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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on August 19, 2017, 11:06:47 PM
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Part of NASWA's petition deal with the question of spoilt votes.
The number is not insignificant at about 3%. NASWA acknowledges the 2013 ruling on the subject. Here are the relevant parts
29. The Petitioners aver that this Honourable Court should consider the total number of verified rejected votes in ascertaining whether any candidate met the constitutional threshold....
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E.RELIEFS SOUGHT IN THE PETITION
e. A declaration that the rejected and spoilt votes count toward the total votes cast and in the computation of the final tally of the Presidential Election;
The Petition.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2rMMQJiqMB8QTNpSjhDaFF0Yms/view
Supporting Affidavit
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2rMMQJiqMB8azUzUmU4VTl2QVk/view?usp=drive_web
I think the arguments against including them are very strong. A rejected/spoilt presidential ballot is;
1. Any ballot for another election in the presidential ballot box
2. Blank/unfilled presidential ballot
3. Wrongly filled presidential ballot (marking against multiple candidates/ outside the boxes
4. Fake ballot box
5. Any other foreign paper inside the presidential ballot at the time of counting
Presidential ballots cast in other boxes are spoilt/rejected ballots for the respective elections.
Including them disadvantages the leading candidate and may make a difference between an outright win and runoff. It may also affect the county threshold too though much unlikely.
I understand NASWA is trying as much as possible to force a runoff by chipping off at Uhunye's 4.5% that is in a second best case scenario, the first being nullifying the entire election. But I think this is wasteful of the precious 14 days available to them introducing this aspect.
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Hehehe why would scok revisit this.Rejected or invalid vote is as good as someone staying at home.it doesn't count. This petition is miguna style scatter gun approach...throw everything and hope one sticks
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All interesting arguments until a close examination of the following ballots from the prisons:
Kitale
Registered voters - 7
Portal votes - 2
Rejected votes - 7
Total votes cast - 9 (v odd)
Garissa
Registered voters - 25
Portal votes - 18
Rejected votes - 25
Total votes cast - 43 (v odd)
Manyani
Registered voters - 157
Portal votes - 130
Rejected votes - 157
Total votes cast - 287 (v odd)
Moyale Prison
Registered voters - 6
Portal votes - 4
Rejected votes - 6
Total votes cast - 10 (v odd)
I draw your attention to the rejected votes and final turnout. What do you think when on there?
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Bryan,
I'm not a genius but I consider myself educated. Yet I struggled casting my votes in the relevant boxes. I think we will be having this problem for many elections to come as long as we have 6 simultaneous elections.
Add to this poor voter education and illiteracy.
Finally, throw in rigging, where proper votes are deliberately spoilt.
Whatever you do, ignore the Portal; it's irrelevant
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You expect criminals in prison to vote correctly.They probably did this on purpose.
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You expect criminals in prison to vote correctly.They probably did this on purpose.
Its my expectation that whoever gave them the vote would ensure no criminality took place. I am by the way against giving criminals the vote whilst they're serving time.
This was just another avenue to rig the elections. The turnout was impressive.
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Bryan,
I'm not a genius but I consider myself educated. Yet I struggled casting my votes in the relevant boxes. I think we will be having this problem for many elections to come as long as we have 6 simultaneous elections.
Add to this poor voter education and illiteracy.
Finally, throw in rigging, where proper votes are deliberately spoilt.
Whatever you do, ignore the Portal; it's irrelevant
Yeah ignore the very portal used to create the illusion of the win. Perhaps we should also ignore the declaration of "winner" because not all form 34s had been received at the time the "winner" was declared.
The rush to declare was to harden the position when the inevitable supreme court case came up.
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The court is not bound to stay within the parameters of the sought relief
The issue of spoilt votes is rearing its head again by virtue of the numbers involved. It would appear the 2013 ruling fed those intent on rigging elections and therefore must be reviewed. The court has the power to review its own (past) decisions.
Legislation could have helped but then Jubilee would never deprive itself of such an advantage. In some countries a certain percentage of spoilt votes triggers a repeat poll. Hence when citizens are unhappy with the candidates they vote blank or damage the vote somehow to trigger a re-run.
Part of NASWA's petition deal with the question of spoilt votes.
The number is not insignificant at about 3%. NASWA acknowledges the 2013 ruling on the subject. Here are the relevant parts
29. The Petitioners aver that this Honourable Court should consider the total number of verified rejected votes in ascertaining whether any candidate met the constitutional threshold....
.....
36
E.RELIEFS SOUGHT IN THE PETITION
e. A declaration that the rejected and spoilt votes count toward the total votes cast and in the computation of the final tally of the Presidential Election;
The Petition.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2rMMQJiqMB8QTNpSjhDaFF0Yms/view
Supporting Affidavit
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2rMMQJiqMB8azUzUmU4VTl2QVk/view?usp=drive_web
I think the arguments against including them are very strong. A rejected/spoilt presidential ballot is;
1. Any ballot for another election in the presidential ballot box
2. Blank/unfilled presidential ballot
3. Wrongly filled presidential ballot (marking against multiple candidates/ outside the boxes
4. Fake ballot box
5. Any other foreign paper inside the presidential ballot at the time of counting
Presidential ballots cast in other boxes are spoilt/rejected ballots for the respective elections.
Including them disadvantages the leading candidate and may make a difference between an outright win and runoff. It may also affect the county threshold too though much unlikely.
I understand NASWA is trying as much as possible to force a runoff by chipping off at Uhunye's 4.5% that is in a second best case scenario, the first being nullifying the entire election. But I think this is wasteful of the precious 14 days available to them introducing this aspect.
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I doubt that you have read the petition knowing your history of never reading things but still weighing in on the debates thereof. I also cannot conjure a situation in which you would in all honesty state that NASA has done anything good - petition included.
The lack of a nuanced opinions from your side makes it impossible to dismiss anything you say as cheap Jubilee propaganda. You should replace Tuju.
Hehehe why would scok revisit this.Rejected or invalid vote is as good as someone staying at home.it doesn't count. This petition is miguna style scatter gun approach...throw everything and hope one sticks
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Hehehe why would scok revisit this.Rejected or invalid vote is as good as someone staying at home.it doesn't count. This petition is miguna style scatter gun approach...throw everything and hope one sticks
The kitchen sink approach! Throw everything at it including the kitchen sink
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Did you read a different version of what Pundit wrote or is it the the comprehension bit?
Pundit castigates NASA for "cherry picking". The opposite of that (which would have pleased Pundit) is to get ALL the Form 34A and 34B and like the kitchen sink, throw it at the IEBC.
Please explain how YOU would have gone about it?
The kitchen sink approach! Throw everything at it including the kitchen sink