I think it is more likely NASA support will "normalize" to 6% like Kericho... from 12%. There are NASA supporters that will not move with him. Kenyan politicians are all about money and self interest so Uhuru's fat wallet wins. I imagine he has been rewarded for his "troubles". Don't be surprised if Munya suddenly s ees the light too and runs back to Jubilee.
Kenya is not a democracy. This re-run is a waste of time.
If true , watch the metamorphosis of our local Jubilee Youth winger! He has said Ruto has no influence or votes.
Watch him state how that would be a huge shift. He would add to Uhuru 300% or whatever percentage he will pull from God only knows where.
Why not 110% since you just cook up these figures?
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Pundit - what do you expect of turnout outside the strongholds of RV, Kikuyu, Luo, Kamba?
NASA 45 becomes 41 percent
The morons have no funds and are now asking supporters to pay to support them
The morons have no funds and are now asking supporters to pay to support them
Actually it is a very good idea to ask supporters to support the campaign as is common in mature democracies. Supporters must be allowed to own the movement and the best way to feel part of a movement in this day and age is contribute towards its funding. Politicians who are fighting on behalf of the people should not use their own monies even when they are rich. NASA should continue urging wanaichi to chip in as little as 10/- so that they can be part of the movement. The jubilee government is making sure that big international donors cannot fund NASA while Jubilee has unlimited access to state and stolen resources including monies being sent back into Kenya from stolen swiss accounts. NASA does not need even half of what Jubilee will spend but it is better to get that money directly from the people of Kenya than jubilees stolen monies from the peoples of Kenya.The morons have no funds and are now asking supporters to pay to support them
You're talking about me?
MOAS final final - Raila in Bomet -11% - IEBC (11%)
MOAS final final - Raila in Kericho -6-7% - IEBC(7%)
Post Isaac (MOAS re-run inapikwa) - I am going with 94-95% for Uhuru in Bomet & Kericho - Also Narok is another nightmare, so is Nakuru - for NASA - in fact the whole of RV including Tranzoia is becoming one big nightmare for NASA.If true , watch the metamorphosis of our local Jubilee Youth winger! He has said Ruto has no influence or votes.
Watch him state how that would be a huge shift. He would add to Uhuru 300% or whatever percentage he will pull from God only knows where.
Actually it is a very good idea to ask supporters to support the campaign as is common in mature democracies. Supporters must be allowed to own the movement and the best way to feel part of a movement in this day and age is contribute towards its funding. Politicians who are fighting on behalf of the people should not use their own monies even when they are rich. NASA should continue urging wanaichi to chip in as little as 10/- so that they can be part of the movement. The jubilee government is making sure that big international donors cannot fund NASA while Jubilee has unlimited access to state and stolen resources including monies being sent back into Kenya from stolen swiss accounts. NASA does not need even half of what Jubilee will spend but it is better to get that money directly from the people of Kenya than jubilees stolen monies from the peoples of Kenya.The morons have no funds and are now asking supporters to pay to support them
Correct.
But soliciting funds this late suggests desperation. They should have allowed or invited raia to fund them from after the primaries
This is probably a good thing. Looks like IR lacks the backbone for Opposition politics. Only this time, he too is going to be swept away when the fat lady sings on 17th October....or before.
I doubt Jubilee will hold together until then...
This is probably a good thing. Looks like IR lacks the backbone for Opposition politics. Only this time, he too is going to be swept away when the fat lady sings on 17th October....or before.
I doubt Jubilee will hold together until then...
I agree, fighting a sitting corrupt government needs balls made of steel. Imagine what Raila went through with all the national and international media coming down on him to concede or lose his legacy but he held on and the entire country is now benefiting from his ability to remain steadfast under a hail of fire. IR buckled immediately and you do not need such people because the road to Canaan is still rigged with ID's, sea and land mines that can go off any time.This is probably a good thing. Looks like IR lacks the backbone for Opposition politics. Only this time, he too is going to be swept away when the fat lady sings on 17th October....or before.
I doubt Jubilee will hold together until then...
This is why all that nusu mkate eagerness really bothers me. I don't want him to form a nusu mkate anything for anything. I'm sure Uhuru would be happy to give Raila 100 billion plus just to kill the headaches, constant whistleblowing, political uncertainty all the time. They have a big problem with him because they know he doesn't play ball. Which makes him dangerous. Everone else has folded eventually but he never has. And while he has a gazillion faults, I am confident of his basic good will for the country.I agree, fighting a sitting corrupt government needs balls made of steel. Imagine what Raila went through with all the national and international media coming down on him to concede or lose his legacy but he held on and the entire country is now benefiting from his ability to remain steadfast under a hail of fire. IR buckled immediately and you do not need such people because the road to Canaan is still rigged with ID's, sea and land mines that can go off any time.This is probably a good thing. Looks like IR lacks the backbone for Opposition politics. Only this time, he too is going to be swept away when the fat lady sings on 17th October....or before.
I doubt Jubilee will hold together until then...
I admire Raila for that. With his current stature, he could just fold and join the eating party in a big way. But he has not, to his credit. Kalonzo has surprised me the most. A former Moi insider, he has demonstrated a spine I did not expect him to have.
Kalonzo is indeed a surprise but lso are Madvd and Weta. The greatest asset for NASA now is the ability to stay the course. Everybody knows what size of carrot failed to secure the SCOK majority so you can't ask for any less.
Kalonzo is indeed a surprise but lso are Madvd and Weta. The greatest asset for NASA now is the ability to stay the course. Everybody knows what size of carrot failed to secure the SCOK majority so you can't ask for any less.
vooke might be right that NASA may have run out of cash; who wouldn't after running such a massive campaign? But the silver lining in this all exercise is that political parties will not be ashamed anymore to solicit cash from wananchi. And Wananchi will in return feel like they own the campaign process. My local mca had supporters fund his campaign and he easily defeated the incumbent who wash awashed with cash and watnot. This appeal for help might end up being a blessing in disguise.
I asked myself what value IR adds. Looking across the country the place Jubilee could have harvested was Kisii but that has been overturned and locked. Coast is even worse. Narok is the only place Kongi's harvest can be gotten. All other places were already MOASSED.
Kenyan politics are just a version of Koinange Street (with a bit of River Road thrown in). Perhaps not surprising when political parties stand for nothing and cannot be distinguished in any way, other than "that is the one in which our man is a leader".
I think it is more likely NASA support will "normalize" to 6% like Kericho... from 12%. There are NASA supporters that will not move with him. Kenyan politicians are all about money and self interest so Uhuru's fat wallet wins. I imagine he has been rewarded for his "troubles". Don't be surprised if Munya suddenly sees the light too and runs back to Jubilee.
Kenya is not a democracy. This re-run is a waste of time.
It takes sometime for political parties to stand for something. When we became a multi-party we probably thought that the political parties would automatically stand for something like in the more mature western democracies. What is happening in Kenya now is that things are happening which will hopefully lead to political parties standing for something. It is already happening but it has not reached a critical mass. That is why we cannot give up hope.Kenyan politics are just a version of Koinange Street (with a bit of River Road thrown in). Perhaps not surprising when political parties stand for nothing and cannot be distinguished in any way, other than "that is the one in which our man is a leader".
It takes sometime for political parties to stand for something. When we became a multi-party we probably thought that the political parties would automatically stand for something like in the more mature western democracies. What is happening in Kenya now is that things are happening which will hopefully lead to political parties standing for something. It is already happening but it has not reached a critical mass. That is why we cannot give up hope.Kenyan politics are just a version of Koinange Street (with a bit of River Road thrown in). Perhaps not surprising when political parties stand for nothing and cannot be distinguished in any way, other than "that is the one in which our man is a leader".
I don't think parties can ever stand for more than our man's personal political vehicle in Kenya. It's not in the Kenyan psyche; I haven't seen the evidence. If the jubilant loses the coming election(assuming it somehow happens), Jubilee robbed of the power of patronage will just gradually vanish as the rats jump ship. KANU folded, after 39 years in power as soon as they were out of power. Jubilants don't have the stomach for opposition politics. Their members will try to win favor with NASA in their own different ways. There is no Raila there.
The "opposition" would be made up of fringe entities and civil society.
Government is about citizen wellbeing. This means in Sub Sahara where poverty is the principal concern, choice and therefore packaging of parties is rightly about development. The debate is what is the best approach to this? and of course there are many ways to slaughter the elephant. The "developers" mean to say the "reformers" are wrong because excess [public] freedom is disruptive to the economy. Liberals trumpet the freedom dividend.
There is no panacea to prosperity. The US gospel of liberal democracy has been turned on its head by the Asian Tigers and then especially China as the resurgent autocracy without oil. It's a paradigm shift. You saw Jubilee sending a "fact mission" to study the Communist Party without batting an eyelid. Why NASA didn't fuss? -China is a success story to the 3rd world. I see not just the opportunity in the China v West scenario but also the confusion it causes in us.
The conservatives / developers repulse you - Kichwa - because you're a reformer. I don't see your leaning as unfairly ethnic (Pundit's criticism of you). I am saying in many words when "they" beguile you so much... ask why and don't be righteous.
Robina, I have a lot of respect for people with different political opinions from mine. However, I do not consider corruption, tribalism, incompetence, political marginalization, dictatorships, denying people their freedoms, etc as political opinions that I need to respect or accept. I disagree with RV Pundit because he accepts tribalism as a reality and argues that we can have economic development and be corrupt at the same time. I do not think it is the same thing as having an ideological argument. There are certain basic things that we have to agree on first and everything cannot be a matter of opinion. We should all be against tribalism, corruption, dictatorship, impunity, incompetence and bad governance just to mention a few ground rules.
Lol! What conservatism exists in Kenyan politics? Desire for power or more centralized power with fewer checks is NOT conservatism by any definition ever. There's no conservatism in Kenya.
That's not conservatism. It's nationalism or far right politics. Ugly stuff. I know since Trump's weird relationship with ethno nationalists (white racists) this has come to be confused with conservatism but the two have no necessary relationship.Lol! What conservatism exists in Kenyan politics? Desire for power or more centralized power with fewer checks is NOT conservatism by any definition ever. There's no conservatism in Kenya.
Extreme tribalism is some crude form of conservatism.
That's not conservatism. It's nationalism or far right politics. Ugly stuff. I know since Trump's weird relationship with ethno nationalists (white racists) this has come to be confused with conservatism but the two have no necessary relationship.Lol! What conservatism exists in Kenyan politics? Desire for power or more centralized power with fewer checks is NOT conservatism by any definition ever. There's no conservatism in Kenya.
Extreme tribalism is some crude form of conservatism.
Conservatism is an ideology about the role of government in a person's life and the relationship between central government and local governments. Pro-devolutionism is a form of sensible conservatism, actually, fighting the role of the central govt where it's not necessary. Tea partiers take it to a whole other level: govt should NOT even help you to not die if it can be avoided. I've seen some real heartless arguments from deeply religious folks who are Tea-party form of conservative, and it can make your head spin. The most extreme conservatives ever.
To give you a good example to distinguish them, tea partiers like kina Ted Cruz are extreme conservatives. But they are not racists. More like people we think are incredibly heartless vis-a-vis the poor. It tends to get conflated with racism because a lot of poor are disproportionately non-white and of recent migrant heritage. But the core of it is rich and poor.
The thing people associated with Trump are accused of is far sinister. They have zero problems with the govt getting into all these social welfare stuff actually, as long as it's for white people. They are terrified that whites are becoming fewer and losing their power. They are not accused of conservatism. They are accused of straight-up open racism.
What is most unfortunate about American politics in my opinion, is that the two are more and more pushed together so that these days their politics is becoming more and more familiar to a Kenyan like me (more nationalist fights, less fights on proper governance philosphies), which is very sad.
Lol! What conservatism exists in Kenyan politics? Desire for power or more centralized power with fewer checks is NOT conservatism by any definition ever. There's no conservatism in Kenya.
Crowdfunding is a good idea, I pointed out the desperation behind this move. That hurts I know but hats your problem. I'd say the same if Jubilee resorted to soliciting pennies from raia days to the election
You can call it desperation and they can call it money coming in. Why does it bother you so much. Sometimes you make silly arguments just to say something.Actually it is a very good idea to ask supporters to support the campaign as is common in mature democracies. Supporters must be allowed to own the movement and the best way to feel part of a movement in this day and age is contribute towards its funding. Politicians who are fighting on behalf of the people should not use their own monies even when they are rich. NASA should continue urging wanaichi to chip in as little as 10/- so that they can be part of the movement. The jubilee government is making sure that big international donors cannot fund NASA while Jubilee has unlimited access to state and stolen resources including monies being sent back into Kenya from stolen swiss accounts. NASA does not need even half of what Jubilee will spend but it is better to get that money directly from the people of Kenya than jubilees stolen monies from the peoples of Kenya.The morons have no funds and are now asking supporters to pay to support them
Correct.
But soliciting funds this late suggests desperation. They should have allowed or invited raia to fund them from after the primaries
Vooke
What makes you say NASA is desperate and that it's not seeking support for the reasons given and which you partially agree with before returning to the Uthamaki line?
NASA is running its campaign as we speak! Safaricom has practically frozen the funds being contributed citing various excuses. I doubt that that money if any will ever be given to NASA if Jubilee has any say.
This is a genius method to counter the give me kitu kidogo disease. NASA has cured that distemper by reversing the roles.
Jubilee can now pour money and our people are under clear instructions to consume as much of that money as possible. If given 500 they should now the messenger was given ten times what he handed over!
Next week you will see your first roasted chief complete with the ID cards he would have been buying. Chief Choma :D :D :D
Termi, even this is not conservatism. They only oppose change NOW while they wield power, not as a matter of principle. And they are all pro changes that will give them more power. Michuki said it very well,Lol! What conservatism exists in Kenyan politics? Desire for power or more centralized power with fewer checks is NOT conservatism by any definition ever. There's no conservatism in Kenya.
Status quo is the closest one gets to conservatism. They are conservative in the sense that they are opposed to fundamental change. Not because they hold what are typically conservative values.
Vooke
What makes you say NASA is desperate and that it's not seeking support for the reasons given and which you partially agree with before returning to the Uthamaki line?
NASA is running its campaign as we speak! Safaricom has practically frozen the funds being contributed citing various excuses. I doubt that that money if any will ever be given to NASA if Jubilee has any say.
This is a genius method to counter the give me kitu kidogo disease. NASA has cured that distemper by reversing the roles.
Jubilee can now pour money and our people are under clear instructions to consume as much of that money as possible. If given 500 they should now the messenger was given ten times what he handed over!
Next week you will see your first roasted chief complete with the ID cards he would have been buying. Chief Choma :D :D :D
Vooke
What makes you say NASA is desperate and that it's not seeking support for the reasons given and which you partially agree with before returning to the Uthamaki line?
NASA is running its campaign as we speak! Safaricom has practically frozen the funds being contributed citing various excuses. I doubt that that money if any will ever be given to NASA if Jubilee has any say.
This is a genius method to counter the give me kitu kidogo disease. NASA has cured that distemper by reversing the roles.
Jubilee can now pour money and our people are under clear instructions to consume as much of that money as possible. If given 500 they should now the messenger was given ten times what he handed over!
Next week you will see your first roasted chief complete with the ID cards he would have been buying. Chief Choma :D :D :D
Omorlo,
You damn well know it is. They had since April primaries to sell this idea. Why now and not before? They certainly had no need a of raia funds right up to nane nane. They simply snubbed raia and stuck with dinners. Only time they went traia was with adopt-a-station drive.
I'm told the paybill number has been around for months. NASWA Im inclined to believe were inspired by Boniface Mwangi.
I Wish them luck.