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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on September 23, 2017, 09:59:39 AM
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Let start with baseline - as 8.8.2017
I first removed the others - and shared them equally btw Mr Uhuru and Mr Odinga.
Turn out is interesting. Look like KIEMS kits finally dealt with dead or absentee voting - Kalenjin,Luo and Kikuyu inflated turn out? The max now is 87% Nyeri. Homabay will normally post 95% turn out - reduced to 84%.
Kisumu had turn out of 70%? Coast led by Mombasa continue with their lacklustre turn out.
My projection is we'll have low turn out - possibly 10% drop from 77% to 67% or worse during the run-off.
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It'll go just like the last time... with turnout effect which should undermine NASA. I don't see that in your chart.
Some people will tell you about laughable Blockchain :D - basically decentralize IEBC - and allow anonymous voting by bots and aliens.
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I haven't done anything except equally share the 1% btw Raila and Odinga.This is our baseline coz I believe nobody has impugned these figures...so next step is to adjust figures to reflect political reality of the day n play around turnout
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It'll go just like the last time... with turnout effect which should undermine NASA. I don't see that in your chart.
Some people will tell you about laughable Blockchain :D - basically decentralize IEBC - and allow anonymous voting by bots and aliens.
Blockchain is not as laughable as you're saying. I say we decentralise the server. Let the polling stations write their results to the blockchain, then everyone can look at the blockchain and tally the results. The key thing is that no one can amend the results once written to the blockchain.
Decentralising the server will definitely cure this JEBC deliberately defying court orders.
Obviously electoral riggers and other criminals will not support a system that is designed to be open, free and fair.
NASA would beat Jubilee hands down were the elections held in a free and fair manner.
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Don't waste time unsticky it coz I am gonna stick it until I don't have the rights to stick it. If this is too painful a truth for you - too bad. This is my version of the truth and I feel it should be sticked it up.
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Raila lives and dies at 45..unless ruto died suddenly or Uhuru got convicted for killing a ram
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If you factor the political realignment - he'll be happy to get 45%. I am not convinced yet he is going for elections - so I'll let this marinate for a week or so - because I believe their strategy right now is NUSU MKATE or something close to that - Caretaker gov - going for an election is to attend your own funeral.
Raila lives and dies at 45..unless ruto died suddenly or Uhuru got convicted for killing a ram
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NASA has disorganized uhuru and jubilee..the strategic move of NASA to fail to engage jubilee in a hand and combat on campaign trail is really a smart move..it gives NASA a tactical advantage.. now they can use the calm in the grassroots to up door to door campaigns in bid to drive turnout..if NASA can then cause another crisis to push elections to November 30th ..this will mean screw ball won't be president then but in a marriage with some one else..then high court may nullify all the other 6 ballots lighting the fire on this ..so in the end Everyone will raia and most newly elected mps would lose
Raila is really fucking everyone with no grease
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Lack of strategy to win an election can be a strategy. Raila is thinking about NUSU-Mkate however nobody is bitting. He need to think about trying not to ruin his legacy by trying to post respectable figures on 26th.
NASA has disorganized uhuru and jubilee..the strategic move of NASA to fail to engage jubilee in a hand and combat on campaign trail is really a smart move..it gives NASA a tactical advantage.. now they can use the calm in the grassroots to up door to door campaigns in bid to drive turnout..if NASA can then cause another crisis to push elections to November 30th ..this will mean screw ball won't be president then but in a marriage with some one else..then high court may nullify all the other 6 ballots lighting the fire on this ..so in the end Everyone will raia and most newly elected mps would lose
Raila is really fucking everyone with no grease
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MOASS = Mother of Soothsayers and Speculators Inc.
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Lack of strategy to win an election can be a strategy. Raila is thinking about NUSU-Mkate however nobody is bitting. He need to think about trying not to ruin his legacy by trying to post respectable figures on 26th.
NASA has disorganized uhuru and jubilee..the strategic move of NASA to fail to engage jubilee in a hand and combat on campaign trail is really a smart move..it gives NASA a tactical advantage.. now they can use the calm in the grassroots to up door to door campaigns in bid to drive turnout..if NASA can then cause another crisis to push elections to November 30th ..this will mean screw ball won't be president then but in a marriage with some one else..then high court may nullify all the other 6 ballots lighting the fire on this ..so in the end Everyone will raia and most newly elected mps would lose
Raila is really fucking everyone with no grease
Strategically raila is on offense. You guys are playing defense since when raila kicked Izaak rabin front iebc..now raila is using this time to create a lot of smoke and mirrors. Ouru base is confused, his base is restless, his base has no moral authority to challenge NASA maraga denied them a chance to poop on katiba, ruto is waiting to see what ngina child does, he played all his cards leading up to elections, the neophytes elected in rv and central have no way to go around raila Constitutional roadblock without destroying the egg shell that is Kenya ..so everyone now is just rumor mongering in private
raila protests means businesses will close and open every other few hours .the joke is that when a few luos are seen walking in dtw Nairobi shops barricade and people take off
A bottle fell in River road and everyone scattered..
Raila is pooping on the cake that ruto bake for his husband
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Here we are - Final MOAS projections
National turn out projected to be around 45-50% -49%.
Uhuru projected to win with 95-97% - Raila coming second with 2-3% - and others 1-2%.
Uhuru projected to win with total cast votes of 9.5M votes - 1m more votes than he garnered in 8th.
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Here is final MOASS - expect to see final final MOASS tomorrow
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Conclusion from MOASS; This is going to be a disaster for NASA. Not only will Uhuru increase his 8th August tally - I am expecting at least 500 people :) to vote in the 3 Luo counties of Nyanza and lot more in Migori - where Kurias will be voting in numbers.
Uhuru legitimacy and mandate will not be in questions. Just ran the figures.
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MOASS update
--Narok queues look good -
--Look like no voting may happen in most of Luo Nyanza except maybe in Kodiaga prison :)
--Huge turn out in GEMA
--Not impressive turn out in Kalenjin land so far.
--MOASS still looking solid.
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Pundit how about the coast and Turkana?
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Coast seem on target for on average 30 percent...Turkana around 20
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I think the sooner this is over the better. And those who want to boycott work - or boycott life :) - can enjoy their rights - as the country moves on.
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Look like turn out in rv is going to be low...now around 65 %
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Turn out rv us around 80%
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This was never about just any elections. Its not over until we get a free and fair elections. If its not over for half of the country, it cannot be over for the other half because our lives are intertwined.
I think the sooner this is over the better. And those who want to boycott work - or boycott life :) - can enjoy their rights - as the country moves on.
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What's the turnout in GEMA?
Turn out rv us around 80%
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Conclusion from MOASS; This is going to be a disaster for NASA. Not only will Uhuru increase his 8th August tally - I am expecting at least 500 people :) to vote in the 3 Luo counties of Nyanza and lot more in Migori - where Kurias will be voting in numbers.
Uhuru legitimacy and mandate will not be in questions. Just ran the figures.
Wololo.... This is fiendishly hilarious.
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The days of MOASS are long gone. Peoples votes were substituted with the figures manufactured elsewhere and transmitted. Those are the old days. They are busy cooking numbers right now but we already know that Ouru got less than 3.5 Million votes out of 19 million registered voters. This was a referendum on him and he failed miserably. The rest of the registered voters headed NASA's request to stay home.
Conclusion from MOASS; This is going to be a disaster for NASA. Not only will Uhuru increase his 8th August tally - I am expecting at least 500 people :) to vote in the 3 Luo counties of Nyanza and lot more in Migori - where Kurias will be voting in numbers.
Uhuru legitimacy and mandate will not be in questions. Just ran the figures.
Wololo.... This is fiendishly hilarious.
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Iebc are predicting 48% turn out and uhuru holding steady as per moass
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Kichwa..avoid figures when basic arithmetics is a problem to you
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Joke of the century. Whoever told these people they were going to get away with electoral fraud lied to them...
Conclusion from MOASS; This is going to be a disaster for NASA. Not only will Uhuru increase his 8th August tally - I am expecting at least 500 people :) to vote in the 3 Luo counties of Nyanza and lot more in Migori - where Kurias will be voting in numbers.
Uhuru legitimacy and mandate will not be in questions. Just ran the figures.
Wololo.... This is fiendishly hilarious.
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I think Ouru supporters should get mad at him for misleading them. I think kikuyus will blame Arap Mashamba for misleading Ouru although Ouru should have known better. They spent so much money; killed a few people, notably Msando and that poor girl; compromised the SCOK just to create an artificial lack of quorum; spent millions campaigning while NASA was holding press conferences; and all that for a miserable 33% turn-out in 267 constituencies out of 290. Heads should roll.
Joke of the century. Whoever told these people they were going to get away with electoral fraud lied to them...
Conclusion from MOASS; This is going to be a disaster for NASA. Not only will Uhuru increase his 8th August tally - I am expecting at least 500 people :) to vote in the 3 Luo counties of Nyanza and lot more in Migori - where Kurias will be voting in numbers.
Uhuru legitimacy and mandate will not be in questions. Just ran the figures.
Wololo.... This is fiendishly hilarious.
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7m+ is a big win - considering the death threats from the peaceful boycotters. In Bangladesh Msa there were even flying toilet missiles :) - according to Balala - to enforce the peaceful boycott.
I think Ouru supporters should get mad at him for misleading them. I think kikuyus will blame Arap Mashamba for misleading Ouru although Ouru should have known better. They spent so much money; killed a few people, notably Msando and that poor girl; compromised the SCOK just to create an artificial lack of quorum; spent millions campaigning while NASA was holding press conferences; and all that for a miserable 33% turn-out in 267 constituencies out of 290. Heads should roll.
Joke of the century. Whoever told these people they were going to get away with electoral fraud lied to them...
Conclusion from MOASS; This is going to be a disaster for NASA. Not only will Uhuru increase his 8th August tally - I am expecting at least 500 people :) to vote in the 3 Luo counties of Nyanza and lot more in Migori - where Kurias will be voting in numbers.
Uhuru legitimacy and mandate will not be in questions. Just ran the figures.
Wololo.... This is fiendishly hilarious.
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Yeap uhuru was trending towards 7.5m in 35k out 41k polling station and despite nasa threats n violence in their stronghold for anyone voting.This a big win again for Uhuru
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President Uhuru Kenyatta performed dismally in many regions outside Jubilee strongholds despite high profile defections from the opposition.
The poor show at the coast, western and eastern regions were attributed mainly to the call by Nasa leader Raila Odinga to boycott the poll.
However, even in his own bases of central and Rift Valley, the president received fewer votes than he scored in the nullified August 8 election.
VOTE TALLY
This may be a big blow as the president was keen to get a strong mandate to govern and possibly engage his rival Mr Odinga on the way out of the crisis the country faces.
The reduced vote means that Mr Kenyatta, if he opts for talks, will be doing so from a very weak position while Mr Odinga has been emboldened that a majority of voters heeded his boycott call.
At the coast, results announced by returning officers showed that President Kenyatta’s vote tally dropped considerably.
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He netted 78,000 votes in Thursday’s polls in Mombasa, down from 90,000 in August.
POPULARITY
In Mvita constituency, where Jubilee’s Mombasa pointmen Tourism Cabinet Secretary Najib Balala and former gubernatorial candidates Suleiman Shahbal and Hassan Omar hail from, President Kenyatta got 18,107 votes compared to 22,272 in August.
Mr Balala blamed the poor turnout to threats by Nasa to hold demonstrations on election day.
Mr Philip Mbaji, a lecturer at the Technical University of Mombasa, said the residents heeded Mr Odinga’s call to boycott the Thursday vote.
“Unfortunately whatever Jubilee Party has done for Kilifi or Coast region such as appointments, major developments projects is unknown to the locals,” he noted.
RAINFALL
In central Kenya, Mr Odinga’s withdrawal was a major factor in the low turnout.
But there were other factors like heavy rains and dispute among leaders and elders.
Senator John Kinyua admitted that the 77 and 78 per cent turnout for Laikipia East and Laikipia West respectively fell below the target.
Kirinyaga Central MP Wambugu Munene blamed rains and noted that many voters who live in other regions were unable to travel to their centres to vote.
VOTER APATHY
Tigania West MP John Mutunga said the outcome was below his expectations.
“Meru voters had an average of 60 per cent turnout. Various factors including the weather and apathy affected the anticipated numbers,” Mr Mutunga said.
Pundit and Robina, You cannot spin this. Poor Robina, she crossed over to be the "winners" just to get this.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Uhuru-performs-dismally-in-Jubilee-and-Nasa-bedrocks/1056-4159438-f2eke1z/index.html
In Makueni where there were also defectors, the President got 18,396 votes, 8,000 less than what he received in August.
The story was the same in Kitui and Machakos where turnout was less than 30 per cent.
WRANGLES
Voter turnout in Mandera was an average of 30 per cent due to what leaders termed as fights among parties and elders in the region campaigning for the President.
A former MP for Mandera East blamed the council of elders and the Economic Freedom Party (EFP) for voter apathy in the county.
“The elders and the EFP leadership was aggrieved in the August 8 elections and had an opportunity to prove that they can flex their muscles,” he said.
In Vihiga, the home county of Nasa co-principal Musalia Mudavadi, only one person showed up at Mululu Primary School polling centre.
President Kenyatta got 19,000 votes in the county.
The President’s share of the vote in Bungoma, where former ODM MP Alfred Khang’ati defected, was about 11 per cent, down from 40 per cent.
Kakamega and Busia counties where Paul Otuoma and Ababu Namwamba defected to Jubilee posted even worse returns.
Reports by Mohamed Ahmed, Winnie Atieno, Mwangi Ndirangu, Nicho
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Yes the 3.5 Ouru got multiplied by two is close enough to 7.5
Yeap uhuru was trending towards 7.5m in 35k out 41k polling station and despite nasa threats n violence in their stronghold for anyone voting.This a big win again for Uhuru
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At least multiplication is easy to explain than computer algorithm.Raila alikwisha zamani...around 2008.
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Yes the 3.5 Ouru got multiplied by two is close enough to 7.5
Yeap uhuru was trending towards 7.5m in 35k out 41k polling station and despite nasa threats n violence in their stronghold for anyone voting.This a big win again for Uhuru
KM, I'm sure you know that you're dealing with hardened criminals and electoral fraudsters.
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Bryan: I can see. Uhuru's votes have surpassed the total voter turn out that Chebukati originally announced which was not based on anything verifiable. I guess that was not enough and now they have to adjust the number of people who voted so that they can fit in the 8 million narrative. They still think this is the seventies.
Yes the 3.5 Ouru got multiplied by two is close enough to 7.5
Yeap uhuru was trending towards 7.5m in 35k out 41k polling station and despite nasa threats n violence in their stronghold for anyone voting.This a big win again for Uhuru
KM, I'm sure you know that you're dealing with hardened criminals and electoral fraudsters.
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By Eric Wafukho
Something happened on 26th October 2017 that will forever define the politics of Kenya . You see, it had been widely believed that Kenya was living a political lie in which numbers were cooked to precipitate or justify political outcomes. With the introduction of technology in transmission of election results, it had been feared that a mathematical algorithm may have been introduced to “smoothen” curves and predict desired outcomes. However, this requires that two most popular candidates do compete against each other. The withdrawal of Hon Raila Odinga from the race , who was a strong competitor of President Uhuru rendered any algorithm that may have been feared to exist ,redundant. The heavy campaign mounted by Jubilee and even defections by many NASA members to Jubilee meant that the numbers generated would represent the best that Jubilee strongholds could marshal. The 26th October 2017 election therefore served as a control experiment. Unknown to IEBC, mathematicians had already computed the numbers following closure of polling stations and estimated the time it would take to get results streaming into Bomas. Given that this particular election was for only one out of the six seats that were involved in the 8th August elections, the time taken to transmit results was already estimated and the clock began ticking. When Chebukati failed to give a presser at 10am , 12noon, 3pm and 6pm that was to indicate voter turn-out, he immediately caused investigators to go to work and ensure that the actual voter turnout would be independently established. This would prevent “stuffing” to suit a particular outcome. When asked at 7pm how many people had checked in, he gave a percentage of 48% but when asked what the exact number was, he said that he did not have all the details and was computing. How can you arrive at a %age without first having the number of voters? As it turned out, Kenya only had 3.5 million people who turned out to vote, well lower than the 6.5million that was stated. That meant that any additional figure beyond 3.5 million was a cooked figure unless IEBC came out clear. However, that is not where the point is. If Jubilee strongholds came out this well, does it mean that Kenya has always exaggerated her numbers of voters and that reality has caught up with us? Could it be that we are not as many voters as we claim but that we have been playing with numbers to achieve our political aim? If 3.5million people voted this time, then what changed that Jubilee could lose more than 4million people in support? These are the tough questions that politicians will need to ask themselves. I will not be surprised if IEBC manipulates the figures to bridge this gap of 4million votes but the facts will forever stay with us and politicians and demographers must now guide us out of self-imposed amnesia as a people.
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By Eric Wafukho
Something happened on 26th October 2017 that will forever define the politics of Kenya . You see, it had been widely believed that Kenya was living a political lie in which numbers were cooked to precipitate or justify political outcomes. With the introduction of technology in transmission of election results, it had been feared that a mathematical algorithm may have been introduced to “smoothen” curves and predict desired outcomes. However, this requires that two most popular candidates do compete against each other. The withdrawal of Hon Raila Odinga from the race , who was a strong competitor of President Uhuru rendered any algorithm that may have been feared to exist ,redundant. The heavy campaign mounted by Jubilee and even defections by many NASA members to Jubilee meant that the numbers generated would represent the best that Jubilee strongholds could marshal. The 26th October 2017 election therefore served as a control experiment. Unknown to IEBC, mathematicians had already computed the numbers following closure of polling stations and estimated the time it would take to get results streaming into Bomas. Given that this particular election was for only one out of the six seats that were involved in the 8th August elections, the time taken to transmit results was already estimated and the clock began ticking. When Chebukati failed to give a presser at 10am , 12noon, 3pm and 6pm that was to indicate voter turn-out, he immediately caused investigators to go to work and ensure that the actual voter turnout would be independently established. This would prevent “stuffing” to suit a particular outcome. When asked at 7pm how many people had checked in, he gave a percentage of 48% but when asked what the exact number was, he said that he did not have all the details and was computing. How can you arrive at a %age without first having the number of voters? As it turned out, Kenya only had 3.5 million people who turned out to vote, well lower than the 6.5million that was stated. That meant that any additional figure beyond 3.5 million was a cooked figure unless IEBC came out clear. However, that is not where the point is. If Jubilee strongholds came out this well, does it mean that Kenya has always exaggerated her numbers of voters and that reality has caught up with us? Could it be that we are not as many voters as we claim but that we have been playing with numbers to achieve our political aim? If 3.5million people voted this time, then what changed that Jubilee could lose more than 4million people in support? These are the tough questions that politicians will need to ask themselves. I will not be surprised if IEBC manipulates the figures to bridge this gap of 4million votes but the facts will forever stay with us and politicians and demographers must now guide us out of self-imposed amnesia as a people.
There are some valid points. I just think the algorithm thing is taken too far. Because most of whatever shady stuff that is happening has simpler explanations. However I agree, extreme distrust is the correct way to treat whatever comes out of this IEBC. They forfeited that benefit of the doubt in my books.
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NASA pundits are spinning everything but the main point is forgotten: the NASA militia and its impact on the turnout. Those brutalities alone out the peaceful boycott charade.
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You are pathetic. You probably think that police occupation of luo Nyanza and the brutalization of luo people is just propaganda. I hope you are not doing this for free.
NASA pundits are spinning everything but the main point is forgotten: the NASA militia and its impact on the turnout. Those brutalities alone out the peaceful boycott charade.
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I am saying NASA violently suppressed turnout, which undermines your narrative. Don't conflate. How does police violence affect turnout?
You are pathetic. You probably think that police occupation of luo Nyanza and the brutalization of luo people is just propaganda. I hope you are not doing this for free.
NASA pundits are spinning everything but the main point is forgotten: the NASA militia and its impact on the turnout. Those brutalities alone out the peaceful boycott charade.
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I am saying NASA violently suppressed turnout, which undermines your narrative. Don't conflate. How does police violence affect turnout?
You are pathetic. You probably think that police occupation of luo Nyanza and the brutalization of luo people is just propaganda. I hope you are not doing this for free.
NASA pundits are spinning everything but the main point is forgotten: the NASA militia and its impact on the turnout. Those brutalities alone out the peaceful boycott charade.
NASA supporters decided to keep away, that's what suppressed turnout. No other scientific explanations. I am dismayed that you are not only belittling the police brutality against NASA supporters in Nyanza, Ukambani and Western Kenya whilst magnifying stone throwing in Nyanza ( which by the way was in self defence).
Also have you heard that "votes" from Kisumu were streaming this afternoon? This vindicates the Luos that barricaded the polling stations because those boxes would have sprouted magic Jubilee votes in Nasa strongholds.
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Robina,
I get that you are tired of all the politics. And that is just over a few months. But if you consider that there are people who are tired of decades(not a couple of months) of the same old looters, you might start to understand why NASA supporters are not overly concerned about going back to normal.
There will be a petition at SCOK. That is a certainty. This petition is going to lead to more drama, not less, over the next few weeks. From my perspective, this was as shambolic an election as they get. If SCOK shares the same view, you are looking at a few more months of even more drama. The best hope, for jubilants, may be in a completely terrified SCOK(perhaps one of them is found murdered or something like that).
What I thought was the simplest solution, a credible national election, seems to be something a Kenyan is singularly incapable of conducting. We are seeing that even when literally running by himself, there is still manipulation. He can't help himself. You may just get your wish of bazungu coming in doing this for us.
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I am saying NASA violently suppressed turnout, which undermines your narrative. Don't conflate. How does police violence affect turnout?
You are pathetic. You probably think that police occupation of luo Nyanza and the brutalization of luo people is just propaganda. I hope you are not doing this for free.
NASA pundits are spinning everything but the main point is forgotten: the NASA militia and its impact on the turnout. Those brutalities alone out the peaceful boycott charade.
NASA supporters decided to keep away, that's what suppressed turnout. No other scientific explanations. I am dismayed that you are not only belittling the police brutality against NASA supporters in Nyanza, Ukambani and Western Kenya whilst magnifying stone throwing in Nyanza ( which by the way was in self defence).
Also have you heard that "votes" from Kisumu were streaming this afternoon? This vindicates the Luos that barricaded the polling stations because those boxes would have sprouted magic Jubilee votes in Nasa strongholds.
In short you agree NASA violently prevented the elections in the Luo Nyanza counties. Their reasons may have been noble as you indicate. This is not an echo chamber so you cannot get away with the peaceful boycott story.
I do not minimize the violence. The police are likely under instructions to be ruthless and brutal as an intimidation strategy. Police brutality and violent boycott are not exclusive. They are both happening.
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Robina,
I get that you are tired of all the politics. And that is just over a few months. But if you consider that there are people who are tired of decades(not a couple of months) of the same old looters, you might start to understand why NASA supporters are not overly concerned about going back to normal.
There will be a petition at SCOK. That is a certainty. This petition is going to lead to more drama, not less, over the next few weeks. From my perspective, this was as shambolic an election as they get. If SCOK shares the same view, you are looking at a few more months of even more drama. The best hope, for jubilants, may be in a completely terrified SCOK(perhaps one of them is found murdered or something like that).
What I thought was the simplest solution, a credible national election, seems to be something a Kenyan is singularly incapable of conducting. We are seeing that even when literally running by himself, there is still manipulation. He can't help himself. You may just get your wish of bazungu coming in doing this for us.
You're right about the fatigue and irritation. I'm lucky to be sufficiently away to breathe. My God, it would choke me. About mzungu I have always preferred him to not just run this sad chapter, but man the full agency longterm. Along with a litany of other institutions of the state. Fed up with the negro!
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Based on Ruto CNN interview - we are looking at 7.5M total votes with Uhuru getting 7.3-7.4m - so MOAS got the turn out (48%) wrong or right - depending on what you make of 5000 polling station that didn't vote and massive intimidation by NASA in areas where people voted.
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Citizen Tallying Center - done a good job - with Turkana Central & FAFI - Muhoroni.
7.43M for Uhuru - 98% - the rest 2%.
Look like Uhuru will end up with around 7.44m - which is great if you consider the length NRM or NASA went to depress turn out.
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According to IEBC.
243 out of 291 constituencies,
Uhuru 7,144,844
Raila 67,471
Turnout 43.44%
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Impressive but this don't matter now. After SCORK hurdle - incase Raila is not sworn in as the people's PORK :D - get ready for lawlessness & economic sabotage - which is Raila's element.
According to IEBC.
243 out of 291 constituencies,
Uhuru 7,144,844
Raila 67,471
Turnout 43.44%
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Let him try to swear himself and he'll spend his retirement in prison.
Impressive but this don't matter now. After SCORK hurdle - incase Raila is not sworn in as the people's PORK :D - get ready for lawlessness & economic sabotage - which is Raila's element.
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Pundito, What will you do when we swear Raila in as our president? Which jail will you take him to and who will you send to arrest him. Have you seen the fury of about 5 million people? What are you going to charge him with?
What you do not understand is the difference between state power and people power. State power has a diminishing effect when misused and you will realize very soon how useless state power is when put against peoples power. We call Ruto Arap Mashamba because he is acting like a kid in a candy store with state power. His rigging machine has been dismantled and he cannot put it together again. The fact that only 33% of Kenyan registered voters voted has been established and any new rigged number will not be accepted no matter how hard you spin it. People power takes a long time to crank up and rave up but once it gets going, then I do not care how many police officers you have. Uthamaki will be the first to bolt from Ruto. Right now they are watching him make up numbers but sooner or later they will desert him because they have more to lose when this country goes to the dogs.
Let him try to swear himself and he'll spend his retirement in prison.
Impressive but this don't matter now. After SCORK hurdle - incase Raila is not sworn in as the people's PORK :D - get ready for lawlessness & economic sabotage - which is Raila's element.
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Every antidemocrat conjures up some "people power" or such. After horrifying the same poor people not to vote. It's tribalism 101. That secession map is good therapy. In our corp we have an office doll - in Engineering - you punch it when the test fails for the upteenth time. Instead of trashing the lab.
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Self determination, is recognized under our new katiba and international law. We are not going to use the secession map just for therapy but to rid ourselves of ouruto one way or the other.
Every antidemocrat conjures up some "people power" or such. After horrifying the same poor people not to vote. It's tribalism 101. That secession map is good therapy. In our corp we have an office doll - in Engineering - you punch it when the test fails for the upteenth time. Instead of trashing the lab.
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It's ok. I know therapy when I see it. It's your office doll. Much better than punching the wall.
Self determination, is recognized under our new katiba and international law. We are not going to use the secession map just for therapy but to rid ourselves of ouruto one way or the other.
Every antidemocrat conjures up some "people power" or such. After horrifying the same poor people not to vote. It's tribalism 101. That secession map is good therapy. In our corp we have an office doll - in Engineering - you punch it when the test fails for the upteenth time. Instead of trashing the lab.
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It's ok. I know therapy when I see it. It's your office doll. Much better than punching the wall.
Self determination, is recognized under our new katiba and international law. We are not going to use the secession map just for therapy but to rid ourselves of ouruto one way or the other.
Every antidemocrat conjures up some "people power" or such. After horrifying the same poor people not to vote. It's tribalism 101. That secession map is good therapy. In our corp we have an office doll - in Engineering - you punch it when the test fails for the upteenth time. Instead of trashing the lab.
I don't know man. Are you saying it's like how some of us fall back to MOAS when the real world numbers are not cooperating?
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And I know a confused mind when I see it. I hope you find a political position which your conscience can be at peace with.
It's ok. I know therapy when I see it. It's your office doll. Much better than punching the wall.
Self determination, is recognized under our new katiba and international law. We are not going to use the secession map just for therapy but to rid ourselves of ouruto one way or the other.
Every antidemocrat conjures up some "people power" or such. After horrifying the same poor people not to vote. It's tribalism 101. That secession map is good therapy. In our corp we have an office doll - in Engineering - you punch it when the test fails for the upteenth time. Instead of trashing the lab.
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It's ok. I know therapy when I see it. It's your office doll. Much better than punching the wall.
Self determination, is recognized under our new katiba and international law. We are not going to use the secession map just for therapy but to rid ourselves of ouruto one way or the other.
Every antidemocrat conjures up some "people power" or such. After horrifying the same poor people not to vote. It's tribalism 101. That secession map is good therapy. In our corp we have an office doll - in Engineering - you punch it when the test fails for the upteenth time. Instead of trashing the lab.
I don't know man. Are you saying it's like how some of us fall back to MOAS when the real world numbers are not cooperating?
The MOAS are a good debate. I can't vouch for their veracity. But tribalism is real. The voting patterns say so. The regionalized tantrums confirm it.
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I can't find a "position" because am an independent. Except of course to be objective - and try to go with the facts.
And I know a confused mind when I see it. I hope you find a political position which your conscience can be at peace with.
It's ok. I know therapy when I see it. It's your office doll. Much better than punching the wall.
Self determination, is recognized under our new katiba and international law. We are not going to use the secession map just for therapy but to rid ourselves of ouruto one way or the other.
Every antidemocrat conjures up some "people power" or such. After horrifying the same poor people not to vote. It's tribalism 101. That secession map is good therapy. In our corp we have an office doll - in Engineering - you punch it when the test fails for the upteenth time. Instead of trashing the lab.
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Good luck- both facts and law are in dispute.
I can't find a "position" because am an independent. Except of course to be objective - and try to go with the facts.
And I know a confused mind when I see it. I hope you find a political position which your conscience can be at peace with.
It's ok. I know therapy when I see it. It's your office doll. Much better than punching the wall.
Self determination, is recognized under our new katiba and international law. We are not going to use the secession map just for therapy but to rid ourselves of ouruto one way or the other.
Every antidemocrat conjures up some "people power" or such. After horrifying the same poor people not to vote. It's tribalism 101. That secession map is good therapy. In our corp we have an office doll - in Engineering - you punch it when the test fails for the upteenth time. Instead of trashing the lab.
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Kichwa..youre 5m armed with stones...kenya security is about o.2m strong let not throw mungiki n warriors....this one youre boind to lose by even bigger margin..zero leverage.Try nonsense and Raila can add more yrs to his kamiti profile.what will you do...that you havent done..throw stones n undress.You cowards need to know when to concede n ran...that takes courage.
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Ruto does not own Kenyan security.
Kichwa..youre 5m armed with stones...kenya security is about o.2m strong let not throw mungiki n warriors....this one youre boind to lose by even bigger margin..zero leverage.Try nonsense and Raila can add more yrs to his kamiti profile.what will you do...that you havent done..throw stones n undress.You cowards need to know when to concede n ran...that takes courage.
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According to NRM this means Raila Odinga has won with 58%. He will be sworn in shortly. Democracy ilikuja na meli.
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I heard them talk about 8th results that showed they won :) and nobody has ever shown us what miracle one case use to make Raila get more than 6.5m votes.
According to NRM this means Raila Odinga has won with 58%. He will be sworn in shortly. Democracy ilikuja na meli.
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Dr Ndii had some figures - which he promptly unplugged from the social media. It looked like the Omollo MOAS but actually had Mr Odinga losing narrowly 8) :D Once winning was impossible they took to fulltime besmirching of the MOAS. Now of course we are into full brinkmanship and the rebellion.
I heard them talk about 8th results that showed they won :) and nobody has ever shown us what miracle one case use to make Raila get more than 6.5m votes.
According to NRM this means Raila Odinga has won with 58%. He will be sworn in shortly. Democracy ilikuja na meli.
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They had tallying center - and yet they are unable to cook a MOAS like excel showing them winning - it plain impossible. This is a case of bad loser. A sore loser. Let them get us an election breakdown showing them leading - without them winning kirinyanga :)
Dr Ndii had some figures - which he promptly unplugged from the social media. It looked like the Omollo MOAS but actually had Mr Odinga losing narrowly 8) :D Once winning was impossible they took to fulltime besmirching of the MOAS. Now of course we are into full brinkmanship and the rebellion.
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I think it's the stages of big loss. Denial. Negotiation. Acceptance. Etc. The secession delusion is a new stage that psychologists can study. :D I didn't realize democracy is a very complex subject.
They had tallying center - and yet they are unable to cook a MOAS like excel showing them winning - it plain impossible. This is a case of bad loser. A sore loser. Let them get us an election breakdown showing them leading - without them winning kirinyanga :)
Dr Ndii had some figures - which he promptly unplugged from the social media. It looked like the Omollo MOAS but actually had Mr Odinga losing narrowly 8) :D Once winning was impossible they took to fulltime besmirching of the MOAS. Now of course we are into full brinkmanship and the rebellion.
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This is the spreadsheet I was looking for . Do you still have it ?
(https://nipate.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5740.0;attach=395;image)
Here is final MOASS - expect to see final final MOASS tomorrow
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It easy to convert - OCR - search for image to excel.
This is the spreadsheet I was looking for . Do you still have it ?
(https://nipate.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5740.0;attach=395;image)
Here is final MOASS - expect to see final final MOASS tomorrow