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Title: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: vooke on August 16, 2017, 10:32:01 AM
Or so would NASWA have it

IEBC weighs in

Itumbi too


Here's NASWA's version

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IEBC Commissioner Roseline Akombe was last night removed  from the plane while heading to the U.S., she was held in custody over the night. Jubilee uncomfortable with her travel perhaps fearing she might spill the bean on the rigging that happened at Bomas.
https://www.kenyanlivefeed.com/the-moment-roselyn-akombe-was-removed-from-the-plane-and-arrested/


Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: vooke on August 16, 2017, 10:41:46 AM

Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: GeeMail on August 16, 2017, 10:55:25 AM
Why should JKA officials apologize for a civil service mistake? This scandal is timely.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Omollo on August 16, 2017, 10:57:23 AM
So where is the Constitutional independence if a mandarin controls their movements?
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: vooke on August 16, 2017, 11:08:07 AM
Reminds me of a time Mutunga left 'without clearance' or something
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: RV Pundit on August 16, 2017, 11:10:51 AM
:)
Reminds me of a time Mutunga left 'without clearance' or something
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Omollo on August 16, 2017, 11:20:29 AM
This clearance thing has to be challenged in court and completely eliminated. The constitution grants all people the freedom of movement and the right to travel without qualifications.

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24. (1) A right or fundamental freedom in the Bill of Rights shall not be limited except by law, and then only to the extent that the limitation is reasonable and justifiable in an open and democratic society based on human dignity, equality and freedom, taking into account all relevant factors, including––
(a) the nature of the right or fundamental freedom; (b) the importance of the purpose of the limitation; (c) the nature and extent of the limitation;
(d) the need to ensure that the enjoyment of rights and fundamental freedoms by any individual does not prejudice the rights and fundamental freedoms of others; and
(e) the relation between the limitation and its purpose and whether there are less restrictive means to achieve the purpose.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: bryan275 on August 16, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
Somebody somewhere is very paranoid about the recent "landslide" election.

Dead fish always come a float... FACT
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: bryan275 on August 16, 2017, 01:52:09 PM
This comment is a prophesy...

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wambua kioko • 12 minutes ago

They will disappear one by one,IEBC helped Jubilee government in rigging the election, total mess.


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Maybe a sticky thread for IEBC officer death watch and tally of disappearances is appropriate.

This "victory" is going to be very expensive in all sorts of ways.

Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Nefertiti on August 16, 2017, 02:23:46 PM
I saw how excited Roselyn was at the vetting committee... she was gona foster "trust" at the IEBC :o... and build bridges among the various stakeholders. Such naivety. Adding Kenyan elections to her international resume is a blot. She needs to return to her UN job while she can.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Georgesoros on August 16, 2017, 03:46:52 PM
I saw how excited Roselyn was at the vetting committee... she was gona foster "trust" at the IEBC :o... and build bridges among the various stakeholders. Such naivety. Adding Kenyan elections to her international resume is a blot. She needs to return to her UN job while she can.
SAD!!!!
She is a great person. She is a US citizen just you know.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: GeeMail on August 16, 2017, 03:50:05 PM
If I worked at IEBC and produced such results I would immediately find an international seminar, meeting or something to attend for a few days or weeks. Never mind that this is less than a week after elections and a flurry of petitions are gearing up to be heard and my presence is required.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Kichwa on August 16, 2017, 03:57:08 PM
I am sure the way Msando was killed send chills down their spins.  She has an opportunity to redeem herself by calling a press conference in New York and coming clean like Githongo did. Eating the money and keeping quiet is not an option to be admired or sympathized with.

I saw how excited Roselyn was at the vetting committee... she was gona foster "trust" at the IEBC :o... and build bridges among the various stakeholders. Such naivety. Adding Kenyan elections to her international resume is a blot. She needs to return to her UN job while she can.
SAD!!!!
She is a great person. She is a US citizen just you know.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: GeeMail on August 16, 2017, 05:31:42 PM
She could testify via video link. Or risk it and come in person.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Georgesoros on August 16, 2017, 05:55:43 PM
Kenya is a Mafia society that can not be reformed.
The only way to reform it is to turn over election to county boards. An innocent Msando was killed because of elections.

She could testify via video link. Or risk it and come in person.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Kichwa on August 16, 2017, 06:26:12 PM
County election boards is one option but also we should seriously consider the parliamentary system  so that we can completely eliminate the presidency.  I think the presidency is a big part of the tribalism, corruption and impunity  in this country because of the way it was abused by Kenyatta and Moi.  We need a fresh start with a new concept of government and a new name for the CEO of our country just to do away with that terrible legacy that Kenyattaa and Moi created.   

Kenya is a Mafia society that can not be reformed.
The only way to reform it is to turn over election to county boards. An innocent Msando was killed because of elections.

She could testify via video link. Or risk it and come in person.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 16, 2017, 06:29:45 PM
County election boards is one option but also we should seriously consider the parliamentary system  so that we can completely eliminate the presidency.  I think the presidency is a big part of the tribalism, corruption and impunity  in this country because of the way it was abused by Kenyatta and Moi.  We need a fresh start with a new concept of government and a new name for the CEO of our country just to do away with that terrible legacy that Kenyattaa and Moi created.   

Kenya is a Mafia society that can not be reformed.
The only way to reform it is to turn over election to county boards. An innocent Msando was killed because of elections.

She could testify via video link. Or risk it and come in person.

About constitution, I think a full-on Federal government is what is needed.  As it stands right now, Kenya is a colony for the benefit of 2 tribes.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Kadame6 on August 16, 2017, 07:04:52 PM
County election boards is one option but also we should seriously consider the parliamentary system  so that we can completely eliminate the presidency.  I think the presidency is a big part of the tribalism, corruption and impunity  in this country because of the way it was abused by Kenyatta and Moi.  We need a fresh start with a new concept of government and a new name for the CEO of our country just to do away with that terrible legacy that Kenyattaa and Moi created.   

Kenya is a Mafia society that can not be reformed.
The only way to reform it is to turn over election to county boards. An innocent Msando was killed because of elections.

She could testify via video link. Or risk it and come in person.
Agreed. Was thinking the same. It's the symbolism of it all.

I don't know why we emulate everything from the west and take zero inspiration from our own culture which was very collegial and anti central leadership. I read that the Kikuyu for example, had uthamaki installed for sometime in the 18th century but only for a short while because soon thereafter the elders determined it was bad for the people: the muthamaki tended to act for his own interests and not the people's interests as had been the norm of leadership  in the community, so they demolished it and ensured collegial leadership at all levels. The top chief, part of the topmost collegial structure was more of a symbol than anything.

Why do we even have a "president" or a "prime minister" in our part of the world? Why isn't he the "chief" or "Laibon" or the "Orkoiyot" Why have an adversarial parliamentary system and not the Njuri ncheke? We despise them because they are ours.

I believe these are the things that brought war to Africa in my opinion. These western systems do not go with our culture. Yes, Kenyatta took advantage of the African collegial spirit of the nationalists of the early years but it was only because he tasted and then was tempted by the power of these Western central systems. He then became obsessed with keeping it from those who expected him to continue in the team spirit and unity of before. But he was like them until the presidency seduced him.

We are always talking about the ills of colonialism and the first and second president but I think our leaders made the blunder of crafting systems that took no account of African values of leadership at all. We borrowed nothing from our own history. We just continued with the same contemptuous attitude to everything African that we inherited from the colonists who demolished those systems in the first place. We are essentially an English experiment. We could have borrowed some and still retained something fundamentally African.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Kichwa on August 16, 2017, 07:20:25 PM
Exactly, we borrowed the multi-party system democracy from the west and borrowed the one party system from the totalitarian regimes of  communist Russia and China.  Kenya is at crossroads, we are very close to finding a solution for our problem of governance yet only one wrong move like the one Mutunga court made can set us back years.  The Maraga court will get another opportunity to set this country in the right path or kick the can down the road again.  I wish they would realize that they can make history by thinking outside the box like King Solomon did. 

County election boards is one option but also we should seriously consider the parliamentary system  so that we can completely eliminate the presidency.  I think the presidency is a big part of the tribalism, corruption and impunity  in this country because of the way it was abused by Kenyatta and Moi.  We need a fresh start with a new concept of government and a new name for the CEO of our country just to do away with that terrible legacy that Kenyattaa and Moi created.   

Kenya is a Mafia society that can not be reformed.
The only way to reform it is to turn over election to county boards. An innocent Msando was killed because of elections.

She could testify via video link. Or risk it and come in person.
Agreed. Was thinking the same. It's the symbolism of it all.

I don't know why we emulate everything from the west and take zero inspiration from our own culture which was very collegial and anti central leadership. I read that the Kikuyu for example, had uthamaki installed for sometime in the 18th century but only for a short while because soon thereafter the elders determined it was bad for the people: the muthamaki tended to act for his own interests and not the people's interests as had been the norm of leadership  in the community, so they demolished it and ensured collegial leadership at all levels. The top chief, part of the topmost collegial structure was more of a symbol than anything.

Why do we even have a "president" or a "prime minister" in our part of the world? Why isn't he the "chief" or "Laibon" or the "Orkoiyot" Why have an adversarial parliamentary system and not the Njuri ncheke? We despise them because they are ours.

I believe these are the things that brought war to Africa in my opinion. These western systems do not go with our culture. Yes, Kenyatta took advantage of the African collegial spirit of the nationalists of the early years but it was only because he tasted and then was tempted by the power of these Western central systems. He then became obsessed with keeping it from those who expected him to continue in the team spirit and unity of before. But he was like them until the presidency seduced him.

We are always talking about the ills of colonialism and the first and second president but I think our leaders made the blunder of crafting systems that took no account of African values of leadership at all. We borrowed nothing from our own history. We just continued with the same contemptuous attitude to everything African that we inherited from the colonists who demolished those systems in the first place. We are essentially an English experiment. We could have borrowed some and still retained something fundamentally African.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Georgesoros on August 16, 2017, 07:26:28 PM
With Ruto in charge dont expect any change that will benefit all.
I know the voting went well but what happened after that?
I thought returning officers from each polling booth submitted their numbers. Were these changed???
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Omollo on August 16, 2017, 07:36:42 PM
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249. Objects, authority and funding of commissions and independent offices.
(1) The objects of the commissions and the independent offices are to—
(a)   protect the sovereignty of the people;
(b)   secure the observance by all State organs of democratic values and principles; and
(c)   promote constitutionalism.
(2) The commissions and the holders of independent offices—
(a) are subject only to this Constitution and the law; and
(b) are independent and not subject to direction or control by any person or authority.
 (3) Parliament shall allocate adequate funds to enable each commission and independent office to perform its functions and the budget of each commission and independent office shall be a separate vote.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Kichwa on August 16, 2017, 07:39:57 PM
You cannot bring peace through injustice.  I wanted NASA to go to court and have an opportunity to and a platform to address the country. If this is viewed as an injustice, the feud will continue and the country will never be united. People know justice when they see it. Patrice Lumumba was assassinated a long time ago and Congo is still cursed.  All I know is that you cannot develop when corruption and impunity are the order of the day.

With Ruto in charge dont expect any change that will benefit all.
I know the voting went well but what happened after that?
I thought returning officers from each polling booth submitted their numbers. Were these changed???
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: bryan275 on August 16, 2017, 08:09:40 PM
With Ruto in charge dont expect any change that will benefit all.
I know the voting went well but what happened after that?
I thought returning officers from each polling booth submitted their numbers. Were these changed???

And that is the question.  The process of making the vote available, and collating of the ballots seemed open and fair (if you ignore the issues with dodgy polling stations), but the tallying and streaming at the NTC was where the magic happened.  IEBC has worked hard over the last week doctoring and making the primary documents fit their narrative. 

I am hopeful that NASA have this info and that they were wise to keep it to themselves to avoid evidence destruction.

 
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Kichwa on August 16, 2017, 08:23:05 PM
The problem is that Jubilee and IEBC knows where their weaknesses are and have had enough time to destroy the primary evidence of the rigging.  NASA will have to use some secondary evidence and but will probably rely heavily on circumstantial evidence to convince the court that there was rigging.

The the evidentiary standard that this court applies is therefore going to be very important. There is the stated evidentiary standard as stated by the law and then there is the "real" evidentiary standard applied by the judges.  We must not forget that the evidence that CORD must submit to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt is and has always been in the custody of IEBC, therefore, for  this court to be fair, once NASA has presented a prima facie case, the court must place a higher standard on  IEBC to show that NASA's case is without merit.

IEBC is properly funded by tax payers not only to conduct free and fair elections but they must keep impeccably record because it is very foreseeable that its decisions will be contested given the very nature and history of presidential elections in Kenya.  Accordingly, if IEBC comes up with unacceptable answers such as "they cannot find some Form 34a" OR "cannot explain why some 34a's are altered", some kind of of vague or unexplainable discrepancies, and suspicious omissions or commissions, this court must come very hard on them by nullifying this elections.  Chubukati, the commissioners and the CEO are paid a lot of money and they must be held to a very high standard.

With Ruto in charge dont expect any change that will benefit all.
I know the voting went well but what happened after that?
I thought returning officers from each polling booth submitted their numbers. Were these changed???

And that is the question.  The process of making the vote available, and collating of the ballots seemed open and fair (if you ignore the issues with dodgy polling stations), but the tallying and streaming at the NTC was where the magic happened.  IEBC has worked hard over the last week doctoring and making the primary documents fit their narrative. 

I am hopeful that NASA have this info and that they were wise to keep it to themselves to avoid evidence destruction.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Georgesoros on August 16, 2017, 08:55:02 PM
Locally, they must have accounted the totals. Were these the same totals that were announced at IEBC?
You can't change the totals.. once they are announced locally.

The problem is that Jubilee and IEBC knows where their weaknesses are and have had enough time to destroy the primary evidence of the rigging.  NASA will have to use some secondary evidence and but will probably rely heavily on circumstantial evidence to convince the court that there was rigging.

The the evidentiary standard that this court applies is therefore going to be very important. There is the stated evidentiary standard as stated by the law and then there is the "real" evidentiary standard applied by the judges.  We must not forget that the evidence that CORD must submit to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt is and has always been in the custody of IEBC, therefore, for  this court to be fair, once NASA has presented a prima facie case, the court must place a higher standard on  IEBC to show that NASA's case is without merit.

IEBC is properly funded by tax payers not only to conduct free and fair elections but they must keep impeccably record because it is very foreseeable that its decisions will be contested given the very nature and history of presidential elections in Kenya.  Accordingly, if IEBC comes up with unacceptable answers such as "they cannot find some Form 34a" OR "cannot explain why some 34a's are altered", some kind of of vague or unexplainable discrepancies, and suspicious omissions or commissions, this court must come very hard on them by nullifying this elections.  Chubukati, the commissioners and the CEO are paid a lot of money and they must be held to a very high standard.

With Ruto in charge dont expect any change that will benefit all.
I know the voting went well but what happened after that?
I thought returning officers from each polling booth submitted their numbers. Were these changed???

And that is the question.  The process of making the vote available, and collating of the ballots seemed open and fair (if you ignore the issues with dodgy polling stations), but the tallying and streaming at the NTC was where the magic happened.  IEBC has worked hard over the last week doctoring and making the primary documents fit their narrative. 

I am hopeful that NASA have this info and that they were wise to keep it to themselves to avoid evidence destruction.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: GeeMail on August 16, 2017, 10:40:34 PM
The greatet letdown in this whole scenario are media people. I was aghast to see some media bosses joining KEPSA in a presser announcing with glee that elections were fair or something to that effect. In 2007 one media house simply switched off its tallying when Kibaki was losing. In 2017 media houses conveniently avoided to tally their own votes to be used as a check against Chebukati. Yes they were threatened against releasing results but not gathering. All they did was to stream IEBC like it was an Oracle 54%. Now media are mere spectators like all of us when they could have done more. I know SCOK rejected media videos in 2013 but Maraga must know IEBC cannot willingly provide evidence against itself. It must be gotten kwa ncha ya upanga so Africog and others myst bring vudeos the media failed to capture.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: vooke on August 16, 2017, 11:16:20 PM
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Kichwa on August 17, 2017, 04:40:14 AM
Why does she have to lie that her flight was delayed while the information is out there that she was stopped from boarding after she had checked in and given a boarding pass.  In fact her luggage had to be removed from the plane.  What official duties did she have in New York.  Just like Msando's death, the disappearance of forms 34a's and now the Akombe flight saga-Kenyans smell a big fat rat.


Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: vooke on August 17, 2017, 06:48:22 AM
Why does she have to lie that her flight was delayed while the information is out there that she was stopped from boarding after she had checked in and given a boarding pass.  In fact her luggage had to be removed from the plane.  What official duties did she have in New York.  Just like Msando's death, the disappearance of forms 34a's and now the Akombe flight saga-Kenyans smell a big fat rat.



I think flight delayed means she missed her flight, stop reading much into it. What she fails to do is explain the reason for her delay which we know was 'clearance' that took hours. But she clarifies that she was not fleeing contrary to reports.

If she left the country without a fuss and NASWA learns about it, next thing would be that she feares for her life and fled. If Jubilee allows her uninterrupted passage out, NASWA would claim Jubilee was hiding evidence....either way Jubilee would be suspect.

If she fails to jet back by Tuesday, then we'll surely know something is amiss.

All in all, I like the way IEBC has moved to fight these rumors instead of wishing them away. I think that's responsible on their side regardless if whether they are factual or economical with the truth.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: vooke on August 17, 2017, 09:35:31 AM
Alai shares more details on Akombe. But I must admit it's hard to tell whether Alai is Jubilee or not

https://www.kahawatungu.com/2017/08/17/dr-roselyn-k-akombe-criminal-iebc-official-united-nations-staff/

Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: bryan275 on September 08, 2017, 04:11:25 PM
The story is that Akombe's security detail has been withdrawn.  I've often wondered why a govt would even bother providing security when they know.....when it's time.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Kadame7 on September 08, 2017, 04:32:08 PM
The story is that Akombe's security detail has been withdrawn.  I've often wondered why a govt would even bother providing security when they know.....when it's time.
I heard Raila say that SOME commissioners have had their security withdrawn. This if true, in a post-Msando world must be truly terrifying. I would immediately collect all the evidence I could find and dump it on Al-Jazeera while I drove to TZ then flew to SA and then the States.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Kichwa on September 08, 2017, 04:40:25 PM
Poor Akombe, she must have been naïve to take this job thinking she can do it without selling her soul to the devil.  I remember when she had to remind the completely confused Chebukati to get the proper signatories on the form 34C before he announced the "winner" of the presidential elections. This job needs people without a conscience and the only external stimuli that they respond to is money.  You wonder how folks like Maraga and a few others came up the ranks without losing their souls to mademoni.

The story is that Akombe's security detail has been withdrawn.  I've often wondered why a govt would even bother providing security when they know.....when it's time.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: vooke on September 08, 2017, 04:59:19 PM
The reports of withdrawing security should be easy to verify

Only Babu is saying it.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: bryan275 on September 08, 2017, 06:12:14 PM
The story is that Akombe's security detail has been withdrawn.  I've often wondered why a govt would even bother providing security when they know.....when it's time.
I heard Raila say that SOME commissioners have had their security withdrawn. This if true, in a post-Msando world must be truly terrifying. I would immediately collect all the evidence I could find and dump it on Al-Jazeera while I drove to TZ then flew to SA and then the States.

Akombe should have remained "bolted" when she left last month.  She's going no where, Msando's murder served two purposes.  Facilitating access to the servers and more importantly as a means to scare any wayward commissioners and IEBC staff.

None amongst them is sleeping at night.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Georgesoros on September 08, 2017, 06:31:16 PM
IEBC should fight for its own survival otherwise it becomes irrelevant. They should have their own security detail like the president has otherwise it becomes another body with no function other than Ruto's. Uhuru has systematically made independent bodies dysfunctional unlike Kifaki who tried to stay out.



The story is that Akombe's security detail has been withdrawn.  I've often wondered why a govt would even bother providing security when they know.....when it's time.
I heard Raila say that SOME commissioners have had their security withdrawn. This if true, in a post-Msando world must be truly terrifying. I would immediately collect all the evidence I could find and dump it on Al-Jazeera while I drove to TZ then flew to SA and then the States.

Akombe should have remained "bolted" when she left last month.  She's going no where, Msando's murder served two purposes.  Facilitating access to the servers and more importantly as a means to scare any wayward commissioners and IEBC staff.

None amongst them is sleeping at night.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Kichwa on September 08, 2017, 08:26:03 PM
Interesting.  I see a lot of USA federal Agencies with their own cops but I think they have to be approved by congress especially when they need to carry guns.  I think a cheaper and simpler solution is to abandon the presidential system and replace it with a  parliamentary system with each county having its own electoral commission. The county electoral body will elect the CMC's, MP's, Senators, women's rep and governors. Actually we can do away with the senate-they are really unnecessary.   The mp's will then elect a prime minister and mambo kwisha-No need for nationwide elections.

IEBC should fight for its own survival otherwise it becomes irrelevant. They should have their own security detail like the president has otherwise it becomes another body with no function other than Ruto's. Uhuru has systematically made independent bodies dysfunctional unlike Kifaki who tried to stay out.



The story is that Akombe's security detail has been withdrawn.  I've often wondered why a govt would even bother providing security when they know.....when it's time.
I heard Raila say that SOME commissioners have had their security withdrawn. This if true, in a post-Msando world must be truly terrifying. I would immediately collect all the evidence I could find and dump it on Al-Jazeera while I drove to TZ then flew to SA and then the States.

Akombe should have remained "bolted" when she left last month.  She's going no where, Msando's murder served two purposes.  Facilitating access to the servers and more importantly as a means to scare any wayward commissioners and IEBC staff.

None amongst them is sleeping at night.
Title: Re: Akombe Detained at JKIA while fleeing
Post by: Omollo on September 08, 2017, 08:38:09 PM
Was it security or spying? The NIS is simply replacing the spies. They figured out that the ones assigned had become to close to their prisoners and had even facilitated the leakage of information to NASA. They will be given new dogs who will make sure not even oxygen reaches Akombe without the personal approval of General kameru.

Do not be manipulated. The complaints are good for Kameru. He can then arrange for Boinet to dress up the thugs and claim that it was just a change of guard.