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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Globalcitizen12 on September 18, 2017, 12:49:57 PM
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A kisii first skill is to learn how to cheat, lie and defraud. Having lived among abagusii I can say the rural guys are habitual liars. Kcpe, ksce and just ended elections can point you to the nature of fraud these guys are capable of ..if kisiis were majority Kenya would eclipse Nigeria in corruption and fraud
In USA not a year goes by without a kisii going to federal jail for fraud. Even the ones you think know better.
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Absolutely agree. I use to think kikuyus were really the fraudsters but I have come to appreciate the depth of those skills amongst abagusii. Turn out kikuyus low class are just mostly low level thugs but not really the fraudsters. In kenya banks fear lending to Gusii - many have been taken to cleaners - they discovered forged everything - from ID, death certificate, birth certificate, shared ID with 10 people, name it. In the tea estates in Kericho - if you talk to management - they can tell you litany of lies/fraud/cheating from almost exclusively gusii workers.I don't know the genesis of this - but it certainly deep rooted. As early as 50s - one gusii - would do exams for entire family - leave alone cheating you see in KCPE/KCSE where they've led since exam started. The green-card fraud where family members marry each other, divorce and come back to
marry yet another family member has now forced US to conduct DNA tests.
They are probably second to the Igbos of Nigeria in the fraud business.
A kisii first skill is to learn how to cheat, lie and defraud. Having lived among abagusii I can say the rural guys are habitual liars. Kcpe, ksce and just ended elections can point you to the nature of fraud these guys are capable of ..if kisiis were majority Kenya would eclipse Nigeria in corruption and fraud
In USA not a year goes by without a kisii going to federal jail for fraud. Even the ones you think know better.
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It may be concentrated poverty. In my home area a guy would come for a loan lying that his dad died. A year later he would forget and come up with the same lie. I know about banks. Whenever auditors would walk in on a kisii branch manager and other employees would run for the hills. It is astonishing to see a very brilliant man lose his liberty because of less than 100k dollars fraud. Then there is the fight among these guys. It goes full nuclear and it usually over petty shit
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There's a hypothesis I came across.
Kisii is densely populated probably higher than the highest in Central Kenya. Unlike Central where the NBO outlet is dirt cheap stone throw away, Kisii is 'landlocked' with nowhere to run. Solution is to 'innovate' to survive. Breeds a culture of crime which is passed on.
Heard it from a KCB branch operations or some other bank-esque title. He swore loans non performing ratio is highest in Kisii as a result.
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Mike Tyson used to say that a boxer has a plan until he is hit. Pundit used to claim that he is objective and realistic until the "dog beating" Team NASA gave Jubilee at the SCOK. Now all of a sudden Kisii's are all born thieves. How do you then explain WSR and his Kalenjin cabal who has stolen from this country since Moi 100 times more than all Kisii's combined have ever stolen. Could all this vitriol against Kisii's be linked to the dog beating Jubilee suffered at the SCOK LATELY.
Absolutely agree. I use to think kikuyus were really the fraudsters but I have come to appreciate the depth of those skills amongst abagusii. Turn out kikuyus low class are just mostly low level thugs but not really the fraudsters. In kenya banks fear lending to Gusii - many have been taken to cleaners - they discovered forged everything - from ID, death certificate, birth certificate, shared ID with 10 people, name it. In the tea estates in Kericho - if you talk to management - they can tell you litany of lies/fraud/cheating from almost exclusively gusii workers.I don't know the genesis of this - but it certainly deep rooted. As early as 50s - one gusii - would do exams for entire family - leave alone cheating you see in KCPE/KCSE where they've led since exam started. The green-card fraud where family members marry each other, divorce and come back to
marry yet another family member has now forced US to conduct DNA tests.
They are probably second to the Igbos of Nigeria in the fraud business.
A kisii first skill is to learn how to cheat, lie and defraud. Having lived among abagusii I can say the rural guys are habitual liars. Kcpe, ksce and just ended elections can point you to the nature of fraud these guys are capable of ..if kisiis were majority Kenya would eclipse Nigeria in corruption and fraud
In USA not a year goes by without a kisii going to federal jail for fraud. Even the ones you think know better.
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I always thought you were a young man. Kumbe you are Kibaki's agegroup :D :D :D
Absolutely agree. I use to think kikuyus were really the fraudsters but I have come to appreciate the depth of those skills amongst abagusii. Turn out kikuyus low class are just mostly low level thugs but not really the fraudsters. In kenya banks fear lending to Gusii - many have been taken to cleaners - they discovered forged everything - from ID, death certificate, birth certificate, shared ID with 10 people, name it. In the tea estates in Kericho - if you talk to management - they can tell you litany of lies/fraud/cheating from almost exclusively gusii workers.I don't know the genesis of this - but it certainly deep rooted. As early as 50s - one gusii - would do exams for entire family - leave alone cheating you see in KCPE/KCSE where they've led since exam started. The green-card fraud where family members marry each other, divorce and come back to
marry yet another family member has now forced US to conduct DNA tests.
They are probably second to the Igbos of Nigeria in the fraud business.
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I think Vihiga's maragolis also have some highest pop density. This is probably a culture of cheating that has taken roots. It began quite early and perhaps like Kalenjin althetic prowress - the success of the first fraudster has breaded a culture of fraud.
There's a hypothesis I came across.
Kisii is densely populated probably higher than the highest in Central Kenya. Unlike Central where the NBO outlet is dirt cheap stone throw away, Kisii is 'landlocked' with nowhere to run. Solution is to 'innovate' to survive. Breeds a culture of crime which is passed on.
Heard it from a KCB branch operations or some other bank-esque title. He swore loans non performing ratio is highest in Kisii as a result.
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I am not single-issue dude like you. I am also totally free-spirited to discuss anything anyhow anytime. Obviously I have no issues with Gusiis. This thread was started by Njamba and I jumped in.
Mike Tyson used to say that a boxer has a plan until he is hit. Pundit used to claim that he is objective and realistic until the "dog beating" Team NASA gave Jubilee at the SCOK. Now all of a sudden Kisii's are all born thieves. How do you then explain WSR and his Kalenjin cabal who has stolen from this country since Moi more 100 times more than all Kisii's combined have ever stolen. Could all this vitriol against Kisii's be linked to the dog beating Jubilee suffered at the SCOK LATELY.
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You guys are pathetic. Carry on!
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I think Vihiga's maragolis also have some highest pop density. This is probably a culture of cheating that has taken roots. It began quite early and perhaps like Kalenjin althetic prowress - the success of the first fraudster has breaded a culture of fraud.
There's a hypothesis I came across.
Kisii is densely populated probably higher than the highest in Central Kenya. Unlike Central where the NBO outlet is dirt cheap stone throw away, Kisii is 'landlocked' with nowhere to run. Solution is to 'innovate' to survive. Breeds a culture of crime which is passed on.
Heard it from a KCB branch operations or some other bank-esque title. He swore loans non performing ratio is highest in Kisii as a result.
I don't have statistics to back me up.
I think high density is not a determinant unless it has persisted for generations
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Mike Tyson used to say that a boxer has a plan until he is hit. Pundit used to claim that he is objective and realistic until the "dog beating" Team NASA gave Jubilee at the SCOK. Now all of a sudden Kisii's are all born thieves. How do you then explain WSR and his Kalenjin cabal who has stolen from this country since Moi 100 times more than all Kisii's combined have ever stolen. Could all this vitriol against Kisii's be linked to the dog beating Jubilee suffered at the SCOK LATELY.
Absolutely agree. I use to think kikuyus were really the fraudsters but I have come to appreciate the depth of those skills amongst abagusii. Turn out kikuyus low class are just mostly low level thugs but not really the fraudsters. In kenya banks fear lending to Gusii - many have been taken to cleaners - they discovered forged everything - from ID, death certificate, birth certificate, shared ID with 10 people, name it. In the tea estates in Kericho - if you talk to management - they can tell you litany of lies/fraud/cheating from almost exclusively gusii workers.I don't know the genesis of this - but it certainly deep rooted. As early as 50s - one gusii - would do exams for entire family - leave alone cheating you see in KCPE/KCSE where they've led since exam started. The green-card fraud where family members marry each other, divorce and come back to
marry yet another family member has now forced US to conduct DNA tests.
They are probably second to the Igbos of Nigeria in the fraud business.
A kisii first skill is to learn how to cheat, lie and defraud. Having lived among abagusii I can say the rural guys are habitual liars. Kcpe, ksce and just ended elections can point you to the nature of fraud these guys are capable of ..if kisiis were majority Kenya would eclipse Nigeria in corruption and fraud
In USA not a year goes by without a kisii going to federal jail for fraud. Even the ones you think know better.
Maraga has given Pundit and friends an epiphany into the culture of an ethnic group. This same guy will jump down Omollo's throat if he implies this stuff about Kikuyus as a whole but noooo....if its Gusiis, after Sept 1st, this is called freespiritism. How enlightening.
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You guys are pathetic. Carry on!
They have ZERO morals so they behaved like Trump and KKK.
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Funny I cannot name a single Mogusii associated with any of Kenya's biggest heists. Goldenberg, Angloleasing, Eurobond, Maguniagate, land theft....
Maraga has them running mad.
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You guys are pathetic. Carry on!
Even I'm in shock. Although to be fair I was sold a duff wifey from those parts when I was young.
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So we can lump criminals into ethnicities... this is bigotry. Stereotyping at best.
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So we can lump criminals into ethnicities... this is bigotry. Stereotyping at best.
Okoyu, Kisii take Lion's share of these things. They are not the only ones to be fair but they lead.
We're talking of average vice not grand looting. Quite intelligent picking tenderpreneurs as there are largely driven by ruling tribe. It was Okoyu under Kenyatta Kale under Moi, Okoyu under Kibaki,Kibadinga and Kale+Okoyu under Uhuruto
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So we can lump criminals into ethnicities... this is bigotry. Stereotyping at best.
Okoyu, Kisii take Lion's share of these things. They are not the only ones to be fair but they lead.
We're talking of average vice not grand looting. Quite intelligent picking tenderpreneurs as there are largely driven by ruling tribe. It was Okoyu under Kenyatta Kale under Moi, Okoyu under Kibaki,Kibadinga and Kale+Okoyu under Uhuruto
Thats rubbish. I am sure I have known far more Kisiis than you and I have not seen any evidence that Kisiis are worse than any other group in theft or fraud. Feel free to criticize things that need criticizing: FGM is an excellent example. But these things you lot are inventing is pure unalderated bigotry. If you have the evidence, you are free to present it. Interesting that as usual you are right on time to defend the right to be biggoted, no need to break the pattern here I guess.
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So we can lump criminals into ethnicities... this is bigotry. Stereotyping at best.
Okoyu, Kisii take Lion's share of these things. They are not the only ones to be fair but they lead.
We're talking of average vice not grand looting. Quite intelligent picking tenderpreneurs as there are largely driven by ruling tribe. It was Okoyu under Kenyatta Kale under Moi, Okoyu under Kibaki,Kibadinga and Kale+Okoyu under Uhuruto
Thats rubbish. I am sure I have known far more Kisiis than you and I have not seen any evidence that Kisiis are worse than any other group in theft or fraud. Feel free to criticize things that need criticizing: FGM is an excellent example. But these things you lot are inventing is pure unalderated bigotry. If you have the evidence, you are free to present it. Interesting that as usual you are right on time to defend the right to be biggoted, no need to break the pattern here I guess.
Thought you said you was keeping off
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So we can lump criminals into ethnicities... this is bigotry. Stereotyping at best.
Okoyu, Kisii take Lion's share of these things. They are not the only ones to be fair but they lead.
We're talking of average vice not grand looting. Quite intelligent picking tenderpreneurs as there are largely driven by ruling tribe. It was Okoyu under Kenyatta Kale under Moi, Okoyu under Kibaki,Kibadinga and Kale+Okoyu under Uhuruto
Thats rubbish. I am sure I have known far more Kisiis than you and I have not seen any evidence that Kisiis are worse than any other group in theft or fraud. Feel free to criticize things that need criticizing: FGM is an excellent example. But these things you lot are inventing is pure unalderated bigotry. If you have the evidence, you are free to present it. Interesting that as usual you are right on time to defend the right to be biggoted, no need to break the pattern here I guess.
Thought you said you was keeping off
You thought wrong.
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So we can lump criminals into ethnicities... this is bigotry. Stereotyping at best.
Okoyu, Kisii take Lion's share of these things. They are not the only ones to be fair but they lead.
We're talking of average vice not grand looting. Quite intelligent picking tenderpreneurs as there are largely driven by ruling tribe. It was Okoyu under Kenyatta Kale under Moi, Okoyu under Kibaki,Kibadinga and Kale+Okoyu under Uhuruto
Thats rubbish. I am sure I have known far more Kisiis than you and I have not seen any evidence that Kisiis are worse than any other group in theft or fraud. Feel free to criticize things that need criticizing: FGM is an excellent example. But these things you lot are inventing is pure unalderated bigotry. If you have the evidence, you are free to present it. Interesting that as usual you are right on time to defend the right to be biggoted, no need to break the pattern here I guess.
Thought you said you was keeping off
You thought wrong.
Carry on
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Kadame - Explain to us why Gusii (Kisii+Nyamira) has led in exam cheating since I as far back as I can recall.
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Letters/When-it-comes-to-cheating-in-exams/440806-2648928-kptwg2/index.html
Year in, year out, schools in Kisii make it to the list of shame. It is as though there is a permanent slot for Kisii schools. I would like to know why this annual phenomenon is becoming a permanent resident in the Abagusii region.
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The elections cookery is perfected in kisii region
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Kadame - Explain to us why Gusii (Kisii+Nyamira) has led in exam cheating since I as far back as I can recall.
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Letters/When-it-comes-to-cheating-in-exams/440806-2648928-kptwg2/index.html
Year in, year out, schools in Kisii make it to the list of shame. It is as though there is a permanent slot for Kisii schools. I would like to know why this annual phenomenon is becoming a permanent resident in the Abagusii region.
All exam cheats she has met are normally distributed across all tribes
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Yeap they are ever leading in number of petitions filled - and by-elections held. Not in 2017 - but all the years I can remember. I mean there is a lot of anecdotal evidence to proof that significant number of Gusii's values systems is messed. I must say Matiangi seem to know all the tricks and that has helped cleaned up this process.
The elections cookery is perfected in kisii region
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I think one theory I have had is Gusii Clannism and the intense competition btw clans fuel most of cheating & fraud. Their also strong sense of community/clannism that makes Gusii want to help each other. It's less about individualism but more about lifting the whole family or clan up...which is great thing and probably explain why Gusii have really progressed and developed.
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Maybe you should explain to us why Kalenjins stole so much from the government during Moi and now during Ouruto?
Kadame - Explain to us why Gusii (Kisii+Nyamira) has led in exam cheating since I as far back as I can recall.
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Letters/When-it-comes-to-cheating-in-exams/440806-2648928-kptwg2/index.html
Year in, year out, schools in Kisii make it to the list of shame. It is as though there is a permanent slot for Kisii schools. I would like to know why this annual phenomenon is becoming a permanent resident in the Abagusii region.
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Kadame - Explain to us why Gusii (Kisii+Nyamira) has led in exam cheating since I as far back as I can recall.
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Letters/When-it-comes-to-cheating-in-exams/440806-2648928-kptwg2/index.html
Year in, year out, schools in Kisii make it to the list of shame. It is as though there is a permanent slot for Kisii schools. I would like to know why this annual phenomenon is becoming a permanent resident in the Abagusii region.
All exam cheats she has met are normally distributed across all tribes
Unlike the ones you've been told about who cheat in exams because Shambas are small in Kisii.
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Simple. Kalenjin have a dual sin system. They always been thieves - stealing cattle and anything from neighboring tribes - but internally there is very little thievery or fraud or crime. Outside Kalenjin - a Kalenjin is sanctioned to do anything - steal/kill/rape name it - and Kalenjin have different words for such kind of stealing or murder or crimes against non-kalenjin. Internally Kalenjin have incredible value -systems that abhors stealing, killing, cheating name it - externally the culture extols the same acts as heroic if done to a say Luo or Maasai or etc. While most tribes would take a misfortune to mean they were bewitched - Kalenjin first port of call is that man or any clan member has sin against a fellow kalenjin - he either stolen someone goat or killed or name it ---so basically any intra-kalenjin crimes is totally frown upon and is so dangerous the whole clan would pro-actively out you and compensate the victim.
Stealing in Nairobi is akin to raiding. That is the foundation of Kalenjin society. But if you come and steal devolved funds like Isaac Ruto - then you're stealing from Kalenjin.
Maybe you should explain to us why Kalenjins stole so much from the government during Moi and now during Ouruto?
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My brother use to teach in school in Gusii - and he told me the whole clan would organize for school cheating - like teachers were expected to assist in cheating.
All exam cheats she has met are normally distributed across all tribes
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Just because Ruto is corrupt doesnt mean all Kalenjins are coorrupt!!!
Many of my Kikuyu friends struggle like me trying to raise a family. They will never benefit from Uhuru's Shenanigans.
Despicable...
So we can lump criminals into ethnicities... this is bigotry. Stereotyping at best.
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Kadame - Explain to us why Gusii (Kisii+Nyamira) has led in exam cheating since I as far back as I can recall.
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Letters/When-it-comes-to-cheating-in-exams/440806-2648928-kptwg2/index.html
Year in, year out, schools in Kisii make it to the list of shame. It is as though there is a permanent slot for Kisii schools. I would like to know why this annual phenomenon is becoming a permanent resident in the Abagusii region.
Excuse me, ati explain what? Why dont you explain to me why those kalenjins burnt people in a church in 2007? I've seen you jump at Omollo for basically wondering about why stories about raping animals are often reported from some regions. Honestly, what kind of a question is that, seriously?
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My brother use to teach in school in Gusii - and he told me the whole clan would organize for school cheating - like teachers were expected to assist in cheating.
All exam cheats she has met are normally distributed across all tribes
Why are you making it look like that came from me?
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So we can lump criminals into ethnicities... this is bigotry. Stereotyping at best.
This is the let's mourn Maraga shitting on our MOASS by celebrating ignorance and bigotry thread.
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I have explained severally. Kalenjin feel nothing about people burnt in Kiamba. They are not kalenjin - it against war code to kill women and kids - but Mungiki broke the war code long time. It just the way their are cultured. Just like "maybe" Gusii are cultured to cheat or do whatever it takes to get ahead.
Excuse me, ati explain what? Why dont you explain to me why those kalenjins burnt people in a church in 2007? I've seen you jump at Omollo for basically wondering about why stories about raping animals are often reported from some regions. Honestly, what kind of a question is that, seriously?
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I have explained severally. Kalenjin feel nothing about people burnt in Kiamba. They are not kalenjin - it against war code to kill women and kids - but Mungiki broke the war code long time. It just the way their are cultured. Just like "maybe" Gusii are cultured to cheat or do whatever it takes to get ahead.
Excuse me, ati explain what? Why dont you explain to me why those kalenjins burnt people in a church in 2007? I've seen you jump at Omollo for basically wondering about why stories about raping animals are often reported from some regions. Honestly, what kind of a question is that, seriously?
Pundit, I'm actually not lying. I have seen NO evidence that Kisiis are prone to theft or fraud more than your average Kenyan. None. I have no idea about the exams or petitions but you cant seriously think that it means Kisiis steal elections more than others? There are many vices Im glad to talk about that ring true to me and I have before: superstition and the propensity to blame all ordinary bad luck on enemies. If you said that I would know what toure talking about. Even the tendency, and this is not just Kisiis, to look down on women and be generally unfair to them in terms of division of labour etc. But a propensity for stealing and cheating more than other people? That's frankly news to me.
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It's okay. You're buruburu eastlando girl. How would you know? That is understandable. I have heard or seen many anecdotal evidence that shows Gusii are the real fraudsters or cheat in Kenya. I use to think kikuyus were on top but I have seen discovered Kikuyu proclivity is more to thuggery(black american type) than book-smart cheating Nigeria style. The ultimate con-men are the Igbos of Nigeria - Gusii are probably the best in kenya.
I heard a manager in tea estate saying he was glad those kisii workers had been kicked out (2007) coz they were just fraudsters and cheats who were bankrupting the company. he told me 9 out of 10 cases in kericho court - civil cases - were Mkisii versus Tea estate -for fraudalent worker compensation or insurance. These are illiterate workers working with Gusii ambulance chasing lawyers.
You talk to bank managers - the same story - of faked papers - faked employment - faked everything.
You talk to insurance companies - and you hear the same stories of faked claims
You talk to KNEC - and they tell you Gusii led in exam cheating - both KCPE & KCSE. Small kids?
I personally witnesses the first time US Embassy rounded up Gusii on the line and had them DNA tested - I was working for UN Gigiri then. There was huge commotion on the gate as folks tried to flee - just as I was driving to UN compound.
The company I use to work for - had to transfer entire finance dept to rwanda - after kenyan conned them severally with final kick from Gusii finance dude who took off with millions - their conclusion was kenyans were incredibly corrupt even at micro-level.
Pundit, I'm actually not lying. I have seen NO evidence that Kisiis are prone to theft or fraud more than your average Kenyan. None. I have no idea about the exams or petitions but you cant seriously think that it means Kisiis steal elections more than others? There are many vices Im glad to talk about that ring true to me and I have before: superstition and the propensity to blame all ordinary bad luck on enemies. If you said that I would know what toure talking about. Even the tendency, and this is not just Kisiis, to look down on women and be generally unfair to them in terms of division of labour etc. But a propensity for stealing and cheating more than other people? That's frankly news to me.
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Pundito I like your Kale explanation.
As I said, my guy fingered population density. There could be more.
Are thieves lynched in Kisii,or is stealing generally tolerated?
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My late grandmother when I visited her - always use to say - how is the raid (Nairobi/my job)- for her I'd gone to raid! He would say it was okay I didn't visit often coz I was still raiding.
Gusii take witchcraft seriously. The community is under a spell. I have been told the fear of witches mean from 9pm till 3pm - there is not a soul to be found outside except night runners.
So Kipsigis raiders just wait for night to fall - and then they go and drive cattle home - aware they will only be confronted by night runners.
Pundito I like your Kale explanation.
As I said, my guy fingered population density. There could be more.
Are thieves lynched in Kisii,or is stealing generally tolerated?
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Do not wake nyamatoro ghosts
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Do not wake nyamatoro ghosts
Youre just a bigot. I hope you dont complain the next time I see a thread about why some people are supposedly always getting caught having sex with cattle and suggesting that it is somehow within your culture to do so.
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Do not wake nyamatoro ghosts
Youre just a bigot. I hope you dont complain the next time I see a thread about why some people are supposedly always getting caught having sex with cattle and suggesting that it is somehow within your culture to do so.
Seriously I won't be offended it is a reality that there is no romance without money in central..thus pushing some of our Bros to beastlity ..you misunderstood my point on this thread..I came to conclusion after seeing the petitions numbers by county Gusii was leading and voila I came up with thread ..
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I didn't mean to offend you or anyone
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Do not wake nyamatoro ghosts
Youre just a bigot. I hope you dont complain the next time I see a thread about why some people are supposedly always getting caught having sex with cattle and suggesting that it is somehow within your culture to do so.
Seriously I won't be offended it is a reality that there is no romance without money in central..thus pushing some of our Bros to beastlity ..you misunderstood my point on this thread..I came to conclusion after seeing the petitions numbers by county Gusii was leading and voila I came up with thread ..
My dad, uncles, brothers, cousins, were/are some of the most upstanding men Ive ever known. The furthest away from fraudsters as you could hope to get. My dad who was quite older than me had an elder brother of mine leave govt service to avoid being bribed/corrupted and thereby getting into trouble and refused to allow another to get involved in politics at all. He did favours for hundreds of people from his village without ever taking a dime in return. They would come back later with a chicken or something to say thanks. They would just show up in Nairobi at his office and he would help and give them fare back home. Forgive me if im livid but ive grown up around kisii men who were as far away from cheats as you could get and this characterization is grossly unfair to them. This does not describe my experience at all.
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Kadame,
That is why you are different. Anyway there millions of gusii men and women who reputation is being ruined by these fraudsters. I have close friends in your community, I have grown up around your people so I know it is not all but several dishonest ones
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Do not wake nyamatoro ghosts
Youre just a bigot. I hope you dont complain the next time I see a thread about why some people are supposedly always getting caught having sex with cattle and suggesting that it is somehow within your culture to do so.
I read Facing Mt Kenya many years ago in high school. Beastiality was a taboo among Okoyu but boys relieved themselves off lambs/goats PROVIDED THEY WAS NOT CAUGHT.
There was some acceptable extents men went short of penetrative sex as well. I'll get the book and read it again.
What I can tell you is there's very little of Okoyu culture that survived colonialism
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Do not wake nyamatoro ghosts
Youre just a bigot. I hope you dont complain the next time I see a thread about why some people are supposedly always getting caught having sex with cattle and suggesting that it is somehow within your culture to do so.
I read Facing Mt Kenya many years ago in high school. Beastiality was a taboo among Okoyu but boys relieved themselves off lambs/goats PROVIDED THEY WAS NOT CAUGHT.
There was some acceptable extents men went short of penetrative sex as well. I'll get the book and read it again.
What I can tell you is there's very little of Okoyu culture that survived colonialism
I never read that book because I have no respect for onyatto ..he was a deeply flawed character
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Do not wake nyamatoro ghosts
Youre just a bigot. I hope you dont complain the next time I see a thread about why some people are supposedly always getting caught having sex with cattle and suggesting that it is somehow within your culture to do so.
I read Facing Mt Kenya many years ago in high school. Beastiality was a taboo among Okoyu but boys relieved themselves off lambs/goats PROVIDED THEY WAS NOT CAUGHT.
There was some acceptable extents men went short of penetrative sex as well. I'll get the book and read it again.
What I can tell you is there's very little of Okoyu culture that survived colonialism
I never read that book because I have no respect for onyatto ..he was a deeply flawed character
It's not about him but his people. Mighty glad he died before he hot full blown senility because I heard he was a lifer
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He was senile when he died in a potty toilet in Mombasa