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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Nefertiti on August 10, 2017, 04:45:24 PM
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RAILA 8,041,726
UHURU 7,755,428
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Watch LIVE on local media now
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Link?
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Someone break the NASA claim down for me: tallying based on the IEBC forms or they claim tallying based on different forms? Can't watch video where I am.
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Someone break the NASA claim down for me: tallying based on the IEBC forms or they claim tallying based on different forms? Can't watch video where I am.
I shared a thread with NASWA's Post election MOAS.
They called a presser and claimed that some anonymous 'whistleblower' within IEBC has leaked to them the actual results showing they are ahead. Figures cited are the ones I had quoted on that thread.
They still insist that whatever they had yesterday, logs show how hacking was done
They bleated some more over form 34A, insisted the results shown are not final and when the final results are released, they will be vindicated.
Babu refused to speak. DVD did all the talking.
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Thanks vooke!
The previous figures from before (the doc you shared) are different from Robina's though. They were: Raila: 8,452,134 Uhuru: 7,846,528
Robina, are you sure you have the right figures up there?
Also, still don't get the claim about the source of data: same forms as IEBC is showing or different versions?
Different point: interesting turn of events. I was sure NASA would concede today. Anyway, I hope there are no tensions building.
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Actual statement
BRIEFING ON THE 2017 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
Fellow Kenyans;
1. Yesterday, we called the attention of the country to the appalling and incontrovertible information that the results published by the IEBC through their National Tally Center are a fraud and based on a hacked system that is intended to publish a predetermined outcome.
2. The least we expected from the Commission was to undertake an investigation of our claims. Indeed, yesterday, the Chairman of the IEBC promised that they would investigate into the hacking of their system and servers. Given the importance and urgency of the matter, the IEBC should have by now informed the Country of the outcome of the investigations.
3. We have now received further information from confidential IEBC sources furnishing us with the actual presidential election results contained in their database.
4. The data, which confirm the authentic and legitimate result of the presidential election, shows that the two leading candidates obtained the following votes:
? Raila Amolo Odinga 8,041726 votes
? Uhuru Kenyatta 7,755,428 Votes
5. Screenshots of the results as displayed on the IEBC website and monitors at Bomas show the following results:
? Uhuru Kenyatta 8,056,885
? Raila Amolo Odinga 6,659,493
6. Evidently, the accurate and lawful results in the presidential election is the transmission received from the polling stations and contained in the IEBC servers and not the unverified displays.
7. Based on the foregoing, we demand that the IEBC Chairperson announce the presidential election results forthwith and declare Rt. Hon. Raila Amolo Odinga and HE. Stephen Kalonzo Musyoka as the duly elected President and Deputy President of the Republic of Kenya respectively.
8. We are releasing to the media and the public the un-doctored authentic and legitimate results of the Presidential Election as contained in the IEBC servers.
HON MUSALIA MUDAVADI
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NASA COALITION
Letter to IEBC
10th August 2017
Mr. Wafula Chebukati
Chairperson IEBC
National Tallying Center
Bomas of Kenya
Nairobi
Chairman,
RE: PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RESULT
Article 86 of the Constitution requires as follows
At every election, the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission shall ensure that
(a) whatever voting method is used, the system is simple, accurate, verifiable, secure, accountable and transparent;
(b) the votes cast are counted, tabulated and the results announced promptly by the presiding officer at each polling station;
(c) the results from the polling stations are openly and accurately collated and promptly announced by the returning officer; and
(d) appropriate structures and mechanisms to eliminate electoral
malpractice are put in place, including the safekeeping of
election materials.
We have information of the actual presidential election results contained in the IEBC database.
The data, which confirm the authentic and legitimate result of the presidential election, shows that the two leading candidates obtained the following votes:
? Raila Amolo Odinga 8,041726 votes
? Uhuru Kenyatta 7,755,428 Votes
Screenshots of the results as displayed on your website and monitors at Bomas show the following results:
? Uhuru Kenyatta 8,056,885
? Raila Amolo Odinga 6,659,493
Evidently, the accurate and lawful results in the presidential election is the transmission received from the polling stations and contained in the IEBC servers.
We have annexed the following:
? The actual and complete data contained in IEBC servers (dbo.PRESIDENTIAL_REAL_TIME); and
? The screenshots obtained from the IEBC website.
We therefore demand as follows:
1. That you stop forthwith the display of unverified and unauthenticated results.
2. That you allow political parties to download all the Forms 34A and Forms 34B to enable them to verify them expeditiously. It is practically impossible for political parties to verify all the 41,000 documents with only two terminals that the IEBC is providing.
3. That Rt. Hon. Raila Amolo Odinga and Hon. Stephen Kalonzo Musyoka be declared as the President and the Deputy President of the Republic of Kenya.
Sincerely,
Hon. Musalia Mudavadi
Chief Agent, NASA Coalition
Sen. James Orengo
Alternate Chief Agent, NASA Coalition
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Kadame - I watched it on Citizen Live - am in OC :)
https://citizentv.co.ke/tv/
What vooke says is basically right - NASA says IEBC has "correct" figures that they won't publish for some reason - ad those figures have Raila & Kalonzo winning.
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Those figures are exactly what I heard on Citizen online streaming.
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Thanks guys!
vooke, nikusumbue tena nikuulize link ya hiyo statement? Nimeggogle, can't find it yet. (Sorry guys, I've become hypersensitive to fake news being innocently reported by people believing it to be from credible news sites)
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Actual statement
10th August 2017
Mr. Wafula Chebukati
Chairperson IEBC
National Tallying Center
Bomas of Kenya
Nairobi
Chairman,
RE: PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RESULT
Article 86 of the Constitution requires as follows
At every election, the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission shall ensure that
(a) whatever voting method is used, the system is simple, accurate, verifiable, secure, accountable and transparent;
(b) the votes cast are counted, tabulated and the results announced promptly by the presiding officer at each polling station;
(c) the results from the polling stations are openly and accurately collated and promptly announced by the returning officer; and
(d) appropriate structures and mechanisms to eliminate electoral
malpractice are put in place, including the safekeeping of
election materials.
We have information of the actual presidential election results contained in the IEBC database.
The data, which confirm the authentic and legitimate result of the presidential election, shows that the two leading candidates obtained the following votes:
? Raila Amolo Odinga 8,041726 votes
? Uhuru Kenyatta 7,755,428 Votes
Screenshots of the results as displayed on your website and monitors at Bomas show the following results:
? Uhuru Kenyatta 8,056,885
? Raila Amolo Odinga 6,659,493
Evidently, the accurate and lawful results in the presidential election is the transmission received from the polling stations and contained in the IEBC servers.
We have annexed the following:
? The actual and complete data contained in IEBC servers (dbo.PRESIDENTIAL_REAL_TIME); and
? The screenshots obtained from the IEBC website.
We therefore demand as follows:
1. That you stop forthwith the display of unverified and unauthenticated results.
2. That you allow political parties to download all the Forms 34A and Forms 34B to enable them to verify them expeditiously. It is practically impossible for political parties to verify all the 41,000 documents with only two terminals that the IEBC is providing.
3. That Rt. Hon. Raila Amolo Odinga and Hon. Stephen Kalonzo Musyoka be declared as the President and the Deputy President of the Republic of Kenya.
Sincerely,
Hon. Musalia Mudavadi
Chief Agent, NASA Coalition
Sen. James Orengo
Alternate Chief Agent, NASA Coalition
I cannot emphasize that enough. There is no way, even with hundreds of volunteers that they can pull this information together. If you have seen their forms portal, the images are in one folder. They can just share that folder and have people download the files from there.
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Actual statement
10th August 2017
Mr. Wafula Chebukati
Chairperson IEBC
National Tallying Center
Bomas of Kenya
Nairobi
Chairman,
RE: PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RESULT
Article 86 of the Constitution requires as follows
At every election, the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission shall ensure that
(a) whatever voting method is used, the system is simple, accurate, verifiable, secure, accountable and transparent;
(b) the votes cast are counted, tabulated and the results announced promptly by the presiding officer at each polling station;
(c) the results from the polling stations are openly and accurately collated and promptly announced by the returning officer; and
(d) appropriate structures and mechanisms to eliminate electoral
malpractice are put in place, including the safekeeping of
election materials.
We have information of the actual presidential election results contained in the IEBC database.
The data, which confirm the authentic and legitimate result of the presidential election, shows that the two leading candidates obtained the following votes:
? Raila Amolo Odinga 8,041726 votes
? Uhuru Kenyatta 7,755,428 Votes
Screenshots of the results as displayed on your website and monitors at Bomas show the following results:
? Uhuru Kenyatta 8,056,885
? Raila Amolo Odinga 6,659,493
Evidently, the accurate and lawful results in the presidential election is the transmission received from the polling stations and contained in the IEBC servers.
We have annexed the following:
? The actual and complete data contained in IEBC servers (dbo.PRESIDENTIAL_REAL_TIME); and
? The screenshots obtained from the IEBC website.
We therefore demand as follows:
1. That you stop forthwith the display of unverified and unauthenticated results.
2. That you allow political parties to download all the Forms 34A and Forms 34B to enable them to verify them expeditiously. It is practically impossible for political parties to verify all the 41,000 documents with only two terminals that the IEBC is providing.
3. That Rt. Hon. Raila Amolo Odinga and Hon. Stephen Kalonzo Musyoka be declared as the President and the Deputy President of the Republic of Kenya.
Sincerely,
Hon. Musalia Mudavadi
Chief Agent, NASA Coalition
Sen. James Orengo
Alternate Chief Agent, NASA Coalition
I cannot emphasize that enough. There is no way, even with hundreds of volunteers that they can pull this information together. If you have seen their forms portal, the images are in one folder. They can just share that folder and have people download the files from there.
Yet you don't put it past IEBC to forge all these documents in under 24hrs. Ok.
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Actual statement
10th August 2017
Mr. Wafula Chebukati
Chairperson IEBC
National Tallying Center
Bomas of Kenya
Nairobi
Chairman,
RE: PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RESULT
Article 86 of the Constitution requires as follows
At every election, the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission shall ensure that
(a) whatever voting method is used, the system is simple, accurate, verifiable, secure, accountable and transparent;
(b) the votes cast are counted, tabulated and the results announced promptly by the presiding officer at each polling station;
(c) the results from the polling stations are openly and accurately collated and promptly announced by the returning officer; and
(d) appropriate structures and mechanisms to eliminate electoral
malpractice are put in place, including the safekeeping of
election materials.
We have information of the actual presidential election results contained in the IEBC database.
The data, which confirm the authentic and legitimate result of the presidential election, shows that the two leading candidates obtained the following votes:
? Raila Amolo Odinga 8,041726 votes
? Uhuru Kenyatta 7,755,428 Votes
Screenshots of the results as displayed on your website and monitors at Bomas show the following results:
? Uhuru Kenyatta 8,056,885
? Raila Amolo Odinga 6,659,493
Evidently, the accurate and lawful results in the presidential election is the transmission received from the polling stations and contained in the IEBC servers.
We have annexed the following:
? The actual and complete data contained in IEBC servers (dbo.PRESIDENTIAL_REAL_TIME); and
? The screenshots obtained from the IEBC website.
We therefore demand as follows:
1. That you stop forthwith the display of unverified and unauthenticated results.
2. That you allow political parties to download all the Forms 34A and Forms 34B to enable them to verify them expeditiously. It is practically impossible for political parties to verify all the 41,000 documents with only two terminals that the IEBC is providing.
3. That Rt. Hon. Raila Amolo Odinga and Hon. Stephen Kalonzo Musyoka be declared as the President and the Deputy President of the Republic of Kenya.
Sincerely,
Hon. Musalia Mudavadi
Chief Agent, NASA Coalition
Sen. James Orengo
Alternate Chief Agent, NASA Coalition
I cannot emphasize that enough. There is no way, even with hundreds of volunteers that they can pull this information together. If you have seen their forms portal, the images are in one folder. They can just share that folder and have people download the files from there.
Yet you don't put it past IEBC to forge all these documents in under 24hrs. Ok.
And it's true because vooke says so.
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I have seen a report that Kenyan media cut short the live transmission and are now giving it a blackout even refusing to discuss it and stopping guests from mentioning it (Swaleh Mdoe)....more fake news?
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I have seen a report that Kenyan media cut short the live transmission and are now giving it a blackout even refusing to discuss it and stopping guests from mentioning it (Swaleh Mdoe)....more fake news?
They are asking MDVD why he is releasing results before they are confirmed. Do they realize this is what IEBC has been doing the last 48 hours?
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I have seen a report that Kenyan media cut short the live transmission and are now giving it a blackout even refusing to discuss it and stopping guests from mentioning it (Swaleh Mdoe)....more fake news?
They are asking MDVD why he is releasing results before they are confirmed. Do they realize this is what IEBC has been doing the last 48 hours?
Ah...so they are implementing Matiangi Shariah. Got it.
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Termie
I can lazily pull 5 forms 34A from the portal on my iPad per minute. 300 per hour.
Ten of us would do 3000 per hour
20 would pull 6000
30 would pull 9K
The forms may not be stored in your preferred state but that's a lame excuse for reading mischief
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Termie
I can lazily pull 5 forms 34A from the portal on my iPad per minute. 300 per hour.
Ten of us would do 3000 per hour
20 would pull 6000
30 would pull 9K
The forms may not be stored in your preferred state but that's a lame excuse for reading mischief
It's a linux server. They should 755 that folder and save everyone time. If that is reading mischief, then I am guilty.
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I have seen a report that Kenyan media cut short the live transmission and are now giving it a blackout even refusing to discuss it and stopping guests from mentioning it (Swaleh Mdoe)....more fake news?
They are asking MDVD why he is releasing results before they are confirmed. Do they realize this is what IEBC has been doing the last 48 hours?
Ah...so they are implementing Matiangi Shariah. Got it.
I meant the questions they were shooting at MDVD are the same questions they should be asking Chebukati. Neither of them has the evidence for what they are claiming.
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vooke - sorry to sound ignorant - but I can't trace the uploaded Forms 34A, B, etc. For example here is the link to the presidential results for
Nairobi - Starehe - Nairobi Central - Kenya Polytechnic University - 01
I can't see any link to the scanned form/s :( What am I missing?
https://public.rts.iebc.or.ke/enr/index.html#/Kenya_Elections_Presidential/1/1047/1047289/10472891439/10472891439003/1047289143900301 (https://public.rts.iebc.or.ke/enr/index.html#/Kenya_Elections_Presidential/1/1047/1047289/10472891439/10472891439003/1047289143900301)
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Here is the link https://forms.iebc.or.ke/.
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Are NASA disputing the forms/individual figures per polling stations or the addition? Are they saying the tallying is fake or the base data is fake?
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Are NASA disputing the forms/individual figures per polling stations or the addition?
How I understood them. They are saying that IEBC is displaying information that is wrong and contradicts what is on IEBC's own database.
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Thanks Veri.
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Pleasure.
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Who was the culprit?
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Kadame, let's just keep cool about it. Give them the benefit of doubt.
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Termie
I can lazily pull 5 forms 34A from the portal on my iPad per minute. 300 per hour.
Ten of us would do 3000 per hour
20 would pull 6000
30 would pull 9K
The forms may not be stored in your preferred state but that's a lame excuse for reading mischief
It's a linux server. They should 755 that folder and save everyone time. If that is reading mischief, then I am guilty.
Of course tour idea is brilliant. What I'm saying is, even without it, there's no real obstacle to accessing those forms
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Termie
I can lazily pull 5 forms 34A from the portal on my iPad per minute. 300 per hour.
Ten of us would do 3000 per hour
20 would pull 6000
30 would pull 9K
The forms may not be stored in your preferred state but that's a lame excuse for reading mischief
It's a linux server. They should 755 that folder and save everyone time. If that is reading mischief, then I am guilty.
Of course tour idea is brilliant. What I'm saying is, even without it, there's no real obstacle to accessing those forms
Instead of getting 40K forms 10 minutes by yourself, you are talking 9K forms in an hour if there's 30 of you. That is 800 times faster.