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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Globalcitizen12 on November 26, 2017, 10:02:41 AM
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What happened to this fake PhD? Anyway I think this guy can be the next president. If he runs against ruto he would win. Actually he should team up with mudavadi and orengo to run on a new Kenya alliance.
Murang'a won't be supporting ruto. Murang'a is grooming mwangi wa iria to be next president..ruto will pick kiunjuri was his running mate or Kalonzo
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Long and short. Uhuru will appoint DP for Ruto. The appointed person will be Uhuru's proxy. Kenyatta family are keen to stay on power for long period. 50-50 deal will continue btw Ruto and Uhuru. The rest are details.
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Why is the Nyeri Senator making anti Kiunjuri noises? that he's not man enough to be CS.
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Robina no idea why but kiunjuri is known to be a egomaniac. During campus time kiunjuri was beaten in eldoret by kalenjins he almost got killed. My cuzo who witnessed the beating say kiunjuri had a habit of starting fight in bars. This time he started insulting kales and they beat him vilivyo. Kiunjuri was walking in campus with a swollen face and twisted canine
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How naive. The day Uhuru leaves SH will be the day Kenyatta teign in Kenya will be over. Even a Kiunjuri or KaSweetie will not be a Uhuru proxy. They can use their billions to manipulate politicians, but as you have seen with the Mois, when you leave SH then it is over with power.
Long and short. Uhuru will appoint DP for Ruto. The appointed person will be Uhuru's proxy. Kenyatta family are keen to stay on power for long period. 50-50 deal will continue btw Ruto and Uhuru. The rest are details.
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In my own humble opinion Ruto doesn't need Uhuru to campaign for him in mt.kenya, its done so long as they keep the working chemistry. The key is getting the economy humming and I hope they wont introduce silly "stimulus" package which are a waste of resources. Kiunjuri is being attacked by sitting Mps and senators because he can go directly to kawaida mwananchi and appeal to them directly.Kiunjuri also was instrumental in cutting Mutahi kagwe(prince) to size and obviously a number of nyeri aristocrats were not happy. Eprahim Maina is probably the biggest idiot we have for a politician in nyeri but he's loaded.
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Kiunjuri is a loud mouth and a liability..central doesn't tolerate idiots like kiunjuri..he will be gone as soon as Uhuru leaves
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I think he is a clear favourite for DPORK; Kikuyu nation simply lacks a leader with national stature now. Unless you were to rehabilitate Kenneth or Karua.
Kiunjuri is a loud mouth and a liability..central doesn't tolerate idiots like kiunjuri..he will be gone as soon as Uhuru leaves
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I think he is a clear favourite for DPORK; Kikuyu nation simply lacks a leader with national stature now. Unless you were to rehabilitate Kenneth or Karua.
Kiunjuri is a loud mouth and a liability..central doesn't tolerate idiots like kiunjuri..he will be gone as soon as Uhuru leaves
Kiunjuri is a lightweight. He cannot win anyone other than the very poor. Mwangi wa iria has more credibility than kiunjuri..waiguru is the bitch to watch. She is Uhuru's second wife so she can be president using Kenyatta money
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I disagree. Kiunjuri is no lightweight which is why he's being attacked. And he responded with 15mps supporting him. He is quite loaded, street smart, has many years in politics, can connect with kikuyu hollepolei and etc. Mwangi wa Iria or Mwangi wa Equity or Waiguru simply cannot hack being DPORK this soon. This is no a joke.
My bet still remain Ruto-Kiunjuri ticket for 2022.Mwangi wa Iria/Equity have a opening in terms Muranga feeling it their turn after Nyeri-Kiambu but politics is never fair. Let each show their heads...and see how soon they will be viciously cut. If Mwangi wa Iria is already struggling with MCAS - what about national stage? Mwangi wa Iria should aim for CS after governorship like most governors.
Kiunjuri is a lightweight. He cannot win anyone other than the very poor. Mwangi wa iria has more credibility than kiunjuri..waiguru is the bitch to watch. She is Uhuru's second wife so she can be president using Kenyatta money
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Kiunjuri is sticking his neck too early. According to my Oracle central, will split with Nairobi and murang'a going for it. In Meru munya may decide to go for it..
Ruto will end up working with mudavadi and Kalonzo..kiambu and Kikuyu in diaspora will support Ruto..his path to presidency won't be a walk in the park.
If raila holds NASA together then ruto presidency is a pipe dream. Let us talking about ruto presidency in january 2020
Ruto hope is for Uhuru to die .
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In a democracy Kikuyus can make an alliance away from ruto and still rule. If NASA gives Kikuyus dpork or pork position ruto cards will crumble. Ruto credibility in kiambu and nyeri is lower than that of prostitute in kangemi.
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NASA can never give Kikuyu PORK or DP. They are already a big crowd themselves.
In a democracy Kikuyu cannot rule Kenya. Only stealing votes like 2007, 2013 and 2017x2.
In a democracy Kikuyus can make an alliance away from ruto and still rule. If NASA gives Kikuyus dpork or pork position ruto cards will crumble. Ruto credibility in kiambu and nyeri is lower than that of prostitute in kangemi.
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NASA can never give Kikuyu PORK or DP. They are already a big crowd themselves.
In a democracy Kikuyu cannot rule Kenya. Only stealing votes like 2007, 2013 and 2017x2.
In a democracy Kikuyus can make an alliance away from ruto and still rule. If NASA gives Kikuyus dpork or pork position ruto cards will crumble. Ruto credibility in kiambu and nyeri is lower than that of prostitute in kangemi.
That why raila refused to participate in a runoff ..NASA is a dead party ..a party of small powerless tribes..nobody wants votes from wetangula tiriiki tribe
Kadudu
NASA is a sorry party..raila is now throwing a tantrum crying on national TV like a teething baby..the arsehole should let Kalonzo go and he should let mudavadi go home before Indians finish his goods
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NASA can never give Kikuyu PORK or DP. They are already a big crowd themselves.
In a democracy Kikuyu cannot rule Kenya. Only stealing votes like 2007, 2013 and 2017x2.
In a democracy Kikuyus can make an alliance away from ruto and still rule. If NASA gives Kikuyus dpork or pork position ruto cards will crumble. Ruto credibility in kiambu and nyeri is lower than that of prostitute in kangemi.
That is jubilant calculus. Don’t ask me how it works. It is still weird even with GEMA/Kalenjin core. In 2007, Kibaki was apparently able to win with just a GEMA core.
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Interesting. Let talk at 2020 (next week) but Ruto path to statehouse is no longer stoppable. Jubilee is now a big tent - such tribal ideas - will be frown upon. This was by design. That is why Ruto built a big tent - out of 220mps supporting Jubilee - yeap 220 mps - tell me how many are kikuyus (55?) or merus(12?) or from muranga(8?) or from Nairobi(8?).
Dude this is now beyond the small games. The small games we will see btw now and 2022 is NASA splintering into 3 winds; with half joining jubilee to make an even bigger tent.
Kiunjuri is sticking his neck too early. According to my Oracle central, will split with Nairobi and murang'a going for it. In Meru munya may decide to go for it..
Ruto will end up working with mudavadi and Kalonzo..kiambu and Kikuyu in diaspora will support Ruto..his path to presidency won't be a walk in the park.
If raila holds NASA together then ruto presidency is a pipe dream. Let us talking about ruto presidency in january 2020
Ruto hope is for Uhuru to die .
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Windy
Do you have an alternative calculus of how naragolis and giriamas have numbers to win an election
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Windy
Do you have an alternative calculus of how naragolis and giriamas have numbers to win an election
Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Mijikenda, Kisii core will win all day long in a democratic setting. Check census numbers.
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Windy
Do you have an alternative calculus of how naragolis and giriamas have numbers to win an election
Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Mijikenda, Kisii core will win all day long in a democratic setting. Check census numbers.
We have census numbers..even omollo tried to crunch the numbers and he realized a NASA presidency was not gonna happen..take a spreadsheet and show me the winning calculus.i respect numbers
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Windy
Do you have an alternative calculus of how naragolis and giriamas have numbers to win an election
Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Mijikenda, Kisii core will win all day long in a democratic setting. Check census numbers.
We have census numbers..even omollo tried to crunch the numbers and he realized a NASA presidency was not gonna happen..take a spreadsheet and show me the winning calculus.i respect numbers
Just use the latest census numbers. I am on a phone so I can’t put them up. The reason we couldn’t see the August 8th election server data(same data readily shared for the October 26th circus) was not something idle.
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NAsa desperado latest straw. Their win was in the server :) that contained illegal data (statistics).Server data was never hidden. Read only access logs are out there. Full access granted. Morpho who hold the data conducted server audit - server never hacked. There are paper physical forms. They are ballots in ballot boxes until now.
Just use the latest census numbers. I am on a phone so I can’t put them up. The reason we couldn’t see the August 8th election server data(same data readily shared for the October 26th circus) was not something idle.
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Omollo verbatim... 8.3m v 8.2m with broad-brush turnout.
http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=4917.msg36711#msg36711 (http://www.nipate.org/index.php?topic=4917.msg36711#msg36711)
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Windy
Do you have an alternative calculus of how naragolis and giriamas have numbers to win an election
Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Mijikenda, Kisii core will win all day long in a democratic setting. Check census numbers.
We have census numbers..even omollo tried to crunch the numbers and he realized a NASA presidency was not gonna happen..take a spreadsheet and show me the winning calculus.i respect numbers
Below are the 2009 census numbers.
GEMA/Kalenjin Core = 13,916,164
Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Kisii, Mijikenda Core = 17,442,506
A difference of 3.5 million. Almost the entire Kamba contribution.
Now one can make the arguments that NASA has not locked these tribes up or any other twist on demographics, even without data or evidence. But what one cannot do, with a straight face, is to claim that GEMA and Kalenjin are more than them - or that they even come close. If we just assume a straightforward ethnic census, Jubilee loses. All day long.
Kikuyu tribe, 6622576
Luhya tribe, 5338666
Kalenjin tribe, 4967328
Luo tribe, 4044440
Kamba tribe, 3893157
Somali tribe, 2385572
Kisii tribe, 2205669
Mijikenda tribe, 1960574
Meru tribe,1658108
Turkana tribe, 988592
Maasai tribe, 841622
Teso tribe, 338833
Embu tribe, 324092
Taita tribe, 273519
Kuria tribe, 260401
Samburu tribe, 237179
Tharaka tribe, 175905
Mbeere, 168155
Borana, 161399
Basuba, 139271
Swahili, 110614
Gabra, 89515
Orma, 66275
Rendile, 60437
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Lame MOAS. When you finally get time to do full MOAS - based on even census - leave alone registrated votes - we can argue. For instance how many Gusii will vote NASA - 99% like Luo - or 60%? What make them core? Or well revert to usual strongholds or swing or battlegrounds. What about Mijikenda - is 15-20% Jubilee support base that non-core as 1% Kikuyu NASA supporters?
Below are the 2009 census numbers.
GEMA/Kalenjin Core = 13,916,164
Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Kisii, Mijikenda Core = 17,442,506
A difference of 3.5 million. Almost the entire Kamba contribution.
Now one can make the arguments that NASA has not locked these tribes up or any other twist on demographics, even without data or evidence. But what one cannot do, with a straight face, is to claim that GEMA and Kalenjin are more than them - or that they even come close. If we just assume a straightforward ethnic census, Jubilee loses. All day long.
Kikuyu tribe, 6622576
Luhya tribe, 5338666
Kalenjin tribe, 4967328
Luo tribe, 4044440
Kamba tribe, 3893157
Somali tribe, 2385572
Kisii tribe, 2205669
Mijikenda tribe, 1960574
Meru tribe,1658108
Turkana tribe, 988592
Maasai tribe, 841622
Teso tribe, 338833
Embu tribe, 324092
Taita tribe, 273519
Kuria tribe, 260401
Samburu tribe, 237179
Tharaka tribe, 175905
Mbeere, 168155
Borana, 161399
Basuba, 139271
Swahili, 110614
Gabra, 89515
Orma, 66275
Rendile, 60437
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Lame MOAS. When you finally get time to do full MOAS - based on even census - leave alone registrated votes - we can argue. For instance how many Gusii will vote NASA - 99% like Luo - or 60%? What make them core? Or well revert to usual strongholds or swing or battlegrounds. What about Mijikenda - is 15-20% Jubilee support base that non-core as 1% Kikuyu NASA supporters?
Below are the 2009 census numbers.
GEMA/Kalenjin Core = 13,916,164
Luhya, Luo, Kamba, Kisii, Mijikenda Core = 17,442,506
A difference of 3.5 million. Almost the entire Kamba contribution.
Now one can make the arguments that NASA has not locked these tribes up or any other twist on demographics, even without data or evidence. But what one cannot do, with a straight face, is to claim that GEMA and Kalenjin are more than them - or that they even come close. If we just assume a straightforward ethnic census, Jubilee loses. All day long.
Kikuyu tribe, 6622576
Luhya tribe, 5338666
Kalenjin tribe, 4967328
Luo tribe, 4044440
Kamba tribe, 3893157
Somali tribe, 2385572
Kisii tribe, 2205669
Mijikenda tribe, 1960574
Meru tribe,1658108
Turkana tribe, 988592
Maasai tribe, 841622
Teso tribe, 338833
Embu tribe, 324092
Taita tribe, 273519
Kuria tribe, 260401
Samburu tribe, 237179
Tharaka tribe, 175905
Mbeere, 168155
Borana, 161399
Basuba, 139271
Swahili, 110614
Gabra, 89515
Orma, 66275
Rendile, 60437
Like I said
Now one can make the arguments that NASA has not locked these tribes up or any other twist on demographics, even without data or evidence.