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Title: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 14, 2017, 01:51:20 PM
I say we get a non aligned tribal wise movement. I would gladly support Dr Eruko deputized by someone else to counter ruto. Kenya is yearning for an alternative away from odinga Kenyatta and kalenjin tribal conflict.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: gout on August 14, 2017, 02:10:12 PM
For the next five years there will only be one political force - Ruto! And yes with support from all over - how the support is won could be debatable.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Nefertiti on August 14, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
For the next five years there will only be one political force - Ruto! And yes with support from all over - how the support is won could be debatable.

Yeah everyone has been outsmarted by Ruto. Until there is a balance of smarts ... just bend over for Rutoism.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Omollo on August 14, 2017, 02:31:23 PM
Ekuru Aukot or as some are calling him: Eurobond Turncoat - showed his true colors on the 10th of August.

He is a Jubilee project and has been promised a job. His utterances after that have been shocking. He did get a brief jolt when some of the people who previously (and I would say mistakenly) trusted him recoiled at his verbal storm against Raila, Luos and NASA, delivered in a tweet storm. He profiled Luos and Luhyas and generally I would sooner elected a real baboon than a hungry wild dog.

But then again, the people of Kenya elected Raila Odinga. He has been robbed by a computer on the same scale we here had the chance to know in advance thanks to their local contact: 54% vs 44%
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Kadame6 on August 14, 2017, 02:49:44 PM
I cannot support Ruto in good conscience. I'd rather support even another Kyuk, however imbalanced that will be. From what I've heard from Kalenjins who don't support him, they say he may be worse than Moi. Kenya really may be in for a ruthless, rough ride with him or if not all Kenyans, Gema (if uthamakism fails to returnn the favour to Rutoism).
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Nefertiti on August 14, 2017, 02:58:37 PM
I cannot support Ruto in good conscience. I'd rather support even another Kyuk, however imbalanced that will be. From what I've heard from Kalenjins who don't support him, they say he may be worse than Moi. Kenya really may be in for a ruthless, rough ride with him or if not all Kenyans, Gema (if uthamakism fails to returnn the favour to Rutoism).

Uthamaki is Nipate colloquial for kikuyuism i.e. The Kingdom. It is already an -ism  :)
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: RV Pundit on August 14, 2017, 03:22:12 PM
That is your jaundiced view. Ruto delivers. He is a leader as effective as Rwanda's Paul Kagame and Museveni at his prime. Kenya is luckly to have him in there. That is why Jubilee has delivered a lot and just got a huge mandate.
I cannot support Ruto in good conscience. I'd rather support even another Kyuk, however imbalanced that will be. From what I've heard from Kalenjins who don't support him, they say he may be worse than Moi. Kenya really may be in for a ruthless, rough ride with him or if not all Kenyans, Gema (if uthamakism fails to returnn the favour to Rutoism).
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 14, 2017, 03:32:04 PM
Ruto must be stopped by any means necessary
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 14, 2017, 03:39:23 PM
I cannot support Ruto in good conscience. I'd rather support even another Kyuk, however imbalanced that will be. From what I've heard from Kalenjins who don't support him, they say he may be worse than Moi. Kenya really may be in for a ruthless, rough ride with him or if not all Kenyans, Gema (if uthamakism fails to returnn the favour to Rutoism).

I tend to concur.  He can get power only if kamwana dies in office.  I know he has been trying, but his character flaws can only endear him to his tribal base.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: bryan275 on August 14, 2017, 04:02:46 PM
I cannot support Ruto in good conscience. I'd rather support even another Kyuk, however imbalanced that will be. From what I've heard from Kalenjins who don't support him, they say he may be worse than Moi. Kenya really may be in for a ruthless, rough ride with him or if not all Kenyans, Gema (if uthamakism fails to returnn the favour to Rutoism).

Uthamaki is Nipate colloquial for kikuyuism i.e. The Kingdom. It is already an -ism  :)


Ruto IS worse than MOI.  Mr Muteshi was just a tip of the iceberg...
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Kadame6 on August 14, 2017, 04:17:40 PM
That is your jaundiced view. Ruto delivers. He is a leader as effective as Rwanda's Paul Kagame and Museveni at his prime. Kenya is luckly to have him in there. That is why Jubilee has delivered a lot and just got a huge mandate.
I cannot support Ruto in good conscience. I'd rather support even another Kyuk, however imbalanced that will be. From what I've heard from Kalenjins who don't support him, they say he may be worse than Moi. Kenya really may be in for a ruthless, rough ride with him or if not all Kenyans, Gema (if uthamakism fails to returnn the favour to Rutoism).
Pundit, bringing up Kagame and Museveni makes me even more nervous. Why cant he opt for effectiveness without the dictatorship of those two? I dont even know Ruto that well (I havent studied him) but its things said by his supporters and the few Kalenjins who DONT like him that makes me very nervous. When you guys say "effective":, you do it in a way that implies a dictator.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Omollo on August 14, 2017, 04:23:33 PM
A team was set up to contain Ruto after elections. It delivered.

Uthamaki has already selected Charles Keter to replace him. He is done done! as we say in Krio.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: RV Pundit on August 14, 2017, 04:31:54 PM
Ruto get's the job done which is hard to find in our breed of fat lazy political class. Let me give you one example. My father - a diehard DP/Kibaki man - had no time for Ruto and KANU - but when Ruto was minister of Agri and they had issued with KTDA - Ruto granted them a hearing at 6am - and sorted them out. That is how hard working Ruto is  - he gets to his office early and get lots of shits done. Of course if Ruto was you political rival - I would understand why you'll hate him because he'll work on you with so much energy and focus - you'd be dead meat like Raila by now.

Ruto has the traits that we solely miss in political class - someone who actually get some stuff done at end of the day - not pampered political class who wakes up around ten with huge hangeover- get to office for 1-2 hrs - goes for 3 hr lunch break and maybe attend one event a day - before retiring to drinking dens till late at night.

In Ruto I see Kagame or Museveni - not in their dictarorship (that is Magufuli) but in their effectiveness..in their ability to get the job done.

Pundit, bringing up Kagame and Museveni makes me even more nervous. Why cant he opt for effectiveness without the dictatorship of those two? I dont even know Ruto that well (I havent studied him) but its things said by his supporters and the few Kalenjins who DONT like him that makes me very nervous. When you guys say "effective":, you do it in a way that implies a dictator.
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Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 14, 2017, 04:32:14 PM
I say we get a non aligned tribal wise movement. I would gladly support Dr Eruko deputized by someone else to counter ruto. Kenya is yearning for an alternative away from odinga Kenyatta and kalenjin tribal conflict.

I have to say I thought Ekuru was a good choice.  That is before I had ever heard him speak.  When I heard him, it changed my mind.  There is that photo where he poses in pensive mood.  I had used it to judge him until I heard him speak.

I think if someone like Prof. Wainaina can work on messaging his ideas to wanjiku, he might be a good choice.  He'll still have a heck of a time getting wanjiku to change from her addiction to mobsters and thugs though.  Maybe if he brazenly embezzled money from his schools, wanjiku might give him a second glance.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 14, 2017, 04:42:07 PM
A team was set up to contain Ruto after elections. It delivered.

Uthamaki has already selected Charles Keter to replace him. He is done done! as we say in Krio.


I could easily see Waiguru picking the mantle from kamwana.  In Central the mood in 2022 might be for giving the other gender a chance.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Kadame6 on August 14, 2017, 04:46:31 PM
A team was set up to contain Ruto after elections. It delivered.

Uthamaki has already selected Charles Keter to replace him. He is done done! as we say in Krio.


I could easily see Waiguru picking the mantle from kamwana.  In Central the mood in 2022 might be for giving the other gender a chance.
Lol. If they do that they may have a chance of pulling me in a little: girl power! Haha. If you gonna have thieves anyway, Im going with my gender tribe. :D But...naaah. I think of Waiguru as just a thief. But who knows? She may end up deputizing Ruto.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 14, 2017, 06:15:05 PM
Windy what with Dr ekuru talking? His voice or lack of ideas?
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on August 14, 2017, 06:17:16 PM
Windy what with Dr ekuru talking? His voice or lack of ideas?

He seemed to have serious doubts about himself.  Like he didn't take his candidature seriously at all.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on August 14, 2017, 06:27:01 PM
Yep he was out of element. I will talk to those that met him early in 2016 to see what they thought
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: RV Pundit on August 14, 2017, 07:06:10 PM
Simple. Ekuru "lost" it when he conceded. He was suppose to be third leg of NASA - not really the 3rd force.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Georgesoros on August 14, 2017, 07:19:52 PM

Yes bend over so that he can do his thing :):):):)
For the next five years there will only be one political force - Ruto! And yes with support from all over - how the support is won could be debatable.

Yeah everyone has been outsmarted by Ruto. Until there is a balance of smarts ... just bend over for Rutoism.
Title: Re: Third force is still an alternative
Post by: Nefertiti on August 14, 2017, 07:27:56 PM
I could easily see Waiguru picking the mantle from kamwana.  In Central the mood in 2022 might be for giving the other gender a chance.
Lol. If they do that they may have a chance of pulling me in a little: girl power! Haha. If you gonna have thieves anyway, Im going with my gender tribe. :D But...naaah. I think of Waiguru as just a thief. But who knows? She may end up deputizing Ruto.

Reliable sources have it DPORK is reserved for Mwangi Kiunjuri. I am not sure about his efficiency but he ia a proven loyal.