principals have in fact been absent the whole time. ODM's Deputy Party Leader, Hassan Joho, has been the coprincipal all along! Joho is also a very smart politician. Knowing that the so called co-principals would disappear last minute, he made sure to be there for his leader to the end, becoming the man who actually invited his President to take the oath. Joho has won the admiration of the Raila base. If Raila said Joho Tosha, there would also be a non Raila base in the Muslim world that would crown him. Now that Raila has consolidated his base, the next "Raila" may also just have been crowned at the function.

6. We have said before that Raila does not fear arrest and/or death. Yesterday confirmed that Jubilee has no formula to deal with Raila. And this means that if Raila chooses, he can finish Jubilee within the coming months. Jubilee's options yesterday were quite narrow. First would have been for police to shoot hundreds of people to stop the function. That would have risked anything, from a nationwide uprising to a military intervention to restore order. As soon as military tanks hit the streets and the people cheer them and ride their tanks together, even those who sent them can't stop their next move. The other option would have been to arrest Raila, with similar consequences. Effectively, Raila is untouchable! And the uninterrupted oath has raised him even higher. Jubilee's best hope now is that natural happens to Raila. But nature is not stupid.

7. The Raila journey and oath brings out a demographic that is seldom celebrated but really needs its place in the sun; Women Politicians. Pick any woman MP or Senator. They were always there. Their male counterparts will eat from both sides and hold night meetings with opponents. But the women always remain firmly on their original side. Aisha, Mishi, Flo Mutua, Kwamboka...there is amazing consistency among the "Raila women". You will pick out Roza Buyu jumping with excitement in that oathing video to understand this. The women do not play their comrades. Even in 2013 when Kalenjins were fleeing ODM, the women, Kamar, Laboso, Sally, were the last to leave, long after their men had been bought and domesticated like Mogotio goats. The Raila machine must now bring more women to the high table. There is no excuse not to have women co-principals after the experiment with men!

8. Raila paid all his debts yesterday. Actually there was none. So he just buried the perception. Ahead of the next election, President Raila now remains in total control of his base, which grows by the day, as disillusioned Rift Valley joins. Baba will be only 75 in 2022. He goes to the gym, eats osuga and drinks nyuka kal. I have never met a younger, fitter man. If you want our support in 2022, and you were not at Uhuru Park, we will remind you that the young man Raila Odinga has not reached retirement age and will not reach for another 25 or so years. We are not fools. The Raila base have their man for 2022. There is no vacuum.

9. After accepting his mandate as the President of the Majority, there will be no way the President of the Minority assumes he can ignore that. Raila got his mandate in broad daylight. One of those two must fall, and it won't be the majority side.

10. History was made. It won't seem so clear now. But in the coming months, you will see how liberation finally came. Not just from our enemies, but also from those who pretended to be our friends. The burden is lighter. Now let's wait for the decrees from our President.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on January 31, 2018, 07:39:56 PM
Kichwa who is the author of that op ed?
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Empedocles on January 31, 2018, 07:40:50 PM
Here is how we see it:

To the poorly discerning eye, Raila Odinga may have only raised a bible, in a largely chaotic sea of humanity. In Africa, where power is measured by its attendant trappings, like large motorcades, insane display of wealth and a bloated public service competing with itself to show loyalty, it may even be harder for supporters to realise just how much ground they covered in that process. I am no expert in these things, but as a student of politics, I can see things from my firm layman's chair.

In my previous post about what may happen on 30th, my first pick was a peaceful swearing in that would almost immediately launch a secessionist movement. Obviously the function was not disrupted, and there may be a million reasons for that. But if this was meant to be a fight for electoral justice, it probably achieved more than it set out to. It also brought out a truth that we always ignore; that Raila's slum-level supporters understand him much better than his middle and upper class supporters, who may be witnessing a serious revolution, but instead get busy asking why there are no chairs at the venue, why the PA system is not as good as Rihana's during her last performance in San Diego, or why Miguna is wearing a white shirt! Simply put, the vanity of a perceived educated supporter is mind boggling, at a time when the low level supporter just comes out and supports the cause unequivocally.

Anyway, several things were firmly dispensed with yesterday that made the Raila swearing in a complete success...

1. Raila finally took charge of his support base in a formal covenant. This base is reputed to be in the region of 60% of the country, a potent multi tribal mass that no politician, past and present, has ever built up. The meaning of this is that even without a State House and state largesse, President Raila can now determine what his half of the country, from whether to pay taxes to an illegitimate regime or not, whether to chart a secessionist path or how to redefine our choices. If the crowd at Uhuru Park was a microcosm of the Raila national support, you are looking at an uprising just waiting for a trigger. If Raila went on with the oath despite the threat of treason charges, nothing now stops him calling for his 60% support to rise up and remove the illegitimate regime by all means. That oath was the covenant he needed.

2. No other election will ever be stolen. Simply put, after yesterday, the consequence for stealing elections has become too grave. Yesterday was just the oath. Today begins the aftermath of the oath. Wherever this will end, nobody will ever steal elections again.

3. Two unrelated things; the police failed to show up but the media was shut down! I celebrate these two. Because both of them were manifest of a collapsing system. Testimony to the fact that the police wouldn't be of help, so let's stop the world seeing it! Imagine that for a moment. That the regime didn't want people to see Raila taking the oath! Keep imagining that a little longer! You are onto something here. The only reason a regime stops you seeing that is because it has lost control of the population! So why then do I think the police were a no show? I have several theories but that's for another day. In the meantime, start counting all the countries that you think have shut the media totally to avoid showing an event. You will find Kenya is in the company of very few! And no, Somalia, Chad, Yemen, Syria and Colombia are not on that list.

4. If there was any perceived support that Raila received via his co-principals, that myth was buried yesterday. By proceeding with the oath alone, Raila used a gentle but Machiavellian move to consolidate all his support by "direct loyalty". By end of day, people from Sabatia, Mwingi and Bungoma were calling Musalia, Kalonzo and Wetangula very unsavoury names! It is hard to understand how the so called co-principals expected the event to be postponed at 2pm, with a million people already seated and tens of millions logged onto the internet streaming it. Yesterday marked the death of the NASA lie, and incidentally, the rise of the real Raila warriors in places like Western, where Cleo Malala, Norman Magaya and Edwin Sifuna, who had played a leading role in that swearing in ceremony, firmly took their positions at the high table.

5. Hassan Joho, Heir Apparent. It may appear that the absence of the co-principals caused some sort of a vacuum. I submit that the co-principals have in fact been absent the whole time. ODM's Deputy Party Leader, Hassan Joho, has been the coprincipal all along! Joho is also a very smart politician. Knowing that the so called co-principals would disappear last minute, he made sure to be there for his leader to the end, becoming the man who actually invited his President to take the oath. Joho has won the admiration of the Raila base. If Raila said Joho Tosha, there would also be a non Raila base in the Muslim world that would crown him. Now that Raila has consolidated his base, the next "Raila" may also just have been crowned at the function.

6. We have said before that Raila does not fear arrest and/or death. Yesterday confirmed that Jubilee has no formula to deal with Raila. And this means that if Raila chooses, he can finish Jubilee within the coming months. Jubilee's options yesterday were quite narrow. First would have been for police to shoot hundreds of people to stop the function. That would have risked anything, from a nationwide uprising to a military intervention to restore order. As soon as military tanks hit the streets and the people cheer them and ride their tanks together, even those who sent them can't stop their next move. The other option would have been to arrest Raila, with similar consequences. Effectively, Raila is untouchable! And the uninterrupted oath has raised him even higher. Jubilee's best hope now is that natural happens to Raila. But nature is not stupid.

7. The Raila journey and oath brings out a demographic that is seldom celebrated but really needs its place in the sun; Women Politicians. Pick any woman MP or Senator. They were always there. Their male counterparts will eat from both sides and hold night meetings with opponents. But the women always remain firmly on their original side. Aisha, Mishi, Flo Mutua, Kwamboka...there is amazing consistency among the "Raila women". You will pick out Roza Buyu jumping with excitement in that oathing video to understand this. The women do not play their comrades. Even in 2013 when Kalenjins were fleeing ODM, the women, Kamar, Laboso, Sally, were the last to leave, long after their men had been bought and domesticated like Mogotio goats. The Raila machine must now bring more women to the high table. There is no excuse not to have women co-principals after the experiment with men!

8. Raila paid all his debts yesterday. Actually there was none. So he just buried the perception. Ahead of the next election, President Raila now remains in total control of his base, which grows by the day, as disillusioned Rift Valley joins. Baba will be only 75 in 2022. He goes to the gym, eats osuga and drinks nyuka kal. I have never met a younger, fitter man. If you want our support in 2022, and you were not at Uhuru Park, we will remind you that the young man Raila Odinga has not reached retirement age and will not reach for another 25 or so years. We are not fools. The Raila base have their man for 2022. There is no vacuum.

9. After accepting his mandate as the President of the Majority, there will be no way the President of the Minority assumes he can ignore that. Raila got his mandate in broad daylight. One of those two must fall, and it won't be the majority side.

10. History was made. It won't seem so clear now. But in the coming months, you will see how liberation finally came. Not just from our enemies, but also from those who pretended to be our friends. The burden is lighter. Now let's wait for the decrees from our President.

All what you've written sound good but is it really the reality?

I say no.

RAO has teamed up with the likes of Kalonzo, Weta, Mudavadi, all of whom have kicked RAO down in the past, some of them severally. 2007 would have been next to impossible for Kibaki to rig if Kalonzo hadn't bolted. Now throw in Miguna into the mix, who wrote two damning books criticizing RAO (remember the hilarious part where Kibabki made RAO breakdown in tears?). Interestingly, where's Ndii?

RAO's the problem.

RAO sucks bigly as a manager and keeps on making the exact same mistakes. He always, without fail, trusts the wrong people, especially the likes of Orengo. Actually, in a way, that's quite an achievement.
(http://bartbeaty.ucalgaryblogs.ca/files/2013/04/Charlie-Brown.jpg)
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on January 31, 2018, 07:44:49 PM
Sijui miguna if he made it

BREAKING NEWS

MIGUNA MIGUNA arrested by plain cloth police officers outside CBA westlands taken to an undisclosed location.This is less than 2hrs after the arrest of Ruaraka Mp TJ Kajwang

He was buying a ticket at a travel agency .......moto sasa
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on January 31, 2018, 07:50:15 PM
Here is how we see it:

To the poorly discerning eye, Raila Odinga may have only raised a bible, in a largely chaotic sea of humanity. In Africa, where power is measured by its attendant trappings, like large motorcades, insane display of wealth and a bloated public service competing with itself to show loyalty, it may even be harder for supporters to realise just how much ground they covered in that process. I am no expert in these things, but as a student of politics, I can see things from my firm layman's chair.

In my previous post about what may happen on 30th, my first pick was a peaceful swearing in that would almost immediately launch a secessionist movement. Obviously the function was not disrupted, and there may be a million reasons for that. But if this was meant to be a fight for electoral justice, it probably achieved more than it set out to. It also brought out a truth that we always ignore; that Raila's slum-level supporters understand him much better than his middle and upper class supporters, who may be witnessing a serious revolution, but instead get busy asking why there are no chairs at the venue, why the PA system is not as good as Rihana's during her last performance in San Diego, or why Miguna is wearing a white shirt! Simply put, the vanity of a perceived educated supporter is mind boggling, at a time when the low level supporter just comes out and supports the cause unequivocally.

Anyway, several things were firmly dispensed with yesterday that made the Raila swearing in a complete success...

1. Raila finally took charge of his support base in a formal covenant. This base is reputed to be in the region of 60% of the country, a potent multi tribal mass that no politician, past and present, has ever built up. The meaning of this is that even without a State House and state largesse, President Raila can now determine what his half of the country, from whether to pay taxes to an illegitimate regime or not, whether to chart a secessionist path or how to redefine our choices. If the crowd at Uhuru Park was a microcosm of the Raila national support, you are looking at an uprising just waiting for a trigger. If Raila went on with the oath despite the threat of treason charges, nothing now stops him calling for his 60% support to rise up and remove the illegitimate regime by all means. That oath was the covenant he needed.

2. No other election will ever be stolen. Simply put, after yesterday, the consequence for stealing elections has become too grave. Yesterday was just the oath. Today begins the aftermath of the oath. Wherever this will end, nobody will ever steal elections again.

3. Two unrelated things; the police failed to show up but the media was shut down! I celebrate these two. Because both of them were manifest of a collapsing system. Testimony to the fact that the police wouldn't be of help, so let's stop the world seeing it! Imagine that for a moment. That the regime didn't want people to see Raila taking the oath! Keep imagining that a little longer! You are onto something here. The only reason a regime stops you seeing that is because it has lost control of the population! So why then do I think the police were a no show? I have several theories but that's for another day. In the meantime, start counting all the countries that you think have shut the media totally to avoid showing an event. You will find Kenya is in the company of very few! And no, Somalia, Chad, Yemen, Syria and Colombia are not on that list.

4. If there was any perceived support that Raila received via his co-principals, that myth was buried yesterday. By proceeding with the oath alone, Raila used a gentle but Machiavellian move to consolidate all his support by "direct loyalty". By end of day, people from Sabatia, Mwingi and Bungoma were calling Musalia, Kalonzo and Wetangula very unsavoury names! It is hard to understand how the so called co-principals expected the event to be postponed at 2pm, with a million people already seated and tens of millions logged onto the internet streaming it. Yesterday marked the death of the NASA lie, and incidentally, the rise of the real Raila warriors in places like Western, where Cleo Malala, Norman Magaya and Edwin Sifuna, who had played a leading role in that swearing in ceremony, firmly took their positions at the high table.

5. Hassan Joho, Heir Apparent. It may appear that the absence of the co-principals caused some sort of a vacuum. I submit that the co-principals have in fact been absent the whole time. ODM's Deputy Party Leader, Hassan Joho, has been the coprincipal all along! Joho is also a very smart politician. Knowing that the so called co-principals would disappear last minute, he made sure to be there for his leader to the end, becoming the man who actually invited his President to take the oath. Joho has won the admiration of the Raila base. If Raila said Joho Tosha, there would also be a non Raila base in the Muslim world that would crown him. Now that Raila has consolidated his base, the next "Raila" may also just have been crowned at the function.

6. We have said before that Raila does not fear arrest and/or death. Yesterday confirmed that Jubilee has no formula to deal with Raila. And this means that if Raila chooses, he can finish Jubilee within the coming months. Jubilee's options yesterday were quite narrow. First would have been for police to shoot hundreds of people to stop the function. That would have risked anything, from a nationwide uprising to a military intervention to restore order. As soon as military tanks hit the streets and the people cheer them and ride their tanks together, even those who sent them can't stop their next move. The other option would have been to arrest Raila, with similar consequences. Effectively, Raila is untouchable! And the uninterrupted oath has raised him even higher. Jubilee's best hope now is that natural happens to Raila. But nature is not stupid.

7. The Raila journey and oath brings out a demographic that is seldom celebrated but really needs its place in the sun; Women Politicians. Pick any woman MP or Senator. They were always there. Their male counterparts will eat from both sides and hold night meetings with opponents. But the women always remain firmly on their original side. Aisha, Mishi, Flo Mutua, Kwamboka...there is amazing consistency among the "Raila women". You will pick out Roza Buyu jumping with excitement in that oathing video to understand this. The women do not play their comrades. Even in 2013 when Kalenjins were fleeing ODM, the women, Kamar, Laboso, Sally, were the last to leave, long after their men had been bought and domesticated like Mogotio goats. The Raila machine must now bring more women to the high table. There is no excuse not to have women co-principals after the experiment with men!

8. Raila paid all his debts yesterday. Actually there was none. So he just buried the perception. Ahead of the next election, President Raila now remains in total control of his base, which grows by the day, as disillusioned Rift Valley joins. Baba will be only 75 in 2022. He goes to the gym, eats osuga and drinks nyuka kal. I have never met a younger, fitter man. If you want our support in 2022, and you were not at Uhuru Park, we will remind you that the young man Raila Odinga has not reached retirement age and will not reach for another 25 or so years. We are not fools. The Raila base have their man for 2022. There is no vacuum.

9. After accepting his mandate as the President of the Majority, there will be no way the President of the Minority assumes he can ignore that. Raila got his mandate in broad daylight. One of those two must fall, and it won't be the majority side.

10. History was made. It won't seem so clear now. But in the coming months, you will see how liberation finally came. Not just from our enemies, but also from those who pretended to be our friends. The burden is lighter. Now let's wait for the decrees from our President.

All what you've written sound good but is it really the reality?

I say no.

RAO has teamed up with the likes of Kalonzo, Weta, Mudavadi, all of whom have kicked RAO down in the past, some of them severally. 2007 would have been next to impossible for Kibaki to rig if Kalonzo hadn't bolted. Now throw in Miguna into the mix, who wrote two damning books criticizing RAO (remember the hilarious part where Kibabki made RAO breakdown in tears?). Interestingly, where's Ndii?

RAO's the problem.

RAO sucks bigly as a manager and keeps on making the exact same mistakes. He always, without fail, trusts the wrong people, especially the likes of Orengo. Actually, in a way, that's quite an achievement.
(http://bartbeaty.ucalgaryblogs.ca/files/2013/04/Charlie-Brown.jpg)

I too beg to disagree with your opinion but we are entitled to ours. That's what a democracy is all about.  We have never been here before and therefore its unchartered territory.  Some are talking about 2022 dreaming that all this will go away and then in 2022 we will have the same elections with Chebukati or his ilk at the helm of the IEBC, yada, yada, yada. It will not be the same again. All I know is that unless a lot of things change in very fundamental ways, we will never have another elections again like in 2017. Half of this country did not participate in the 11/26 elections and therefore we will be on campaign mode until another elections is held. 
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: patel on January 31, 2018, 07:51:20 PM
Nobody is running even CJ maraga is paying homage to Joho
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Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on January 31, 2018, 07:52:37 PM
That's fine. They have a few millions left to arrest.

Sijui miguna if he made it

BREAKING NEWS

MIGUNA MIGUNA arrested by plain cloth police officers outside CBA westlands taken to an undisclosed location.This is less than 2hrs after the arrest of Ruaraka Mp TJ Kajwang

He was buying a ticket at a travel agency .......moto sasa
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: patel on January 31, 2018, 07:54:42 PM
very well put Kichwaa.......Jubilee president still running on Kanu software while the rest of the country has moved on....what gives?

Here is how we see it:

To the poorly discerning eye, Raila Odinga may have only raised a bible, in a largely chaotic sea of humanity. In Africa, where power is measured by its attendant trappings, like large motorcades, insane display of wealth and a bloated public service competing with itself to show loyalty, it may even be harder for supporters to realise just how much ground they covered in that process. I am no expert in these things, but as a student of politics, I can see things from my firm layman's chair.

In my previous post about what may happen on 30th, my first pick was a peaceful swearing in that would almost immediately launch a secessionist movement. Obviously the function was not disrupted, and there may be a million reasons for that. But if this was meant to be a fight for electoral justice, it probably achieved more than it set out to. It also brought out a truth that we always ignore; that Raila's slum-level supporters understand him much better than his middle and upper class supporters, who may be witnessing a serious revolution, but instead get busy asking why there are no chairs at the venue, why the PA system is not as good as Rihana's during her last performance in San Diego, or why Miguna is wearing a white shirt! Simply put, the vanity of a perceived educated supporter is mind boggling, at a time when the low level supporter just comes out and supports the cause unequivocally.

Anyway, several things were firmly dispensed with yesterday that made the Raila swearing in a complete success...

1. Raila finally took charge of his support base in a formal covenant. This base is reputed to be in the region of 60% of the country, a potent multi tribal mass that no politician, past and present, has ever built up. The meaning of this is that even without a State House and state largesse, President Raila can now determine what his half of the country, from whether to pay taxes to an illegitimate regime or not, whether to chart a secessionist path or how to redefine our choices. If the crowd at Uhuru Park was a microcosm of the Raila national support, you are looking at an uprising just waiting for a trigger. If Raila went on with the oath despite the threat of treason charges, nothing now stops him calling for his 60% support to rise up and remove the illegitimate regime by all means. That oath was the covenant he needed.

2. No other election will ever be stolen. Simply put, after yesterday, the consequence for stealing elections has become too grave. Yesterday was just the oath. Today begins the aftermath of the oath. Wherever this will end, nobody will ever steal elections again.

3. Two unrelated things; the police failed to show up but the media was shut down! I celebrate these two. Because both of them were manifest of a collapsing system. Testimony to the fact that the police wouldn't be of help, so let's stop the world seeing it! Imagine that for a moment. That the regime didn't want people to see Raila taking the oath! Keep imagining that a little longer! You are onto something here. The only reason a regime stops you seeing that is because it has lost control of the population! So why then do I think the police were a no show? I have several theories but that's for another day. In the meantime, start counting all the countries that you think have shut the media totally to avoid showing an event. You will find Kenya is in the company of very few! And no, Somalia, Chad, Yemen, Syria and Colombia are not on that list.

4. If there was any perceived support that Raila received via his co-principals, that myth was buried yesterday. By proceeding with the oath alone, Raila used a gentle but Machiavellian move to consolidate all his support by "direct loyalty". By end of day, people from Sabatia, Mwingi and Bungoma were calling Musalia, Kalonzo and Wetangula very unsavoury names! It is hard to understand how the so called co-principals expected the event to be postponed at 2pm, with a million people already seated and tens of millions logged onto the internet streaming it. Yesterday marked the death of the NASA lie, and incidentally, the rise of the real Raila warriors in places like Western, where Cleo Malala, Norman Magaya and Edwin Sifuna, who had played a leading role in that swearing in ceremony, firmly took their positions at the high table.

5. Hassan Joho, Heir Apparent. It may appear that the absence of the co-principals caused some sort of a vacuum. I submit that the co-principals have in fact been absent the whole time. ODM's Deputy Party Leader, Hassan Joho, has been the coprincipal all along! Joho is also a very smart politician. Knowing that the so called co-principals would disappear last minute, he made sure to be there for his leader to the end, becoming the man who actually invited his President to take the oath. Joho has won the admiration of the Raila base. If Raila said Joho Tosha, there would also be a non Raila base in the Muslim world that would crown him. Now that Raila has consolidated his base, the next "Raila" may also just have been crowned at the function.

6. We have said before that Raila does not fear arrest and/or death. Yesterday confirmed that Jubilee has no formula to deal with Raila. And this means that if Raila chooses, he can finish Jubilee within the coming months. Jubilee's options yesterday were quite narrow. First would have been for police to shoot hundreds of people to stop the function. That would have risked anything, from a nationwide uprising to a military intervention to restore order. As soon as military tanks hit the streets and the people cheer them and ride their tanks together, even those who sent them can't stop their next move. The other option would have been to arrest Raila, with similar consequences. Effectively, Raila is untouchable! And the uninterrupted oath has raised him even higher. Jubilee's best hope now is that natural happens to Raila. But nature is not stupid.

7. The Raila journey and oath brings out a demographic that is seldom celebrated but really needs its place in the sun; Women Politicians. Pick any woman MP or Senator. They were always there. Their male counterparts will eat from both sides and hold night meetings with opponents. But the women always remain firmly on their original side. Aisha, Mishi, Flo Mutua, Kwamboka...there is amazing consistency among the "Raila women". You will pick out Roza Buyu jumping with excitement in that oathing video to understand this. The women do not play their comrades. Even in 2013 when Kalenjins were fleeing ODM, the women, Kamar, Laboso, Sally, were the last to leave, long after their men had been bought and domesticated like Mogotio goats. The Raila machine must now bring more women to the high table. There is no excuse not to have women co-principals after the experiment with men!

8. Raila paid all his debts yesterday. Actually there was none. So he just buried the perception. Ahead of the next election, President Raila now remains in total control of his base, which grows by the day, as disillusioned Rift Valley joins. Baba will be only 75 in 2022. He goes to the gym, eats osuga and drinks nyuka kal. I have never met a younger, fitter man. If you want our support in 2022, and you were not at Uhuru Park, we will remind you that the young man Raila Odinga has not reached retirement age and will not reach for another 25 or so years. We are not fools. The Raila base have their man for 2022. There is no vacuum.

9. After accepting his mandate as the President of the Majority, there will be no way the President of the Minority assumes he can ignore that. Raila got his mandate in broad daylight. One of those two must fall, and it won't be the majority side.

10. History was made. It won't seem so clear now. But in the coming months, you will see how liberation finally came. Not just from our enemies, but also from those who pretended to be our friends. The burden is lighter. Now let's wait for the decrees from our President.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: patel on January 31, 2018, 08:07:19 PM
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Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: patel on January 31, 2018, 08:11:59 PM
958741671575015426[/tweet]] (http://[tweet)[/url]

Sijui miguna if he made it

BREAKING NEWS

MIGUNA MIGUNA arrested by plain cloth police officers outside CBA westlands taken to an undisclosed location.This is less than 2hrs after the arrest of Ruaraka Mp TJ Kajwang

He was buying a ticket at a travel agency .......moto sasa
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on February 01, 2018, 09:02:17 AM
Any word on David Ndii? Was he at the swearing in?
He was, I saw him.

This is a war of attrition, arrest them one by one to weary them
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Empedocles on February 01, 2018, 10:40:24 AM
I too beg to disagree with your opinion but we are entitled to ours. That's what a democracy is all about.  We have never been here before and therefore its unchartered territory.  Some are talking about 2022 dreaming that all this will go away and then in 2022 we will have the same elections with Chebukati or his ilk at the helm of the IEBC, yada, yada, yada. It will not be the same again. All I know is that unless a lot of things change in very fundamental ways, we will never have another elections again like in 2017. Half of this country did not participate in the 11/26 elections and therefore we will be on campaign mode until another elections is held. 

Agreed, we're in uncharted territory, it's good to disagree (helps me learn more also) and nobody really knows what's coming up.

The only thing we can do is look into the past and try to guess, like we're all doing here. Yet the patterns of the past seem to keep repeating themselves. I mean, Kalonzo spent years in KANU, more than any current politician I think. Weta, well, he's a product of KANU and MDVD is a pedigree offspring of KANU.

Now,one thing I really don't understand is the basis which RAO used to swear himself in. Wasn't NASA ecstatic over the annulment of the 8.8.17 elections?

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Kenya opposition stronghold celebrates at the decision. Kenya's Supreme Court has annulled the result of last month's presidential election, citing irregularities, and ordered a new one within 60 days. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41123329)

Why the change of mind now?

Then comes the weird statement put out by Kalonzo, Weta, and MDVD:

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"We met on Monday and agreed to meet again this morning(Tuesday). However, due to circumstances beyond our comprehension and control, the four of us did not assemble as planned. Nonetheless, the NASA Summit remains strong and united. The Summit will meet within two days, to address the immense challenges facing this country," a joint statement from the three read.  (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/01/30/i-havent-betrayed-you-will-take-oath-soon-kalonzo-tells-supporters_c1706451)

Followed by this news: 77 NASA MPs, 15 county chiefs snubbed Raila 'oath' (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/02/01/77-nasa-mps-15-county-chiefs-snubbed-raila-oath_c1706963).

This is more than confusing.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on February 01, 2018, 12:33:13 PM
Empo politics is not logic ok? Not the state nor NASA is upholding the law - the difference is who has the rungu. All present 'principals' are Kanu orphans except Raila. A verbal threat to cancel their diplomatic visas is sufficient to dissuade them.

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-police-pulled-out-Uhuru-Park/1056-4285122-xv1y7t/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-police-pulled-out-Uhuru-Park/1056-4285122-xv1y7t/index.html)
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The Western governments threatened to have their names included in no-fly lists, meaning airlines flying to those destinations would not allow them to board their aircraft.

Being placed on no-fly list also means that the countries involved would revoke the visas of the individuals and their close relatives.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on February 01, 2018, 12:34:31 PM
Miguna hapendi ujinga

Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: audacityofhope on February 01, 2018, 01:46:26 PM
Miguna says it is protected speech. You can almost here a pin drop since this act of defiance.

Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Empedocles on February 01, 2018, 02:33:29 PM
Empo politics is not logic ok? Not the state nor NASA is upholding the law - the difference is who has the rungu. All present 'principals' are Kanu orphans except Raila. A verbal threat to cancel their diplomatic visas is sufficient to dissuade them.

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-police-pulled-out-Uhuru-Park/1056-4285122-xv1y7t/index.html (https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-police-pulled-out-Uhuru-Park/1056-4285122-xv1y7t/index.html)
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The Western governments threatened to have their names included in no-fly lists, meaning airlines flying to those destinations would not allow them to board their aircraft.

Being placed on no-fly list also means that the countries involved would revoke the visas of the individuals and their close relatives.

Agreed that neither Jubilee nor NASA even bother pretending to follow the law. Both coalitions are firm believers of impunity.

Wasn't RAO secretary general of KANU and only left when things didn't go his way i.e. being named the anointed successor to Moi? Then he too is a KANU orphan.

(https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/articles/2016/11/07/648352.jpg?itok=_DobQTQj)

Interesting you mention about the rungu. Who's holding it in NASA?

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ODM hijacked Raila and Kalonzo swearing-in plans, Wiper says (https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2018/02/01/odm-hijacked-raila-and-kalonzo-swearing-in-plans-wiper-says_c1707198)

ODM hijacked NASA's swearing-in ceremony on Tuesday, Kivutha Kibwana has claimed, and demanded respect from the party.

Raila Odinga, who was inaugurated as the people's president, is the leader of the orange party. He was not with his co-principals during the ceremony and there are now claims of a rift but the leaders say they are united.

Details: Raila 'sworn-in' as people's president, Kalonzo absent

Speaking on Musyi FM on Thursday, Kibwana gave his own version of events, saying the four principals agreed to meet that morning before proceeding to the Nairobi park.

The others are Wiper's Kalonzo Musyoka who was to be swrong-in as the people's DP, Musalia Mudavadi (Amani National Congress) and Bungoma senator Moses Wetang'ula (Ford Kenya).

Kibwana, who is Makueni governor and Wiper chairman, said they did not meet because Raila decided to proceed to the venue alone.

"Kalonzo and Raila were to meet that morning. But when Kalonzo got to the venue, only Wetang'ula and Mudavadi were there."

The county boss said they contacted Raila but were told that the Opposition leader had already left for the swearing-in.

"When they contacted Raila, he said he would not make it and would instead proceed to Uhuru Park for the swearing-in," he said.

Kibwana further claimed members of the inauguration's organising committee were not briefed on the happenings.

"ODM has not been fair. Even our representatives in the plans were kept in the dark most of the time," he said. "We are part of the NASA coalition but most of the time we were not briefed on meetings and progress."

The chairman noted ODM should respect other parties but added the co-principals were willing to talk to Raila about their differences.

"Yes, there are issues that need to be looked into but I want to assume that the Kamba nation and NASA are intact. All we ask for is respect from our other partner (ODM)," he said.

"There was a time we asked for a NASA retreat because there were many who were unsettled ... there are wrinkles in NASA that need to be ironed out first, especially distribution of leadership posts in Parliament and NASA's technical team. We need respect."

Kalonzo blamed his absence on the pulling out of his security team. In an interview on Mbaitu FM, a local Kamba station, he said he had been ready for the event until the government abruptly withdrew his security detail.

The 2017 deputy president candidate asked his supporters not to lose faith in him after he skipped the much-publicised ceremony.

On Wednesday, he reported an attack at his home but police said it may have been fabricated.

Of security concerns, Kibwana said: "NASA leaders were still deliberating on the oath's wording and how it would be administered but they were unable to meet to resolve the issue for fear of being nabbed."
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on February 01, 2018, 02:45:07 PM
Empo, Jubilee alone wields the rungu.

Kanu orphans.. Raila was an intruder, a cunning shamba boy, not a child of the home.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on February 01, 2018, 04:12:33 PM
Robina, You are all over the place since you decided to betray your own principles-define "rungu" for me.

Empo, Jubilee alone wields the rungu.

Kanu orphans.. Raila was an intruder, a cunning shamba boy, not a child of the home.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Empedocles on February 01, 2018, 04:14:26 PM
Empo, Jubilee alone wields the rungu.

I meant who holds the rungu in NASA. Uhuruto hold it over Jubilee while RAO holds it over NASA.

Kanu orphans.. Raila was an intruder, a cunning shamba boy, not a child of the home.

So if Moi had handed over the rungu to RAO, he would have still gone ahead to destroy KANU? Really?

Oh, RAO is a child of KANU, even using their same tactics to purportedly convince his supporters they won the election and justify his "swearing in". There's no difference between what RAO did now and what Kibaki (another KANU orphan) did in 2008.

NASA Results Part 5 - Conclusion, the Faker is Exposed (http://www.charleshornsby.com/blog/nasa-results-part-5-conclusion-the-faker-is-exposed). Interesting in depth analysis by Charles Hornsby.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on February 01, 2018, 04:29:46 PM
Rungu - state machinery

Robina, You are all over the place since you decided to betray your own principles-define "rungu" for me.

Empo, Jubilee alone wields the rungu.

Kanu orphans.. Raila was an intruder, a cunning shamba boy, not a child of the home.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on February 01, 2018, 04:34:11 PM
So if Moi had handed over the rungu to RAO, he would have still gone ahead to destroy KANU? Really?

Oh, RAO is a child of KANU, even using their same tactics to purportedly convince his supporters they won the election and justify his "swearing in". There's no difference between what RAO did now and what Kibaki (another KANU orphan) did in 2008.

NASA Results Part 5 - Conclusion, the Faker is Exposed (http://www.charleshornsby.com/blog/nasa-results-part-5-conclusion-the-faker-is-exposed). Interesting in depth analysis by Charles Hornsby.

You argue that Raila has loser morals than Kanu. I don't disagree. He was with them but not of them  :)

What does Kichwa make of all this?
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on February 01, 2018, 04:35:50 PM
NASA is a movement of the people and therefore the people hold the rungu.  Jubilee on the other hand is run by individuals. I have no idea who holds the rungu. Kikuyus says they have the rungu and Kalenjins also insists they have it. Kalenjins believe they have the rungu because if Kikuyus betrays them, then they have kikuyu hostages in the rift that they will immediately start executing.  Kikuyus also believe they hold the rungu because Ruto's only path to presidency is through total kikuyu support. Its more like a mutual assured destruction of some sorts and it will not end well.

Empo, Jubilee alone wields the rungu.

I meant who holds the rungu in NASA. Uhuruto hold it over Jubilee while RAO holds it over NASA.

Kanu orphans.. Raila was an intruder, a cunning shamba boy, not a child of the home.

So if Moi had handed over the rungu to RAO, he would have still gone ahead to destroy KANU? Really?

Oh, RAO is a child of KANU, even using their same tactics to purportedly convince his supporters they won the election and justify his "swearing in". There's no difference between what RAO did now and what Kibaki (another KANU orphan) did in 2008.

NASA Results Part 5 - Conclusion, the Faker is Exposed (http://www.charleshornsby.com/blog/nasa-results-part-5-conclusion-the-faker-is-exposed). Interesting in depth analysis by Charles Hornsby.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on February 01, 2018, 04:37:51 PM
seriously?  you want to talk about Kanu days?

So if Moi had handed over the rungu to RAO, he would have still gone ahead to destroy KANU? Really?

Oh, RAO is a child of KANU, even using their same tactics to purportedly convince his supporters they won the election and justify his "swearing in". There's no difference between what RAO did now and what Kibaki (another KANU orphan) did in 2008.

NASA Results Part 5 - Conclusion, the Faker is Exposed (http://www.charleshornsby.com/blog/nasa-results-part-5-conclusion-the-faker-is-exposed). Interesting in depth analysis by Charles Hornsby.

You argue that Raila has loser morals than Kanu. I don't disagree. He was with them but not of them  :)

What does Kichwa make of all this?
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 01, 2018, 05:30:43 PM
Miguna says it is protected speech. You can almost here a pin drop since this act of defiance.


The usual strategy has been to corrupt the process and "legitimize" it with trappings of power.  That seems to be backfiring for the jubilant at this point.  Instead, it has opened the floodgates for each group to decide what is legitimate and what is not. 

What Raila did on the 30th, is not materially any different than what Jubilee did last year, if you exclude murdering election IT honchos, threatening judges and IEBC officials, not to mention actually winning the election.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: bryan275 on February 01, 2018, 06:31:33 PM
Miguna says it is protected speech. You can almost here a pin drop since this act of defiance.



That lovable rogue..... Miguna has scared the electoral fraudsters.... they tested the waters by arresting Kajwang.... Canaan is here.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Dear Mami on February 01, 2018, 06:33:51 PM
Empo, Jubilee alone wields the rungu.

Kanu orphans.. Raila was an intruder, a cunning shamba boy, not a child of the home.
I agree with you. At least you are fair. Empedocles has been trying to make this "Raila is the same" argument for eons using nothing but the time he joined KANU for really just a stint. Because that's really all anyone can find.

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You argue that Raila has loser morals than Kanu. I don't disagree. He was with them but not of them  :)

What does Kichwa make of all this?
I have a feeling from what you say here and above that you meant to say "I disagree" or "I don't agree" and somehow mixed them up. Am I wrong?

You are right. This is not about the law any more. NASA argue that the law is now just a rungu in the hands of an opponent on an unfair playing field. I agree with them. But I don't personally get what the swearing in is/was about. Me, personally? I just want people to get serious about a people driven movement for secession talks without violence. I am waiting for the point at which this will be possible once the steam is out ears and hubris has been beaten out of chests by men all around. Without a serious threat for secession (without violence, I repeat) there will be no restructuring.

Another thing, Africans need to learn that the ideal of Law is a bazungu ideal. It has not yet sunk enough in our culture to become truly ours. It's still a hoped for goal, not an ideal we actually live up to day to day. So I'm hoping we can come to some sort of arrangement that's true to our own reality and that makes identity politics a none issue. I know it sounds like a dream but hey, niwache niote tafadhali, simzui mwengine asiyependa ndoto zakitumaini!
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on February 01, 2018, 06:39:50 PM
Fyi

As I predicted, Baba still needs the traitors hence this joint presser. But Im sure that will be a hard sell
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Dear Mami on February 01, 2018, 07:15:01 PM
If they don't end up in prison or wind up dead that is - I think MaDVD and Kanu soft boys knows what Gov hard power can do  to people. They've been there and know that. Engaging in treasonous activities is not a joke...last time Raila ended up 9yrs in Kamiti. This time coz of old age & politics they may use other means to drive the point home but for Miguna, Ndii & Joho - they won't get the free pass.
Madvd n the other soft Kanu boys stopped the first swearing in: that is at least clear. They went to presser n RAO was a no show. Yesterday he went ahead and they were a no show. I think Joho, Magaya and even, I hate to say it, Miguna, are the benefeciaries of Raila's clout should he no longer be a factor. People supporting him will not follow any of the principals after this. They'll follow Joho.
Actually, I think it's the other way around. KANU soft boys "play" politics: they have never actually suffered due to politics and are unwilling to start now. Look at Madvd's smooth face and soft body :D That dude probably has never even been held up in a queue for more than a few hours leave alone detained or tortured. The Ndiis, Migunas and RAO himself, are different. It's the same with Uhuru and Ruto. Ruto probably would be willing to risk danger but Uhuru is a soft cerelac baby. He and Madvd probably went to the same nursery school and sang singing games together. Even that Naivasha business was not of his making, alipelekwa na "wazee" and he went with the flow without even seriously contemplating what was going on. I'll give him one point over Madvd in that at least he has faced a real threat to him in the name of ICC. I don't think Madvd has ever even experienced a delayed flight. :D
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on February 01, 2018, 07:41:12 PM
Empo, Jubilee alone wields the rungu.

Kanu orphans.. Raila was an intruder, a cunning shamba boy, not a child of the home.
I agree with you. At least you are fair. Empedocles has been trying to make this "Raila is the same" argument for eons using nothing but the time he joined KANU for really just a stint. Because that's really all anyone can find.

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You argue that Raila has loser morals than Kanu. I don't disagree. He was with them but not of them  :)

What does Kichwa make of all this?
I have a feeling from what you say here and above that you meant to say "I disagree" or "I don't agree" and somehow mixed them up. Am I wrong?

I meant Raila is not a Kanu orphan, you're right it was a typo.


You are right. This is not about the law any more. NASA argue that the law is now just a rungu in the hands of an opponent on an unfair playing field. I agree with them. But I don't personally get what the swearing in is/was about. Me, personally? I just want people to get serious about a people driven movement for secession talks without violence. I am waiting for the point at which this will be possible once the steam is out ears and hubris has been beaten out of chests by men all around. Without a serious threat for secession (without violence, I repeat) there will be no restructuring.

Another thing, Africans need to learn that the ideal of Law is a bazungu ideal. It has not yet sunk enough in our culture to become truly ours. It's still a hoped for goal, not an ideal we actually live up to day to day. So I'm hoping we can come to some sort of arrangement that's true to our own reality and that makes identity politics a none issue. I know it sounds like a dream but hey, niwache niote tafadhali, simzui mwengine asiyependa ndoto zakitumaini!

Rule of law is easier to enforce now with the autonomous judiciary. The High Court just ordered CA to restore media airwaves pending a full hearing of their alleged security breaches. Kajwang and those arrested have rights of the accused against the state. We are better than before.

Devolution was meant to reduce the tribalism/identity maneno. Secession or partition cannot happen without bloodshed - you'd be hard pressed to point to any such history. The proponents in NASA mean to use it as a bargain chip for more devolution. Some of us agree that international standards of federalism are 60-40% revenue division - in the US, Germany, Canada, SA, etc.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on February 01, 2018, 11:05:12 PM

Robina, wacha zako, secession has happened without bloodshed like in the old Soviet Union.  But even if there were no examples, that does not mean it cannot happen. You are creating rules and laws which are not written anywhere except self serving to scare away those agitating for freedom. Zimbabwe just ousted a president without violence.  The models you are describing are old. Violence is not the only means to achieve change.  We in NASA believe we do not need an armed conflict to secede or bring about fundamental changes to this country.  Armed conflict does not guarantee sustainable changes because the intellectuals and statesmen have to cede power to the gunmen and their commanders in the bush and when they take over they usually end up as dictators after committing a lot of atrocities during the war. It is very costly in human life but does guarantee reform-Uganda and Rwanda are good examples.  The best way to reform a country like Kenya is through peaceful but forceful and effective resistance. Let them arrest Raila and see how that changes anything. They will never know peace until they change or we secede peacefully. 

Empo, Jubilee alone wields the rungu.

Kanu orphans.. Raila was an intruder, a cunning shamba boy, not a child of the home.
I agree with you. At least you are fair. Empedocles has been trying to make this "Raila is the same" argument for eons using nothing but the time he joined KANU for really just a stint. Because that's really all anyone can find.

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You argue that Raila has loser morals than Kanu. I don't disagree. He was with them but not of them  :)

What does Kichwa make of all this?
I have a feeling from what you say here and above that you meant to say "I disagree" or "I don't agree" and somehow mixed them up. Am I wrong?

I meant Raila is not a Kanu orphan, you're right it was a typo.


You are right. This is not about the law any more. NASA argue that the law is now just a rungu in the hands of an opponent on an unfair playing field. I agree with them. But I don't personally get what the swearing in is/was about. Me, personally? I just want people to get serious about a people driven movement for secession talks without violence. I am waiting for the point at which this will be possible once the steam is out ears and hubris has been beaten out of chests by men all around. Without a serious threat for secession (without violence, I repeat) there will be no restructuring.

Another thing, Africans need to learn that the ideal of Law is a bazungu ideal. It has not yet sunk enough in our culture to become truly ours. It's still a hoped for goal, not an ideal we actually live up to day to day. So I'm hoping we can come to some sort of arrangement that's true to our own reality and that makes identity politics a none issue. I know it sounds like a dream but hey, niwache niote tafadhali, simzui mwengine asiyependa ndoto zakitumaini!

Rule of law is easier to enforce now with the autonomous judiciary. The High Court just ordered CA to restore media airwaves pending a full hearing of their alleged security breaches. Kajwang and those arrested have rights of the accused against the state. We are better than before.

Devolution was meant to reduce the tribalism/identity maneno. Secession or partition cannot happen without bloodshed - you'd be hard pressed to point to any such history. The proponents in NASA mean to use it as a bargain chip for more devolution. Some of us agree that international standards of federalism are 60-40% revenue division - in the US, Germany, Canada, SA, etc.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 02, 2018, 12:39:55 AM
If they don't end up in prison or wind up dead that is - I think MaDVD and Kanu soft boys knows what Gov hard power can do  to people. They've been there and know that. Engaging in treasonous activities is not a joke...last time Raila ended up 9yrs in Kamiti. This time coz of old age & politics they may use other means to drive the point home but for Miguna, Ndii & Joho - they won't get the free pass.
Madvd n the other soft Kanu boys stopped the first swearing in: that is at least clear. They went to presser n RAO was a no show. Yesterday he went ahead and they were a no show. I think Joho, Magaya and even, I hate to say it, Miguna, are the benefeciaries of Raila's clout should he no longer be a factor. People supporting him will not follow any of the principals after this. They'll follow Joho.
Actually, I think it's the other way around. KANU soft boys "play" politics: they have never actually suffered due to politics and are unwilling to start now. Look at Madvd's smooth face and soft body :D That dude probably has never even been held up in a queue for more than a few hours leave alone detained or tortured. The Ndiis, Migunas and RAO himself, are different. It's the same with Uhuru and Ruto. Ruto probably would be willing to risk danger but Uhuru is a soft cerelac baby. He and Madvd probably went to the same nursery school and sang singing games together. Even that Naivasha business was not of his making, alipelekwa na "wazee" and he went with the flow without even seriously contemplating what was going on. I'll give him one point over Madvd in that at least he has faced a real threat to him in the name of ICC. I don't think Madvd has ever even experienced a delayed flight. :D

I think they are the "moderating" influence on NASA.  Putting the breaks on what could possibly be something much further afoot.  I would not be surprised if behind the scenes they are trying to secure some plum positions with the jubilant rogue regime.

I am not sure how much Raila needs them.  I believe he could definitely go over the heads of Weta and MDVD and secure western all by himself.  In Eastern he might still need to rely on the tribal chieftains.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on February 02, 2018, 06:29:36 AM
unfortunately Ouru has nothing to offer them and that is why they will have to stay in NASA. Raila seems to think he still need the and we will probably find out why.  The radicals pushed Raila hard to swear despite the breaks that they tried to apply.  Gauging by the rousing  reception Raila received at Yvonne Wamalwa's funeral, the swearing in is a big hit. It has elevated the radicals in NASA and left the moderates scrambling for relevance.

If they don't end up in prison or wind up dead that is - I think MaDVD and Kanu soft boys knows what Gov hard power can do  to people. They've been there and know that. Engaging in treasonous activities is not a joke...last time Raila ended up 9yrs in Kamiti. This time coz of old age & politics they may use other means to drive the point home but for Miguna, Ndii & Joho - they won't get the free pass.
Madvd n the other soft Kanu boys stopped the first swearing in: that is at least clear. They went to presser n RAO was a no show. Yesterday he went ahead and they were a no show. I think Joho, Magaya and even, I hate to say it, Miguna, are the benefeciaries of Raila's clout should he no longer be a factor. People supporting him will not follow any of the principals after this. They'll follow Joho.
Actually, I think it's the other way around. KANU soft boys "play" politics: they have never actually suffered due to politics and are unwilling to start now. Look at Madvd's smooth face and soft body :D That dude probably has never even been held up in a queue for more than a few hours leave alone detained or tortured. The Ndiis, Migunas and RAO himself, are different. It's the same with Uhuru and Ruto. Ruto probably would be willing to risk danger but Uhuru is a soft cerelac baby. He and Madvd probably went to the same nursery school and sang singing games together. Even that Naivasha business was not of his making, alipelekwa na "wazee" and he went with the flow without even seriously contemplating what was going on. I'll give him one point over Madvd in that at least he has faced a real threat to him in the name of ICC. I don't think Madvd has ever even experienced a delayed flight. :D

I think they are the "moderating" influence on NASA.  Putting the breaks on what could possibly be something much further afoot.  I would not be surprised if behind the scenes they are trying to secure some plum positions with the jubilant rogue regime.

I am not sure how much Raila needs them.  I believe he could definitely go over the heads of Weta and MDVD and secure western all by himself.  In Eastern he might still need to rely on the tribal chieftains.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Dear Mami on February 02, 2018, 08:25:46 AM

Rule of law is easier to enforce now with the autonomous judiciary. The High Court just ordered CA to restore media airwaves pending a full hearing of their alleged security breaches. Kajwang and those arrested have rights of the accused against the state. We are better than before.
Yeah, I was with you until "autonomous judiciary". I suppose you have forgotten the events of 25th October.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on February 02, 2018, 08:44:23 AM
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on February 02, 2018, 08:52:11 AM
I am not sure how much Raila needs them.  I believe he could definitely go over the heads of Weta and MDVD and secure western all by himself.  In Eastern he might still need to rely on the tribal chieftains.

To fully consolidate Western, Babu would need a Western running mate. But that would really paint NASA /ODM as a regional outfit.

If he attempted to do this minus the page boys, he would lose anything up to 30% of his previous performance there, and all this may end up in Jubilee or elsewhere.

Let's just say if Jubilee remains intact, Babu can't afford to lose nothing from the Western, and that's probably why he clings to these sellouts
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on February 02, 2018, 08:55:31 AM
unfortunately Ouru has nothing to offer them and that is why they will have to stay in NASA. Raila seems to think he still need the and we will probably find out why.  The radicals pushed Raila hard to swear despite the breaks that they tried to apply.  Gauging by the rousing  reception Raila received at Yvonne Wamalwa's funeral, the swearing in is a big hit. It has elevated the radicals in NASA and left the moderates scrambling for relevance.

If they don't end up in prison or wind up dead that is - I think MaDVD and Kanu soft boys knows what Gov hard power can do  to people. They've been there and know that. Engaging in treasonous activities is not a joke...last time Raila ended up 9yrs in Kamiti. This time coz of old age & politics they may use other means to drive the point home but for Miguna, Ndii & Joho - they won't get the free pass.
Madvd n the other soft Kanu boys stopped the first swearing in: that is at least clear. They went to presser n RAO was a no show. Yesterday he went ahead and they were a no show. I think Joho, Magaya and even, I hate to say it, Miguna, are the benefeciaries of Raila's clout should he no longer be a factor. People supporting him will not follow any of the principals after this. They'll follow Joho.
Actually, I think it's the other way around. KANU soft boys "play" politics: they have never actually suffered due to politics and are unwilling to start now. Look at Madvd's smooth face and soft body :D That dude probably has never even been held up in a queue for more than a few hours leave alone detained or tortured. The Ndiis, Migunas and RAO himself, are different. It's the same with Uhuru and Ruto. Ruto probably would be willing to risk danger but Uhuru is a soft cerelac baby. He and Madvd probably went to the same nursery school and sang singing games together. Even that Naivasha business was not of his making, alipelekwa na "wazee" and he went with the flow without even seriously contemplating what was going on. I'll give him one point over Madvd in that at least he has faced a real threat to him in the name of ICC. I don't think Madvd has ever even experienced a delayed flight. :D

I think they are the "moderating" influence on NASA.  Putting the breaks on what could possibly be something much further afoot.  I would not be surprised if behind the scenes they are trying to secure some plum positions with the jubilant rogue regime.

I am not sure how much Raila needs them.  I believe he could definitely go over the heads of Weta and MDVD and secure western all by himself.  In Eastern he might still need to rely on the tribal chieftains.
The only radicals elevated by the swearing in are Luos who will develop an even greater sense of entitlement than anybody else who never participated.

How this 'helps' opposition when they are already whining about Luo domination is hard to miss
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: patel on February 02, 2018, 08:57:39 AM
 John Kerry tried that bullshit too Kenya n's trolled him till he had to apologize and just like that sank his 2020 presidential bid. I doubt he still on twitter.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on February 02, 2018, 08:59:43 AM
John Kerry tried that bullshit too Kenya n's trolled him till he had to apologize and just like that sank his 2020 presidential bid. I doubt he still on twitter.

There is negligible to zero sympathy for Babu antics outside our borders. That's the point.

Makes his job twice as hard
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on February 02, 2018, 10:45:43 AM
Now Kibra is lit because of Miguna Miguna
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 02, 2018, 06:36:31 PM

They want to nudge Kenya ever so slightly the way of Kagame.  Kamwana has promised Kenya will continue to provide cannon fodder in Somalia and similar nonsense that the US sees as Kenya's only value.  It's harder for Raila.  But it's not going to be easy for kamwana.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on February 02, 2018, 10:16:15 PM

Rule of law is easier to enforce now with the autonomous judiciary. The High Court just ordered CA to restore media airwaves pending a full hearing of their alleged security breaches. Kajwang and those arrested have rights of the accused against the state. We are better than before.
Yeah, I was with you until "autonomous judiciary". I suppose you have forgotten the events of 25th October.

You're right. I see Matiang'i has refused to switch on the rebel airwaves. What I admire about the liberal western democracies is the strict adherence to the law - Trump has to re-issue his travel bans and criticizes "judicial overreach" but dares not defy the courts. In the East - China, Russia, etc - the state is the law. No charade. Our infant democracy is just pretend rule of law. Are we a democracy or a dictatorship? Hatuna msimamo.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on February 03, 2018, 07:28:44 AM
A fledgling democracy like ours needs leaders who are committed to democracy and the rule of law.  This is what we are fighting for and I am surprised you just discovered that.  If they can commit murder just to steal an election, do you think they really care about the rule of law.  Ouru only sings about the rule of law when it serves his purposes.  We cannot even start to talk about "development" before we restore democracy and the rule of law.


Rule of law is easier to enforce now with the autonomous judiciary. The High Court just ordered CA to restore media airwaves pending a full hearing of their alleged security breaches. Kajwang and those arrested have rights of the accused against the state. We are better than before.
Yeah, I was with you until "autonomous judiciary". I suppose you have forgotten the events of 25th October.

You're right. I see Matiang'i has refused to switch on the rebel airwaves. What I admire about the liberal western democracies is the strict adherence to the law - Trump has to re-issue his travel bans and criticizes "judicial overreach" but dares not defy the courts. In the East - China, Russia, etc - the state is the law. No charade. Our infant democracy is just pretend rule of law. Are we a democracy or a dictatorship? Hatuna msimamo.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on February 03, 2018, 05:47:48 PM
Meanwhile
Miguna has been touring all the stations in Kiambu

From Githunguri to Lari
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 03, 2018, 06:44:08 PM
Meanwhile
Miguna has been touring all the stations in Kiambu

From Githunguri to Lari

All after he was released on bail.  I continue to be amused when folks including Muricans dealing with their own wrecking ball in the White House talk of respecting the constitution.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: vooke on February 03, 2018, 09:21:54 PM
Meanwhile
Miguna has been touring all the stations in Kiambu

From Githunguri to Lari

All after he was released on bail.  I continue to be amused when folks including Muricans dealing with their own wrecking ball in the White House talk of respecting the constitution.

When I looked at Wikileaks, they got most of their analysis of Kenyan politics right. So frighteningly accurate.

Cant say the same of Trumpistan era US, or even the latter term of Osama.

I fingered Somalia
Us is eternally grateful and nothing elses matters. Thats why I said Uhunye can afford to blow some goodwill without serious repercussions

But theres another factor hard to drill past the Babu fans(who often conflate their love for him with patriotism)
To the world at large, Uhunye was rightly elected in October 26th.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on February 03, 2018, 10:45:39 PM
Meanwhile
Miguna has been touring all the stations in Kiambu

From Githunguri to Lari

All after he was released on bail.  I continue to be amused when folks including Muricans dealing with their own wrecking ball in the White House talk of respecting the constitution.

When I looked at Wikileaks, they got most of their analysis of Kenyan politics right. So frighteningly accurate.

Cant say the same of Trumpistan era US, or even the latter term of Osama.

I fingered Somalia
Us is eternally grateful and nothing elses matters. Thats why I said Uhunye can afford to blow some goodwill without serious repercussions

But theres another factor hard to drill past the Babu fans(who often conflate their love for him with patriotism)
To the world at large, Uhunye was rightly elected in October 26th.

This is very true. Not to say Jubilee fans are any different. "Follow the constitution" means follow Uhuru. Save for the violence, in the larger scheme of things, what is happening in Kenya is good for democracy. Sadly our peanut economy cannot stand this level of political activism. We are back to the 90s.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Kichwa on February 04, 2018, 08:57:03 AM
Meanwhile
Miguna has been touring all the stations in Kiambu

From Githunguri to Lari

All after he was released on bail.  I continue to be amused when folks including Muricans dealing with their own wrecking ball in the White House talk of respecting the constitution.

When I looked at Wikileaks, they got most of their analysis of Kenyan politics right. So frighteningly accurate.

Cant say the same of Trumpistan era US, or even the latter term of Osama.

I fingered Somalia
Us is eternally grateful and nothing elses matters. Thats why I said Uhunye can afford to blow some goodwill without serious repercussions

But theres another factor hard to drill past the Babu fans(who often conflate their love for him with patriotism)
To the world at large, Uhunye was rightly elected in October 26th.

This is very true. Not to say Jubilee fans are any different. "Follow the constitution" means follow Uhuru. Save for the violence, in the larger scheme of things, what is happening in Kenya is good for democracy. Sadly our peanut economy cannot stand this level of political activism. We are back to the 90s.

Robina, you have bought into the Jubilee argument that the economy comes first.  Our argument is that you cannot have consequential/transformative growth in the economy/development in a dictatorship and a country fractured by politics of tribalism, corruption and impunity. Shutting down the Media, disobeying court order to release Miguna, and other such egoistic and arrogant dictatorial heavy handedness will never grow the economy.  Ruto still believes he can ride NASA out and ran for a "normal" elections where in his mind NASA will have a candidate, Pundit would come up with a MOAS showing Ruto far ahead, and then all will be well. Now that is wishful thinking. Unless the political manenos are resolved, there will be no economic growth and NASA will not participate in another fake elections.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: RV Pundit on February 04, 2018, 09:29:40 AM
Kichwa continues in his make-belief world. I am glad you've given up kenya politics is non tribal bla de bla that you normally sing. Now dream on as Uhuru finishes is five, Ruto wins 2022 and does his ten.
Robina, you have bought into the Jubilee argument that the economy comes first.  Our argument is that you cannot have consequential/transformative growth in the economy/development in a dictatorship and a country fractured by politics of tribalism, corruption and impunity. Shutting down the Media, disobeying court order to release Miguna, and other such egoistic and arrogant dictatorial heavy handedness will never grow the economy.  Ruto still believes he can ride NASA out and ran for a "normal" elections where in his mind NASA will have a candidate, Pundit would come up with a MOAS showing Ruto far ahead, and then all will be well. Now that is wishful thinking. Unless the political manenos are resolved, there will be no economic growth and NASA will not participate in another fake elections.
Title: Re: Countdown to Genocide
Post by: Nefertiti on February 04, 2018, 12:37:15 PM
Kichwa is my favorite excellent debater just like Omollo. Kichwa will convince you - in flawless Ivy English - that there is no gravity - the gods must be crazy. It's a small detail that Jubilee has 50%+ of the Kenyan vote - MPs, the senate, counties - this is irrelevant and does not give Ruto any mileage. As soon as you "reform" the IEBC you will see that ODM was all along the true winner. This reform is inevitable and imminent and Ruto should in fact just forget about the presidency.

Except that REALITY doesn't back him up.

Kichwa continues in his make-belief world. I am glad you've given up kenya politics is non tribal bla de bla that you normally sing. Now dream on as Uhuru finishes is five, Ruto wins 2022 and does his ten.