What I don't get is this. They say they will sue for damage to their reputation. But the logs obtained by court order FROM IEBC indicate a number of things they deny: like they deny that there was any unauthorized access. How? Chebukati's own memo complained of that very thing.
There will be no Fresh Elections on 17th October/within 60 days. Let's talk about TRANSITIONS GOVT. that will organise new Elections/Reforms
— Apollo Mboya, HSC (@MboyaApollo) September 16, 2017
NASWA has gone after all nane nane contractors and alleged perpetrators of this treasonous act. Is this sufficient to dissuade a significant proportion of the country from voting on 17th of next month?It doesnt matter what those guys will do. They might as well fill up for NASA online. You can only plan and choose for yourself. If NASA refuses elections most people wont vote bevause it is a two horse race, so why bother? Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in and NASA can continue with their own agenda. Personally Im ok because this is what I wanted. I did NOT want either a nusumkate situation or a simple redo of 8/8 with only difference being date and number of candidates.
30 days to get a new printer and EVID supplier as well as configuring KIEMS afresh.....There will be no Fresh Elections on 17th October/within 60 days. Let's talk about TRANSITIONS GOVT. that will organise new Elections/Reforms
— Apollo Mboya, HSC (@MboyaApollo) September 16, 2017
What I don't get is this. They say they will sue for damage to their reputation. But the logs obtained by court order FROM IEBC indicate a number of things they deny: like they deny that there was any unauthorized access. How? Chebukati's own memo complained of that very thing.
I think the French are just being factual. We need to remember that wakina chirchir and others had bona-fide user accounts created for their access. There was no unauthorised access to the systems ie hacking as we know it.
Chebukati's account was real created by iebc sys administrators. Only that he didn't know. Chebukati asked the correct question....
I don't understand what you just saidNASWA has gone after all nane nane contractors and alleged perpetrators of this treasonous act. Is this sufficient to dissuade a significant proportion of the country from voting on 17th of next month?It doesnt matter what those guys will do. They might as well fill up for NASA online. You can only plan and choose for yourself. If NASA refuses elections most people wont vote bevause it is a two horse race, so why bother? Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in and NASA can continue with their own agenda. Personally Im ok because this is what I wanted. I did NOT want either a nusumkate situation or a simple redo of 8/8 with only difference being date and number of candidates.
30 days to get a new printer and EVID supplier as well as configuring KIEMS afresh.....There will be no Fresh Elections on 17th October/within 60 days. Let's talk about TRANSITIONS GOVT. that will organise new Elections/Reforms
— Apollo Mboya, HSC (@MboyaApollo) September 16, 2017
What I don't get is this. They say they will sue for damage to their reputation. But the logs obtained by court order FROM IEBC indicate a number of things they deny: like they deny that there was any unauthorized access. How? Chebukati's own memo complained of that very thing.
I think the French are just being factual. We need to remember that wakina chirchir and others had bona-fide user accounts created for their access. There was no unauthorised access to the systems ie hacking as we know it.
Chebukati's account was real created by iebc sys administrators. Only that he didn't know. Chebukati asked the correct question....
Yaani, I don't want nusu mkate nor elections that are exactly like the 8/8 elections in all but date and no. of candidates. What I expect to happen re your question is this: if NASA adamantly refuse to participate, most people from most of the country won't turn up. Not necessarily because they love NASA but because it'll be pointless, this being a two-horse race. They may decide to top up votes again just to make the turn out seem bigger but it won't really matter. Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in. Then NASA can continue to push their agenda. I am very much at peace with this.I don't understand what you just saidNASWA has gone after all nane nane contractors and alleged perpetrators of this treasonous act. Is this sufficient to dissuade a significant proportion of the country from voting on 17th of next month?It doesnt matter what those guys will do. They might as well fill up for NASA online. You can only plan and choose for yourself. If NASA refuses elections most people wont vote bevause it is a two horse race, so why bother? Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in and NASA can continue with their own agenda. Personally Im ok because this is what I wanted. I did NOT want either a nusumkate situation or a simple redo of 8/8 with only difference being date and number of candidates.
30 days to get a new printer and EVID supplier as well as configuring KIEMS afresh.....There will be no Fresh Elections on 17th October/within 60 days. Let's talk about TRANSITIONS GOVT. that will organise new Elections/Reforms
— Apollo Mboya, HSC (@MboyaApollo) September 16, 2017
Yaani, I don't want nusu mkate nor elections that are exactly like the 8/8 elections in all but date and no. of candidates. What I expect to happen re your question is this: if NASA adamantly refuse to participate, most people from most of the country won't turn up. Not necessarily because they love NASA but because it'll be pointless, this being a two-horse race. They may decide to top up votes again just to make the turn out seem bigger but it won't really matter. Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in. Then NASA can continue to push their agenda. I am very much at peace with this.I don't understand what you just saidNASWA has gone after all nane nane contractors and alleged perpetrators of this treasonous act. Is this sufficient to dissuade a significant proportion of the country from voting on 17th of next month?It doesnt matter what those guys will do. They might as well fill up for NASA online. You can only plan and choose for yourself. If NASA refuses elections most people wont vote bevause it is a two horse race, so why bother? Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in and NASA can continue with their own agenda. Personally Im ok because this is what I wanted. I did NOT want either a nusumkate situation or a simple redo of 8/8 with only difference being date and number of candidates.
30 days to get a new printer and EVID supplier as well as configuring KIEMS afresh.....There will be no Fresh Elections on 17th October/within 60 days. Let's talk about TRANSITIONS GOVT. that will organise new Elections/Reforms
— Apollo Mboya, HSC (@MboyaApollo) September 16, 2017
I think boycotting won't sell or make NASWA smart.Yaani, I don't want nusu mkate nor elections that are exactly like the 8/8 elections in all but date and no. of candidates. What I expect to happen re your question is this: if NASA adamantly refuse to participate, most people from most of the country won't turn up. Not necessarily because they love NASA but because it'll be pointless, this being a two-horse race. They may decide to top up votes again just to make the turn out seem bigger but it won't really matter. Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in. Then NASA can continue to push their agenda. I am very much at peace with this.I don't understand what you just saidNASWA has gone after all nane nane contractors and alleged perpetrators of this treasonous act. Is this sufficient to dissuade a significant proportion of the country from voting on 17th of next month?It doesnt matter what those guys will do. They might as well fill up for NASA online. You can only plan and choose for yourself. If NASA refuses elections most people wont vote bevause it is a two horse race, so why bother? Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in and NASA can continue with their own agenda. Personally Im ok because this is what I wanted. I did NOT want either a nusumkate situation or a simple redo of 8/8 with only difference being date and number of candidates.
30 days to get a new printer and EVID supplier as well as configuring KIEMS afresh.....There will be no Fresh Elections on 17th October/within 60 days. Let's talk about TRANSITIONS GOVT. that will organise new Elections/Reforms
— Apollo Mboya, HSC (@MboyaApollo) September 16, 2017
But whose natural assumption? I'm sure there are many who think this way yet I know there are many who think it is insane to participate in an election run by this same body with the exact same staff and set-up without basic reforms. From Pundit's comment, its clear that many see that no reforms mean a never-ending circus. Whats the point of a petition if you head out, rinse and repeat? That may be a satisfying state of affairs for "many" but I also know it is ludicrous to many others too. Kila mtu na starehe zake, or I should say, na agenda zake. There is not one good reason under the sun for a person who complained of rigging, petitioned the court and got a whole bunch of smelly stuff exposed, to then head to a repeat of the exact same set-up. Raila would actually seem very dumb if he did that and even if he cried rigging thereafter it would not carry sympathies when he did it without insisting that the wrong things be fixed first.I think boycotting won't sell or make NASWA smart.Yaani, I don't want nusu mkate nor elections that are exactly like the 8/8 elections in all but date and no. of candidates. What I expect to happen re your question is this: if NASA adamantly refuse to participate, most people from most of the country won't turn up. Not necessarily because they love NASA but because it'll be pointless, this being a two-horse race. They may decide to top up votes again just to make the turn out seem bigger but it won't really matter. Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in. Then NASA can continue to push their agenda. I am very much at peace with this.I don't understand what you just saidNASWA has gone after all nane nane contractors and alleged perpetrators of this treasonous act. Is this sufficient to dissuade a significant proportion of the country from voting on 17th of next month?It doesnt matter what those guys will do. They might as well fill up for NASA online. You can only plan and choose for yourself. If NASA refuses elections most people wont vote bevause it is a two horse race, so why bother? Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in and NASA can continue with their own agenda. Personally Im ok because this is what I wanted. I did NOT want either a nusumkate situation or a simple redo of 8/8 with only difference being date and number of candidates.
30 days to get a new printer and EVID supplier as well as configuring KIEMS afresh.....There will be no Fresh Elections on 17th October/within 60 days. Let's talk about TRANSITIONS GOVT. that will organise new Elections/Reforms
— Apollo Mboya, HSC (@MboyaApollo) September 16, 2017
The petition is sort of a precedent that irregularities and illegsties can be flushed out and invalidate an election. So why would they be apprehensive over the same? They cheat , they lose again at SCOK.If one loses in a subsequent election and fails to file a petition, or files and loses, the natural assumption would be they lost fairly
They are not repeating under the 'same set up'. That's a fat myth.But whose natural assumption? I'm sure there are many who think this way yet I know there are many who think it is insane to participate in an election run by this same body with the exact same staff and set-up without basic reforms. From Pundit's comment, its clear that many see that no reforms mean a never-ending circus. Whats the point of a petition if you head out, rinse and repeat? That may be a satisfying state of affairs for "many" but I also know it is ludicrous to many others too. Kila mtu na starehe zake, or I should say, na agenda zake. There is not one good reason under the sun for a person who complained of rigging, petitioned the court and got a whole bunch of smelly stuff exposed, to then head to a repeat of the exact same set-up. Raila would actually seem very dumb if he did that and even if he cried rigging thereafter it would not carry sympathies when he did it without insisting that the wrong things be fixed first.I think boycotting won't sell or make NASWA smart.Yaani, I don't want nusu mkate nor elections that are exactly like the 8/8 elections in all but date and no. of candidates. What I expect to happen re your question is this: if NASA adamantly refuse to participate, most people from most of the country won't turn up. Not necessarily because they love NASA but because it'll be pointless, this being a two-horse race. They may decide to top up votes again just to make the turn out seem bigger but it won't really matter. Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in. Then NASA can continue to push their agenda. I am very much at peace with this.I don't understand what you just saidNASWA has gone after all nane nane contractors and alleged perpetrators of this treasonous act. Is this sufficient to dissuade a significant proportion of the country from voting on 17th of next month?It doesnt matter what those guys will do. They might as well fill up for NASA online. You can only plan and choose for yourself. If NASA refuses elections most people wont vote bevause it is a two horse race, so why bother? Uhuru will "win" and be sworn in and NASA can continue with their own agenda. Personally Im ok because this is what I wanted. I did NOT want either a nusumkate situation or a simple redo of 8/8 with only difference being date and number of candidates.
30 days to get a new printer and EVID supplier as well as configuring KIEMS afresh.....There will be no Fresh Elections on 17th October/within 60 days. Let's talk about TRANSITIONS GOVT. that will organise new Elections/Reforms
— Apollo Mboya, HSC (@MboyaApollo) September 16, 2017
The petition is sort of a precedent that irregularities and illegsties can be flushed out and invalidate an election. So why would they be apprehensive over the same? They cheat , they lose again at SCOK.If one loses in a subsequent election and fails to file a petition, or files and loses, the natural assumption would be they lost fairly
So what is different?Dialogue.....sensible dialogue
????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? :o Wow.So what is different?Dialogue.....sensible dialogue
I shared here IEBC's ideas
NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? :o Wow.So what is different?Dialogue.....sensible dialogue
I shared here IEBC's ideas
I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? :o Wow.So what is different?Dialogue.....sensible dialogue
I shared here IEBC's ideas
I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? :o Wow.So what is different?Dialogue.....sensible dialogue
I shared here IEBC's ideas
I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? :o Wow.So what is different?Dialogue.....sensible dialogue
I shared here IEBC's ideas
IEBC has demonstrated willingness to change and make necessary changes in the coming elections. So there's no way we can have the 'same setup'.
So how is this a challenge to what I said? Just to repeat I said Raila should boycott the elections if there are no reforms. Dont understand the confusion or myth.I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? :o Wow.So what is different?Dialogue.....sensible dialogue
I shared here IEBC's ideas
IEBC has demonstrated willingness to change and make necessary changes in the coming elections. So there's no way we can have the 'same setup'.
That's next to a truism. Problem is Babu's version of what reforms amount to. It's either his 'irreducible minimum' or IEBC is not reformedSo how is this a challenge to what I said? Just to repeat I said Raila should boycott the elections if there are no reforms. Dont understand the confusion or myth.I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? :o Wow.So what is different?Dialogue.....sensible dialogue
I shared here IEBC's ideas
IEBC has demonstrated willingness to change and make necessary changes in the coming elections. So there's no way we can have the 'same setup'.
If IEBC says no to the irreducible, it should have a good reason. Which one do you think is untennable? Reforms means at least those who bungled the last exercise are gone, what happened to the server is fully accessed per the order Chebu are in contempt for disobeying and publicly audited and the transmissions issues sorted and forms and ways to ensure they are replaced/duplicated also sorted. These are what went wrong last time. Asking people to rinse and repeat without sorting these will not constitite a "willingness to reform" no matter what words one prephases the non-action with.That's next to a truism. Problem is Babu's version of what reforms amount to. It's either his 'irreducible minimum' or IEBC is not reformedSo how is this a challenge to what I said? Just to repeat I said Raila should boycott the elections if there are no reforms. Dont understand the confusion or myth.I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? :o Wow.So what is different?Dialogue.....sensible dialogue
I shared here IEBC's ideas
IEBC has demonstrated willingness to change and make necessary changes in the coming elections. So there's no way we can have the 'same setup'.
Contempt of court if for SCOK to determine. Don't jump gun..you'll know in the next 24hrsIf IEBC says no to the irreducible, it should have a good reason. Which one do you think is untennable? Reforms means at least those who bungled the last exercise are gone, what happened to the server is fully accessed per the order Chebu are in contempt for disobeying and publicly audited and the transmissions issues sorted and forms and ways to ensure they are replaced/duplicated also sorted. These are what went wrong last time. Asking people to rinse and repeat without sorting these will not constitite a "willingness to reform" no matter what words one prephases the non-action with.That's next to a truism. Problem is Babu's version of what reforms amount to. It's either his 'irreducible minimum' or IEBC is not reformedSo how is this a challenge to what I said? Just to repeat I said Raila should boycott the elections if there are no reforms. Dont understand the confusion or myth.I'm really confused what your deal is and especially your "big fat myth" since I said its insane to go ahead with the same set-up. What were you rebutting? Im being serious here.NASWA's 'irreducible minimum' are dialogue. How else do you expect communication between them?????? Dialogue? Thats whats different about this elections? :o Wow.So what is different?Dialogue.....sensible dialogue
I shared here IEBC's ideas
IEBC has demonstrated willingness to change and make necessary changes in the coming elections. So there's no way we can have the 'same setup'.
Contempt of court if for SCOK to determine. Don't jump gun..you'll know in the next 24hrsLike I said, kila mtu na agenda zake.
Fingering who IEBC should sack is not helpful unless you know exactly what out of all the presented in court persuaded the judges. Again, don't jump gun. Besides, what if Jubilee similarly and rabidly fingered the proposed replacements as NASWA moles? IEBC is currently under two factions. Let them be, let the equilibrium remain....unless there is some severe indictment of some specific negroes
Parties appointing ROs is schizophrenia. Do you need an explanation?
There's no time for implementing a fresh KIEMS nor fresh tendering. Safran and Al Ghurair are the ONLY sensible option. So any negotiation taking these off is plain stupid,unless someone is fishing for some slice/crumbs.
I can go on and on but as I told you, dialogue is what will help. Not grandstanding. IEBC gave them every Tuesday. Tomorrow will be wasted waiting on the full determination (unless one or both of them are privy to its contents already), but they shouldn't squander it,let them sit and get cover concrete ground,and issue a joint statement to this effect.
If IEBC says no to the irreducible, it should have a good reason. Which one do you think is untennable? Reforms means at least those who bungled the last exercise are gone, what happened to the server is fully accessed per the order Chebu are in contempt for disobeying and publicly audited and the transmissions issues sorted and forms and ways to ensure they are replaced/duplicated also sorted. These are what went wrong last time. Asking people to rinse and repeat without sorting these will not constitite a "willingness to reform" no matter what words one prephases the non-action with.
Contempt of court if for SCOK to determine. Don't jump gun..you'll know in the next 24hrs
Fingering who IEBC should sack is not helpful unless you know exactly what out of all the presented in court persuaded the judges. Again, don't jump gun. Besides, what if Jubilee similarly and rabidly fingered the proposed replacements as NASWA moles? IEBC is currently under two factions. Let them be, let the equilibrium remain....unless there is some severe indictment of some specific negroes
Parties appointing ROs is schizophrenia. Do you need an explanation?
There's no time for implementing a fresh KIEMS nor fresh tendering. Safran and Al Ghurair are the ONLY sensible option. So any negotiation taking these off is plain stupid,unless someone is fishing for some slice/crumbs.
I can go on and on but as I told you, dialogue is what will help. Not grandstanding. IEBC gave them every Tuesday. Tomorrow will be wasted waiting on the full determination (unless one or both of them are privy to its contents already), but they shouldn't squander it,let them sit and get cover concrete ground,and issue a joint statement to this effect.
Exactly. The NASA bozos think everyone has suspended their reasoning capacity and donated it to Baba. I am okay if they make reasonable, sensible and practical suggestions. But first of - they need to wait for SCOK decision so we know exactly what didn't meet the muster. Then for any accusation - EVIDENCE - and due process is required. The rest like replacing Algurair or technology or now Safaricom are clear tell-tale signs somebody is erecting road-blocks in election that MUST be held in 30 days now.Contempt of court if for SCOK to determine. Don't jump gun..you'll know in the next 24hrs
Fingering who IEBC should sack is not helpful unless you know exactly what out of all the presented in court persuaded the judges. Again, don't jump gun. Besides, what if Jubilee similarly and rabidly fingered the proposed replacements as NASWA moles? IEBC is currently under two factions. Let them be, let the equilibrium remain....unless there is some severe indictment of some specific negroes
Parties appointing ROs is schizophrenia. Do you need an explanation?
There's no time for implementing a fresh KIEMS nor fresh tendering. Safran and Al Ghurair are the ONLY sensible option. So any negotiation taking these off is plain stupid,unless someone is fishing for some slice/crumbs.
I can go on and on but as I told you, dialogue is what will help. Not grandstanding. IEBC gave them every Tuesday. Tomorrow will be wasted waiting on the full determination (unless one or both of them are privy to its contents already), but they shouldn't squander it,let them sit and get cover concrete ground,and issue a joint statement to this effect.
ELECTION IT PROVIDER Safran gave IEBC Sh200 million bribe for tender, NASA MPs claim, demand the company leave the country over bungled poll pic.twitter.com/tQmRUhDqTq
— TheStarBreaking (@TheStarBreaking) September 18, 2017
You cannot have it both ways Pundit. IEBC started the whole thing. They set the date for re-elections, started on the road which seems like reforms by sidelining Chiloba and creating a new team to over-see the elections, then Ruto intervened by strong muscling them and they went back to Chilobo. Why didn't they just wait for the full ruling in the first place. We are not going to let Ruto run this elections through his paid agents in the secretariat like he did in the now discredited 8/8 presidential elections.
So they wriggle their fingers for 30 days as they wait for SCOK. I think they know enough about elections to independently asses what went wrong..with or without this SCOK rulling.. I expect IEBC to continuously improve...as they aim for perfect elections. What I don't expect is NASA jumping the gun and acting like SCOK who can give orders to IEBC. Only judiciary can ORDER IEBC to do xyz. NASA are participant. They cannot order IEBC with some "Minimum Irreducible Demand". They don't have to participate in election; can always ran to court and get ORDERS against IEBC.The courts are unlikely to help NASWA hence the wild demands.You cannot have it both ways Pundit. IEBC started the whole thing. They set the date for re-elections, started on the road which seems like reforms by sidelining Chiloba and creating a new team to over-see the elections, then Ruto intervened by strong muscling them and they went back to Chilobo. Why didn't they just wait for the full ruling in the first place. We are not going to let Ruto run this elections through his paid agents in the secretariat like he did in the now discredited 8/8 presidential elections.