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Title: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on September 25, 2017, 07:58:04 PM
NASA PRESS STATEMENT
SEPTEMBER 25, 2017.
AUGUST ELECTIONS WAS A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY BY JUBILEE, IEBC, TELCO FIRMS AND OT-MORPHO:
Yesterday, we indicated that we are in the process of putting together information linking local telecommunication firms, particularly Safaricom and Telkom Kenya, in collaboration with Safran to deliberately manipulate Kenyan elections and deliver a fraudulent victory to Jubilee and Uhuru Kenyatta.

We also said we are on the trail of local owners of Safran and the firms that printed fake result declaration forms and ballot papers along Mombasa Road that equally led to the fraudulent declaration of Uhuru Kenyatta as winner.

Those individuals and institutions not only messed up and stole elections. They also received bribes and are solely responsible for the state of limbo our country finds itself in today and which Uhuru Kenyatta and his party are now blaming Supreme Court judges for.
Today, we are exposing Safaricom’s link in this conspiracy alongside Safran. But we are also here to prove that IEBC has not resolved the internal contradictions that that emerged in the conduct of last elections and is not ready for another any time soon. Contrary to claims by Deputy President William Ruto the IEBC CEO Ezra Chiloba had responded adequately to the myriad issues raised by Mr. Chebukati, he, in fact, has not. Chiloba’s response appears to have raised more questions than answers at the IEBC.

First, the IEBC conspiracy.
It is a matter of public record that Safaricom was contracted by the IEBC to transmit election results from the KIEMS kits at the polling stations to the IEBC servers. All this data was to be conveyed via Virtual Private Network (VPN) in order to ensure that there was no tampering of the results before reaching the servers.

Safaricom was thus contracted to provide two exclusive VPNs for this purpose. It has since come to our knowledge that one of these VPNs terminated at a cloud server registered in Spain but operated from France under the control of OT Morpho. We have the IP addresses and have traced them And the second VPN, was to originate from Safaricom and terminate at the local IEBC server. Both VPNs were fully paid for by the IEBC. However, the VPN from Safaricom terminating locally was never set up.
Consequently, results from the polling station KIEMS kits were leaving the country but never found their way back to IEBC. None of the kits under Safaricom’s network ever got their results onto the IEBC’s public web portal. Furthermore, when purported results started streaming onto the portal without accompanying forms 34A/B, Safaricom’s senior management knew that these results did not come from the KIEMS kits. Why did Safaricom not alert the authorities that there was an illegal activity taking place?

Moreover, between July 25th and July 27th, the period immediately prior to the disappearance of Acting IEBC ICT Director, Chris Msando, some 100 KIEMS kits were stolen from the IEBC. This information was shared with Safaricom. We want Safaricom to tell the country what he did about this development.

We are particularly keen to know why the same stolen KIEMS kits were allowed to continue operating on the Safaricom network even the company’s management knew those kits were not under the control of the IEBC.

Was the management of Safaricom aware that the IEBC had not reported this alleged theft of hundreds of KIEMS kits to the authorities?
a) Did the management of Safaricom themselves report this theft to the authorities?
b) Did the management of Safaricom report the various illegal activities of these KIEMS kits during the election to the authorities?

Safaricom must come clean on their role in the conspiracy with Safran and Morpho to the steal the elections of August 8th.

The following individuals had intimate knowledge of this conspiracy and either actively participated or concealed the same:
1.?Mr. Thibaud Rerolle (French National, Director Technical and I.T, Safaricom)
2.?Mr. Anthony Gacanja (Head of Technology Security, Safaricom)
3.?Mr. Shaka Kwach (Head of Special Projects – in charge of Elections, Safaricom)
4.?Mr. Robert Mutai (Head of Technology Strategy, Assurance and Governance, Safaricom)
5.?Mr. Farouk Gaffour (Head of Network and Service Operations, Safaricom)
6.?Mr. Andrew Masila (Senior Manager, Strategy and Architecture, Safaricom)

We invite the Director of Public Prosecutions to immediately commence investigations with a view to the arrest and criminal prosecution of the above named under the Cyber Crimes Act. The time has come to conclusively deal with all those entrusted with responsibility and would seek to profit from the stealing of elections.

We invite the Director of Public Prosecutions to immediately commence investigations with a view to criminal prosecution of the above named. The time has come to conclusively deal with all those who would seek to profit from the stealing of elections.

These findings add to a pattern emerging out of the IEBC that the institution is neither ready for elections nor reading from the same script as has been conveyed in recent days.
A memo in our possession, and which is already in public domain, directed to Mr Chiloba after a recent one indicate that Mr Chiloba is yet to come clean on the conspiracy that saw presidential results nullified by the Supreme Court.

After the memo of last August, Mr Chebukati’s new memo states that Mr Chiloba’s response does not explain why a significant number of polling stations sent text results without image of the result forms.
Further according to the new memo, Mr Chiloba is yet to explain how Mr. Chebukati’s details were used to delete files in the IEBC server despite express provision that Deletion by the chairperson/ NRO is completely prohibited.

Mr Chebukati is clear in his memo that as the National Returning officer, he was to have “read only access of designated shared folders.
Mr Chiloba is also yet to explain why a server that was meant for day to day operations by the staff was used for the official and critical purpose of transmitting form 34B.
The sum total of these developments is that the messing up of Kenyan elections were deliberate acts of conspiracy and omission and commission that are yet to be resolved even within the organistaion itself.

The conspiracy involved individuals at IEBC, Safaricom and Safran/ OT-Morpho.
It reinforces our position that elections must not be held in Kenya until a thorough clean-up is undertaken at the IEBC, the Safran/ Morpho must not participate in that election in whichever capacity and, finally, local telecommunication firms that participated in this election must come clean.

It is one more reason why Kenyans must now take charge of their destiny and clean up the IEBC starting tomorrow. It is clear we are dealing with a massive conspiracy. We therefore maintain our invitation to all Kenyans of goodwill to gather at Anniversary Towers tomorrow so we begin the clean-up.

Hon Raila Odinga
Hon Kalonzo Musyoka
Hon Kalonzo Musyoka
Sen. Moses Wetangula
 
 
 
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 25, 2017, 11:48:50 PM
I believe you were one of those who directed heavy fire at me when I cited Safaricom as being part of The Man in The Middle conspiracy. I described the Interception as had been told by an informant.

I shall await your apology.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 25, 2017, 11:50:06 PM
continued use of NASWA aint helping anything. What is your purpose?
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 02:35:40 AM
Clearly naswa are not ready for elections and wants to discredit all iebc vendors
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kichwa on September 26, 2017, 04:35:33 AM
You really think that NASA cares whether you think they are prepared for elections not.  We are way beyond pettiness and WSR's Utoto.

Quote from: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 02:35:40 AM
Clearly naswa are not ready for elections and wants to discredit all iebc vendors
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 05:25:44 AM
Of course you're not ready to face uhuru leave alone wsr
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: patel on September 26, 2017, 06:09:25 AM
I guess naswa is supposed to be some derogatory term in that fat bitch world.

For once I am happy with NASA and continuous pressure on electoral thieves. They should continue naming names of companies and individuals that one way or the other took part in electoral thuggery.  We getting close and close to kimetrica.
Quote from: Omollo on September 25, 2017, 11:50:06 PM
continued use of NASWA aint helping anything. What is your purpose?
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on September 26, 2017, 08:19:11 AM
Quote from: Omollo on September 25, 2017, 11:48:50 PM
I believe you were one of those who directed heavy fire at me when I cited Safaricom as being part of The Man in The Middle conspiracy. I described the Interception as had been told by an informant.

I shall await your apology.
I doubt you ever did, and I'm yet to see any credible evidence
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 26, 2017, 02:02:02 PM
Go back to your thread on "rumors" and you will find what may jolt your memory.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on September 26, 2017, 05:49:41 PM
NASA STATEMENT;

SEPTEMBER 26, 2017:

KENYANS WILL RESIST LAYERS OF CONSPIRACY TO KILL DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM AND THE RULE OF LAW:

 

We have suffered many calamities in the long journey that has brought us to this low point, but we have always managed one way or the other to overcome them. By making courageous sacrifices, we have frequently gone on to much greater heights, as we did with the 2010 Constitution.

Today, we are in one of those dark moments in the history of our nation once again.

We are confronted with layers upon layers of deceit and deception that we must not allow to reign.

The latest of our many calamities occurred last month, when the Presidential election was brazenly stolen in full view of Kenyans and the world.  It was the third time in a row that the people’s electoral will had been hijacked.

It was indefensible the first time it was done, in 2007. It was even more intolerable the second time, in 2013. And when it happened again last month, the level of deceit and impunity soared into altogether uncharted realm. Amid such lawlessness came a courageous Supreme Court ruling that stunned the entire world, leave alone Kenya and Africa. 

Genocide, ethnic cleansing and unlawful war aside, few crimes are worse than the theft of a people’s right to elect a leader who will address their challenges and fulfill their hopes.

But today we are faced with a crisis of monumental proportions that goes well beyond electoral injustice. It is no longer about who is the rightful president of Kenya, or about the naked theft of a presidency.  That is unacceptable enough.

The tragedy we face today, and which we have to confront before it consumes us is not that elections were stolen. It is that the IEBC, Jubilee and a number of local and international actors are determined repeat that fraud; and they want to participate in it.

Those who control the levers of power in Kenya do not merely want to govern us against our will for the next five years. No. They want to ensure that they will retain power forever by all means. That is the entire purpose of Acting President Uhuru Kenyatta’s outrageous abuse, threats and utterly lawless actions in recent days, which are designed to rally his base and other power centres and assure them that power will always stay with them.  Not just till 2022, but forever.

To this end, Jubilee is determined to take Kenyans to another charade of elections whose result will be the same as the nullified one. One thing Jubilee and IEBC refuse to disclose and address even as they claim to be making changes to the electoral system is the role the local telecommunication firms, particularly Safaricom Kenya played, in collaboration with Safran in manipulating the August elections in favour of Jubilee and Uhuru Kenyatta.

It is a matter of public record that Safaricom was contracted by the IEBC to transmit election results from the KIEMS kits at the polling stations to the IEBC servers. All this data was to be conveyed via Virtual Private Network (VPN) in order to ensure that there was no tampering of the results before reaching the servers. It has since come to our knowledge that one of these VPNs terminated at a cloud server registered in Spain but operated from France under the control of OT-Morpho. Both VPNs were fully paid for by the IEBC. However, the VPN from Safaricom terminating locally was never set up.

Consequently, results from the polling station KIEMS kits left the country but never found their way back to IEBC. None of the kits under Safaricom’s network ever got their results onto the IEBC’s public web portal. This collusion between Safaricom, IEBC and Safran remains intact and the firm is set to do the same thing it did in August.

We are also aware that between July 25th and July 27th, the period immediately prior to the disappearance of Acting IEBC ICT Director, Chris Msando, hundreds of KIEMS kits were stolen from the IEBC and the information was shared with Safaricom.

On Election Day, the stolen KIEMS kits were allowed to continue operating on the Safaricom network even though the company’s management knew those kits were not under the control of the IEBC. Safaricom allowed this illegality to go on and did not even care to report the various illegal activities of these KIEMS kits.

We have the names of the six individuals at Safaricom who had intimate knowledge of this conspiracy and either actively participated or concealed the same. That same team has been reassembled to do what they did back then.

We have instructed our lawyers to initiate private prosecution of the officers under the Cyber Crimes Act. Safaricom is yet to come out on this matter even as it prepares to take Kenyans for another charade of elections.

The sum total of these developments is that the messing up of Kenyan elections were deliberate acts of conspiracy, omission and commission that are yet to be resolved. This conspiracy comes out at a time Jubilee has indicated that it will be passing new laws to make it impossible for the Supreme Court to nullify any future election.

IEBC clearly has no intention of reforming itself into a credible electoral institution. It is far too beholden to Jubilee to begin that process.

In any event, IEBC cannot begin the process of ensuring an honest election as long as those responsible for the “irregularities and illegalities” are still lurking in its corridors.

 

IEBC has refused to dismiss or suspend them. That is why we are today beginning this peaceful campaign to force them out by public pressure so that the process of a fair election can at last begin. There are layers and webs of deception and deceit that we must unravel and to reclaim our country. That effort has started today.

Kenyans in no way want to hold another very expensive election which will be rigged.

RT. HON RAILA ODINGA

SEPTEMBER 26, 2017.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 26, 2017, 06:06:00 PM
Like Mwilu said, IEBC have had(and continue to have) plenty of opportunity to dispel these stories in one fell swoop by dumping the data and metadata from KIEMS to the public.  They must be aware that these stories, regardless of merit, are not doing anything to patch up their already soiled reputation in the eyes of about half the country.  Their continued inability to put these stories to sleep must be held against them.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 26, 2017, 06:17:13 PM
Quote from: vooke on September 26, 2017, 05:49:41 PM
NASA STATEMENT;

SEPTEMBER 26, 2017:

KENYANS WILL RESIST LAYERS OF CONSPIRACY TO KILL DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM AND THE RULE OF LAW:

 

We have suffered many calamities in the long journey that has brought us to this low point, but we have always managed one way or the other to overcome them. By making courageous sacrifices, we have frequently gone on to much greater heights, as we did with the 2010 Constitution.

Today, we are in one of those dark moments in the history of our nation once again.

We are confronted with layers upon layers of deceit and deception that we must not allow to reign.

The latest of our many calamities occurred last month, when the Presidential election was brazenly stolen in full view of Kenyans and the world.  It was the third time in a row that the people’s electoral will had been hijacked.

It was indefensible the first time it was done, in 2007. It was even more intolerable the second time, in 2013. And when it happened again last month, the level of deceit and impunity soared into altogether uncharted realm. Amid such lawlessness came a courageous Supreme Court ruling that stunned the entire world, leave alone Kenya and Africa. 

Genocide, ethnic cleansing and unlawful war aside, few crimes are worse than the theft of a people’s right to elect a leader who will address their challenges and fulfill their hopes.

But today we are faced with a crisis of monumental proportions that goes well beyond electoral injustice. It is no longer about who is the rightful president of Kenya, or about the naked theft of a presidency.  That is unacceptable enough.

The tragedy we face today, and which we have to confront before it consumes us is not that elections were stolen. It is that the IEBC, Jubilee and a number of local and international actors are determined repeat that fraud; and they want to participate in it.

Those who control the levers of power in Kenya do not merely want to govern us against our will for the next five years. No. They want to ensure that they will retain power forever by all means. That is the entire purpose of Acting President Uhuru Kenyatta’s outrageous abuse, threats and utterly lawless actions in recent days, which are designed to rally his base and other power centres and assure them that power will always stay with them.  Not just till 2022, but forever.

To this end, Jubilee is determined to take Kenyans to another charade of elections whose result will be the same as the nullified one. One thing Jubilee and IEBC refuse to disclose and address even as they claim to be making changes to the electoral system is the role the local telecommunication firms, particularly Safaricom Kenya played, in collaboration with Safran in manipulating the August elections in favour of Jubilee and Uhuru Kenyatta.

It is a matter of public record that Safaricom was contracted by the IEBC to transmit election results from the KIEMS kits at the polling stations to the IEBC servers. All this data was to be conveyed via Virtual Private Network (VPN) in order to ensure that there was no tampering of the results before reaching the servers. It has since come to our knowledge that one of these VPNs terminated at a cloud server registered in Spain but operated from France under the control of OT-Morpho. Both VPNs were fully paid for by the IEBC. However, the VPN from Safaricom terminating locally was never set up.

Consequently, results from the polling station KIEMS kits left the country but never found their way back to IEBC. None of the kits under Safaricom’s network ever got their results onto the IEBC’s public web portal. This collusion between Safaricom, IEBC and Safran remains intact and the firm is set to do the same thing it did in August.

We are also aware that between July 25th and July 27th, the period immediately prior to the disappearance of Acting IEBC ICT Director, Chris Msando, hundreds of KIEMS kits were stolen from the IEBC and the information was shared with Safaricom.

On Election Day, the stolen KIEMS kits were allowed to continue operating on the Safaricom network even though the company’s management knew those kits were not under the control of the IEBC. Safaricom allowed this illegality to go on and did not even care to report the various illegal activities of these KIEMS kits.

We have the names of the six individuals at Safaricom who had intimate knowledge of this conspiracy and either actively participated or concealed the same. That same team has been reassembled to do what they did back then.

We have instructed our lawyers to initiate private prosecution of the officers under the Cyber Crimes Act. Safaricom is yet to come out on this matter even as it prepares to take Kenyans for another charade of elections.

The sum total of these developments is that the messing up of Kenyan elections were deliberate acts of conspiracy, omission and commission that are yet to be resolved. This conspiracy comes out at a time Jubilee has indicated that it will be passing new laws to make it impossible for the Supreme Court to nullify any future election.

IEBC clearly has no intention of reforming itself into a credible electoral institution. It is far too beholden to Jubilee to begin that process.

In any event, IEBC cannot begin the process of ensuring an honest election as long as those responsible for the “irregularities and illegalities” are still lurking in its corridors.

 

IEBC has refused to dismiss or suspend them. That is why we are today beginning this peaceful campaign to force them out by public pressure so that the process of a fair election can at last begin. There are layers and webs of deception and deceit that we must unravel and to reclaim our country. That effort has started today.

Kenyans in no way want to hold another very expensive election which will be rigged.

RT. HON RAILA ODINGA

SEPTEMBER 26, 2017.

My initial thoughts off the top of my head.  Safaricom has done nothing wrong.  Like Morpho, they may eventually have to clarify their relationship with IEBC, putting IEBC further on the spot.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on September 26, 2017, 06:35:02 PM
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on September 26, 2017, 06:17:13 PM

My initial thoughts off the top of my head.  Safaricom has done nothing wrong.  Like Morpho, they may eventually have to clarify their relationship with IEBC, putting IEBC further on the spot.
From what we were told, transmission of the results was shared amongst Safcon,Airtel and Telkom. So I can’t quite understand how Safaricom took the lion’s share.

That aside, I think Safcon role is restricted to their contract with IEBC. NASWA should get that first before lynching them. Safcon can throw the ball back to IEBC by a public statement that indicates readiness to share info with IEBC’s consent
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 07:34:43 PM
NASWA simply don't want to participate in their own funeral on 26th. The rest are usual nonsense. Next they will blame the sun.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 07:37:43 PM
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Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on September 26, 2017, 07:56:16 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 07:34:43 PM
NASWA simply don't want to participate in their own funeral on 26th. The rest are usual nonsense. Next they will blame the sun.
Sun :lolz:
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on September 26, 2017, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 07:37:43 PM
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Termie
I was not far from the truth
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 26, 2017, 08:11:23 PM
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Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 08:13:35 PM
Maybe the rain. It's slash and burn strategy. They are doing all they can to avoid DEBE.
Quote from: vooke on September 26, 2017, 07:56:16 PM
Sun :lolz:
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 26, 2017, 08:17:45 PM
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 26, 2017, 08:26:34 PM
NASA acting to ensure the Supreme Court findings (see below) leader to better elections. Here you are opposing every initiative to guarantee free and fair elections and then next time you have taken whisky you'll post that you are against rigging. It's like a Governor who opposes the anti rape measures but occasionally mounts the platform to boast of his opposition to rape.
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Quote from: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 08:13:35 PM
Maybe the rain. It's slash and burn strategy. They are doing all they can to avoid DEBE.
Quote from: vooke on September 26, 2017, 07:56:16 PM
Sun :lolz:
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 26, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
Quote from: vooke on September 26, 2017, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 07:37:43 PM
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Termie
I was not far from the truth

Ishish.  Mine was nothing but the truth.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 08:41:34 PM
Safaricom is only being attacked because they did a good job compared to Airtel and Telkom (who failed to transmit data) - and for re-peat - IEBC has decided to grant Safaricom the monopoly of transmitting data. The idea is to cripple IEBC by besmirching and threatening it's vendors so they can hopefully withdraw their services...and fulfil NASA wish of NO election...leading to NUSU mkate.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 26, 2017, 08:45:59 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on September 26, 2017, 08:41:34 PM
Safaricom is only being attacked because they did a good job compared to Airtel and Telkom (who failed to transmit data) - and for re-peat - IEBC has decided to grant Safaricom the monopoly of transmitting data. The idea is to cripple IEBC by besmirching and threatening it's vendors so they can hopefully withdraw their services...and fulfil NASA wish of NO election...leading to NUSU mkate.
Which areas did safaricom cater for and how do they know the results were transmitted?
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 26, 2017, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: Omollo on September 26, 2017, 08:17:45 PM

Dikembe is picking up the wrong message from Safaricom response.  The message from Safaricom in a nutshell is If you need any more information IEBC has it.  Safaricom, Morpho, etc they have responded whenever accused on KIEMS(kits/transmission). IEBC on the other seems to have nothing to say about the state of KIEMS and especially transmission other than the generic we are purchasing an independent audit - they can't say anything confidently.  I haven't seen anything from them.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 26, 2017, 08:56:07 PM
Termie

I am glad that pressure is being applied to the conspirators. Safaricom has been having very long days lately and I do not want to see the pressure relaxed. Dikembe / disembe should continue. I hope NASA will up their game by writing to the shareholders.

Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on September 26, 2017, 08:50:24 PM
Dikembe is picking up the wrong message from Safaricom response.  The message from Safaricom in a nutshell is If you need any more information IEBC has it.  Safaricom, Morpho, etc they have responded whenever accused on KIEMS(kits/transmission). IEBC on the other seems to have nothing to say about the state of KIEMS and especially transmission other than the generic we are purchasing an independent audit - they can't say anything confidently.  I haven't seen anything from them.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 26, 2017, 09:12:28 PM
Quote from: Omollo on September 26, 2017, 08:56:07 PM
Termie

I am glad that pressure is being applied to the conspirators. Safaricom has been having very long days lately and I do not want to see the pressure relaxed. Dikembe / disembe should continue. I hope NASA will up their game by writing to the shareholders.

Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on September 26, 2017, 08:50:24 PM
Dikembe is picking up the wrong message from Safaricom response.  The message from Safaricom in a nutshell is If you need any more information IEBC has it.  Safaricom, Morpho, etc they have responded whenever accused on KIEMS(kits/transmission). IEBC on the other seems to have nothing to say about the state of KIEMS and especially transmission other than the generic we are purchasing an independent audit - they can't say anything confidently.  I haven't seen anything from them.

How did they conspire?  They are saying the results were transmitted.  That is a testable claim(that is why I am opting to believe them).  They just provided the network.  If IEBC pushed encrypted porn on their bandwidth, safaricom wouldn't be any wiser.  IEBC is the elephant in the room.  The qiestion is how do you get them to give up the information?
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 26, 2017, 11:13:55 PM
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on September 26, 2017, 09:12:28 PM
How did they conspire?  They are saying the results were transmitted.  That is a testable claim(that is why I am opting to believe them).  They just provided the network.  If IEBC pushed encrypted porn on their bandwidth, safaricom wouldn't be any wiser.  IEBC is the elephant in the room.  The qiestion is how do you get them to give up the information?
1. They agreed to provide service in areas they knew they had no mobile cover or 3G plus
2. They allowed the data to be sent knowing that the kits had their GPS switched off thus they cannot claim to know where the data originated from
etc
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: bryan275 on September 27, 2017, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: Omollo on September 26, 2017, 11:13:55 PM
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on September 26, 2017, 09:12:28 PM
How did they conspire?  They are saying the results were transmitted.  That is a testable claim(that is why I am opting to believe them).  They just provided the network.  If IEBC pushed encrypted porn on their bandwidth, safaricom wouldn't be any wiser.  IEBC is the elephant in the room.  The qiestion is how do you get them to give up the information?
1. They agreed to provide service in areas they knew they had no mobile cover or 3G plus
2. They allowed the data to be sent knowing that the kits had their GPS switched off thus they cannot claim to know where the data originated from
etc

Agreeing to sell that which they could not provide would amount to sharp commercial practice as opposed to vote rigging.  Something Safcom are quite famous for.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on September 27, 2017, 12:33:36 PM
PRESS RELEASE BY COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY OF KENYA (CA) DIRECTOR GENERAL MR. FRANCIS W. WANGUSI ON ALLEGED MANIPULATION OF ELECTION RESULTS BY MOBILE OPERATORS

 

The attention of the Authority has been drawn to claims attributed to the National Super Alliance (NASA) leadership that the local mobile telecommunications operators were involved in the manipulation of the August 8th general elections results in favour of Jubilee Party.

 

The Authority is aware that IEBC contracted the three mobile operators to provide a medium of the end-to-end transmission of election results in line with the Elections (Technology) Regulations, 2017.

Upon our advice, the country was divided into three zones and each of the three mobile operators was assigned one region to support the transmission systems of the IEBC.  In each of the three zones, an additional mobile operator was assigned the responsibility of providing back up services in case of technology failure. 

 

In line with our oversight responsibility as the ICT sector regulator, the Authority directed the mobile operators to report any cases of transmission failure to us.  No cases of transmission failure were reported to us.

 

As the country prepares for the repeat presidential poll, CA wishes to implore on Kenyans not to lose faith and confidence in technology. ICTs have been successfully deployed and embraced in all facets of life in the country, including banking, business, education, health, agriculture and government services just but to mention a few.  Elections are no exception and the Authority is confident that ICTs can be deployed successfully to support this important national activity.

 

The country stands to benefit in a big way if the current levels of investment and adoption of ICT are sustained. It is therefore the responsibility of all well-meaning Kenyans to support investors in the sector and to underline public confidence in ICTs.

 

In this regard, we urge political actors to canvass their agenda in a responsible manner in order to avoid putting into jeopardy the impressive investment and other gains that Kenya has made in the local ICT sector. In the same vein, we implore politicians to report any alleged election malpractices on the part of industry players to the relevant law enforcement agencies instead of engaging in blanket ‘lynching’ of investors in this strategic sector.

 

Issued by,

 

Francis W. Wangusi, MBS

Director General
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: bryan275 on September 27, 2017, 12:40:29 PM
Quote from: vooke on September 27, 2017, 12:33:36 PM
PRESS RELEASE BY COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY OF KENYA (CA) DIRECTOR GENERAL MR. FRANCIS W. WANGUSI ON ALLEGED MANIPULATION OF ELECTION RESULTS BY MOBILE OPERATORS

 

The attention of the Authority has been drawn to claims attributed to the National Super Alliance (NASA) leadership that the local mobile telecommunications operators were involved in the manipulation of the August 8th general elections results in favour of Jubilee Party.

 

The Authority is aware that IEBC contracted the three mobile operators to provide a medium of the end-to-end transmission of election results in line with the Elections (Technology) Regulations, 2017.

Upon our advice, the country was divided into three zones and each of the three mobile operators was assigned one region to support the transmission systems of the IEBC.  In each of the three zones, an additional mobile operator was assigned the responsibility of providing back up services in case of technology failure.

 

In line with our oversight responsibility as the ICT sector regulator, the Authority directed the mobile operators to report any cases of transmission failure to us.  No cases of transmission failure were reported to us.

 

As the country prepares for the repeat presidential poll, CA wishes to implore on Kenyans not to lose faith and confidence in technology. ICTs have been successfully deployed and embraced in all facets of life in the country, including banking, business, education, health, agriculture and government services just but to mention a few.  Elections are no exception and the Authority is confident that ICTs can be deployed successfully to support this important national activity.

 

The country stands to benefit in a big way if the current levels of investment and adoption of ICT are sustained. It is therefore the responsibility of all well-meaning Kenyans to support investors in the sector and to underline public confidence in ICTs.

 

In this regard, we urge political actors to canvass their agenda in a responsible manner in order to avoid putting into jeopardy the impressive investment and other gains that Kenya has made in the local ICT sector. In the same vein, we implore politicians to report any alleged election malpractices on the part of industry players to the relevant law enforcement agencies instead of engaging in blanket ‘lynching’ of investors in this strategic sector.

 

Issued by,

 

Francis W. Wangusi, MBS

Director General



Well then, does this tell us that all forms were transmitted or did the telcos neglect to report transmission failures?  This is a massive arse covering effort.  It's time for everyone to scatter and take cover.  The plot thickens.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 27, 2017, 02:13:17 PM
Quote from: bryan275 on September 27, 2017, 12:40:29 PM
Quote from: vooke on September 27, 2017, 12:33:36 PM
PRESS RELEASE BY COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY OF KENYA (CA) DIRECTOR GENERAL MR. FRANCIS W. WANGUSI ON ALLEGED MANIPULATION OF ELECTION RESULTS BY MOBILE OPERATORS

 

The attention of the Authority has been drawn to claims attributed to the National Super Alliance (NASA) leadership that the local mobile telecommunications operators were involved in the manipulation of the August 8th general elections results in favour of Jubilee Party.

 

The Authority is aware that IEBC contracted the three mobile operators to provide a medium of the end-to-end transmission of election results in line with the Elections (Technology) Regulations, 2017.

Upon our advice, the country was divided into three zones and each of the three mobile operators was assigned one region to support the transmission systems of the IEBC.  In each of the three zones, an additional mobile operator was assigned the responsibility of providing back up services in case of technology failure.

 

In line with our oversight responsibility as the ICT sector regulator, the Authority directed the mobile operators to report any cases of transmission failure to us.  No cases of transmission failure were reported to us.

 

As the country prepares for the repeat presidential poll, CA wishes to implore on Kenyans not to lose faith and confidence in technology. ICTs have been successfully deployed and embraced in all facets of life in the country, including banking, business, education, health, agriculture and government services just but to mention a few.  Elections are no exception and the Authority is confident that ICTs can be deployed successfully to support this important national activity.

 

The country stands to benefit in a big way if the current levels of investment and adoption of ICT are sustained. It is therefore the responsibility of all well-meaning Kenyans to support investors in the sector and to underline public confidence in ICTs.

 

In this regard, we urge political actors to canvass their agenda in a responsible manner in order to avoid putting into jeopardy the impressive investment and other gains that Kenya has made in the local ICT sector. In the same vein, we implore politicians to report any alleged election malpractices on the part of industry players to the relevant law enforcement agencies instead of engaging in blanket ‘lynching’ of investors in this strategic sector.

 

Issued by,

 

Francis W. Wangusi, MBS

Director General



Well then, does this tell us that all forms were transmitted or did the telcos neglect to report transmission failures?  This is a massive arse covering effort.  It's time for everyone to scatter and take cover.  The plot thickens.

Yes, they were transmitted.  If I were NASA I would work with that assumption.  And my concern would be IEBC reconfiguration of KIEMS kits before full accounting of what exactly transpired on KIEMS.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 27, 2017, 03:15:45 PM
I think it is more like Collymore telling Chiloba "OK if you don't want the results from those areas not transmitted I guess we can assist you... here is a list of the areas we absolutely have no mobile cover..". You see Chiloba was not looking for areas covered by Safaricom mobile cover; He was looking for those without. He gave out contracts to companies that lacked that cover in those areas.
Quote from: bryan275 on September 27, 2017, 11:44:53 AM
Agreeing to sell that which they could not provide would amount to sharp commercial practice as opposed to vote rigging.  Something Safcom are quite famous for.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kichwa on September 27, 2017, 03:54:55 PM
Safaricon is so politicized its not even funny anymore.  They are even using jubilee political language.  Ati "lynching of investors". It is the same tribal narrative that a certain jubilee is a party of  "investors" and hard workers- even the drunkard jigger infested slum dwellers have been programmed to  think of themselves that way.  Safaricon need to deal with the specific allegations that they have been charged with instead of joining Jubilee's propaganda rhetoric. Safaricon must understand that they make their money from both sides and must stop using this kind of weaponized political language to genuine charges and concerns.   

In this regard, we urge political actors to canvass their agenda in a responsible manner in order to avoid putting into jeopardy the impressive investment and other gains that Kenya has made in the local ICT sector. In the same vein, we implore politicians to report any alleged election malpractices on the part of industry players to the relevant law enforcement agencies instead of engaging in blanket ‘lynching’ of investors in this strategic sector.



Quote from: bryan275 on September 27, 2017, 12:40:29 PM
Quote from: vooke on September 27, 2017, 12:33:36 PM
PRESS RELEASE BY COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY OF KENYA (CA) DIRECTOR GENERAL MR. FRANCIS W. WANGUSI ON ALLEGED MANIPULATION OF ELECTION RESULTS BY MOBILE OPERATORS

 

The attention of the Authority has been drawn to claims attributed to the National Super Alliance (NASA) leadership that the local mobile telecommunications operators were involved in the manipulation of the August 8th general elections results in favour of Jubilee Party.

 

The Authority is aware that IEBC contracted the three mobile operators to provide a medium of the end-to-end transmission of election results in line with the Elections (Technology) Regulations, 2017.

Upon our advice, the country was divided into three zones and each of the three mobile operators was assigned one region to support the transmission systems of the IEBC.  In each of the three zones, an additional mobile operator was assigned the responsibility of providing back up services in case of technology failure.

 

In line with our oversight responsibility as the ICT sector regulator, the Authority directed the mobile operators to report any cases of transmission failure to us.  No cases of transmission failure were reported to us.

 

As the country prepares for the repeat presidential poll, CA wishes to implore on Kenyans not to lose faith and confidence in technology. ICTs have been successfully deployed and embraced in all facets of life in the country, including banking, business, education, health, agriculture and government services just but to mention a few.  Elections are no exception and the Authority is confident that ICTs can be deployed successfully to support this important national activity.

 

The country stands to benefit in a big way if the current levels of investment and adoption of ICT are sustained. It is therefore the responsibility of all well-meaning Kenyans to support investors in the sector and to underline public confidence in ICTs.

 

In this regard, we urge political actors to canvass their agenda in a responsible manner in order to avoid putting into jeopardy the impressive investment and other gains that Kenya has made in the local ICT sector. In the same vein, we implore politicians to report any alleged election malpractices on the part of industry players to the relevant law enforcement agencies instead of engaging in blanket ‘lynching’ of investors in this strategic sector.

 

Issued by,

 

Francis W. Wangusi, MBS

Director General



Well then, does this tell us that all forms were transmitted or did the telcos neglect to report transmission failures?  This is a massive arse covering effort.  It's time for everyone to scatter and take cover.  The plot thickens.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on September 27, 2017, 04:02:45 PM
Quote from: bryan275 on September 27, 2017, 12:40:29 PM
Well then, does this tell us that all forms were transmitted or did the telcos neglect to report transmission failures?  This is a massive arse covering effort.  It's time for everyone to scatter and take cover.  The plot thickens.
Safaricom is responding to NASWA’s specific claims and from their end they are very clean.

Conspiracy theories turn idiotic with every new and necessary accomplice introduced. To suggest that IEBC colluded with Telcos is right up there next to anti-vaccers,fake-moon landing,911 Controlled demolition theories.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 27, 2017, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: Omollo on September 26, 2017, 11:13:55 PM
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on September 26, 2017, 09:12:28 PM
How did they conspire?  They are saying the results were transmitted.  That is a testable claim(that is why I am opting to believe them).  They just provided the network.  If IEBC pushed encrypted porn on their bandwidth, safaricom wouldn't be any wiser.  IEBC is the elephant in the room.  The qiestion is how do you get them to give up the information?
1. They agreed to provide service in areas they knew they had no mobile cover or 3G plus
2. They allowed the data to be sent knowing that the kits had their GPS switched off thus they cannot claim to know where the data originated from
etc

Omollo,

I really think NASA are wasting precious time and resources on this issue(of mobile providers).  There are real issues with IEBC transmission and safaricom(whatever else one may think of it) is not one of them.  IEBC is entirely responsible for whatever problems(acknowledged and unacknowledged) that they had with transmission.  Unless and until they(IEBC) blame a third party, I think it's misguided to stop laser focusing on them.

I have no reason to doubt that forms were transmitted.  After that, when the data is within IEBC's possession, is where the problems arise.  All major contractors thus far seem to confirm that and have not reported any problems on their end.  One of NASA's irreducible minimums ought to have been a full accounting of what happened and what is so different this time round that it wont happen again in the next round.

That said, I would be shocked if any further clarity was to come from IEBC - with the possible exception of a court order.  And we know they can defy those with impunity.  So they will hold elections without having accounted for the main thing that got them nullified in the first place.  They get to eat their cake and have it.  It's an ugly situation.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 27, 2017, 05:08:22 PM
I beg to disagree. IEBC just handed Safaricom a single sourced contract to deliver the same service under discussion. 

For NASA:
1. There is a crime for which individuals have to pay. If they are not held to account, others or the same people will repeat. There has to be a price for breaking the law even if the accomplice is the government!
2. The Kenyan corporate world has come to take sleaze, corruption and law breaking as part and parcel of the business culture. We have as telecoms company that aids in rigging elections; provides private mobile phone data of the opposition to their rivals and when it fails; Mines the mobile data of judges so that they can be blackmailed and harassed. This has to stop like fifteen years ago
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on September 27, 2017, 04:33:27 PM
Omollo,

I really think NASA are wasting precious time and resources on this issue(of mobile providers).  There are real issues with IEBC transmission and safaricom(whatever else one may think of it) is not one of them.  IEBC is entirely responsible for whatever problems(acknowledged and unacknowledged) that they had with transmission.  Unless and until they(IEBC) blame a third party, I think it's misguided to stop laser focusing on them.

I have no reason to doubt that forms were transmitted.  After that, when the data is within IEBC's possession, is where the problems arise.  All major contractors thus far seem to confirm that and have not reported any problems on their end.  One of NASA's irreducible minimums ought to have been a full accounting of what happened and what is so different this time round that it wont happen again in the next round.

That said, I would be shocked if any further clarity was to come from IEBC - with the possible exception of a court order.  And we know they can defy those with impunity.  So they will hold elections without having accounted for the main thing that got them nullified in the first place.  They get to eat their cake and have it.  It's an ugly situation.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: GeeMail on September 27, 2017, 05:09:37 PM
NASA has scoredca bullseye with this one. Safcom have absolutely nothing to lose by being transparent and they have attempted it. They have everything to lose by being opaque. Questions were raised about their security contract with go.ke. Now they are in IEBC rigging shenanigans too and siding with Jubilee/IEBC theft would be suicidal. Bob Collymore knows these are serious allegations and he responded as CEO. He has thrown the skunk back to IEBC and Chiloba is stinking badly. He will also have to respond as IEBC CEO. Hii mnyama inachinjwa bolebole.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kichwa on September 27, 2017, 05:18:03 PM

Safaricom need to answer the questions and stay away from the political language that some of its employees are starting to employ. They were part of the transmission problem that the court found.

Quote from: GeeMail on September 27, 2017, 05:09:37 PM
NASA has scoredca bullseye with this one. Safcom have absolutely nothing to lose by being transparent and they have attempted it. They have everything to lose by being opaque. Questions were raised about their security contract with go.ke. Now they are in IEBC rigging shenanigans too and siding with Jubilee/IEBC theft would be suicidal. Bob Collymore knows these are serious allegations and he responded as CEO. He has thrown the skunk back to IEBC and Chiloba is stinking badly. He will also have to respond as IEBC CEO. Hii mnyama inachinjwa bolebole.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: RV Pundit on September 27, 2017, 06:24:57 PM
Yeap the whole world conspired against you.No ethnic numbers.No pork.hiyo tu.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 27, 2017, 06:48:48 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on September 27, 2017, 06:24:57 PM
Yeap the whole world conspired against you.No ethnic numbers.No pork.hiyo tu.
You are trying to convert a matter backed by evidence in to a Hubris Conspiracy Theory. It won't work.  Contest the facts
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: RV Pundit on September 27, 2017, 06:55:27 PM
What facts? I am waiting for you to move to the next strawman
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kichwa on September 27, 2017, 07:10:54 PM
SCOK found illegalities with transmission of the votes and Safaricon was part of that transmission. Safaricon should answer questions and stop being political.  If Bob wants to run on jubilee ticket, he should otherwise stay away from politicizing legitimate charges.  Chiloba could not possibly have stole  this elections all by himself-he had many co-conspirators and we are trying to drain the swamp.  Most of you idiots will not understand what NASA is doing until 10 years from now and we are not waiting for your eyes to open up before we do what is right.  Some idiots who are now screaming about democracy and numbers were working for Moi and Kenyattaa dictatorships when Raila was fighting for democracy.

Quote from: RV Pundit on September 27, 2017, 06:55:27 PM
What facts? I am waiting for you to move to the next strawman
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on September 27, 2017, 07:14:07 PM
Quote from: Kichwa-mmeza mate on September 27, 2017, 07:10:54 PM
SCOK found illegalities with transmission of the votes and Safaricon was part of that transmission. Safaricon should answer questions and stop being political.  If Bob wants to run on jubilee ticket, he should otherwise stay away from politicizing legitimate charges.  Chiloba could not possibly do this thing alone-he had many co-conspirators and we are trying to drain the swamp.  Most of you idiots will not understand what we are doing until 10 years later and we are not waiting on you to understand now.  Some idiots who are now screaming about democracy and numbers were working for Moi and Kenyattaa dictatorships when Raila was fighting for democracy. Later on, 10 years from now when the electoral process is cleaned up they will appreciate but we do not expect them to do so now so we will continue fighting for what is right and exposing the thieves.

Quote from: RV Pundit on September 27, 2017, 06:55:27 PM
What facts? I am waiting for you to move to the next strawman
IEBC has not blamed any of its service providers so Babu is basically barking at the wrong tree. I heard his next target is KQ for delivering the ballot papers
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: RV Pundit on September 27, 2017, 07:16:07 PM
Yeap he blamed everyone since April including KDF and name it.This a sign of madness if not desperation
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kichwa on September 27, 2017, 07:20:18 PM
And Raila was right.  There were irregularities and illegalities committed. If DPP was doing its job and not compromised by Jubilee like the other so called independent institutions, we would have gotten to the bottom of the matter.  I am sure there are many co-conspirators of IEBC that are running free out there because of impunity. You can gloat now but sooner or later you will understand why certain people fight for the rights of everyone.

Quote from: RV Pundit on September 27, 2017, 07:16:07 PM
Yeap he blamed everyone since April including KDF and name it.This a sign of madness if not desperation
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 27, 2017, 07:22:48 PM
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 27, 2017, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: vooke on September 27, 2017, 07:14:07 PM
IEBC has not blamed any of its service providers so Babu is basically barking at the wrong tree. I heard his next target is KQ for delivering the ballot papers

And why would they blame them for doing what  was agreed upon? Do partners in crime essentially blame each other? I thought the first instinct is for them to cover each others ass?

It is really illogical to say that IEBC would be relied upon to determine which tree to bark at?
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 27, 2017, 07:28:02 PM
What did he say about KDF, remind me...
Quote from: RV Pundit on September 27, 2017, 07:16:07 PM
Yeap he blamed everyone since April including KDF and name it.This a sign of madness if not desperation
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on September 27, 2017, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: Omollo on September 27, 2017, 07:26:26 PM
Quote from: vooke on September 27, 2017, 07:14:07 PM
IEBC has not blamed any of its service providers so Babu is basically barking at the wrong tree. I heard his next target is KQ for delivering the ballot papers

And why would they blame them for doing what  was agreed upon? Do partners in crime essentially blame each other? I thought the first instinct is for them to cover each others ass?

It is really illogical to say that IEBC would be relied upon to determine which tree to bark at?
There is no evidence so far that any of the service providers aided IEBC in executing illegalities and irregularities is what I’m saying. NASWA does not even appear to comprehend Safcon’s role in the entire process.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 27, 2017, 07:51:22 PM
Quote from: vooke on September 27, 2017, 07:45:50 PM
There is no evidence so far that any of the service providers aided IEBC in executing illegalities and irregularities is what I’m saying. NASWA does not even appear to comprehend Safcon’s role in the entire process.
I guess you need enough evidence to convict.

First of all NASA has all evidence to even contemplate a private prosecution.  The media may not cover it but it does not mean it does not exist. What you should say is YOU (vooke) has no knowledge of the evidence
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on September 27, 2017, 07:53:24 PM
Quote from: Omollo on September 27, 2017, 07:51:22 PM
Quote from: vooke on September 27, 2017, 07:45:50 PM
There is no evidence so far that any of the service providers aided IEBC in executing illegalities and irregularities is what I’m saying. NASWA does not even appear to comprehend Safcon’s role in the entire process.
I guess you need enough evidence to convict.

First of all NASA has all evidence to even contemplate a private prosecution.  The media may not cover it but it does not mean it does not exist. What you should say is YOU (vooke) has no knowledge of the evidence

Ok. I equally have no evidence that moon landing was not faked.

NASWA is bluffing
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Omollo on September 27, 2017, 07:56:04 PM
When you get in to silly fallacies, you know that is way below my level. Enjoy yourself.

Quote from: vooke on September 27, 2017, 07:53:24 PM
Ok. I equally have no evidence that moon landing was not faked.

NASWA is bluffing
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: RV Pundit on September 27, 2017, 08:27:47 PM
Eti NASA will boycott Safaricom. These bozos and their desperation.
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 27, 2017, 08:28:26 PM
Quote from: Omollo on September 27, 2017, 05:08:22 PM
I beg to disagree. IEBC just handed Safaricom a single sourced contract to deliver the same service under discussion. 

For NASA:
1. There is a crime for which individuals have to pay. If they are not held to account, others or the same people will repeat. There has to be a price for breaking the law even if the accomplice is the government!
2. The Kenyan corporate world has come to take sleaze, corruption and law breaking as part and parcel of the business culture. We have as telecoms company that aids in rigging elections; provides private mobile phone data of the opposition to their rivals and when it fails; Mines the mobile data of judges so that they can be blackmailed and harassed. This has to stop like fifteen years ago
Quote from: Vintage Windy City Assassin on September 27, 2017, 04:33:27 PM
Omollo,

I really think NASA are wasting precious time and resources on this issue(of mobile providers).  There are real issues with IEBC transmission and safaricom(whatever else one may think of it) is not one of them.  IEBC is entirely responsible for whatever problems(acknowledged and unacknowledged) that they had with transmission.  Unless and until they(IEBC) blame a third party, I think it's misguided to stop laser focusing on them.

I have no reason to doubt that forms were transmitted.  After that, when the data is within IEBC's possession, is where the problems arise.  All major contractors thus far seem to confirm that and have not reported any problems on their end.  One of NASA's irreducible minimums ought to have been a full accounting of what happened and what is so different this time round that it wont happen again in the next round.

That said, I would be shocked if any further clarity was to come from IEBC - with the possible exception of a court order.  And we know they can defy those with impunity.  So they will hold elections without having accounted for the main thing that got them nullified in the first place.  They get to eat their cake and have it.  It's an ugly situation.

I am not denying that there maybe some shady stuff going on with safaricom. 

But let's get back to IEBC.   The core problem is there were too many 34As missing in action on the material day.  This is IEBC's responsibility.  They have not blamed anyone else.  We also have safaricom and morpho explicitly and specifically denying anything went wrong with their stuff. 

The scenario that happened on election day, can easily be replicated without the collusion of either safaricom or morpho.  In fact, it is more difficult, in my opinion, to involve either of these other players.  You have to keep the circle as small as possible.  That is why I think even Chebukati was clueless about what is going on.

We are talking about making some files disappear or not appear where they are needed.  Where does safaricom feature in that apart from the fact that someone got into a VPN on their bandwidth? 
Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: vooke on October 03, 2017, 07:37:23 PM

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Title: Re: Safaricom on NASWA Crosshairs
Post by: bryan275 on October 03, 2017, 10:13:23 PM
Quote from: RV Pundit on September 27, 2017, 08:27:47 PM
Eti NASA will boycott Safaricom. These bozos and their desperation.

Word is that 2m have dropped safcom in the last fortnight... I'll be ditching the thieving bastards too.