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Title: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 09:02:24 AM
That mean NASA case is dead on arrival
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Kadudu on August 23, 2017, 09:49:51 AM
Have you gone through all the 54000 forms in order to declare them clean?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 23, 2017, 10:23:47 AM
Kadudu

Asking a propagandist on hire to reason is an uphill task. We all know how the IEBC has frantically been breaking seals and recreating new documents. Pundit claimed that the NASA petition was DoA a day after it was filed. So did Ahmednasir. Both later showed evidence that they had NOT read any bit of the petition. Pundit asked for a link to the petition and Ahmednasir complained that he had not been served! One wonders how then Ahmednasir went through the Form 34As and found them clean! Now you have Pundit posting the same shit.

Here is a highly edited and censored story from The Ethnic Rag (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Raila-Odinga-s-votes-were-reduced--Nasa-witness/1056-4067182-el47l6/index.html):
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Votes meant for Nasa flagbearer Raila Odinga were systematically reduced in various polling stations across the country to lower his final score, a key witness in his petition against President Uhuru Kenyatta’s victory says.

Mr Moses Wamuru is the Embu County ODM chairman and also served as the Nasa county coordinator in August 8 General Election.

Mr Odinga’s presidential petition will rely heavily on the supporting affidavit by medical doctor Nyangusi Oduwo, the economic advisor to Mombasa Governor Ali Hassan Joho, who scrutinised 5,000 Forms 34A used to tally the final results in the August 8 election.

ANOMALIES

Dr Oduwo was tasked to examine the forms supplied by presiding officers to Mr Odinga’s agents across the country, and to compare the same with the Form 34Bs supplied by the commission and Form 34As posted on the commission’s website.

“We got 32,000 Form 34As out of which I examined a total of 25,000 forms. After scrutinising them, I found grave anomalies in 14,078 forms,” he says in the affidavit filed at the Supreme Court.

Among the anomalies he alleges are that some Form 34As do not bear the commission’s official stamp, some are not signed by the presiding officers and deputy presiding officers as required by law while in some instances, results in the forms do not tally mathematically while in some cases the forms do not bear names or signatures of party agents - and without reasons from presiding officers.

NASA AGENTS
Dr Oduwo’s scrutiny further revealed that some presiding officers signed for more than one polling station, some Form 34As were either signed by ungazetted presiding officers or were from ungazetted polling stations, while some were unclear and/or illegible.

He further alleges that in many polling stations within central Kenya and Rift Valley regions, Nasa candidate’s legitimate agents were chased away from the stations and replaced by imposters who were caused to create fictitious names and sign blank Form 34As.

Thereafter, the presiding officers were made to fill in such fictitious results as they desired in favour of President Kenyatta.

Dr Oduwo states that 11,481 Form 34As out of the total 25,000 he scrutinised bear no stamp as required by law.

STAMP
He wants the court to nullify such ballots arguing that on August 5, the IEBC CEO Ezra Chiloba had issued a directive invalidating any ballot paper that was not stamped and directing that the same will be marked as rejected.

“Logically, and as by law provided, any result contained in a prescribed Form 34A, which does not bear a stamp of the presiding officer, must therefore be treated as equally invalid,” Dr Oduwo says in the affidavit.

In Kipkelion West Constituency, in particular Kipkelion primary polling centre, the Form 34A shows that Mr Odinga got 64 votes while the Form 34B indicates 61 votes.

In Bar Siele, Form 34A shows President Kenyatta obtained 268 votes while Form 34B shows 269; no handing over or taking over notes were posted for the forms.

POLLING CENTRES

He further notes that form 34As in respect of Kipsigei Primary School, Simotwet Primary School, Kaula Nursery School, Kimologit Primary School, Lelechwet Primary School, Siret primary School, Kapkese Primary School, Kaplelit Primary School, Murgut Primary School, Chilchila
Primary School, Bararget Cooperative, Tunnel primary School, Boror Nursery School, Koisagat Primary School, Smolel Primary School, Magire Primary School, and Cheborus Nursery School do not bear the commission’s stamp.

He alleges that form 34As submitted by Mr Odinga’s agent in respect of Memba Primary School Polling Station, West Asembo Ward, the former Prime Minister got 437, but form 34B showed he got only 17 votes.

In Kilome Constituency, Mr Oduwo says the original IEBC Form 34B does not match Form 34B uploaded in the Commission’s portal.

VALID VOTES

In this instance, the total valid votes in the original Form 34B is 38,269 while the downloaded Form 34B has 33,757 and therefore creating a variance of 4,512 votes.

In Igembe South, the summation of total votes in Forms 34As comes to 41,834; and yet according to Form 34B in the Commission’s portal, the total votes for President Kenyatta is 43,209, meaning that 1,375 votes cannot be accounted for.

He further alleges that Form 34A in respect of Rabai Road Primary School Polling Station, Harambee Ward, Makadara Constituency, indicates that the total number of valid votes cast is 482, with President Kenyatta garnering 133.

However, Form 34B in the Commission’s portal indicates that the Jubilee candidate has 587 votes and the total valid votes cast are 1,873, which surpass the total number of registered voters legally required in a Polling Station.
Have you gone through all the 54000 forms in order to declare them clean?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 10:30:29 AM
Why would I? Chiloba has said all the forms are clean and without discrepancies. If I am supreme court judge - who would I believe - Raila's affidavit or Chiloba forms starring straight on me.
Have you gone through all the 54000 forms in order to declare them clean?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 10:32:33 AM
Propagandist on hire then. Mara hacker on hire? You see NASA affidavit is as good as Jubilee counter-affidavit alleging  the opposite. IEBC ndio msema kweli.
Kadudu
Asking a propagandist on hire to reason is an uphill task. We all know how the IEBC has frantically been breaking seals and recreating new documents. Pundit claimed that the NASA petition was DoA a day after it was filed. So did Ahmednasir. Both later showed evidence that they had NOT read any bit of the petition. Pundit asked for a link to the petition and Ahmednasir complained that he had not been served! One wonders how then Ahmednasir went through the Form 34As and found them clean! Now you have Pundit posting the same shit.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 23, 2017, 10:55:02 AM
The truth is never by majority. I can see you are slowly warping into the GEMA way of thinking complete with the fallacies.

Propagandist on hire then. Mara hacker on hire? You see NASA affidavit is as good as Jubilee counter-affidavit alleging  the opposite. IEBC ndio msema kweli.
Kadudu
Asking a propagandist on hire to reason is an uphill task. We all know how the IEBC has frantically been breaking seals and recreating new documents. Pundit claimed that the NASA petition was DoA a day after it was filed. So did Ahmednasir. Both later showed evidence that they had NOT read any bit of the petition. Pundit asked for a link to the petition and Ahmednasir complained that he had not been served! One wonders how then Ahmednasir went through the Form 34As and found them clean! Now you have Pundit posting the same shit.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 23, 2017, 11:17:11 AM
54,000 seems to be more than the requisite forms.  The total number of forms should be 41,174.  What are the roughly 13,000 extra forms? 

Also important is whether these forms were availed at the relevant time.  If IEBC is on record, for not presenting a substantial number of these forms to NASA when they were required, it should not make material difference that they now have them.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 11:45:47 AM
I am not sure what other forms are but forms are for - but it should be around this number.
41K - form 34s A.
290 - form 34s B.
1 - form 34c.

Timeline - are set by constitution & laws. Not by NASA demanding for the forms every couple of seconds. IEBC remain constitutional body that enjoys lots of leeway - You really need to proof fraud or serious incompetence something close to that for judges to disregard any IEBC.

54,000 seems to be more than the requisite forms.  The total number of forms should be 41,174.  What are the roughly 13,000 extra forms? 

Also important is whether these forms were availed at the relevant time.  If IEBC is on record, for not presenting a substantial number of these forms to NASA when they were required, it should not make material difference that they now have them.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Kadudu on August 23, 2017, 11:47:25 AM
So to you Chiloba's word is the sole truth? Bwana Pundit, quote Chiloba and and do not make his words yours. This way you will be on the safe side when things prove otherwise. As of 54000 forms being all clean, I beg to deferr due to huge percentage of human error.

Why would I? Chiloba has said all the forms are clean and without discrepancies. If I am supreme court judge - who would I believe - Raila's affidavit or Chiloba forms starring straight on me.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 11:50:30 AM
Huge percentage of human error is NASA spin. IEBC ran 3-4 parralel systems that cures those errors. Nobody is expecting a perfect election. As long as IEBC and Jubilee can proof the errors were not deliberate, were fair, and were not malicious - mambo yenu kwisha. This petition is a waste of time.

NASA should have conceded long before elections were done. I told them point blank 5 yrs or so ago they were not making it. In fact they should not have gone for this election knowing they were losing.

So to you Chiloba's word is the sole truth? Bwana Pundit, quote  Chiloba and and do not make his words yours. This way you will be on the safe side when things prove otherwise. As of 54000 forms being all clean, I beg to deferr due to huge percentage of human error.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: GeeMail on August 23, 2017, 11:51:37 AM
I am not sure what other forms are but forms are for - but it should be around this number.
41K - form 34s A.
290 - form 34s B.
1 - form 34c.

Timeline - are set by constitution & laws. Not by NASA demanding for the forms every couple of seconds. IEBC remain constitutional body that enjoys lots of leeway - You really need to proof fraud or serious incompetence something close to that for judges to disregard any IEBC.

54,000 seems to be more than the requisite forms.  The total number of forms should be 41,174.  What are the roughly 13,000 extra forms? 

Also important is whether these forms were availed at the relevant time.  If IEBC is on record, for not presenting a substantial number of these forms to NASA when they were required, it should not make material difference that they now have them.
Is IEBC producing 34As now because the petition demands or because it needs to be transparent? We asked over and over as results were coming in and IEBC knew they were necessary for transparency and to respect earlier court ruling. Producing them now is ok but it is in bad faith. IEBC sounds more like the left arm of JP.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 11:54:14 AM
NASA had their agents and parrallel systems - if anything they should already have had the majority of those forms.

IEBC operate on laws. Not on NASA whims.

The law demand that IEBC release the original final forms to court in case of any petition. In the meantime they have released copies - including digital - scanned - photo-copies to NASA.

The original copies are now with Judges who will use it to dismiss NASA make-belief petition.

Is IEBC producing 34As now because the petition demands or because it needs to be transparent? We asked over and over as results were coming in and IEBC knew they were necessary for transparency and to respect earlier court ruling. Producing them now is ok but it is in bad faith. IEBC sounds more like the left arm of JP.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: GeeMail on August 23, 2017, 11:54:24 AM
Huge percentage of human error is NASA spin. IEBC ran 3-4 parralel systems that cures those errors. Nobody is expecting a perfect election. As long as IEBC and Jubilee can proof the errors were not deliberate, were fair, and were not malicious - mambo yenu kwisha. This petition is a waste of time.

NASA should have conceded long before elections were done. I told them point blank 5 yrs or so ago they were not making it. In fact they should not have gone for this election knowing they were losing.

So to you Chiloba's word is the sole truth? Bwana Pundit, quote  Chiloba and and do not make his words yours. This way you will be on the safe side when things prove otherwise. As of 54000 forms being all clean, I beg to deferr due to huge percentage of human error.
Pundit you say many things here. You have said Jubilee buys people, buys votes etc. You have even said Jubilee will buy again now that Ruto is preparing for 2022. Why should we believe you won the election fairly?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 11:57:25 AM
Incumbency is a reality. Raila had it in 2013 and exploited it. Most of governors used it. Jubilee will use it. If NASA had any complains about Jubilee bribing votes or unfairly using public resources the first port of call would have been IEBC tribunal. I doubt they raised that complain. Any complain now is an after-thought. The sanctions for election mal-practises could include fine or jail term - after police conduct criminal investigation.

So supreme court will rule IEBC conducted election fairly (just like ALL OBSERVERS conceded) and will ask CID to investigate any election malpractise and take the culprit to court :)

Pundit you say many things here. You have said Jubilee buys people, buys votes etc. You have even said Jubilee will buy again now that Ruto is preparing for 2022. Why should we believe you won the election fairly?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: GeeMail on August 23, 2017, 12:02:05 PM
NASA had their agents and parrallel systems - if anything they should already have had the majority of those forms.

IEBC operate on laws. Not on NASA whims.

The law demand that IEBC release the original final forms to court in case of any petition. In the meantime they have released copies - including digital - scanned - photo-copies to NASA.

Is IEBC producing 34As now because the petition demands or because it needs to be transparent? We asked over and over as results were coming in and IEBC knew they were necessary for transparency and to respect earlier court ruling. Producing them now is ok but it is in bad faith. IEBC sounds more like the left arm of JP.
Which laws was IEBC operating on when it failed to produce 34As but went onto declare results? The law does not require NASA to have agents producing 34A forms. The law requires it from IEBC.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: GeeMail on August 23, 2017, 12:03:40 PM
Incumbency is a reality. Raila had it in 2013 and exploited it. Most of governors used it. Jubilee will use it. If NASA had any complains about Jubilee bribing votes or unfairly using public resources the first port of call would have been IEBC tribunal. I doubt they raised that complain. Any complain now is an after-thought. The sanctions for election mal-practises could include fine or jail term - after police conduct criminal investigation.

So supreme court will rule IEBC conducted election fairly (just like ALL OBSERVERS conceded) and will ask CID to investigate any election malpractise and take the culprit to court :)

Pundit you say many things here. You have said Jubilee buys people, buys votes etc. You have even said Jubilee will buy again now that Ruto is preparing for 2022. Why should we believe you won the election fairly?
Again you show you haven't read the petition. Abuse of state resources including IEBC is included.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 12:23:06 PM
The law says they should have all the forms before making declaration- not that they should share with you.If you dispute - then law - requires they now produces all 34As. In any case IEBC went further - shared the data from key-ed - from the photocopies taken at stations - and from form 34 B.
Which laws was IEBC operating on when it failed to produce 34As but went onto declare results? The law does not require NASA to have agents producing 34A forms. The law requires it from IEBC.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 12:25:37 PM
That is probably their strongest argument - but my bet is supreme court - will ask CID to investigate that :)
Again you show you haven't read the petition. Abuse of state resources including IEBC is included.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 23, 2017, 12:32:54 PM
I don't wish to interfere with your "dialogue". However some things Pundit says cannot be allowed to stand even for a minute. They are toxic.
Huge percentage of human error is NASA spin When one lives in an echo chamber what else do you expect? Look at Senatorial results for Trans Nzioa where the winner announced BEFORE 11,000 results of polling stations were available is no longer the winner as per the portal. It is the same Pundit who shouted Uhuru win based on those portal results. How does the IEBC ... 3-4 parallel systems that cure those errors.???

Nobody is expecting a perfect election. Speak for yourself. For the billions used majority of Kenyans expect more than perfect elections. The problems in the exercise were not natural or unavoidable. They were created by Jubilee so that they could hold on to power after failing to convince Kenyans to vote for them. Jubilee LOST to NASA after all the bravado. They resorted to THEFT!

As long as IEBC and Jubilee can proof the errors were not deliberate, were fair, and were not malicious - mambo yenu kwisha: Here you confuse you wishes with reality. The idea that Jubilee would steal the election then somehow convince everyone that the deliberate actions taken such as blatant forgeries, swapping results to give Uhuru more votes and the algorithm were "not deliberate". Good luck.

NASA should have conceded long before elections were done. I told them point blank 5 yrs or so ago they were not making it. In fact they should not have gone for this election knowing they were losing: Interesting. So you had access to the algorithm plans way back? The truth is that NASA beat Uhuru hands down. He decided to steal just like you stated two years ago that "if he (Uhuru) finds he is losing, he will, like Kibaki steal".

Huge percentage of human error is NASA spin. IEBC ran 3-4 parralel systems that cures those errors. Nobody is expecting a perfect election. As long as IEBC and Jubilee can proof the errors were not deliberate, were fair, and were not malicious - mambo yenu kwisha. This petition is a waste of time.

NASA should have conceded long before elections were done. I told them point blank 5 yrs or so ago they were not making it. In fact they should not have gone for this election knowing they were losing.

So to you Chiloba's word is the sole truth? Bwana Pundit, quote  Chiloba and and do not make his words yours. This way you will be on the safe side when things prove otherwise. As of 54000 forms being all clean, I beg to deferr due to huge percentage of human error.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 23, 2017, 12:34:22 PM
Uhuru was Deputy Prime Minister in 2013 = Incumbency

Incumbency is a reality. Raila had it in 2013 and exploited it. Most of governors used it. Jubilee will use it. If NASA had any complains about Jubilee bribing votes or unfairly using public resources the first port of call would have been IEBC tribunal. I doubt they raised that complain. Any complain now is an after-thought. The sanctions for election mal-practises could include fine or jail term - after police conduct criminal investigation.

So supreme court will rule IEBC conducted election fairly (just like ALL OBSERVERS conceded) and will ask CID to investigate any election malpractise and take the culprit to court :)

Pundit you say many things here. You have said Jubilee buys people, buys votes etc. You have even said Jubilee will buy again now that Ruto is preparing for 2022. Why should we believe you won the election fairly?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 12:44:38 PM
Bla de bla omollosque nonsense.
I don't wish to interfere with your "dialogue". However some things Pundit says cannot be allowed to stand even for a minute. They are toxic.
Huge percentage of human error is NASA spin When one lives in an echo chamber what else do you expect? Look at Senatorial results for Trans Nzioa where the winner announced BEFORE 11,000 results of polling stations were available is no longer the winner as per the portal. It is the same Pundit who shouted Uhuru win based on those portal results. How does the IEBC ... 3-4 parallel systems that cure those errors.???

Nobody is expecting a perfect election. Speak for yourself. For the billions used majority of Kenyans expect more than perfect elections. The problems in the exercise were not natural or unavoidable. They were created by Jubilee so that they could hold on to power after failing to convince Kenyans to vote for them. Jubilee LOST to NASA after all the bravado. They resorted to THEFT!

As long as IEBC and Jubilee can proof the errors were not deliberate, were fair, and were not malicious - mambo yenu kwisha: Here you confuse you wishes with reality. The idea that Jubilee would steal the election then somehow convince everyone that the deliberate actions taken such as blatant forgeries, swapping results to give Uhuru more votes and the algorithm were "not deliberate". Good luck.

NASA should have conceded long before elections were done. I told them point blank 5 yrs or so ago they were not making it. In fact they should not have gone for this election knowing they were losing: Interesting. So you had access to the algorithm plans way back? The truth is that NASA beat Uhuru hands down. He decided to steal just like you stated two years ago that "if he (Uhuru) finds he is losing, he will, like Kibaki steal".

Huge percentage of human error is NASA spin. IEBC ran 3-4 parralel systems that cures those errors. Nobody is expecting a perfect election. As long as IEBC and Jubilee can proof the errors were not deliberate, were fair, and were not malicious - mambo yenu kwisha. This petition is a waste of time.

NASA should have conceded long before elections were done. I told them point blank 5 yrs or so ago they were not making it. In fact they should not have gone for this election knowing they were losing.

So to you Chiloba's word is the sole truth? Bwana Pundit, quote  Chiloba and and do not make his words yours. This way you will be on the safe side when things prove otherwise. As of 54000 forms being all clean, I beg to deferr due to huge percentage of human error.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 23, 2017, 12:54:37 PM
I stopped addressing you even if your handle may appear. My target is to cut off your propaganda delivered in small doses like heroin.

Here is one of the clean IEBC forms you spoke of:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH5iBRhXUAAblUU.jpg)
Bla de bla omollosque nonsense.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 01:09:08 PM
What wrong with the form - this seem like confusion - by agents - whether to write their name or the candidate they were agents for?
I stopped addressing you even if your handle may appear. My target is to cut off your propaganda delivered in small doses like heroin.

Here is one of the clean IEBC forms you spoke of:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DH5iBRhXUAAblUU.jpg)
Bla de bla omollosque nonsense.

Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 23, 2017, 01:12:17 PM
You are something... how about the signatures?
What wrong with the form - this seem like confusion - by agents - whether to write their name or the candidate they were agents for?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 01:14:02 PM
They look okay. I can see the agent started scribbling probably his name....before someone told him to write the candidate name and he wrote Raila Odinga. If you dispute this - IEBC can open the ballot box and manual counting of the ballots can be done.

If this is the 'errors" NASA has identified - then judges will have easy time dismiss this case.

You are something... how about the signatures?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 23, 2017, 01:17:28 PM
We know that strategy. The fake forms will somehow be confirmed by recounts. This after the boxes receives new seals while the safe custody of the County Commissioner!

Do not be too cavalier about this. What is happening is wrong. You may be pleased because it benefits you but know that many many others have done it before and NONE has lived to boast about it in old age.

They look okay. I can see the agent started scribbling probably his name....before someone told him to write the candidate name and he wrote Raila Odinga. If you dispute this - IEBC can open the ballot box and manual counting of the ballots can be done.
You are something... how about the signatures?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 01:19:51 PM
Nothing there is fake. That is just confusion on whether to write candidate or agent name.Otherwise the ID is captured there. IEBC obviously has the names of those agents because they were forwarded to them by NASA and got accreditation. You see agents don't even have to sign. They don't have to be present. These two have their IDS number, telephone number and signature.

What exactly would invalidate this Form 34A and disefranchize the 320 people of Kithungu Primary School - an INNOCOUS mistake by the agent name?

IEBC are trusted by our constitution as independent arbiter to conduct free and fair election.

We know that strategy. The fake forms will somehow be confirmed by recounts. This after the boxes receives new seals while the safe custody of the County Commissioner!
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 23, 2017, 04:43:03 PM
I am not sure what other forms are but forms are for - but it should be around this number.
41K - form 34s A.
290 - form 34s B.
1 - form 34c.

Timeline - are set by constitution & laws. Not by NASA demanding for the forms every couple of seconds. IEBC remain constitutional body that enjoys lots of leeway - You really need to proof fraud or serious incompetence something close to that for judges to disregard any IEBC.

54,000 seems to be more than the requisite forms.  The total number of forms should be 41,174.  What are the roughly 13,000 extra forms? 

Also important is whether these forms were availed at the relevant time.  If IEBC is on record, for not presenting a substantial number of these forms to NASA when they were required, it should not make material difference that they now have them.

I think one of the requirements is that elections are supposed to be transparent, verifiable etc.  IEBC is on record, not just denying these forms to NASA, but saying they are not available.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: vooke on August 23, 2017, 06:03:46 PM
What exactly were NASWA agents signing at Bomas if they had not a accessed all these forms?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 23, 2017, 06:14:43 PM
In the first place NASWA should have had their copies - and would use IEBC form to verify. The claim that their agents were kicked out of Central & RV will be easily dismantled because NASA gave IEBC list of agent before hand. This is party that was given a dog beating and is trying to sell nonsense nobody sane can buy.

I cannot wait for supreme court to examine evidence.

I mean all observers gave the election clean bill of health.

ELOG guys who sampled good number of polling stations and tallied their results agreed with IEBC.

IEBC had 3-4 systems - complete with biometrics - how the hell do you rig?

Then you hear computer generated nonsense - when NASA manufactured SQL Server Log on Win 7 VM machine :) while IEBC ran state - of-the-art Oracle systems.

This party that not only lost election but lost their senses in the process.

Totally shameless.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: audacityofhope on August 23, 2017, 09:27:19 PM
Have you gone through all the 54000 forms in order to declare them clean?

Nothing coming off the IEBC website is "clean". This fake image of Dr. Akombe has already been debunked


Photoshop. Check left hand of fake Dr. Akombe. "Carrying" that heavy document with finger tips. Clearly a false attempt to show that she is back.

(https://pbs-0.twimg.com/media/DH7wNNiXUAAva7M?format=jpg&name=small)

JP/Iebc matharau on CJ Maraga
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: bryan275 on August 23, 2017, 09:29:42 PM
Fantastic effort at cooking documents Mr chiloba. 
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 24, 2017, 12:11:10 AM
What did they sign? Favor me with a copy.

What exactly were NASWA agents signing at Bomas if they had not a accessed all these forms?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: vooke on August 24, 2017, 12:39:33 AM
What did they sign? Favor me with a copy.

What exactly were NASWA agents signing at Bomas if they had not a accessed all these forms?
Before the declaration, Akombe said the results had to be signed first. Are you saying no NASWA agent signed nothing?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 24, 2017, 01:01:54 AM
What did they sign? Favor me with a copy.

What exactly were NASWA agents signing at Bomas if they had not a accessed all these forms?
Before the declaration, Akombe said the results had to be signed first. Are you saying no NASWA agent signed nothing?

If NASA agents did not see the forms, they would not be able to sign them.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: audacityofhope on August 24, 2017, 03:57:23 AM
Aug 23, 2017 8:30 PM

STATEMENT ON FORM 34s

With the concrete evidence NASA has gathered for the Supreme Court, the Court will be unable to avoid confronting the simple, physical reality that over 14,000 Form 34As in NASA's possession have profound anomalies. That's about 40 percent of all forms!  Even if the Court feels that this massive irregularity was not outright rigging, these forms are so fundamentally flawed that they are lawfully inadmissible, and cannot possibly be accepted as evidence of Uhuru’s victory.

The only way to avoid discarding these thousands of Form 34s in NASA's possession from the Court's consideration would be to contend, and prove, that NASA forged these forms.

Salim Lone, Adviser,
NASA Presidential candidate Raila Odinga


https://thestar.liveblog.pro/lb-thestar/blogs/5984a2ad451e8b011a87210b/index.html?liveblog._id=urn:newsml:localhost:2017-08-23T19:30:57.842293:15ecbe4b-5dea-4e7a-aa69-d0a21a4b7b4d-%3Enewest_first
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 24, 2017, 04:19:25 AM
Can form 34b cure a defective form 34a. I do believe Jubilee forged most of presidential forms in central and rv. Raila should just get on with mass action
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: vooke on August 24, 2017, 06:26:45 AM
What did they sign? Favor me with a copy.

What exactly were NASWA agents signing at Bomas if they had not a accessed all these forms?
Before the declaration, Akombe said the results had to be signed first. Are you saying no NASWA agent signed nothing?

If NASA agents did not see the forms, they would not be able to sign them.
Confused.
They were not at Bomas to sign 34As but to verify preparation of 34C from 34Bs.  Did they signed off 34C without either 34Bs or 34As? Or did they sign at all?

There was an elaborate signing ceremony by agents before declaration
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: bryan275 on August 24, 2017, 08:49:35 AM
Can form 34b cure a defective form 34a. I do believe Jubilee forged most of presidential forms in central and rv. Raila should just get on with mass action


And the plan is to use korti bandia to legitimise the heist
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 24, 2017, 09:08:55 AM
Let just say the world has conspired against a Raila win -
And the plan is to use korti bandia to legitimise the heist
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: GeeMail on August 24, 2017, 10:41:51 AM
Omollo's Form34A with Raila and Uhuru's signatures plus their phone numbers ;) is hilarious. Weren't ROs, POs and clerks trained by IEBC? This form blasts Pundit's loudmouth claim of 54000 forms "without discrepancy". Has anybody called that number to ask Uhuru which pen he used to sign this form? Was this form signed by NIS? Was it signed under duress?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: RV Pundit on August 24, 2017, 10:57:23 AM
It's IEBC who made the claim. Chiloba said their forms have NO errors. No discrepancies. Clearly he understand what a discrepancy or error is. As 3rd party observer - I find that form to be okay - seem to be minor confusion - otherwise agents don't need to sign form 34A - those are the extras - without even one signature from agents - that form would still be valid.
Omollo's Form34A with Raila and Uhuru's signatures plus their phone numbers ;) is hilarious. Weren't ROs, POs and clerks trained by IEBC? This form blasts Pundit's loudmouth claim of 54000 forms "without discrepancy". Has anybody called that number to ask Uhuru which pen he used to sign this form? Was this form signed by NIS? Was it signed under duress?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: GeeMail on August 24, 2017, 11:13:19 AM
What happens when you rig mindlessly.

"THAT On  7 th August,  2017, I  reported  together  with  other  clerks  for  duty.  Upon reaching  the  place  of  work  a  clerk of  the  Commission informed  7 names  had  been  replaced  by  others  for  unexplained  reasons. 0  of  us  that  our A  protest  arose  and  we reported the  matter  to Rhamu police  station. The  following  day,  8/8/2017,  elections  proceeded  at    various  polling  station conducted  by  strangers  who  wer e  acting  as  presiding  officers,  but  who  had  not  been trained and had not  taken  oath of  secrecy. THAT this  opened  voter  numbers  to  alteration  at  the  Constituency  Tallying  Centre which  was  moved  to  Sub  County  Commisioners  office  boardroom  against  a  court ord er  which  had  directed Primary  School."
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 24, 2017, 12:18:17 PM
What did they sign? Favor me with a copy.

What exactly were NASWA agents signing at Bomas if they had not a accessed all these forms?
Before the declaration, Akombe said the results had to be signed first. Are you saying no NASWA agent signed nothing?

If NASA agents did not see the forms, they would not be able to sign them.
Confused.
They were not at Bomas to sign 34As but to verify preparation of 34C from 34Bs.  Did they signed off 34C without either 34Bs or 34As? Or did they sign at all?

There was an elaborate signing ceremony by agents before declaration

NASA alleges there was an elaborate rigging scheme.  What is your point?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: vooke on August 24, 2017, 12:23:35 PM
What did they sign? Favor me with a copy.

What exactly were NASWA agents signing at Bomas if they had not a accessed all these forms?
Before the declaration, Akombe said the results had to be signed first. Are you saying no NASWA agent signed nothing?

If NASA agents did not see the forms, they would not be able to sign them.
Confused.
They were not at Bomas to sign 34As but to verify preparation of 34C from 34Bs.  Did they sign off 34C without either 34Bs or 34As? Or did they sign at all?

There was an elaborate signing ceremony by agents before declaration


NASA alleges there was an elaborate rigging scheme.  What is your point?
'They' refers to NASWA Agents
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 24, 2017, 12:29:49 PM
vooke,

You are not making any sense.  You seem to be doubting the fact that NASA has actually filed a petition.  There is a link to the petition shared by Omollo on another thread.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 24, 2017, 12:56:10 PM
vooke,

You are not making any sense.  You seem to be doubting the fact that NASA has actually filed a petition.  There is a link to the petition shared by Omollo on another thread.

I never understand vooke. He comes out with these out bursts from time to time. Then cools down and sees sense before going off again like an ISIS roadside bomb.

NASA did not sign the 34C and had officially pulled out of Bomas after the IEBC refused to supply their agents with the information they needed to verify the results. As you say, all that is in the affidavits which I posted yesterday.
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: vooke on August 24, 2017, 12:58:28 PM
vooke,

You are not making any sense.  You seem to be doubting the fact that NASA has actually filed a petition.  There is a link to the petition shared by Omollo on another thread.
Sorry you misunderstand. I shared the very petition links so I don't doubt that.

This thread is about IEBC forwarding forms 34A,B, and C to SCOK.

NASWA alleges IEBC declared the winner without a significant number of forms 34A and even B. So my question was, since before the declaration there was some signing ritual by commisioners and chief agents, did NASWA sign off form 34C with all these forms missing? Or did they sign at all?

I don't know if they signed, but I can imagine if they did, parts of the petition which claim the forms were missing at the point of declaration will be easily disproved. Just my musings.

I can imagine IEBC's replying Affidavit will include something to this effect
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 24, 2017, 01:02:19 PM
NASA did not sign form 34C. The entire team had left Bomas.

NASWA alleges IEBC declared the winner without a significant number of forms 34A and even B. So my question was, since before the declaration there was some signing ritual by commisioners and chief agents, did NASWA sign off form 34C with all these forms missing? Or did they sign at all?

I don't know if they signed, but I can imagine if they did, parts of the petition which claim the forms were missing at the point of declaration will be easily disproved. Just my musings
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: vooke on August 24, 2017, 01:04:36 PM
NASA did not sign form 34C. The entire team had left Bomas.

Asante ndugu.

Would you know whether Aukot agents signed?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 24, 2017, 01:30:04 PM
Ekuru Aukot is funny. I find him more of a comedian than a presidential candidate. He has a clique of persons on their toes because they think he has the "solution".

Aukot says he did not sign. His chief agent signed it against his express instructions, he claims.

Now Mr. Kagai comes out and says NO! Aukot asked me to sign. He has written a full affidavit on the matter which I am sure one of the parties will use to kick him in the balls (if he still has any).

The clincher is that Ekuru Aukot CONCEDED defeat, congratulated Uhuru for his "win" and turned on Raila to concede. He then took to twitter and released a barrage of anti-NASA tweets mocking the alliance by reversing some of its slogans and basically being a sob. These actions are compounded by the fact that he on numerous occasions after Kagai signed, stated that the elections had been free, fair etc.

I think he was promised something by Jubilee and unlike Jirongo accepted to wait for it. Jirongo demanded cash, had it safely out of Kikuyu hands, then conceded. An old hag versus a new hoe.
NASA did not sign form 34C. The entire team had left Bomas.

Asante ndugu.

Would you know whether Aukot agents signed?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: vooke on August 24, 2017, 01:35:58 PM
Ekuru Aukot is funny. I find him more of a comedian than a presidential candidate. He has a clique of persons on their toes because they think he has the "solution".

Aukot says he did not sign. His chief agent signed it against his express instructions, he claims.

Now Mr. Kagai comes out and says NO! Aukot asked me to sign. He has written a full affidavit on the matter which I am sure one of the parties will use to kick him in the balls (if he still has any).

The clincher is that Ekuru Aukot CONCEDED defeat, congratulated Uhuru for his "win" and turned on Raila to concede. He then took to twitter and released a barrage of anti-NASA tweets mocking the alliance by reversing some of its slogans and basically being a sob. These actions are compounded by the fact that he on numerous occasions after Kagai signed, stated that the elections had been free, fair etc.

I think he was promised something by Jubilee and unlike Jirongo accepted to wait for it. Jirongo demanded cash, had it safely out of Kikuyu hands, then conceded. An old hag versus a new hoe.
NASA did not sign form 34C. The entire team had left Bomas.

Asante ndugu.

Would you know whether Aukot agents signed?

The manner in which he flip flopped over the printing process should have warned NASWA desperate as they were of support to steer clear of him.

It's quite possible he will waste precious court minutes with unhelpful nonsense.

My views about his idealism? Start somewhere, get a job with Jubilee and prove his mettle. Whatever you think of Matiangi, he's made his mark with very simple commonsensical changes in Education.Means anyone can shine even in hell. Same case with PK. Why couldn't he be Sonko's poodle and roll out his ideas for NBO?
Title: Re: Iebc hand over 54000 forms..all clean without discrepancies
Post by: Omollo on August 24, 2017, 01:38:18 PM
You are joking. I know people in NASA who would gladly do business with Jubilee but would be taken to the cross willingly rather than deal with Ekuru Aukot.

The manner in which he flip flopped over the printing process should have warned NASWA desperate as they were of support to steer clear of him.

It's quite possible he will waste precious court minutes with unhelpful nonsense.

My views about his idealism? Start somewhere, get a job with Jubilee and prove his mettle. Whatever you think of Matiangi, he's made his mark with very simple commonsensical changes in Education.Means anyone can shine even in hell. Same case with PK. Why couldn't he be Sonko's poodle and roll out his ideas for NBO?