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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Omollo on September 14, 2017, 05:46:40 PM

Title: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: Omollo on September 14, 2017, 05:46:40 PM
They will make rigging a hard job and securing another blanket approval impossible:
you can read it:

[pdf]https://marietjeschaake.eu/media/uploads/posts/1505374235-EU%20EOM%20Kenya%202017%20Interim%20Statement%2014%20September.pdf[/pdf]
Title: Re: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: bryan275 on September 14, 2017, 06:21:54 PM
Iko wapi?
Title: Re: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: patel on September 14, 2017, 06:33:25 PM
Is this not the same thing we have been talking about? I do not trust this fwaking Europeans, they can go fly a kite. We are battling all these Europeans riggers that have set camp in kenya. Kenyans need to wake up and notice what's going on around them. There is a big push to invade Sudan, they have taken over southern Somalia and the mineral rat lines from congo via Rwanda, Uganda and kenya are intact and as long as Uhuru can guarantee business as usual we are fwacked we are just collateral damage...

Only patriotic Kenyans like Maraga will save this country.
Title: Re: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: Kichwa on September 14, 2017, 06:39:07 PM
You have to get very tough with these  thugs otherwise they are going to use the same tactics that they deployed to get away with PEV murders at the ICC. If minimum reforms of IEBC are not met then there ought not to be an election. Let Ouru occupy the Statehouse as an illegitimate president and give him hell until another credible elections can be held.

They will make rigging a hard job and securing another blanket approval impossible:
you can read it:

[pdf]https://marietjeschaake.eu/media/uploads/posts/1505374235-EU%20EOM%20Kenya%202017%20Interim%20Statement%2014%20September.pdf[/pdf]
Title: Re: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: RV Pundit on September 15, 2017, 07:58:38 AM
They look reasonable and IEBC should adopt them..if they haven't thought about these same improvements. NASA "demands" are mostly odious and should be send to shredder immediately.
Title: Re: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: Omollo on September 15, 2017, 10:32:08 AM
They look reasonable and IEBC should adopt them..if they haven't thought about these same improvements. NASA "demands" are mostly odious and should be send to shredder immediately.
Which NASA demand is "odious" and to whom? Could it be Jubilee? Jubilee would find every demand "odious" for the simple reason that it denies them the chance to steal the election.
Title: Re: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: RV Pundit on September 15, 2017, 10:55:08 AM
How would you know. Proposing IEBC appoint Jubilee and NASA ROs top up that list that can only be drawn up by mentally ill person.  I am in for any reasonable improvement on IEBC processes - I'd love to hear what Magara and his lousy gang come up - but in my mind - IEBC is not broken - it's just need some few improvements. I think they already know what went wrong and what need fixing. The funny business of superimposing excel on top of form 34Bs is a little messy and ROs ended destroying the original Form 34B. Transmission gadget can do with improvement. The network operators should provide more robust network.
Which NASA demand is "odious" and to whom? Could it be Jubilee? Jubilee would find every demand "odious" for the simple reason that it denies them the chance to steal the election.
Title: Re: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: vooke on September 15, 2017, 11:06:41 AM
I think printing forms 34B is ideal.

Filling hundreds of cells with pen is a recipe for disaster. Why not make Excel templates and LOCK any editing apart from data entry?

RO can then print them first on plain papers and task the agents to confirm the figures,and if they are agreeable they print on 'letter head'(forms 34B) and sign

The RO will print out blank forms 34B template on plain paper and share with the agents who will be recording results from forms 34A as they are received. Once all results are in, they should add up and compare their results amongst themselves as well as with the draft printed by RO
Title: Re: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: RV Pundit on September 15, 2017, 11:14:57 AM
FORM 34 A is hand -filled. I don't see why Form 34B cannot be hand-filled with biro pen (or get them permanent markers) and signed by agents. They should be send over to IEBC with accompanying form 34As. Any complicated process will results in same mess - where you have only one Original FORM 34B messed up.
I think printing forms 34B is ideal.

Filling hundreds of cells with pen is a recipe for disaster. Why not make Excel templates and LOCK any editing apart from data entry?

RO can then print them first on plain papers and task the agents to confirm the figures,and if they are agreeable they print on 'letter head'(forms 34B) and sign

The RO will print out blank forms 34B template on plain paper and share with the agents who will be recording results from forms 34A as they are received. Once all results are in, they should add up and compare their results amongst themselves as well as with the draft printed by RO
Title: Re: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: vooke on September 15, 2017, 11:33:55 AM
FORM 34 A is hand -filled. I don't see why Form 34B cannot be hand-filled with biro pen (or get them permanent markers) and signed by agents. They should be send over to IEBC with accompanying form 34As. Any complicated process will results in same mess - where you have only one Original FORM 34B messed up.
I think printing forms 34B is ideal.

Filling hundreds of cells with pen is a recipe for disaster. Why not make Excel templates and LOCK any editing apart from data entry?

RO can then print them first on plain papers and task the agents to confirm the figures,and if they are agreeable they print on 'letter head'(forms 34B) and sign

The RO will print out blank forms 34B template on plain paper and share with the agents who will be recording results from forms 34A as they are received. Once all results are in, they should add up and compare their results amongst themselves as well as with the draft printed by RO
The difference is form 34A has far fewer cells. A form 34B has hundreds of these spanning several pages. Of course it will now be easier seeing we have two candidates unless SCOK rules otherwise

34A

And a page of 34B

There's nothing complex in locking editing in Excel, and equally printing blanks for agents to record the forms 34B as they are received.
Title: Re: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: RV Pundit on September 15, 2017, 11:37:39 AM
They should come pre-printed with all polling stations and list of candidates. The RO should simply transfer the results to it with PEN - BIRO PEN. The failure rate was too high - @80%. With a biro pen - I don't see how one can erase that and modify the results.
Title: Re: E.U 's 18 Tough Recommendations for Uhuru, IEBC
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on September 15, 2017, 12:03:32 PM
This is nonsense. In a society that 95 percent of people are morally bankrupt it is hard to find mechanisms of stopping fraud. The blame squarely lies on Kenyans appetite for corruption and fraud. No amount of controls can stop a majority that is hell-bent on stealing. Raila should just accept  defeat or out rig the two murderers