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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Kichwa on August 04, 2017, 06:29:56 PM
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The Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission has come up with further measures aimed at stopping fraud during the elections.
The commission has made it mandatory that all voters entering a polling station receive six ballot papers - for all the elective seats.
This is meant to ensure that the number of votes cast for each elective seat in the polling station agrees with the cumulative presidential vote in that station. All polling officials have been instructed to effect the directive.
"The instructions have been included in our polling procedures for purposes of training polling clerks and presiding officers," IEBC Commissioner Rose Akombe said.
Dispelling fears
This is meant to dispel fears that some areas may register a higher turnout for the presidential election than the other five seats, inviting suspicions of foul play.
In 2013, NASA, the main opposition group, participating in the polls as Cord, accused the electoral commission of allowing its opponents to stuff boxes with more than two million extra ballots.
Opposition leader Raila Odinga has often said that records showed that 10 million people voted for all the other candidates - governors, MPs, woman representatives, and MCAs - yet the same records show that 12 million people voted for the presidential candidates.
The then electoral commission dismissed the claims, but admitted that there was a discrepancy of 458,085 votes between those who voted for the presidential candidates and the other five seats.
IEBC wants to avoid a scenario where the turnout for the presidential seat will be relatively higher and thus raise suspicions of rigging.
By making it compulsory for every voter to get six ballots and unique features introduced to the presidential ballot paper, the commission also hopes to address concerns by the Opposition, which has claimed that extra papers have been printed to help Jubilee.
"At the opening of the polling station, the presiding officers will show party agents the number of ballot papers issued and record them in the polling day diary, complete with the unique serial numbers. At the end of polling, the presiding officer will record the number of unused ballot papers and provide the same to the agents," Dr Akombe said.
Last week IEBC announced that it had sealed another possible loophole that could have allowed 'dead' voters to cast a ballot by doing away with the manual crossing out of a voter's name on the printed register.
Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/ ... te-riggers
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You know Kichwa,
It has ALWAYS been like this so it's not some revolutionary announcement.
Babu has for the last 4.5yrs bleated about presidential votes exceeding the nearest election by 2M votes which he then hallucinated to have been cast in Uhunye's favor.
But in 2013, the variance was negligible. Yet there was no such pronouncement. IEBC is just picking Babu's brains
Here's the 2013 results for all the seats
https://www.iebc.or.ke/uploads/resources/EIqEo3LuiB.pdf
Variance between MCA and Governors is over 100K. The relevant variance here is 164K. Divided by 24,563 stations gives you an average of 3 per station. But what's important, 164K is not 2M
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I hope this will be the last time six ballots are issued. There should one ballot paper in future.
Instead of owning the voting system, they should lease one to be run by the manufacturers or suppliers.
Lastly there should be an amendment to the katiba where the current win by popular vote is replaced with a win in a majority of the counties, in this 24. A win should be at least 50+1
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Vooke: You do not have to fight every single improvement that IEBC makes to win the confidence of the public even if it does not make a difference to you. Free and Fair election is only achieved by transparency and credibility. If you guys are assured of winning as dictated by pundits, MOAS, wouldn't it be that you want the process to be credible so that your "assured victory" is seen to be also credible. I am confused.
The then electoral commission dismissed the claims, but admitted that there was a discrepancy of 458,085 votes between those who voted for the presidential candidates and the other five seats
You know Kichwa,
It has ALWAYS been like this so it's not some revolutionary announcement.
Babu has for the last 4.5yrs bleated about presidential votes exceeding the nearest election by 2M votes which he then hallucinated TK have been cast in Uhunye's favor.
But in 2013, the variance was negligible. Yet there was no such pronouncement. IEBC is just picking Babu's brains
Here's the 2013 results for all the seats
https://www.iebc.or.ke/uploads/resources/EIqEo3LuiB.pdf
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Vooke: You do not have to fight every single improvement that IEBC makes to win the confidence of the public even if it does not make a difference to you. Free and Fair election is only achieved by transparency and credibility. If you guys are assured of winning as dictated by pundits, MOAS, wouldn't it be that you want the process to be credible so that your "assured victory" is seen to be also credible. I am confused.
The then electoral commission dismissed the claims, but admitted that there was a discrepancy of 458,085 votes between those who voted for the presidential candidates and the other five seats
You know Kichwa,
It has ALWAYS been like this so it's not some revolutionary announcement.
Babu has for the last 4.5yrs bleated about presidential votes exceeding the nearest election by 2M votes which he then hallucinated TK have been cast in Uhunye's favor.
But in 2013, the variance was negligible. Yet there was no such pronouncement. IEBC is just picking Babu's brains
Here's the 2013 results for all the seats
https://www.iebc.or.ke/uploads/resources/EIqEo3LuiB.pdf
I'm not fighting nothing, just telling you that 2M is madness. Besides, the 458K is the total sum of all the variances. Stupid maths for obvious reasons; the variances overlap
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This might not be feasible due to the number of candidates however, with clean audited register I believe we may be able to introduce early voting.
I hope this will be the last time six ballots are issued. There should one ballot paper in future.
Instead of owning the voting system, they should lease one to be run by the manufacturers or suppliers.
Lastly there should be an amendment to the katiba where the current win by popular vote is replaced with a win in a majority of the counties, in this 24. A win should be at least 50+1
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KM
The 2M is not cited in the simplistic manner that is being celebrated now.
1. 2M refers to the total number of votesb that were at the control of the IEBC - Jubilee Mafia. These votes could be accessed remotely, transferred, marked "voted" and added to any candidate - even MCAs at will.
2. Like today, they are found all over the country. Some or most have legitimately registered to vote but on voting day will find their names "missing", transferred hundreds of miles away and marked as "already voted". The Remote voting group "votes" then the ballot stuffing group (at KU) prepares the right number of ballots and ensures they are delivered to the polling station and introduced in the rest. If not before counting, during counting or after in storage (in case of court ordered recounts)
This has been limited by reducing the number of polling stations and the demand that the IEBC publish the number of voters per polling station etc. However this does not eliminate fake polling stations or streams at polling stations. Streams which will not be seen but voting will be "taking place" remotely.
In brief.
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KM
The 2M is not cited in the simplistic manner that is being celebrated now.
1. 2M refers to the total number of votesb that were at the control of the IEBC - Jubilee Mafia. These votes could be accessed remotely, transferred, marked "voted" and added to any candidate - even MCAs at will.
2. Like today, they are found all over the country. Some or most have legitimately registered to vote but on voting day will find their names "missing", transferred hundreds of miles away and marked as "already voted". The Remote voting group "votes" then the ballot stuffing group (at KU) prepares the right number of ballots and ensures they are delivered to the polling station and introduced in the rest. If not before counting, during counting or after in storage (in case of court ordered recounts)
This has been limited by reducing the number of polling stations and the demand that the IEBC publish the number of voters per polling station etc. However this does not eliminate fake polling stations or streams at polling stations. Streams which will not be seen but voting will be "taking place" remotely.
In brief.
Weed
You must worship Babu for you also have evidence of secret underground crematoriums in Nyanza that roasted poor jaluos understating the PEV casualties
Your ability to conjure bs out of your rear is legendary
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Hassan produced this crap years after the poll and it underwent a lot of sanitization based on his position that the results announced earlier were provisional. He granted himself unlimited powers to doctor the entire garbage. Even looking at it amounts to an abuse to one's eye.
But you are free to parade them. They were only useful in getting the courts to take away those tinkering powers.
I'm not fighting nothing, just telling you that 2M is madness. Besides, the 458K is the total sum of all the variances. Stupid maths for obvious reasons; the variances overlap
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Hassan produced this crap years after the poll and it underwent a lot of sanitization based on his position that the results announced earlier were provisional. He granted himself unlimited powers to doctor the entire garbage. Even looking at it amounts to an abuse to one's eye.
But you are free to parade them. They were only useful in getting the courts to take away those tinkering powers.
I'm not fighting nothing, just telling you that 2M is madness. Besides, the 458K is the total sum of all the variances. Stupid maths for obvious reasons; the variances overlap
The results were out from day one.
Do you have the 'original' figures?
Between your rear and IEBC you can easily guess where I go for facts
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Like I promised you, you have chosen ad hominem and I will deliver, have no doubt. Everything in its time. For now I will try to help you.
If you search this board, you will find an article - not written by me - which has the same details. I am still trying to find your comments on it.
That said, what in what I have written do you find untenable and on what basis.
KM
The 2M is not cited in the simplistic manner that is being celebrated now.
1. 2M refers to the total number of votesb that were at the control of the IEBC - Jubilee Mafia. These votes could be accessed remotely, transferred, marked "voted" and added to any candidate - even MCAs at will.
2. Like today, they are found all over the country. Some or most have legitimately registered to vote but on voting day will find their names "missing", transferred hundreds of miles away and marked as "already voted". The Remote voting group "votes" then the ballot stuffing group (at KU) prepares the right number of ballots and ensures they are delivered to the polling station and introduced in the rest. If not before counting, during counting or after in storage (in case of court ordered recounts)
This has been limited by reducing the number of polling stations and the demand that the IEBC publish the number of voters per polling station etc. However this does not eliminate fake polling stations or streams at polling stations. Streams which will not be seen but voting will be "taking place" remotely.
In brief.
Weed
You must worship Babu for you also have evidence of secret underground crematoriums in Nyanza that roasted poor jaluos understating the PEV casualties
Your ability to conjure bs out of your rear is legendary
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Like I promised you, you have chosen ad hominem and I will deliver, have no doubt. Everything in its time. For now I will try to help you.
If you search this board, you will find an article - not written by me - which has the same details. I am still trying to find your comments on it.
That said, what in what I have written do you find untenable and on what basis.
KM
The 2M is not cited in the simplistic manner that is being celebrated now.
1. 2M refers to the total number of votesb that were at the control of the IEBC - Jubilee Mafia. These votes could be accessed remotely, transferred, marked "voted" and added to any candidate - even MCAs at will.
2. Like today, they are found all over the country. Some or most have legitimately registered to vote but on voting day will find their names "missing", transferred hundreds of miles away and marked as "already voted". The Remote voting group "votes" then the ballot stuffing group (at KU) prepares the right number of ballots and ensures they are delivered to the polling station and introduced in the rest. If not before counting, during counting or after in storage (in case of court ordered recounts)
This has been limited by reducing the number of polling stations and the demand that the IEBC publish the number of voters per polling station etc. However this does not eliminate fake polling stations or streams at polling stations. Streams which will not be seen but voting will be "taking place" remotely.
In brief.
Weed
You must worship Babu for you also have evidence of secret underground crematoriums in Nyanza that roasted poor jaluos understating the PEV casualties
Your ability to conjure bs out of your rear is legendary
Get the article FIRST and leave me to get the comments myself...wait, I will delete them so do it and take screenshots. Mighty sure you're deleting your BS
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vooke
are you drunk or high on something
I would want to get in to a fight with an inebriated retard
The results were out from day one.
Do you have the 'original' figures?
Between your rear and IEBC you can easily guess where I go for facts
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2013/07/15/final-election-results-out-in-september-iebc_c801948
The Independent Electoral and Boundaries (IEBC) has no intention of making public the results of the March 4 general elections.
The Star has established that the IEBC has decided to push the public of the results sometimes after September, seven months after the elections were held.
We established that the commission has been unable to reconcile their figures which is the main reason for the delay.
This means that IEBC will only publish the complete results of the 2013 elections after the determinations of all pending election petitions.
Multiple sources at the IEBC said the commission had decided to delay the release of the results to pre-empt a situation where petitioners could take advantage of the results to prosecute their petitioners.
This decision was arrived after it “became obvious” that the figures declared by the IEBC of the total votes cast were overstated.
“Either these or any other reason for providing wrong results if proved can throw the whole tallying of results into question,” said one of the commissioner's who did not want to be identified due to the sensitivity of the matter.
He indicated that there was division among the commissioners with some preferring that the results be published immediately while others are in support of the delay.
Some of the commissioners are also critical of the manner in which the commission released the election results and believe it should have "exercised due diligence" to avoid the current situation where the integrity of the institution is being called into question.
The public was treated to the divisions in the commission when commissioner Mohammed Alawi openly contradicted his chairman Isaack Hassan over when the election results will be published.
Alawi, who was speaking during a Citizen TV talk show last Monday, defended the commission's decision to annul Kethi Kilonzo's nomination certificate for the Makueni Senatorial seat. He said the IEBC had complied with every provision of the law in relation to the publication of the results.
“We have published everything and as far as we are concerned there is nothing more published,” he said.
However, Hassan had two weeks ago promised the commission would soon publish the final results. Hassan made the promise when officially opening the African Union national bridge capacity workshop for IEBC staff held in Naivasha.
“I confirm that we will release the official results of all elective positions from the presidency to county ward representatives this week,” Issack said during the June 24 function.
But one of the commissioner said it will not be easy for the IEBC to publish the results, if at all. “If it has to publish the results then the earliest it can do that is September or afterwards,” he said.
The legal and financial consequences of “this gap” has forced the commission to delay the publication of the results until the fate of all the petitions is known.
At least 180 elections petitions have been filed in the courts after the last general elections held on March 4. The law limits the determination of such cases to six months after a general election. This means the cases must be concluded by the end of September in line with the law that require the election petitions be concluded within six months.
IEBC is wary of the legal and financial implications of these petitions should its published results be at variance with what was declared during the announcement of the official results in March.
The commission should have published complete results of the elections two weeks after the announcement of final results as stipulated in the law.
The commission has been toying with three sets of figures of the total votes cast during the March 4 poll.
According the commissioner, none of the three figures is adding up and several of his colleagues have refused to append their signatures to the results fearing a backlash from the public.
Of the three figures, the first shows total votes cast on March 4 to be 11, 578, 674, the second figures suggests that 12, 338, 667 which was the final figure given by the chairman when he declared Uhuru the winner of the presidential elections while the third figure is 12, 221, 053.
They are concerned that should the compete results be wrong, then serious questions will be raised about the whole tallying process.
“All the three figures show clearly that the total votes cast was seriously overstated,” said the commissioner.
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vooke
are you drunk or high on something
I would want to get in to a fight with an inebriated retard
The results were out from day one.
Do you have the 'original' figures?
Between your rear and IEBC you can easily guess where I go for facts
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2013/07/15/final-election-results-out-in-september-iebc_c801948
The Independent Electoral and Boundaries (IEBC) has no intention of making public the results of the March 4 general elections.
The Star has established that the IEBC has decided to push the public of the results sometimes after September, seven months after the elections were held.
We established that the commission has been unable to reconcile their figures which is the main reason for the delay.
This means that IEBC will only publish the complete results of the 2013 elections after the determinations of all pending election petitions.
Multiple sources at the IEBC said the commission had decided to delay the release of the results to pre-empt a situation where petitioners could take advantage of the results to prosecute their petitioners.
This decision was arrived after it “became obvious” that the figures declared by the IEBC of the total votes cast were overstated.
“Either these or any other reason for providing wrong results if proved can throw the whole tallying of results into question,” said one of the commissioner's who did not want to be identified due to the sensitivity of the matter.
He indicated that there was division among the commissioners with some preferring that the results be published immediately while others are in support of the delay.
Some of the commissioners are also critical of the manner in which the commission released the election results and believe it should have "exercised due diligence" to avoid the current situation where the integrity of the institution is being called into question.
The public was treated to the divisions in the commission when commissioner Mohammed Alawi openly contradicted his chairman Isaack Hassan over when the election results will be published.
Alawi, who was speaking during a Citizen TV talk show last Monday, defended the commission's decision to annul Kethi Kilonzo's nomination certificate for the Makueni Senatorial seat. He said the IEBC had complied with every provision of the law in relation to the publication of the results.
“We have published everything and as far as we are concerned there is nothing more published,” he said.
However, Hassan had two weeks ago promised the commission would soon publish the final results. Hassan made the promise when officially opening the African Union national bridge capacity workshop for IEBC staff held in Naivasha.
“I confirm that we will release the official results of all elective positions from the presidency to county ward representatives this week,” Issack said during the June 24 function.
But one of the commissioner said it will not be easy for the IEBC to publish the results, if at all. “If it has to publish the results then the earliest it can do that is September or afterwards,” he said.
The legal and financial consequences of “this gap” has forced the commission to delay the publication of the results until the fate of all the petitions is known.
At least 180 elections petitions have been filed in the courts after the last general elections held on March 4. The law limits the determination of such cases to six months after a general election. This means the cases must be concluded by the end of September in line with the law that require the election petitions be concluded within six months.
IEBC is wary of the legal and financial implications of these petitions should its published results be at variance with what was declared during the announcement of the official results in March.
The commission should have published complete results of the elections two weeks after the announcement of final results as stipulated in the law.
The commission has been toying with three sets of figures of the total votes cast during the March 4 poll.
According the commissioner, none of the three figures is adding up and several of his colleagues have refused to append their signatures to the results fearing a backlash from the public.
Of the three figures, the first shows total votes cast on March 4 to be 11, 578, 674, the second figures suggests that 12, 338, 667 which was the final figure given by the chairman when he declared Uhuru the winner of the presidential elections while the third figure is 12, 221, 053.
They are concerned that should the compete results be wrong, then serious questions will be raised about the whole tallying process.
“All the three figures show clearly that the total votes cast was seriously overstated,” said the commissioner.
Where's the thread?
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looks like Uhuru is slowly walking away from rigging scheme, I hear he is pretty mad with kalenjin mafia for murdering Musando. kalenjin mafia mainly Farouk kibet is determined to stop Kenyans from taking their country back.