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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Kichwa on October 01, 2017, 08:57:44 PM

Title: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: Kichwa on October 01, 2017, 08:57:44 PM
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/opinion/Jubilee-decision-to-take-Kenya-backward-surely-bound-to-fail/440808-4117898-ov6to/index.html

There is little doubt that we are headed for big trouble. The Supreme Court decision should have sent a signal that those ruling needed to obey the Constitution and laws, and cultivate more participation, more humility, and more inclusivity.
But alas, Jubilee Party has decided to take the exact opposite approach, adopting the classical dictator’s tactics of “might is right.” These tactics, clearly learned during the disastrous Moi regime, are about bulldozing their will on us, breaking the law whenever they want, and to change the law willy-nilly to suit their wants.
And their wants are simply about retaining power, any which way, including stealing elections.
We have seen Museveni type tactics used by the police without shame (whatever happened to the DFID and USAID funded police reform?) on MPs Babu Owino and Otiende Amollo.
OFFENSIVE JIBE
Mr Owino may have called somebody a “son of a bitch,” which is a common euphemism used in everyday speech, but why was Mr Uhuru Kenyatta not arrested for insulting Chief Justice Maraga and some of his other judges when he called them “wakora,” a far more offensive jibe?
There is also the attempt to stop Messrs Kalonzo Musyoka and Moses Wetang'ula from flying out of the country, on the guise that they needed “clearance.” That is not only unconstitutional, but it is also juvenile. But it speaks volumes about the direction that Jubilee wants to take us: force their domination on us, try to see if we are intimidated, and then force a culture of silence and fear.
As all this is going on, Jubilee MPs decided to force amendments to election laws so that they can get the result they want, Kenyan voters be darned!
READ: House fast-tracks two election Bills
Some Jubilee supporters urge that we look at the contents of the proposed amendments, citing one that would allow any Commissioner to declare results in the absence of the Chairperson, but the process of enacting law is as important as the content, and one (very abusable) provision can’t be reason to force the amendments.
VIOLENCE
Elections are Kenya’s almighty trigger for violence. This is because we — rightly or wrongly — take elections as the route to addressing some of our age-old grievances. No other issue demands as much for consultations, negotiations and compromise. So much trouble can be avoided if clear thinking people would prevail on the Jubilee hierarchy.
Yet Jubilants proceed as though they are the only Kenyans who matter. That may be true now, but it will not be in a few weeks, months or years. For as night follows day, there will be reaction to these actions and attempts to take us backward. The 19988 mlolongo elections, and the 2007 Kibaki appointments to the Election Commission, should have taught us that. Let us hope that the reaction, when it does come, does not result in killings, murder, rapes and chaos.
CRISIS
In times of crisis, and we are firmly in one, statesmen and stateswomen are revealed by those who urge reasonableness and compromise. No matter what we may think of the Supreme Court judgment, the fact that it found that there were violations of the law, and the fact that IEBC chairman Wafula Chebukati has outlined some of the illegal internal manoeuvres by the Secretariat, should have resulted in the swift resignation of Ezra Chiloba. Once a decent and honourable man, this Mr Chiloba is a different person and he will bear huge responsibility for the chaos that will surely follow.
Mr Kenyatta has bared his fangs, and he is happy to telegraph what he can and wants to do. He has made a choice to take the country backward, naively imagining that he can turn back the clock back as his friend Mr Museveni has done so well in Uganda. He will fail, of that I am certain, because Kenyans are in a different zone, even if that means communities and regions seeking self-determination.
I hope Mr William Ruto realises that this sort of zeal from Mr Kenyatta, this approach of getting what he wants, may come back to affect him, if Mr Kenyatta returns to power. For if he can do this to get to power, why should he ever leave power at the end of 2022?
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: vooke on October 01, 2017, 09:04:06 PM
Kiai is just regurgitating NASWA’s stale DPORK-vs-PORK garbage
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: patel on October 01, 2017, 10:31:56 PM
Kiai always on point....we are headed straight to awaiting iceberg, no one's knows what will be left of the country formerly known as kenya.

On ababu owino insults I think it has worked for once the jubilee is insult free even kitrndawili jibe is absent. They have finally realized they do not have monopoly on insults.
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: Omollo on October 01, 2017, 11:02:57 PM
That is the best your brain could come up with after analyzing what is written? So what is the point of making all the criticism you do on this board if you can derogatorily dismiss Kiai with a Jubilee talking point?

Concentrate less on where the truth comes from as you assess the facts. A goat could well speak the truth.

Kiai is just regurgitating NASWA’s stale DPORK-vs-PORK garbage
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: Kichwa on October 01, 2017, 11:11:53 PM

They wanted to enforce respect for Ouru but now you have politicians scream "Harambee" and the people reply "mtoto wa mbwa".  What a waste of time.

Kiai always on point....we are headed straight to awaiting iceberg, no one's knows what will be left of the country formerly known as kenya.

On ababu owino insults I think it has worked for once the jubilee is insult free even kitrndawili jibe is absent. They have finally realized they do not have monopoly on insults.
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: Omollo on October 01, 2017, 11:20:40 PM
You want to start arresting politicians.... well you gonna get a lot of volunteers, especially if you so clearly reveal what buttons they have to push to get arrested. I know an old man Moi arrested for saying "Moi si Baba ya Taifa.. Odinga ndiye ...".

Wesonga Sijeyo grew old in jail. He called Kenyatta "mavi". He was offered freedom if he apologized. He declined. Not everybody is scared of prison or torture or death.

Jomo Gecaga went to Maraga's office accompanied by Muhoro and Kameru to tell him if he did not read the Njoki judgment (which they had in their hands) he would be killed or his children etc. Maraga started praying and they left.


They wanted to enforce respect for Ouru but now you have politicians scream "Harambee" and the people reply "mtoto wa mbwa".  What a waste of time.

Kiai always on point....we are headed straight to awaiting iceberg, no one's knows what will be left of the country formerly known as kenya.

On ababu owino insults I think it has worked for once the jubilee is insult free even kitrndawili jibe is absent. They have finally realized they do not have monopoly on insults.
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: bryan275 on October 02, 2017, 01:56:49 AM
You want to start arresting politicians.... well you gonna get a lot of volunteers, especially if you so clearly reveal what buttons they have to push to get arrested. I know an old man Moi arrested for saying "Moi si Baba ya Taifa.. Odinga ndiye ...".

Wesonga Sijeyo grew old in jail. He called Kenyatta "mavi". He was offered freedom if he apologized. He declined. Not everybody is scared of prison or torture or death.

Jomo Gecaga went to Maraga's office accompanied by Muhoro and Kameru to tell him if he did not read the Njoki judgment (which they had in their hands) he would be killed or his children etc. Maraga started praying and they left.


They wanted to enforce respect for Ouru but now you have politicians scream "Harambee" and the people reply "mtoto wa mbwa".  What a waste of time.

Kiai always on point....we are headed straight to awaiting iceberg, no one's knows what will be left of the country formerly known as kenya.

On ababu owino insults I think it has worked for once the jubilee is insult free even kitrndawili jibe is absent. They have finally realized they do not have monopoly on insults.

Like I said before, threatening a staunch Christian with death is a waste of time as death is the gateway to paradise.

These thieving bastards.  Njoki will need to be dealt with legally, she's an insurgent whose only purpose is to destroy our democracy and basic human rights.
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: MOON Ki on October 02, 2017, 09:41:38 PM
Even small-small, it doesn't take very long to ruin a country's system of governance and the country with it.  All going to end in tears, but apparently people can't stop themselves.   At this rate Kenyans will end up in a place they have been before, asking "how exactly did we get here?".    But who cares.  Still, it's actually fascinating to see this happen in a sort of bizarre  "real-time but slow-motion" ...    Mind you, Kenyans are also always starving and begging for food, no matter the past experience and warnings and notices and what-not. 

Is there something about the Kenyan head that makes it "immune" to learning from past experience and incapable of contemplating the eventual outcome of present behaviour, be it of action or  inaction?  Truly fascinating.   On a national level, the political version of the "seemingly intelligent" or at least "sufficiently experienced" guy who, after getting hit with "it", prays fervently and writes out new "resolutions" ... gets his "shots" and  recovers, ...., and then heads right back to K street!  And old story that never ends well.
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: Kichwa on October 02, 2017, 10:36:22 PM
Example of Different time zone.  The other day the youth  in KSM were complaining to the police for not tear gassing them and yet they pay taxes.
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: vooke on October 02, 2017, 10:56:19 PM
That is the best your brain could come up with after analyzing what is written? So what is the point of making all the criticism you do on this board if you can derogatorily dismiss Kiai with a Jubilee talking point?

Concentrate less on where the truth comes from as you assess the facts. A goat could well speak the truth.

Kiai is just regurgitating NASWA’s stale DPORK-vs-PORK garbage

Raw nerve ain't it?

Last paragraph is all it took to discard any little sense I read before it.

Kiai is a good boy, but like Makau, he is hopelessly partisan. He's the go-to guy for anti-Uhuruto one liners
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: Kichwa on October 02, 2017, 11:38:31 PM
what do you mean?   Red

That is the best your brain could come up with after analyzing what is written? So what is the point of making all the criticism you do on this board if you can derogatorily dismiss Kiai with a Jubilee talking point?

Concentrate less on where the truth comes from as you assess the facts. A goat could well speak the truth.

Kiai is just regurgitating NASWA’s stale DPORK-vs-PORK garbage

Raw nerve ain't it?

Last paragraph is all it took to discard any little sense I read before it.

Kiai is a good boy, but like Makau, he is hopelessly partisan. He's the go-to guy for anti-Uhuruto one liners
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on October 03, 2017, 02:09:27 AM
Even small-small, it doesn't take very long to ruin a country's system of governance and the country with it.  All going to end in tears, but apparently people can't stop themselves.   At this rate Kenyans will end up in a place they have been before, asking "how exactly did we get here?".    But who cares.  Still, it's actually fascinating to see this happen in a sort of bizarre  "real-time but slow-motion" ...    Mind you, Kenyans are also always starving and begging for food, no matter the past experience and warnings and notices and what-not. 

Is there something about the Kenyan head that makes it "immune" to learning from past experience and incapable of contemplating the eventual outcome of present behaviour, be it of action or  inaction?  Truly fascinating.   On a national level, the political version of the "seemingly intelligent" or at least "sufficiently experienced" guy who, after getting hit with "it", prays fervently and writes out new "resolutions" ... gets his "shots" and  recovers, ...., and then heads right back to K street!  And old story that never ends well.

I had a good laugh on this .it won't learn ..the ever peculiar Kenyan ..some will say mahendeleo is full speed, our 10k kilometer tarmac, our Sgr first in Africa, our mumbeca you press and getting mbeca instantly, our trillion shillings budget, our malls and we building a lapset ..then have your yheard about our oil
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: Kichwa on October 03, 2017, 03:16:46 AM
do not forget our skyscrapers. Eventually it will all trickledown  to that lady whose child is dying in her arms of malaria and hunger because there is no food, no doctors and nurses are on strike.

Even small-small, it doesn't take very long to ruin a country's system of governance and the country with it.  All going to end in tears, but apparently people can't stop themselves.   At this rate Kenyans will end up in a place they have been before, asking "how exactly did we get here?".    But who cares.  Still, it's actually fascinating to see this happen in a sort of bizarre  "real-time but slow-motion" ...    Mind you, Kenyans are also always starving and begging for food, no matter the past experience and warnings and notices and what-not. 

Is there something about the Kenyan head that makes it "immune" to learning from past experience and incapable of contemplating the eventual outcome of present behaviour, be it of action or  inaction?  Truly fascinating.   On a national level, the political version of the "seemingly intelligent" or at least "sufficiently experienced" guy who, after getting hit with "it", prays fervently and writes out new "resolutions" ... gets his "shots" and  recovers, ...., and then heads right back to K street!  And old story that never ends well.

I had a good laugh on this .it won't learn ..the ever peculiar Kenyan ..some will say mahendeleo is full speed, our 10k kilometer tarmac, our Sgr first in Africa, our mumbeca you press and getting mbeca instantly, our trillion shillings budget, our malls and we building a lapset ..then have your yheard about our oil
Title: Re: We are in a different time zone-Maina Kiai.
Post by: vooke on October 03, 2017, 07:00:19 AM
what do you mean?   Red

That is the best your brain could come up with after analyzing what is written? So what is the point of making all the criticism you do on this board if you can derogatorily dismiss Kiai with a Jubilee talking point?

Concentrate less on where the truth comes from as you assess the facts. A goat could well speak the truth.

Kiai is just regurgitating NASWA’s stale DPORK-vs-PORK garbage

Raw nerve ain't it?

Last paragraph is all it took to discard any little sense I read before it.

Kiai is a good boy, but like Makau, he is hopelessly partisan. He's the go-to guy for anti-Uhuruto one liners
I mean there is a place for activism in Kenia. That's why Boniface Mwangi is my numero uno boy. I wish he won Starehe. He has solid credentials no doubt. Jubilee needs some serious eyeballing, it's our last resort. Someone who is a real nuisance to Jubilee can't be corrupted. Or has not been corrupted yet. Kiai is squeaky clean. Ndii too.

But Kiai is partisan and he does a terrible job hiding it. How so? Any negro who thinks that only Jubilee threatens Judiciary Independence is a NASWA sympathizer.