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Title: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Omollo on September 02, 2017, 01:00:23 PM
European Union employs a bit of subterfuge such as "Some shortcomings were noted". Not a word on Accept and move!:
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Today’s Supreme Court ruling demonstrates the independence of Kenya's judiciary and the effective electoral complaint mechanism in place in Kenya. The EU election observation mission (EOM) has consistently encouraged Kenyans to use the courts for peaceful dispute resolution, and now calls on all Kenyans to respect the ruling. The petitions process is a core part of an election.

We have followed the petitions process with our observers in the Supreme Court. We have seen that the Court has worked diligently, openly and thoroughly despite short timelines. The mission has noted that lawyers of different teams have appreciated the Supreme Court for providing an enabling environment. The mission will review the detailed judgement once it is available.

The EU EOM’s preliminary statement was presented on 10 August, commenting on the entire electoral process up to and including counting. Some shortcomings were noted, including inconsistent procedures for the complementary mechanisms used and staff difficulties in completing results forms. On 16 August the EU EOM called for the IEBC to publish all results forms (34As and 34Bs), as the delay in publication was problematic. Full transparency is necessary for all stakeholders to have confidence in the announced results.

We call on the election administration to consult with stakeholders, to work transparently and to give regular updates on progress being made. We also call on all parties and candidates to do their part to support a smooth re-run. Agents need to be present in polling stations and tallying centres and need to be able to see and check details.

The EU EOM looks forward to continuing its good relations with all stakeholders and will always welcome information on any problems arising.

The EU EOM is impartial and independent, observing the elections according to Kenya’s national law and the international commitments it has made.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Omollo on September 02, 2017, 01:02:30 PM
The Carter Center. Not a word about the tendentious statement by Aminata Toure or the hefty bribe she received from Jubilee:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpr3AjXcAApUXQ.jpg)
Title: Re: International Election Observers & Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Omollo on September 02, 2017, 01:12:57 PM
The International Media:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DItVyDPXoAIwLta.jpg)
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Nefertiti on September 02, 2017, 02:25:20 PM
That is the issue with not being objective. The expediency at the time was peace - so encouraging riots by calling out anomalies was not allowed. I questioned quite earlier on the capacity of the observers to really observe the process a-to-Z. They do not have it. So they did their mandate - observe 50% and sanitize the results. As you can now see these are press releases and not press conferences :)

I on the other hand will continue to ask tough questions - NASA did not show me any evidence of rigging; they showed me evidence of IEBC's fumbling. Two different things. I wish them well.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Omollo on September 02, 2017, 02:30:35 PM
Robina please define "rigging"
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Nefertiti on September 02, 2017, 02:40:15 PM
Cheating - falsifying results by ballot stuffing, etc. Please note my interest in NASA not Maraga. They managed to expose their ineptitude while pointing at the IEBC. How did govt "ban" mobile phones and photographing forms? -are they the IEBC? Now you are talking about body cameras for ROs and POs :o All I see is a fresh and bloodier round of hammering.

Robina please define "rigging"
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Georgesoros on September 02, 2017, 02:46:51 PM
Robina,
In this case, Fumbling was rigging because it was not allowed. Fudging and switching numbers is rigging.

That is the issue with not being objective. The expediency at the time was peace - so encouraging riots by calling out anomalies was not allowed. I questioned quite earlier on the capacity of the observers to really observe the process a-to-Z. They do not have it. So they did their mandate - observe 50% and sanitize the results. As you can now see these are press releases and not press conferences :)

I on the other hand will continue to ask tough questions - NASA did not show me any evidence of rigging; they showed me evidence of IEBC's fumbling. Two different things. I wish them well.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Nefertiti on September 02, 2017, 02:52:41 PM
Perhpas Parkerpen & Omollo can relate

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Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Nefertiti on September 02, 2017, 02:57:38 PM
Maybe. My worry is NASA's incompetence. No effort at hard evidence at all cause  Matiang'i threatened them... why does noone but me find this puzzling? Instead they think Raila is waiting to be sworn in :o :o :o

Robina,
In this case, Fumbling was rigging because it was not allowed. Fudging and switching numbers is rigging.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Georgesoros on September 02, 2017, 02:58:19 PM
Lets not forget that the process itself - voting - was free and fair. Nobody was intimidated not to vote etc. Its what happened after that.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Georgesoros on September 02, 2017, 03:01:09 PM
Robina
They demanded server logs but am not sure they got them. Thats the reason the court saw incompetence in IEBC. They will get more evidence after they are allowed to see the logs.

Maybe. My worry is NASA's incompetence. No effort at hard evidence at all cause  Matiang'i threatened them... why does noone but me find this puzzling? Instead they think Raila is waiting to be sworn in :o :o :o

Robina,
In this case, Fumbling was rigging because it was not allowed. Fudging and switching numbers is rigging.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Kadame7 on September 02, 2017, 03:04:06 PM
Maybe. My worry is NASA's incompetence. No effort at hard evidence at all cause  Matiang'i threatened them... why does noone but me find this puzzling? Instead they think Raila is waiting to be sworn in :o :o :o

Robina,
In this case, Fumbling was rigging because it was not allowed. Fudging and switching numbers is rigging.
I've heard repeatedly of 100% turnout in some polling stations and all those ones voting 100% for one candidate, as part of the court ordered scrutiny of the forms. Would that not show you deliberate interference and not mere fumbling? I am making time to read the reports but everything Ive seen of whats said of them indicates interference, not just fumbling.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Nefertiti on September 02, 2017, 03:07:22 PM
By "hard evidence" I mean the one in their own hands through agents. Not IEBC. As they tell us - the forms are forgeries - so where are the legit ones? But I got my answer to this from Omollo - NASA agents were intimidated by Mariang'i so they did not do their work. We must take Raila's word that he won and start celebrating.

Robina
They demanded server logs but am not sure they got them. Thats the reason the court saw incompetence in IEBC. They will get more evidence after they are allowed to see the logs.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Kadame7 on September 02, 2017, 03:09:00 PM
By "hard evidence" I mean the one in their own hands through agents. Not IEBC. As they tell us - the forms are forgeries - so where are the legit ones? But I got my answer to this from Omollo - NASA agents were intimidated by Mariang'i so they did not do their work. We must take Raila's word that he won and start celebrating.

Robina
They demanded server logs but am not sure they got them. Thats the reason the court saw incompetence in IEBC. They will get more evidence after they are allowed to see the logs.
There were agent forms submitted to the court as well.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Georgesoros on September 02, 2017, 03:14:10 PM
I have been asking that too. Each agent was supposed to get a copy or a figure of the numbers at each station before transmission. Why didn't NASA make those numbers public and ask IEBC to do the same? Public will compare and make a decision.


By "hard evidence" I mean the one in their own hands through agents. Not IEBC. As they tell us - the forms are forgeries - so where are the legit ones? But I got my answer to this from Omollo - NASA agents were intimidated by Mariang'i so they did not do their work. We must take Raila's word that he won and start celebrating.

Robina
They demanded server logs but am not sure they got them. Thats the reason the court saw incompetence in IEBC. They will get more evidence after they are allowed to see the logs.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Georgesoros on September 02, 2017, 03:14:53 PM
My question is answered.


By "hard evidence" I mean the one in their own hands through agents. Not IEBC. As they tell us - the forms are forgeries - so where are the legit ones? But I got my answer to this from Omollo - NASA agents were intimidated by Mariang'i so they did not do their work. We must take Raila's word that he won and start celebrating.

Robina
They demanded server logs but am not sure they got them. Thats the reason the court saw incompetence in IEBC. They will get more evidence after they are allowed to see the logs.
There were agent forms submitted to the court as well.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: RV Pundit on September 02, 2017, 03:18:01 PM
Iebc gave out six copies to agents.not single genuine one has been presented.No rigging happened.Just iebc fumbling.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: veritas on September 02, 2017, 04:11:30 PM
Cheating - falsifying results by ballot stuffing, etc. Please note my interest in NASA not Maraga. They managed to expose their ineptitude while pointing at the IEBC. How did govt "ban" mobile phones and photographing forms? -are they the IEBC? Now you are talking about body cameras for ROs and POs :o All I see is a fresh and bloodier round of hammering.

Robina please define "rigging"

They have plenty of evidence of that but tried that strategy with the supreme court last time and failed.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on September 02, 2017, 04:14:13 PM
They normally observe the lines, camaraderie and peace on voting day.  The most eventful thing they saw was githeriman.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Nefertiti on September 02, 2017, 04:16:12 PM
Maybe. My worry is NASA's incompetence. No effort at hard evidence at all cause  Matiang'i threatened them... why does noone but me find this puzzling? Instead they think Raila is waiting to be sworn in :o :o :o

Robina,
In this case, Fumbling was rigging because it was not allowed. Fudging and switching numbers is rigging.
I've heard repeatedly of 100% turnout in some polling stations and all those ones voting 100% for one candidate, as part of the court ordered scrutiny of the forms. Would that not show you deliberate interference and not mere fumbling? I am making time to read the reports but everything Ive seen of whats said of them indicates interference, not just fumbling.

Kadame please share the names of the polling stations with 100%+ turnout.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Omollo on September 02, 2017, 04:59:33 PM
soma hio Robina:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Kadame7 on September 02, 2017, 05:16:59 PM
Maybe. My worry is NASA's incompetence. No effort at hard evidence at all cause  Matiang'i threatened them... why does noone but me find this puzzling? Instead they think Raila is waiting to be sworn in :o :o :o

Robina,
In this case, Fumbling was rigging because it was not allowed. Fudging and switching numbers is rigging.
I've heard repeatedly of 100% turnout in some polling stations and all those ones voting 100% for one candidate, as part of the court ordered scrutiny of the forms. Would that not show you deliberate interference and not mere fumbling? I am making time to read the reports but everything Ive seen of whats said of them indicates interference, not just fumbling.

Kadame please share the names of the polling stations with 100%+ turnout.
I dont have them. Its secondary information.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Nefertiti on September 02, 2017, 05:38:51 PM

Kadame please share the names of the polling stations with 100%+ turnout.
I dont have them. Its secondary information.

They don't exist otherwise they would be doing faster rounds than Uhuru's rants.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: GeeMail on September 03, 2017, 09:49:21 AM
They normally observe the lines, camaraderie and peace on voting day.  The most eventful thing they saw was githeriman.
For purposes of accountability, foreign election observers are less than useless. Which is sad because they have the potential to do a Maraga with less risk of being Msandoed.
Title: Re: International Election Observers and Media In Reverse Operation
Post by: Omollo on September 03, 2017, 12:50:41 PM
The Moi Owned Rag (https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001253412/supreme-court-decision-leaves-observers-with-an-egg-on-their-face)
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The Supreme Court decision nullifying the August 8 presidential elections has turned the tables on domestic and international observers who gave the poll a clean bill of health.

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The use of their preliminary approval statements by anti-petition lawyers to advance their case at the Supreme Court had already worsened the situation for them.

And yesterday, victors in the decision latched on to the observers preliminary statements to question their impartiality, thoroughness and sense of appreciation of complex political environment in Kenya.

 

While the local observers reacted to say they were misunderstood, their international colleagues kept mum.

“The flak on observers is largely based on misunderstanding of our role and misappreciation of our methodologies. Most observers that I know of issued preliminary statements based on their field observation on voting process and not the technical aspect of transmission,” Mule Musau, Electoral Observation Group (Elog) national coordinator told Sunday Standard yesterday.

On election day, the group had 8,300 observers across all 47 counties and 290 constituencies. Of these 1,703 conducted a Parallel Vote Tabulation (PVT) exercise whose results matched the official results released by the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC).

The PVT observers observed all the processes in sampled polling stations and recorded the official figures as announced by the presiding officers at the sampled polling stations. These figures were later used to draw the projections.

Although their July/August long term observer report had clearly outlined the transmission process, the preliminary report issued on August 11 did not speak to transmission. This despite the fact that transmission had been flagged out as a contentious issue by NASA.

Contentious issue

ALSO READ: Uhuru vows to ‘fix’ court after poll

“Very few or none of observers could speak to transmission because we lacked technical expertise and authority to delve into it. Our initial forays into that route encountered accessibility issues which even surfaced at the Supreme Court when they ordered an audit,” Musau explained.

In the July/August report, Elog had made it clear that its understanding of the process was that presiding officers would, in presence of agents, type results into KIEMS tablets as captured in Form 34A, scan the form using the tablet, confirm the typed results and electronically transmit them to both constituency tallying centre and the national tallying centre.

“Unfortunately we may have to bear the political aspersions but as far as our processes were concerned, they were scientific, foolproof and verifiable. Our understanding thus far is that the court has nullified the election on the basis of credibility of the process and until we get the details of the ruling, we cannot say much,” Musau added.

He however said Elog’s longterm observation team kept pointing out issues which were affecting the integrity of the process, from lack of comprehensive voter education, IEBC’s failures on audit of voter register, prevalent use of hate-speech, violence and intimidation to lack of foolproof legal framework governing the election.

Other organisations which gave the poll a clean bill of health and who had not responded to our inquiries by yesterday included the Carter Centre, the African Union Observer mission and the EU observer group.

However, a review of some of their preliminary reports reveals that some of them raised credibility issues even as they approved the process. For instance, in their statement two days after the election and before a winner was pronounced, the Carter Centre acknowledged that the electronic transmission of results from the polling stations to the 290 constituency centres “proved unreliable.”

“The IEBC advised election officials to revert to the paper copies of the results forms, which provided a reliable mechanism to tabulate the results. Unofficial results were also transmitted to the national tally centre, where they were posted on its website.”

ALSO READ: Uhuru vows to ‘fix’ court after poll

“Unfortunately, the early display of vote tallies at the national level was not accompanied by the scans of polling station results forms as planned, nor labelled unofficial, leading to some confusion regarding the status of official results,” Carter Centre said on August 10.

The Centre’s short-term election observation mission was led by John Kerry, former US secretary of state and Dr Aminata Touré, former prime minister of Senegal. It included more than 100 observers from 34 countries in Africa and around the world.

On election day, their team was spread in 424 polling stations in 185 constituencies across 39 counties, and the vote tallying process in 36 constituency tallying centres.

Lack of transparency

The centre also regretted failure to apply the Campaign Financing Act in the elections, failure to punish breaches of electoral code of conduct, use of courts to “delegitimise the authority of IEBC”, lack of transparency on the part of IEBC and intimidation of judiciary.

They also complained of lack of transparency in the audit of the voter register, IEBC’s failure to act on integrity issues raised against 106 aspirants, chaotic party primaries.Later on August 17, Carter Centre issued another statement regretting acts of violence and urging IEBC to finalise the posting of the Form 34As as expeditiously as possible ahead of the August 18 deadline to file presidential petition.

The decision also called the bluff on risk assessment agencies which had predicted hard times for the opposition in overturning the election. Exotix Capital had predicted that absence of supportive or corroborative evidence from observers would weaken NASA claims on poll theft.

Immediately after the decision was announced yesterday, Exotix send a positive outlook with Faith Mwangi, their Nairobi analysts stating:

“This unprecedented ruling gives a much-needed boost of confidence in the system, with the population suddenly seeing election irregularities being handled correctly via the courts.”