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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on October 31, 2017, 04:56:55 PM
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What did he say - Assembly of what to rule kenya - he is gonna insane.
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WE REJECT SHAM ELECTIONS:
NASA CAMPAIGN FOR ELECTORAL JUSTICE AND DEMOCRACY
October 31st 2017
Ladies and gentlemen
The meaningless exercise, a charade purported to be an election, is now behind us.
Today, we return to the hard but essential task of making elections count and democracy work in Kenya. This is in line with the task we assigned ourselves at the beginning of our current journey; that we be the people who will end electoral fraud not only in Kenya but in all of Africa and be the team that will uproot the evil culture of sham elections with pre-determined outcomes.
Let me first express the NASA’s debt of deep gratitude to all Kenyans who heeded our call to keep off the sham election and let Uhuru Kenyatta be the product of a fraud. By heading NASA’s call, we exposed the so-called tyranny of numbers in Jubilee to be a fraud, the 8-million plus votes Uhuru claimed to have secured in August to be fiction and vote-fixing and manipulation of figures by the IEBC to be real.
We gratefully acknowledge the many messages of solidarity received from pro-democracy activists across the globe who have expressed a desire to stand with Kenyans in our quest for electoral justice. We have deeply appreciated and have been immensely inspired by these solidarity messages.
The historical developments which culminated in our call for poll boycott and to add a national resistance wing to NASA formation have been canvassed adequately in our earlier statements. We will mention this context, but only briefly.
Since the Supreme Court annulled the presidential election, our country became deeply divided on the question of holding a free, fair and credible election. This is shocking because no society that calls itself a democracy should be divided on the need for free, fair and credible elections.
A sham election that must not be allowed to stand
On 26th October, the IEBC at the behest of the Jubilee candidates defied the Court, reason, national and international public opinion and their own assessment as revealed by ex-Commissioner Roselyn Akombe and confirmed by Chairman Wafula Chebukati, and conducted a sham election.
We consistently warned that this election was going to be much worse than the previous one. It came to pass. The whole world witnessed that there was no election. The international media has called it “a charade”, a “sham”, “preposterously flawed”, “a historic mistake”, among other things. Even after the NASA’s withdrawal, the local media projected on their television screens results pitting Uhuru Kenyatta and NASA’s Raila Odinga just as they did with the now famously discredited “statistics” of the August 8 election. It seems that they were unable to come up with a new script.
The IEBC was not able to produce a believable voter turnout figure, even though the KIEMS kits are programmed to transmit the same every two hours. The Chairman initially announced a figure of 48 percent which translates to 9.4 million but on realizing how preposterous that was, revised it downwards to 6.55 million which translates to 33 percent. Many observers find even this figure optimistic. IEBC then embarked on manufacturing turn out to show that Uhuru Kenyatta has popular mandate.
The incident where Jubilee MP Alice Wahome physically molested a returning officer for transmitting election results “without her input” was widely reported, complete with footage. What input did the MP want to add in an election result where there was no contest? It can only be to inflate the voter turnout. We have evidence that such “inputs” were provided in several Jubilee strongholds.
Kenyans also witnessed clear indications that IEBC was never in charge of this so-called election. Instead of IEBC giving regular updates as it had promised, our television news got filled with county commissioners, police commanders and Jubilee politicians giving information on the voting process, movement of materials and other aspects of the process that IEBC ought to have been in charge of.
This is in addition to the shambolic organisation witnessed at the Bomas National Tallying Centre on Tuesday and Wednesday, where commissioners and the chairman hardly ever met, and in fact never communicated any joint position to the media or observers. IEBC commissioners got deadlocked on the figures to assign to President Uhuru Kenyatta, in light of the low voter turnout that all Kenyans and indeed the whole world witnessed.
To cut short the long story of a sham and fraudulent exercise, we reiterate that this election must not stand. If allowed to stand, it will make a complete mockery of elections and might well be the end of the ballot as a means of instituting government in Kenya. It will completely destroy public confidence in the vote. Reasonable people will not turn out to vote in elections with pre-determined outcomes. Elections will become coronation rituals for an imperial presidency.
The sham election will render useless the historic Supreme Court ruling that annulled the August 8 presidential election. On the eve of the election, we saw the ominous signs of Uhuru’s threat to “fix the problem in the Supreme Court” when the court failed to raise a quorum to hear a case challenging the legality of the election, on account of willful abstention of some and intimidation of other judges, including the shooting of the Deputy Chief Justice’s security detail the previous evening. The August 8 election was already used to muster a fraudulent parliamentary majority. Both Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto have stated publicly that they intend to use this majority to make constitutional changes. Parliament is on its way to becoming a rubber stamp of the Executive as it was in KANU’s one party state.
The regressive amendment to the election law has now come to force, effectively emasculating the IEBC and the Supreme Court. If this sham election is allowed to stand, what will stop the regime from conducing sham referenda to remove the constitutional provisions that they do not like? Nothing. They will have achieved every despot’s dream which, in the famous words of Lord Hewart of Bury is "to subordinate Parliament, to evade the Courts, and to render the will, or the caprice, of the Executive unfettered and supreme".
The sham election portends a president who is in office unconstitutionally. We have a Constitution with unambiguous provisions on the standards that elections must fulfill. The same Constitution states that the power can only be exercised by DEMOCRATICALLY elected leaders.
A president who is elected in an election that does not comply with the constitution cannot legitimately and constitutionally exercise authority on behalf of the people. If the election is allowed to stand, the highest office in the land will be occupied by a person who has usurped power.
We in NASA are resolute that this sham election cannot and will not be allowed to stand. We will not allow two megalomaniacs to destroy the dream of freedom and democracy that generations have sacrificed and worked so hard for. We shall see to it that we conduct a free, fair and credible presidential election as ordered by the Supreme Court.
NASA’s position on a national dialogue
A national dialogue is being called for from many quarters. NASA is for dialogue. All political differences are resolved through dialogue. NASA has actively pursued dialogue with the IEBC on the reforms required to hold a free, fair and credible elections. The engagement was in vain. We put forward the “irreducible minimum” reforms for free and fair elections. No one challenged them. The bone of contention was that they could not be done within the 60 day window for the fresh election. We leave it to those who argued that bora uchaguzi (any election will do) to mull over what good the farcical election has done.
Before engaging in dialogue, we must also be clear what differences we are sitting down to resolve. Suggestions have been made that what is needed is a compromise between Jubilee and NASA. There are even those who see the crisis as nothing more than a personal feud between Uhuru Kenyatta and Raila Odinga that could be resolved by private arrangement. This view is mistaken.
The political crisis we are in is about free and fair elections specifically and fundamentally about democracy, constitutionalism and the rule of law. The Supreme Court ordered a repeat election held in compliance with the constitution and the law. The order has not been complied with. It must be. It is in our best interest that we do so sooner rather than later.
Our programme of action
National resistance campaign
As we announced last week, NASA has two organs: the Coalition’s parliamentary party (PP) and the National Resistance Movement. The resistance movement shall be responsible for implementing a vigorous positive political action programme that includes economic boycotts, peaceful processions picketing and other legitimate protests. If there is no justice for the people, let there be no peace for the government.
People’s Assembly
Governments are not above constitutions. And constitutions are not above the people. The people retain ownership of sovereign power. This is the reason why all progressive constitutions, the people reserve the right to exercise their sovereignty directly. The fate of all governments that usurp and abuse power is to fall. We have obligated ourselves to respect, obey and defend our Constitution. We are now compelled by this obligation to chart our way back to democracy, constitutionalism and the rule law.
We announce today the establishment of a People’s Assembly. The People’s Assembly is the vehicle through which we will exercise the solemn duty of restoring democracy, constitutionalism and the rule of law. The People’s Assembly will be a broad based forum consisting of elected leaders and the leadership of other sectors of society in particular workers, civil society, religious leaders, women, youth and economic interest groups.
We will be announcing the date and programme of the Assembly’s inaugural convention in the coming days. The People’s Assembly will continue to exist until a legitimate presidency is restored.
As part of the People’s Assembly, NASA is forming a Task Force to look into the systemic governance weaknesses that have precipitated the unfolding political crisis, including but not limited to;
i. The systemic continuing failure of electoral bodies, and the electoral system in general
ii. Performance of national security organs and the abuse thereof by the Executive.
iii. The political architecture and the structure of the Executive and Parliament in particular.
iv. Protection and safeguarding devolution.
v. Exclusion and discrimination in the allocation or distribution of public resources.
vi. The continued inability of the State, and our society in general, to deal with the root causes of political strife in particular poverty, unemployment, extreme inequality, economic marginalization and historical grievances.
We anticipate that the Task Force recommendations will include constitutional amendments that will be presented to the People’s Assembly for adoption, and thereafter to the County Assemblies for ratification.
We call upon all County Assemblies to pass resolutions supporting the establishment of the People’s Assembly.
Defence of the right to peaceful protest
Peaceful protest is an inalienable political right, is one of the most important freedoms that we have secured for ourselves in our 2010 Constitution. “Every person has a right, peaceably and unarmed, to assemble, to demonstrate, to picket and to present petitions to public authorities” (Art.37).
Since the announcement of the August 8 election, the Jubilee government has sought to criminalize dissent. Over 60 Kenyans including children have died needless deaths and many more maimed at the hands of would be despots seeking to impose their will on the people. A system of government where dissent is criminalized has a name— it is called a totalitarian state.
We are often reminded that the eternal 28vigilance is the price we must pay for liberty. So, we will guard our right to dissent by exercising it. We will continue to assemble, to demonstrate, to picket and to present petition to public authorities as often as we choose.
God Bless Kenya.
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I’ve heard some new language from NASWA, first from Janet and then from Otiende Amollo
They are suggesting that they are no longer certain of Independence of the Judiciary as they was during and following the petition.
I’m not sure if this is sincere or it is just a ready excuse should SCOK throw away their petition.
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I’ve heard some new language from NASWA, first from Janet and then from Otiende Amollo
They are suggesting that they are no longer certain of Independence of the Judiciary as they was during and following the petition.
I’m not sure if this is sincere or it is just a ready excuse should SCOK throw away their petition.
The no-show on 25th had many people thinking the same way, at home and internationally. It's a wide perception. This gives them a good basis to make this claim, whatever their intentions may be.
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NRM then People Assembly next Politubro next ..talk of getting stuck btw hard and bad place.Raila is trying to reinvent himself and kalonzo is a fool not to see through this.Best strategy for Jubilee is to continue converting sober governors to join jubilee...no need bring the top garbage like kalonzo or wetangula on board ..they can continue being Raila biatches.
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I’ve heard some new language from NASWA, first from Janet and then from Otiende Amollo
They are suggesting that they are no longer certain of Independence of the Judiciary as they was during and following the petition.
I’m not sure if this is sincere or it is just a ready excuse should SCOK throw away their petition.
The no-show on 25th had many people thinking the same way, at home and internationally. It's a wide perception. This gives them a good basis to make this claim, whatever their intentions may be.
It could be argued it started right after it was discovered that at least 4 guys in SCOK are independent. The ridiculous EACC attempts at going after the registrar. The attack on Mwilu's bodyguard and subsequent vanishing for 4 judges. The vanishing of Court of Appeal only to emerge under cover of darkness to stay Odunga's ruling on ROs. If we are dealing with a country with credible institutions like Denmark, these events would be suspect. In Kenya, it's pretty obvious what is happening.
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I’ve heard some new language from NASWA, first from Janet and then from Otiende Amollo
They are suggesting that they are no longer certain of Independence of the Judiciary as they was during and following the petition.
I’m not sure if this is sincere or it is just a ready excuse should SCOK throw away their petition.
The no-show on 25th had many people thinking the same way, at home and internationally. It's a wide perception. This gives them a good basis to make this claim, whatever their intentions may be.
It could be argued it started right after it was discovered that at least 4 guys in SCOK are independent. The ridiculous EACC attempts at going after the registrar. The attack on Mwilu's bodyguard and subsequent vanishing for 4 judges. The vanishing of Court of Appeal only to emerge under cover of darkness to stay Odunga's ruling on ROs. If we are dealing with a country with credible institutions like Denmark, these events would be suspect. In Kenya. it's pretty obvious what is happening.
Indeed. It started with the "we shall revisit", the fake JSC smearing petitions and all you have mentioned. Still, people had faith the judiciary was holding its own, refusing to be intimidated, until 25th. The 25th is when doubts entered many people. Personally, I totally disagreed with the case before the court (I didn't see it as a constitutional problem but a political problem that the court could not appropriately resolve) but I firmly expected all the judges to be present, hear the matter, and then decide basically that the court was absolutely the wrong forum for the types of solutions sought. What I did not see coming was the Houdini. I can't blame any judge, personally. It's surely a miracle that they have shown the courage they have so far.
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Termie and Kadame,
Good points. I concede their fears are well founded.
Babu’s speech lacked the magic word- Petition as well as the magic number 3.5M. Quite possible thy are attempting to catch Jubilee by surprise.
Day 2 and no Petition has been filed though I’ve heard Miguna saying he knows of at least 2
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Chance of another petition are so remote don't even entertain such a thought. The middle finger Raila gave to SCORK judges after they granted him unprecedented second bite in Africa is going to work against any petition..he basically used the judgement as carte' blanche to ran roughshold over IEBC and finally withdrwaw. I think judges expect that he would use the second chance to vigorously campaign and try his luck.As for the lie that fraud emanated from Jubilee...it came right through SCORK's Njoki Ndugu whose minority opinion basically tore apart the majority facts. That is going to stink for sometimes. That SCORK basically lazily relied on Nyakakia nonsense without checking any of those forms...like they are expected to do.
In short this is concession speech for Raila and his attempt to look for another excuse to ran again in 2022. Kalonzo is the biggest loser today.
Anyway I am glad he has disregarded the bad advice from Orengo & Muthama to "swear" himself as People President - a treasonable offence . Although he is not PORK - he is a billionaire who enjoy lots of privellege - and If he continues with his path to militia - he may soon enjoy Kamiti with hardened criminals.
Best cut your losses...militia or other treasonable nonsense will make a bad situation worse. Cut you losses and wait for 2022...GEMA may not be that enthusiastic about Ruto..so there is some slight opening there
Termie and Kadame,
Good points. I concede their fears are well founded.
Babu’s speech lacked the magic word- Petition as well as the magic number 3.5M. Quite possible thy are attempting to catch Jubilee by surprise.
Day 2 and no Petition has been filed though I’ve heard Miguna saying he knows of at least 2
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Indeed. It started with the "we shall revisit", the fake JSC smearing petitions and all you have mentioned. Still, people had faith the judiciary was holding its own, refusing to be intimidated, until 25th. The 25th is when doubts entered many people. Personally, I totally disagreed with the case before the court (I didn't see it as a constitutional problem but a political problem that the court could not appropriately resolve) but I firmly expected all the judges to be present, hear the matter, and then decide basically that the court was absolutely the wrong forum for the types of solutions sought. What I did not see coming was the Houdini. I can't blame any judge, personally. It's surely a miracle that they have shown the courage they have so far.
My view too. The court should have sat and thrown out the petition. As it is, Jubilee has now learned that it can cow the judiciary. I don't expect it to end there. We can expect that in the next few years the same methods will be applied to lower courts.
Also, it is not just with the judiciary that Jubilee has learned some "useful" lessons. Corruption is another, and the lesson is that no amount of noise, from wherever, will make any difference. I expect some serious "kula nyama" in the next five years.
Generally, numerous institutions that were supposed to make a difference have turned out to be totally useless: IEBC, NCIC, IPOA, ... all costly jokes. No need to get into the deep-rooted, but generally tolerated, incompetence that defines the entire civil service.
Countries tend to go to the dogs in a "small small" way, and Kenya seems to have embarked on "forward to the dark past" path. And, because it is and will be "small small", most people will go along until it is too late.
For a student of history, what is happening is actually fascinating in a way. One often wonders "just how did this country get to this deplorable point? why were such bad choices and decisions made at this or that junction? etc.". Now we get to see it happening "live". And what is especially fascinating about the Kenyan version is that we have been there before, decided that we'd had enough and wanted something quite different, but we are now "rebooting" to disaster.
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My view too. The court should have sat and thrown out the petition. As it is, Jubilee has now learned that it can cow the judiciary. I don't expect it to end there. We can expect that in the next few years the same methods will be applied to lower courts.
Also, it is not just with the judiciary that Jubilee has learned some "useful" lessons. Corruption is another, and the lesson is that no amount of noise, from wherever, will make any difference. I expect some serious "kula nyama" in the next five years.
Generally, numerous institutions that were supposed to make a difference have turned out to be totally useless: IEBC, NCIC, IPOA, ... all costly jokes. No need to get into the deep-rooted, but generally tolerated, incompetence that defines the entire civil service.
Countries tend to go to the dogs in a "small small" way, and Kenya seems to have embarked on "forward to the dark past" path. And, because it is and will be "small small", most people will go along until it is too late.
For a student of history, what is happening is actually fascinating in a way. One often wonders "just how did this country get to this deplorable point? why were such bad choices and decisions made at this or that junction? etc.". Now we get to see it happening "live". And what is especially fascinating about the Kenyan version is that we have been there before, decided that we'd had enough and wanted something quite different, but we are now "rebooting" to disaster.
Quite sad nothing is independent of Jubilee
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There is this falacy that you can have world class institution in third class country..not gonna happen...almost all our everything will be better than Uganda but less than South Africa.And everything will get better slowly with everything.
...or worse with everything.Dont expect world class judiciary in corrupt society.We need to build incremental gains all over the place...not delude ourselves that we can fix this or that when everything else is unfixed.We need to fix everything pole pole one tiny step forward....coz this huge ship.Jubilee seem to get this incrimental approach...nasa are kichwa mbaya type who think complex and complicated issues like country development can be fixed in fornight or generation.Never gonna happen.Celebrate small tiny sustainable steps like economy growth of 5% about to now last generation.The you have single issues morons who think country is one cell amoeba...do fix this first then go to next...
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There is this falacy that you can have world class institution in third class country..not gonna happen...almost all our everything will be better than Uganda but less than South Africa.And everything will get better slowly with everything.
...or worse with everything.Dont expect world class judiciary in corrupt society.
As usual, you've missed the point. Drunk on 20 litres of milk or something?
Here it is: "world class institutions" don't just fall out of the sky, and "third class" countries don't suddenly wake up and find that they are "first class". The changes require serious, focus, and sustained efforts. Undermining existing embryonic institutions, robbing the country blind ... slowly working back to a bad past do not constitute such efforts. Nor does sitting on one's backside and hoping that, through some miracle, "everything will get better slowly with everything".
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"We must overturn the system because I lost."
No but no thanks. Those issues he raises are manifesto material - he should try them in 2022. If he is so noble why can't he use his might to reign in corruption, just as an example? But PM, deputy PM - new "structure" - that his groupies are floating around - sorry no takers.
Let him go ahead with the economic sabotage - his true colors will show with time - for those too blind to see them now.
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Poverty, corruption, disease, drought - 3rd world problems - are being listed as the reasons an election loser should be given a second bite at the cherry. What does marginalization have to do with NASA's loss? :D:D
There is this falacy that you can have world class institution in third class country..not gonna happen...almost all our everything will be better than Uganda but less than South Africa.And everything will get better slowly with everything.
...or worse with everything.Dont expect world class judiciary in corrupt society.We need to build incremental gains all over the place...not delude ourselves that we can fix this or that when everything else is unfixed.We need to fix everything pole pole one tiny step forward....coz this huge ship.Jubilee seem to get this incrimental approach...nasa are kichwa mbaya type who think complex and complicated issues like country development can be fixed in fornight or generation.Never gonna happen.Celebrate small tiny sustainable steps like economy growth of 5% about to now last generation.The you have single issues morons who think country is one cell amoeba...do fix this first then go to next...
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Pundit - NASA are not confused, naive or grandiose. They simply loathe democracy - so they want to run the country - regardless of the comprehensive loss at the ballot. Their ideas may be ok - but Kenyans just gave them the middle finger - and renewed Jubilee's mandate.
Democracy ilikuja na meli.
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Moonki...law of average or mean or normal distributions..says everything will tend toward the average.if you copy usa constitution and institutions and apply it on poor corrupt country then its a matter of time.I mean we had same situation in 63.I agree it take long time and focus to make anything happen...i disagree we are not doing that..changes youre expecting can only be visible a generation or two.We are moving forward
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Here it is: "world class institutions" don't just fall out of the sky, and "third class" countries don't suddenly wake up and find that they are "first class". The changes require serious, focus, and sustained efforts. Undermining existing embryonic institutions, robbing the country blind ... slowly working back to a bad past do not constitute such efforts. Nor does sitting on one's backside and hoping that, through some miracle, "everything will get better slowly with everything".
Exactly. Many people think bazungu just created working institutions the way a plant grows from a seed. There are African countries with institutions that do work, and I don't mean S.A. Without political will, you will be here until people grow tired enough to rip everything apart in a bloody revolution. For sure, the constitution, devolution and the new judiciary never would have happened without 2007 PEV. But it's just better when you don't have to wait for that kind of thing to make meaningful changes. I consider people tired enough to be calling for secession to be a sign we need to move faster in fixing our stuff.
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Moonki...law of average or mean or normal distributions..says everything will tend toward the average.if you copy usa constitution and institutions and apply it on poor corrupt country then its a matter of time.I mean we had same situation in 63.I agree it take long time and focus to make anything happen...i disagree we are not doing that..changes youre expecting can only be visible a generation or two.We are moving forward
Yes, that's it. Just copy, sit back, and wait for "law of average or mean or normal distributions" to work ... as has happened with quite a few countries that have made tremendous progress in the last 50 years (or even just 20 years). Thanks for the clarification.
Law of averages
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As invoked in everyday life, the "law" usually reflects wishful thinking or a poor understanding of statistics rather than any mathematical principle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_averages
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Pundit you keep repeating that SCOK judges expected Raila to campaign vigorously. Where's that from? The September 1 ruling that overturned the first heist was very polite. By the same token, it might be said the same judges who spared us naming election thieves expressly also expected the dynamic duo to resign in shame. Lakini hawana haya.
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Anyway from that twisted logic... that Mr Odinga won with 62% - due to the violent boycott - we were to get a People's PORK. Seems we have to settle for the People's Assembly - cause they believe in the parliamentary system. Once the petition is tossed out - we can have a nyalgunga kangaroo court - the People's Judiciary :D
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If you listen very carefully - you will hear the real "problem" - which is the Kikuyu-Kalenjin ping pong :). We can't beat them so screw the system. Let's find a new path... called the parliamentary system. Reforms my foot.
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Robina you don't think a Kalenjin-Kikuyu pingpong (looting spree) is not a problem in a country of 43 tribes?
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Robina you don't think a Kalenjin-Kikuyu pingpong (looting spree) is not a problem in a country of 43 tribes?
The looting is not just by the Kikuyu and Kalenjin. It's systematically being committed all across the country.
Why nobody sees the connection between the 2010 constitution (more positions/institutions = more corruption ) and the unraveling of our country beats me. The new constitution could never address the patronage system of government. It simply entrenched it.
As I've always said, the problem was never the constitution, starting from independence.
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Robina you don't think a Kalenjin-Kikuyu pingpong (looting spree) is not a problem in a country of 43 tribes?
The looting is not just by the Kikuyu and Kalenjin. It's systematically being committed all across the country.
Why nobody sees the connection between the 2010 constitution (more positions/institutions = more corruption ) and the unraveling of our country beats me. The new constitution could never address the patronage system of government. It simply entrenched it.
As I've always said, the problem was never the constitution, starting from independence.
Well, Raila to be fair fought for only 14 regional govts but was defeated by PNU in Naivasha. He also fought for a parliamentary system but was similarly thwarted. He fought for significantly more devolution, same story. If PNU/Jubilee weren't so out to oppose the man just for the sake of it, a lot of these structural issues would not exist. That said, while I agree that a constitution by itself was not the end-all-be-all solution to all our problems, the idea that the old one was not in its own right a major source of problems is also not true. There is a reason the first order of business for Uhuru's dad was to destroy the first constitution and its checks, regionalism and strong bicameral house, and replace it with an imperial presidency within the first 4 years of bazungu leaving.
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Robina you don't think a Kalenjin-Kikuyu pingpong (looting spree) is not a problem in a country of 43 tribes?
The looting is not just by the Kikuyu and Kalenjin. It's systematically being committed all across the country.
Why nobody sees the connection between the 2010 constitution (more positions/institutions = more corruption ) and the unraveling of our country beats me. The new constitution could never address the patronage system of government. It simply entrenched it.
As I've always said, the problem was never the constitution, starting from independence.
Well, Raila to be fair fought for only 14 regional govts but was defeated by PNU in Naivasha. He also fought for a parliamentary system but was similarly thwarted. He fought for significantly more devolution, same story. If PNU/Jubilee weren't so out to oppose the man just for the sake of it, a lot of these structural issues would not exist. That said, while I agree that a constitution by itself was not the end-all-be-all solution to all our problems, the idea that the old one was not in its own right a major source of problems is also not true. There is a reason the first order of business for Uhuru's dad was to destroy the first constitution and its checks, regionalism and strong bicameral house, and replace it with an imperial presidency within the first 4 years of bazungu leaving.
Agreed.
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No I don't. It's democracy.
Robina you don't think a Kalenjin-Kikuyu pingpong (looting spree) is not a problem in a country of 43 tribes?
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It seems we are resigned to looting (sad if you ask me). If that be the case, let all 43 tribes get a chance. The pingpong duo tribes have had enough at our expense. Pundit glorifies looting here almost daily and Robina seems to have joined him lately. Albeit reluctantly. Arap Mashamba takes it as of right.
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No I don't. It's democracy.
Robina you don't think a Kalenjin-Kikuyu pingpong (looting spree) is not a problem in a country of 43 tribes?
A series of stolen elections is not democracy.
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No I don't. It's democracy.
Robina you don't think a Kalenjin-Kikuyu pingpong (looting spree) is not a problem in a country of 43 tribes?
A series of stolen elections is not democracy.
Okay. Don't worry I was NASA too. Until the evidence grew thin. And the parallel tallying center failed to produce anything convincing. But they totally lost me when they invented the right to be peacefully armed with bonfires and rocks. :o
Okey-Dokey.
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No I don't. It's democracy.
Robina you don't think a Kalenjin-Kikuyu pingpong (looting spree) is not a problem in a country of 43 tribes?
A series of stolen elections is not democracy.
Okay. Don't worry I was NASA too. Until the evidence grew thin. And the parallel tallying center failed to produce anything convincing. But they totally lost me when they invented the right to be peacefully armed with bonfires and rocks. :o
Okey-Dokey.
ODM lost me when I personally witnessed firsthand the mind-boggling looting they engaged in during the coalition government after the PEV.
That's when I woke up from my self-induced slumber and knew without a doubt that there was no difference whatsoever between Rao (ex Sec-Gen of KANU) and the rest of the KANU orphans.