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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on September 01, 2017, 12:46:51 PM
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Now, the average voter sees him as a thief; he stole votes.
Babu on top of all else has the victim sympathy on his side as he was robbed of his victory in broad daylight.
Add to this IEBC is now at NASA's mercy. Anything Babu demands they will deliver. So 102% transparency and 103% accountability not to mention 104% verifiability
Uhuru will go down
Watch that 4% evaporate in a New York Minute
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Uhuru has the incumbency. He was found innocent of any malpractise. My initial instinct is Uhuru will win by bigger margin than 54%. Kenyans don't vote on morality. Uhuru won in first term when he was facing trial for crimes against humanity. People vote their interests. Uhuru has 220 Mps. Nearly 30 Governors. Several MCAS working for him. And he has positions to give to losers btw now and nov 1st. Lets not talk about tonnes of money and the coercive power.
I don't think NASA will be ready for this election anytime now. I think now they will want to stall or cause civil disobedience and try to cut some NUSU MKATE deal. They know they cannot rule without parliament. They are not going for elections.
NASA will demand new IEBC - new systems - and new commissioners- new secretariat - or the UN - all that cannot be granted in sixth days.
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Uhuru has the incumbency. He was found innocent of any malpractise. My initial instinct is Uhuru will win by bigger margin than 54%. Kenyans don't vote on morality. Uhuru won in first term when he was facing trial for crimes against humanity. People vote their interests. Uhuru has 220 Mps. Nearly 30 Governors. Several MCAS working for him. And he has positions to give to losers btw now and nov 1st.
I don't think NASA will be ready for this election anytime now. I think now they will want to stall or cause civil disobedience and try to cut some NUSU MKATE deal. They know they cannot rule without parliament. They are not going for elections.
Uhuru is the most guilty party in all this. IEBC just facilitated his theft. We will know when the IEBC saff start singing like canaries during their upcoming trials. Poors sods could wind up dead well before they're even tried.
UHURU Kenyatta is an electoral thief and the world has seen it.
Period.
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That is your own judgement. The judges found Uhuru innocent. And IEBC guilty.
Uhuru is the most guilty party in all this. IEBC just facilitated his theft. We will know when the IEBC saff start singing like canaries during their upcoming trials. Poors sods could wind up dead well before they're even tried.
UHURU Kenyatta is an electoral thief and the world has seen it.
Period.
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Uhuru has the incumbency. He was found innocent of any malpractise. My initial instinct is Uhuru will win by bigger margin than 54%. Kenyans don't vote on morality. Uhuru won in first term when he was facing trial for crimes against humanity. People vote their interests. Uhuru has 220 Mps. Nearly 30 Governors. Several MCAS working for him. And he has positions to give to losers btw now and nov 1st. Lets not talk about tonnes of money and the coercive power.
I don't think NASA will be ready for this election anytime now. I think now they will want to stall or cause civil disobedience and try to cut some NUSU MKATE deal. They know they cannot rule without parliament. They are not going for elections.
NASA will demand new IEBC - new systems - and new commissioners- new secretariat - or the UN - all that cannot be granted in sixth days.
All these things barely got him past 50%. There is something to be said for the excitement that will greet NASWA strongholds and semi strongholds. The turnout is likely to be crazy
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There is no scenario I have ever ran (Omollo also tried ) that has Raila winning by 50%. And all scenarios I have ran for 2013 and 2017 has Uhuru worse case at 50%/ The turn out is going to be crazy all over the country. The thing is NASA and Raila knows he is not going to win or ran Gok. The next days be ready for impossible demands all geared towards NUSU MKATE. Uhuru has to stay the course - he has to stand strong and demand for election within 60 days - whatever NASA want and court wants - let them be granted - but new election need to be held.
If Uhuru had advantage in 8th August - that advantage is now bigger.
All these things barely got him past 50%. There is something to be said for the excitement that will greet NASWA strongholds and semi strongholds. The turnout is likely to be crazy
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I don't agree with you Pundit... the ruling is in favor of Raila and so is the political momentum. Expect an avalanche of downstream petitions. So we might wind up with a rerun of all 6 elections. Don't worry, even without them my MOAS might be upheld - Jubilee takes parliament, NASA takes PORK :zen:
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There is no scenario I have ever ran (Omollo also tried ) that has Raila winning by 50%. And all scenarios I have ran for 2013 and 2017 has Uhuru worse case at 50%/ The turn out is going to be crazy all over the country. The thing is NASA and Raila knows he is not going to win or ran Gok. The next days be ready for impossible demands all geared towards NUSU MKATE. Uhuru has to stay the course - he has to stand strong and demand for election within 60 days - whatever NASA want and court wants - let them be granted - but new election need to be held.
If Uhuru had advantage in 8th August - that advantage is now bigger.
50% may seem optimistic but the way I see it is, Uhuru must have connived with IEBC. It may not be proven but the irregularities surely benefit the winner. They frustrated access to their servers. All this tells me that the 54% was inflated.
I agree Babu will have nightmares governing with only 1/3 minority
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We shall see in few weeks what political momentum Raila has if any. The issue for many in the battleground now is 2 bird in the forest or 1 bird in hand.You know how that riddle end.Obviously each stronghold is now harden and will turn out at 90%. It should not be hard to measure the political wind in few weeks.
As regard to petition - let wait for judgement - SCOK may have re-written the rules and made it impossible for IEBC to win a petition.
My contention - NASA don't and will not want election in 60 days. They will try NUSU MKATE.
I don't agree with you Pundit... the ruling is in favor of Raila and so is the political momentum. Expect an avalanche of downstream petitions. So we might wind up with a rerun of all 6 elections. Don't worry, even without them my MOAS might be upheld - Jubilee takes parliament, NASA takes PORK :zen:
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And they may just get it.
My contention - NASA don't and will not want election in 60 days. They will try NUSU MKATE.
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And they may just get it.
My contention - NASA don't and will not want election in 60 days. They will try NUSU MKATE.
Why would they want to share (again) with electoral thieves?
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That is what makes me unhappy. Uhuru is not half as strong as WSR. He will waive the white flag which will complicate Ruto ran in 2013. Odinga and NASA groupies will want that. They will see 2017 is all but gone - even if in the very unlikely event you win - how do you rule with parliament & senate totally against you - so they will try to cause ruckus - and buy time for 2022 where they reckon Ruto will be weaker - than GEMA candidate.
Ruto need to really keep Uhuru on 24-7 watch so he doesn't crack. Chebukati & Chiloba also need to stay the course. Then we have election in 60 days whether NASA want or not. And we beat them again this time with even bigger margins. Now that is my wish.
And they may just get it.
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That is what makes me unhappy. Uhuru is not half as strong as WSR. He will waive the white flag which will complicate Ruto ran in 2013. Odinga and NASA groupies will want that. They will see 2017 is all but gone - even if in the very unlikely event you win - how do you rule with parliament & senate totally against you - so they will try to cause ruckus - and buy time for 2022 where they reckon Ruto will be weaker - than GEMA candidate.
Ruto need to really keep Uhuru on 24-7 watch so he doesn't crack. Chebukati & Chiloba also need to stay the course. Then we have election in 60 days whether NASA want or not. And we beat them again this time with even bigger margins. Now that is my wish.
And they may just get it.
Pundito if you are right, I strongly support you. JUBILEE's hard work of securing all those seats will go down the drain with a nusu mkate. Let's go back to the ballot and face off there
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Ruto's meticulous plans going up in smoke... music to my ears :) You know my reasons - disrupt ethonocracy and LEAPFROG (MOON Ki are you in?) to meritocracy.
However am for proper elections and not nusu mkate. Just have a clean winner. In that case I vote NASA from all the way in Palm Springs.
That is what makes me unhappy. Uhuru is not half as strong as WSR. He will waive the white flag which will complicate Ruto ran in 2013. Odinga and NASA groupies will want that. They will see 2017 is all but gone - even if in the very unlikely event you win - how do you rule with parliament & senate totally against you - so they will try to cause ruckus - and buy time for 2022 where they reckon Ruto will be weaker - than GEMA candidate.
Ruto need to really keep Uhuru on 24-7 watch so he doesn't crack. Chebukati & Chiloba also need to stay the course. Then we have election in 60 days whether NASA want or not. And we beat them again this time with even bigger margins. Now that is my wish.
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Pundito if you are right, I strongly support you. JUBILEE's hard work of securing all those seats will go down the drain with a nusu mkate. Let's go back to the ballot and face off there
If the presidential election was rigged how can you vouch for the rest of the "hard work"?
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We shall see - my bet is Raila is looking for NUSU mkate - he is not going for election in 60 days - the Judges have given him a perfect excuse for nusu-mkate - I expect Raila to demand election cannot be conducted by IEBC - and as already alluded UN or something else.
My contention is that NASA will not be ready in 60 days for an election. They are already broken and most of their supporters are in fix - 2 birds in forest or one at hand.
AS I foresee... this will pan out as either
1) Proceed and hold election against NASA wishes -They have parliament & senate - if Chebukati or anyone resign - they can be replaced easily the same day if need be .
2) Judiciary - NASA will ran there nearly every day - They will try to get extension as they blockade every IEBC activity.
3) Uhuru acting under some softie advice will cut deal - parliament & senate will pass stupid constitutional ammendement akin to NARA ACT - but Ruto will definitely oppose that.
The Uhuru that will come out in few days is either 1) the softie who gave up pork to maDVD 2) the angry reckless furious uhuru who bangs table. I am going to wait for that. If he rigged - he'll go the softie way - if he reckon he win without rigging he go for re-run.
Pundito if you are right, I strongly support you. JUBILEE's hard work of securing all those seats will go down the drain with a nusu mkate. Let's go back to the ballot and face off there
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I see UhuRuto sticking together like glue. Uhuru is not Kibaki coward, he is not shaky. They will resist nusu mkate and the outcome will depend on downstream ruling. I need to see opinion on that. Winners and losers on both sides will go separate ways especially in swing counties... which gives Jubilee the bigger headache. Kiraitus and Tunais would not want to face debe again and thus wil back nusu mkate.
We shall see - my bet is Raila is looking for NUSU mkate - he is not going for election in 60 days - the Judges have given him a perfect excuse for nusu-mkate - I expect Raila to demand election cannot be conducted by IEBC - and as already alluded UN or something else.
My contention is that NASA will not be ready in 60 days for an election. They are already broken and most of their supporters are in fix - 2 birds in forest or one at hand.
AS I foresee... this will pan out as either
1) Proceed and hold election against NASA wishes -They have parliament & senate - if Chebukati or anyone resign - they can be replaced easily the same day if need be .
2) Judiciary - NASA will ran there nearly every day - They will try to get extension as they blockade every IEBC activity.
3) Uhuru acting under some softie advice will cut deal - parliament & senate will pass stupid constitutional ammendement akin to NARA ACT - but Ruto will definitely oppose that.
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You're mixing it up. The other elections are valid. If you dispute - then you have to file petition - none of those will be ready in six months. Unlike PORK petition - filling itself take 1month - replies 1 month - etc etc.
Now they are two things to watch 1) If Uhuru agree to NUSU mkate & NASA delay tactis - it means he rigged and he is on shaky ground 2) if he proceed to facilitate and insist on 60 days re-run - ( he has executive & parliament - Odunga can of course make his rullings) - then you know he won and is confident of winning again.
I see UhuRuto sticking together like glue. Uhuru is not Kibaki coward, he is not shaky. They will resist nusu mkate and the outcome will depend on downstream ruling. I need to see opinion on that. Winners and losers on both sides will go separate ways especially in swing counties... which gives Jubilee the bigger headache. Kiraitus and Tunais would not want to face debe again and thus wil back nusu mkate.
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Master Rigger is about to speak....
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Pundito if you are right, I strongly support you. JUBILEE's hard work of securing all those seats will go down the drain with a nusu mkate. Let's go back to the ballot and face off there
If the presidential election was rigged how can you vouch for the rest of the "hard work"?
Robina,
The negligible number of petitions filed to date persuade me there was minimal irregularities in the other elections.
I'm no jubilee but I'm saying if I were in Ouru's shoes, I'd not negotiate with Babu; the sweet majority juices would evaporate. I doubt even jubilee members wish for this.
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Pundito if you are right, I strongly support you. JUBILEE's hard work of securing all those seats will go down the drain with a nusu mkate. Let's go back to the ballot and face off there
If the presidential election was rigged how can you vouch for the rest of the "hard work"?
Robina,
The negligible number of petitions filed to date persuade me there was minimal irregularities in the other elections.
I'm no jubilee but I'm saying if I were in Ouru's shoes, I'd not negotiate with Babu; the sweet majority juices would evaporate. I doubt even jubilee members wish for this.
vooke,
I suspect intended petitioners were holding back waiting for this judgement before making a go of it. I see a stampede to the courts for redress. Mama Safi needs to do the same.
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Uhuru could have entered talks with NASA for NUSU Mkate a day after he stole.
Vooke can estimate for you how much Jubilee needs to even come close to half of the rigged totals. I doubt that the same "donors" would troop in with cash on promises of contracts and tenders as before. The shilling is already taking a beating. My bet is that they would instead give the money to Raila / NASA.
I can see you are still thinking in terms of stealing and fraud. A conman who is caught and splashed in newspapers cannot carry out another con. He is usually damaged goods.
We shall see - my bet is Raila is looking for NUSU mkate - he is not going for election in 60 days - the Judges have given him a perfect excuse for nusu-mkate - I expect Raila to demand election cannot be conducted by IEBC - and as already alluded UN or something else.
My contention is that NASA will not be ready in 60 days for an election. They are already broken and most of their supporters are in fix - 2 birds in forest or one at hand.
AS I foresee... this will pan out as either
1) Proceed and hold election against NASA wishes -They have parliament & senate - if Chebukati or anyone resign - they can be replaced easily the same day if need be .
2) Judiciary - NASA will ran there nearly every day - They will try to get extension as they blockade every IEBC activity.
3) Uhuru acting under some softie advice will cut deal - parliament & senate will pass stupid constitutional ammendement akin to NARA ACT - but Ruto will definitely oppose that.
The Uhuru that will come out in few days is either 1) the softie who gave up pork to maDVD 2) the angry reckless furious uhuru who bangs table. I am going to wait for that. If he rigged - he'll go the softie way - if he reckon he win without rigging he go for re-run.
Pundito if you are right, I strongly support you. JUBILEE's hard work of securing all those seats will go down the drain with a nusu mkate. Let's go back to the ballot and face off there
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Chebukati is blaming his juniors.
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vooke,
I suspect intended petitioners were holding back waiting for this judgement before making a go of it. I see a stampede to the courts for redress. Mama Safi needs to do the same.
What's with you with Mama Safi? My personal favorite for petition win is Peter Munya. I see Kiraitu as the ultimate insider of the status quo.
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Uhuru seems to have been woken up by Ruto and Mama Ngina to react to the ruling. Calls the judges 'six people'.
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Uhuru seems to have been woken up by Ruto and Mama Ngina to react to the ruling. Calls the judges 'six people'.
This is a chap that is used to having his way. This is a new experience for him. Na bado.
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Now, the average voter sees him as a thief; he stole votes.
Babu on top of all else has the victim sympathy on his side as he was robbed of his victory in broad daylight.
Add to this IEBC is now at NASA's mercy. Anything Babu demands they will deliver. So 102% transparency and 103% accountability not to mention 104% verifiability
Uhuru will go down
Watch that 4% evaporate in a New York Minute
But on the other hand, if Jubilee pours every last dime into this race, they may recover all their handicap. It may all boil down to money
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Attempts to buy SCOK as exposed by Nation if true is another pointer to where we are headed; a one-termer president.
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I'm hearing he went to Narok today and got a very rude welcome. As things stand his early campaigns are easily seen for what they are. Massive panic. NASA sitting pretty will unleash a few high voltage rallies and romp home to victory. IEBC is scared stiff already. Nobody wants to be seen ad servants quarters of Ichaweri. My sympathies to the Sukoi man. Luckily he can claim after the loss he was hit by a bout of cholera.
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He is rattled but still dangerous. The momentum is with NASA as of now. How and whether they maintain and exploit it to victory remains to be seen.
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He should take Awoli's advice and relax a little bit, reflect before he hits the campaign trail
He is rattled but still dangerous. The momentum is with NASA as of now. How and whether they maintain and exploit it to victory remains to be seen.
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He is rattled but still dangerous. The momentum is with NASA as of now. How and whether they maintain and exploit it to victory remains to be seen.
Honestly, Uhuru looks to me like the kid who has just realized he must actually study for the exam next week. Already in Narok? :D I genuinely feel bad for him coz however you slice it, it must sting like hell to lose meat in your mouth. But he must quit the threats.
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Nyamira where Matiangi worked so hard to deliver is gone/going. It's ironical that he claimed to have appointed Maraga
That's 95K out of 1.4M.
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Honestly, Uhuru looks to me like the kid who has just realized he must actually study for the exam next week. Already in Narok? :D I genuinely feel bad for him coz however you slice it, it must sting like hell to lose meat in your mouth. But he must quit the threats.
No Kadame, they shouldn't waste any of these 60 days or less. That's no panic but pragmatism. I think MoonKi is right; Babu celebrated too early. Uhuruto have to twist and turn this thrashing into a sellable campaign message. Being an underdog,he must work twice as hard. And don mention the possibility that part of the 54% may have been procured through rigging
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Nyamira where Matiangi worked so hard to deliver is gone/going. It's ironical that he claimed to have appointed Maraga
That's 95K out of 1.4M.
In that 1.4m votes there's a large volume of server bot votes.
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Nyamira where Matiangi worked so hard to deliver is gone/going. It's ironical that he claimed to have appointed Maraga
That's 95K out of 1.4M.
In that 1.4m votes there's a large volume of server bot votes.
We'll find out soon
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Nobody is saying that he should not campaign but many are saying he needs to campaign soberly and if he needs time to be sober then he should take some time. There is really enough time to campaign. As for NASA, they better take some time reorganizing and re strategizing rather than jumping into campaign just to be seen as to be doing so. This campaign needs more time planning than just going around making noise.
Honestly, Uhuru looks to me like the kid who has just realized he must actually study for the exam next week. Already in Narok? :D I genuinely feel bad for him coz however you slice it, it must sting like hell to lose meat in your mouth. But he must quit the threats.
No Kadame, they shouldn't waste any of these 60 days or less. That's no panic but pragmatism. I think MoonKi is right; Babu celebrated too early. Uhuruto have to twist and turn this thrashing into a sellable campaign message. Being an underdog,he must work twice as hard. And don mention the possibility that part of the 54% may have been procured through rigging
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Nobody is saying that he should not campaign but many are saying he needs to campaign soberly and if he needs time to be sober then he should take some time. There is really enough time to campaign. As for NASA, they better take some time reorganizing and re strategizing rather than jumping into campaign just to be seen as to be doing so. This campaign needs more time planning than just going around making noise.
Uhuru drinking is not helping,nor is attacking Maraga. He should be smart enough to attack the SCOK collectively as Kisii's are taking offense. But moving around? They are doing badly in my opinion. They should do a minimum of 4 counties daily. As I said, they must package the loss at SCOK into a mwananchi commodity. Ruto was wondering why 4 men should trash 8M voters' will. I like that. SCOK will be a permanent subject throughout the campaigns by both sides and well after the elections.
Their last campaign was well oiled and intense while NASWA was plain drab probably because they were plain broke. The results are evidence though NASWA have a perfect excuse for their thrashing
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What most people do not appreciate is how expensive the campaign is for the opposition especially when the government was doing everything it can to make sure NASA does not get any money outside the country and also frustrating their sources of income inside the country.
Nobody is saying that he should not campaign but many are saying he needs to campaign soberly and if he needs time to be sober then he should take some time. There is really enough time to campaign. As for NASA, they better take some time reorganizing and re strategizing rather than jumping into campaign just to be seen as to be doing so. This campaign needs more time planning than just going around making noise.
Uhuru drinking is not helping,nor is attacking Maraga. He should be smart enough to attack the SCOK collectively as Kisii's are taking offense. But moving around? They are doing badly in my opinion. They should do a minimum of 4 counties daily.
Their last campaign was well oiled and intense while NASWA was plain drab probably because they were plain broke. The results are evidence though NASWA have a perfect excuse for their thrashing
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More Omogusii "our man" manenos....
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Another hint that Uhuru is going down is JUBILEE's defense of IEBC.
NASWA by sheer luck of design have managed to get Jubilee defensive of IEBC. Who defends a body accused of illegalities and irregularities? Jubilee should agree to all NASWA whims provided the election is held in under 60 days. Grandstanding makes them look bad and they can't win war of words with NASWA who occupy a higher moral ground as far as the court of public opinion is concerned.
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You don't make unreasonable demands when timeline is 60 days. There is no time to make any serious changes to IEBC. The secretariat and the Returning Officers - those that didn't sign or failed to do abc as per the court - should be fired - and their assistant elevate to do the job.
Another hint that Uhuru is going down is JUBILEE's defense of IEBC.
NASWA by sheer luck of design have managed to get Jubilee defensive of IEBC. Who defends a body accused of illegalities and irregularities? Jubilee should agree to all NASWA whims provided the election is held in under 60 days. Grandstanding makes them look bad and they can't win war of words with NASWA who occupy a higher moral ground as far as the court of public opinion is concerned.
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There are a lot of changes besides the secretariat that has to be made. In its retreat today, NASA will designate a legal team that will have to negotiate with IEBC and Jubilee for the technical changes that must be made so that the politicians can continue with the campaign.
You don't make unreasonable demands when timeline is 60 days. There is no time to make any serious changes to IEBC. The secretariat and the Returning Officers - those that didn't sign or failed to do abc as per the court - should be fired - and their assistant elevate to do the job.
Another hint that Uhuru is going down is JUBILEE's defense of IEBC.
NASWA by sheer luck of design have managed to get Jubilee defensive of IEBC. Who defends a body accused of illegalities and irregularities? Jubilee should agree to all NASWA whims provided the election is held in under 60 days. Grandstanding makes them look bad and they can't win war of words with NASWA who occupy a higher moral ground as far as the court of public opinion is concerned.
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Kichwa there is no time for that.iebc should independently read and asses the changes needed for the re run.jubilee should refuse any negotiation.
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Only individuals need to change - secretariat - not laws. IEBC itself can independently revise its working manuals. IEBC can even run back to court and the candidates can be ordered not to interfere with its functioning.
Kichwa there is no time for that.iebc should independently read and asses the changes needed for the re run.jubilee should refuse any negotiation.
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Exactly.let iebc read the rulling and makes changes that satisfy the judiciary.nasa will not be satisfied until chebukati makes Raila pork
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Let us wait for the ruling. There are certain concerns which will be raised in the ruling that Chebukati will have to make or they will be overturned again and again by this court. Chebukati has to divorce himself from Jubilee and grow some balls and a spine. He should tell NIS to stop pushing him around like the forced him to declare ouruto winners, kivuitu style, when he did not have all the statutory forms completed and verified. He should therefore fire the secretariat and then work with the lawyers from both sides to to comply with the courts findings and rulings.
Kichwa there is no time for that.iebc should independently read and asses the changes needed for the re run.jubilee should refuse any negotiation.
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There are a lot of changes besides the secretariat that has to be made. In its retreat today, NASA will designate a legal team that will have to negotiate with IEBC and Jubilee for the technical changes that must be made so that the politicians can continue with the campaign.
You don't make unreasonable demands when timeline is 60 days. There is no time to make any serious changes to IEBC. The secretariat and the Returning Officers - those that didn't sign or failed to do abc as per the court - should be fired - and their assistant elevate to do the job.
Another hint that Uhuru is going down is JUBILEE's defense of IEBC.
NASWA by sheer luck of design have managed to get Jubilee defensive of IEBC. Who defends a body accused of illegalities and irregularities? Jubilee should agree to all NASWA whims provided the election is held in under 60 days. Grandstanding makes them look bad and they can't win war of words with NASWA who occupy a higher moral ground as far as the court of public opinion is concerned.
The "worm" is still in the servers. The algorithm will do the same. It too needs to go. Termie needs to format the HDD.
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Some court findings and rulings will be straight forward but some are very tricky and may require further interpretations. This is why Chebukati will still need the input of both political parties. Chebukati should not dismiss them but should entertain their input before he make a decision. Arrogance is not the way to do this thing right.
Exactly.let iebc read the rulling and makes changes that satisfy the judiciary.nasa will not be satisfied until chebukati makes Raila pork
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There are a lot of changes besides the secretariat that has to be made. In its retreat today, NASA will designate a legal team that will have to negotiate with IEBC and Jubilee for the technical changes that must be made so that the politicians can continue with the campaign.
You don't make unreasonable demands when timeline is 60 days. There is no time to make any serious changes to IEBC. The secretariat and the Returning Officers - those that didn't sign or failed to do abc as per the court - should be fired - and their assistant elevate to do the job.
The "worm" is still in the servers. The algorithm will do the same. It too needs to go. Termie needs to format the HDD.
:D :D
I admire your ability to smell a rat from afar. It literally had to get inside my nostrils for me smell it.
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:D :D
I admire your ability to smell a rat from afar. It literally had to get inside my nostrils for me smell it.
Well, seeing as it's proving tricky to find neutral folk to be involved in this, you've earned your stripes as being at times painfully neutral whilst stummornly being unavailable to the opposition when they most desperately need partisan sycophants..
I have half the mind to rear rats simply for smelling purposes.
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Jubilee has contnued to make a tactical mistake by boxing itself into IEBC corner. IEBC committed illegalities and Jubilee continues to act as if IEBC is a servants quarters in Ichaweri. It is NASA that went to court and proved its allegations that Jubilee stole through IEBC. Jubilee is guilty of handling stolen property and collusionto commit a crime. Uhuru's lawyers thought that siding with IEBC allows them to bully the SCOK. The trick fell on its face. As things stand, it is not IEBC/Ichaweri to make demands. A convicted thief has no moral authority to demand conjugal rights and five course meals. NASA is best placed to reject IEBC/Jubilee demands and issue its own.
Another mistake Uhuru made was to persecute NGOs and kill protesters even before dust settled on the thievery. Where Omollo comes from there is a saying about the bravado of a man who farts in the middle of a congregation. When fingers point at him he immediately resorts to violence.
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Only individuals need to change - secretariat - not laws. IEBC itself can independently revise its working manuals. IEBC can even run back to court and the candidates can be ordered not to interfere with its functioning.
Kichwa there is no time for that.iebc should independently read and asses the changes needed for the re run.jubilee should refuse any negotiation.
This reminded me of that time people said IEBC doesn't need to consult the public and stakeholders on its tenderpreneurship deal with Al Ghurair...And when some kept insisting that IEBC has no obligation to share information on all the election processes and documents with the public and interested parties....I mean considering the SCOK ruling indicting this institution and by extension its current holders, the idea of what the scope of its independence should be is not as simple as some may assume.
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There are a lot of changes besides the secretariat that has to be made. In its retreat today, NASA will designate a legal team that will have to negotiate with IEBC and Jubilee for the technical changes that must be made so that the politicians can continue with the campaign.
You don't make unreasonable demands when timeline is 60 days. There is no time to make any serious changes to IEBC. The secretariat and the Returning Officers - those that didn't sign or failed to do abc as per the court - should be fired - and their assistant elevate to do the job.
The "worm" is still in the servers. The algorithm will do the same. It too needs to go. Termie needs to format the HDD.
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I admire your ability to smell a rat from afar. It literally had to get inside my nostrils for me smell it.
To your credit, stupid NASA IT guys predisposed you to that with those ridiculous logs. One of the best things for RAO with this petition is that the court system ensured that we now all know they were not being conspiratorial. I have a sneaking suspicion that someone from IEBC pretending to be an "insider"/spy fed them those stupid logs to embarrass them. And they ran with it without taking two minutes to check them. Or someone really wanted to please RAO at his moment of desperation. Anyway, thanks to the court forcing IEBC to give some information, we now know there was manipulation.
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There are a lot of changes besides the secretariat that has to be made. In its retreat today, NASA will designate a legal team that will have to negotiate with IEBC and Jubilee for the technical changes that must be made so that the politicians can continue with the campaign.
The "worm" is still in the servers. The algorithm will do the same. It too needs to go. Termie needs to format the HDD.
:D :D
I admire your ability to smell a rat from afar. It literally had to get inside my nostrils for me smell it.
To your credit, stupid NASA IT guys predisposed you to that with those ridiculous logs. One of the best things for RAO with this petition is that the court system ensured that we now all know they were not being conspiratorial. I have a sneaking suspicion that someone from IEBC pretending to be an "insider"/spy fed them those stupid logs to embarrass them. And they ran with it without taking two minutes to check them. Or someone really wanted to please RAO at his moment of desperation. Anyway, thanks to the court forcing IEBC to give some information, we now know there was manipulation.
Yes, the logs saga tweaked my skepticism. I became more easy going on the IEBC. I just have to be more open to the fact that facts don't always come in a clean package. That bias is sometimes called for.
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Only individuals need to change - secretariat - not laws. IEBC itself can independently revise its working manuals. IEBC can even run back to court and the candidates can be ordered not to interfere with its functioning.
Kichwa there is no time for that.iebc should independently read and asses the changes needed for the re run.jubilee should refuse any negotiation.
This reminded me of that time people said IEBC doesn't need to consult the public and stakeholders on its tenderpreneurship deal with Al Ghurair...And when some kept insisting that IEBC has no obligation to share information on all the election processes and documents with the public and interested parties....I mean considering the SCOK ruling indicting this institution and by extension its current holders, the idea of what the scope of its independence should be is not as simple as some may assume.
Not really. I would rather the SCOK consultants or the UN or even KPMG took over the reorganization/cleanup role at IEBC. Rather than NASA and Jubilee who have vested interests. This IEBC that has messed is a product of political roundtables. Just like the previous one of Isaack Hassan. I don't see how a Jubilee and NASA committee would produce a better IEBC this time.
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NASA knows they cannot win hence all the attempts to avoid election date. Jubilee should refuse to engage on matters IEBC. Let IEBC do their job. Any odunga step in to create a constitutional crisis vide stupid orders btw now and 17th October need to be neutralized.
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NASA knows they cannot win hence all the attempts to avoid election date. Jubilee should refuse to engage on matters IEBC. Let IEBC do their job. Any odunga step in to create a constitutional crisis vide stupid orders btw now and 17th October need to be neutralized.
They are abusing their goodwill. No doubt JUBILEE's campaign will include this bit; NASWA is not ready.
But SCOK should fastrack that judgement. There's an element of uncertainty as to what changes are needful at IEBC