The move will now allow the population of Asians in the country to participate fully in political and governance affairs of the nation without fear of being discriminated.
In a special gazette notice of July 21st this year, President Uhuru Kenyatta proclaimed recognition of Kenyans of Indian decent as the 44th tribe and invited them to participate in the political, economic, cultural and social development of the country.
Bizarre and comical:QuoteThe move will now allow the population of Asians in the country to participate fully in political and governance affairs of the nation without fear of being discriminated.QuoteIn a special gazette notice of July 21st this year, President Uhuru Kenyatta proclaimed recognition of Kenyans of Indian decent as the 44th tribe and invited them to participate in the political, economic, cultural and social development of the country.
Bizarre and comical:QuoteThe move will now allow the population of Asians in the country to participate fully in political and governance affairs of the nation without fear of being discriminated.QuoteIn a special gazette notice of July 21st this year, President Uhuru Kenyatta proclaimed recognition of Kenyans of Indian decent as the 44th tribe and invited them to participate in the political, economic, cultural and social development of the country.
Indian MOAS:
Hindus 70%: Lohanas, Lohars, Rajput (split 50-50 Jubilee/NASA); Patels and Mehtas (mostly businessmen and face competition from Kikuyu - lean NASA). Found in Nairobi West, Parklands, South C, Thika, etc
Muslims 20%: Sunni, Shia (Ismaili, Bohra) - mostly in Mombasa and lean NASA
Sikhs, Jains 5% in Kisumu; opposed to Muslims and lean Jubilee
Uhuru has completely lost his mind. His economic advisor, tax cheat Vimal Shah must be behind this move. Will the Indians give up their British passport?
They are a tribe who speak their own language.I don't see any problem with this move.They were already recognized as Kenyan asians.
They are a tribe who speak their own language.I don't see any problem with this move.They were already recognized as Kenyan asians.But that's because they are Kenyan Asians. That's like saying White Kenyans or Arab Kenyans or African Americans. But are these groups tribes?
This is wrong on so many levels. ARE they a tribe, or is this a colonialesque move to create a unity that doesn't exist? Did they ask for this? SMH.
I am struggling to understand why that is wrong when they are more than 200k asians in kenya.Whimsical and erratic decisions are never right and cause new and aggravate old problems. A Commission should have been set up to take views and address ALL with similar demands. However you may want to know that Uhuru XEROXED NASA Manifesto (and we are not complaining):
I don't understand how externally imposing a false identity on a group is better than calling them "others". Just call them what they are. How THEY see themselves/identifg. Does this mean that to be a real Kenyan one must be a member of a tribe?
And just slapping a fake identity on a group cannot prevent future racist/xenophobic attacks on them: HOW will it do that exactly? By convincing haters that these people are originally from Kenya? That's crazy.
I assume something like that would only take place in the context of a breakdown of constitutional order because our constitution and laws DO NOT allow discrimination based on ethnicity or tribe, nor does it base full citizenship on such. So a fake tribe would not prevent a future bigot who doesn't care two cents about the law from attacking ANY group, indegenious or otherwise, for biggoted reasons.
Being indegenious is a matter of FACT, it's not a gift from a government.
Moreover, the assumption that imposing an artificial identity on a group that has not asked for it is in any way morally/ethically ok bothers me. Does this not replace these people's own heritage? The govt must recognize the identity that groups have themselves, it should not just purport to give one to them.
If their identity is not that of a tribe but mere religion, even just broad ethnic or historical ties, it's enough to recognize that and ensure that belonging to a tribe does not give any advantages to anyone.
You're getting hot under the collar for nothing. 44th tribe is recognised as Kenya Asians. I don't know why you're complaining yet you're not an indian. What has this action taken from you? Has it made you fell less of a kenya? Let us have many more tribes being recognised. Some countries have 600 tribes recognised. Let us have hindi being taught in school.I don't understand how externally imposing a false identity on a group is better than calling them "others". Just call them what they are. How THEY see themselves/identifg. Does this mean that to be a real Kenyan one must be a member of a tribe?
And just slapping a fake identity on a group cannot prevent future racist/xenophobic attacks on them: HOW will it do that exactly? By convincing haters that these people are originally from Kenya? That's crazy.
I assume something like that would only take place in the context of a breakdown of constitutional order because our constitution and laws DO NOT allow discrimination based on ethnicity or tribe, nor does it base full citizenship on such. So a fake tribe would not prevent a future bigot who doesn't care two cents about the law from attacking ANY group, indegenious or otherwise, for biggoted reasons.
Being indegenious is a matter of FACT, it's not a gift from a government.
Moreover, the assumption that imposing an artificial identity on a group that has not asked for it is in any way morally/ethically ok bothers me. Does this not replace these people's own heritage? The govt must recognize the identity that groups have themselves, it should not just purport to give one to them.
If their identity is not that of a tribe but mere religion, even just broad ethnic or historical ties, it's enough to recognize that and ensure that belonging to a tribe does not give any advantages to anyone.
What has it given you that you are defending it? I've given my reasons here: ethical. Stop trying to tell me what I should care about.
I don't understand how externally imposing a false identity on a group is better than calling them "others". Just call them what they are. How THEY see themselves/identifg. Does this mean that to be a real Kenyan one must be a member of a tribe?
And just slapping a fake identity on a group cannot prevent future racist/xenophobic attacks on them: HOW will it do that exactly? By convincing haters that these people are originally from Kenya? That's crazy.
I assume something like that would only take place in the context of a breakdown of constitutional order because our constitution and laws DO NOT allow discrimination based on ethnicity or tribe, nor does it base full citizenship on such. So a fake tribe would not prevent a future bigot who doesn't care two cents about the law from attacking ANY group, indegenious or otherwise, for biggoted reasons.
Being indegenious is a matter of FACT, it's not a gift from a government.
Moreover, the assumption that imposing an artificial identity on a group that has not asked for it is in any way morally/ethically ok bothers me. Does this not replace these people's own heritage? The govt must recognize the identity that groups have themselves, it should not just purport to give one to them.
If their identity is not that of a tribe but mere religion, even just broad ethnic or historical ties, it's enough to recognize that and ensure that belonging to a tribe does not give any advantages to anyone.
It gives me nothing and takes away nothing. What is unethical about gazettment of kenyan asian as a tribe. Unless you have your own personal hatred for indians? Obviously somebody cared about this enough to ask it or for the gok to do it on it's own.It is insisting that tribe is a crucial factor of being a 'REAL' Kenyan that is based on hatred. Not everyone worships the almighty tribe like you Pundit. You havent responded to my points. My whole issue is that identity comes from within the group not govts, be they the British mkoloni or the current govt. This kind of issue of identity of minority groups is big in my line of work and so yes, I do give a s***. Its not just a Kenyan issue. But as usual you are turning this into a silly emotional exchange between you and me rather than a discussion of the topic. No, I will not assume that Indians asked for this, where or when did they? Its highly inappropriate and I will continue to say so with or without your permission. 8)What has it given you that you are defending it? I've given my reasons here: ethical. Stop trying to tell me what I should care about.
Kadame: I agree with you. This thing was not very well thought through but was done for political expediency. Some one just came up with the idea, it sounded good and politically advantageous to them and they ran with it. What about the Indians who do not want to belong to that tribe? Are we going to force that label on them? Kenyan Indians do not fit neatly into the definition of tribe as we know it. Its like the USA telling Kenyans living in the USA that we all belong to the Kenyan tribe or a race called Kenyans. Its ridiculous.
tribe
[tr?b]
NOUN
a social division in a traditional society consisting of families or communities linked by social, economic, religious, or blood ties, with a common culture and dialect, typically having a recognized leader:I don't understand how externally imposing a false identity on a group is better than calling them "others". Just call them what they are. How THEY see themselves/identifg. Does this mean that to be a real Kenyan one must be a member of a tribe?
And just slapping a fake identity on a group cannot prevent future racist/xenophobic attacks on them: HOW will it do that exactly? By convincing haters that these people are originally from Kenya? That's crazy.
I assume something like that would only take place in the context of a breakdown of constitutional order because our constitution and laws DO NOT allow discrimination based on ethnicity or tribe, nor does it base full citizenship on such. So a fake tribe would not prevent a future bigot who doesn't care two cents about the law from attacking ANY group, indegenious or otherwise, for biggoted reasons.
Being indegenious is a matter of FACT, it's not a gift from a government.
Moreover, the assumption that imposing an artificial identity on a group that has not asked for it is in any way morally/ethically ok bothers me. Does this not replace these people's own heritage? The govt must recognize the identity that groups have themselves, it should not just purport to give one to them.
If their identity is not that of a tribe but mere religion, even just broad ethnic or historical ties, it's enough to recognize that and ensure that belonging to a tribe does not give any advantages to anyone.
It gives me nothing and takes away nothing. What is unethical about gazettment of kenyan asian as a tribe. Unless you have your own personal hatred for indians? Obviously somebody cared about this enough to ask it or for the gok to do it on it's own.What has it given you that you are defending it? I've given my reasons here: ethical. Stop trying to tell me what I should care about.
It is insisting that tribe is a crucial factor of being a 'REAL' Kenyan that is based on hatred. Not everyone worships the almighty tribe like you Pundit. You havent responded to my points. My whole issue is that identity comes from within the group not govts, be they the British mkoloni or the current govt. This kind of issue of identity of minority groups is big in my line of work and so yes, I do give a s***. Its not just a Kenyan issue. But as usual you are turning this into a silly emotional exchange between you and me rather than a discussion of the topic. No, I will not assume that Indians asked for this, where or when did they? Its highly inappropriate and I will continue to say so with or without your permission. 8)
Whats wrong with it is because you do not want to define a people without their total consent and unanimous approval. You want to think this thing very carefully and consider all the legal, social, economic and political implications that may come with it. The Indians may now be entitled to tribal land or some tribal rights that they never had. Why now and so quickly without a debate of how to treat other communities who may want such designations in the future. You support everything this idiot does and then call yourself objective.Exactly, Kichwa. My whole point is that identity comes from the groups themselves, not some external entity called a govt. Also, it reinforces a bad mindset that if you dont have a tribe you are a not a full Kenyan.It gives me nothing and takes away nothing. What is unethical about gazettment of kenyan asian as a tribe. Unless you have your own personal hatred for indians? Obviously somebody cared about this enough to ask it or for the gok to do it on it's own.What has it given you that you are defending it? I've given my reasons here: ethical. Stop trying to tell me what I should care about.
Whats wrong with it is because you do not want to define a people without their total consent and unanimous approval. You want to think this thing very carefully and consider all the legal, social, economic and political implications that may come with it. The Indians may now be entitled to tribal land or some tribal rights that they never had. Why now and so quickly without a debate of how to treat other communities who may want such designations in the future. You support everything this idiot does and then call yourself objective.
Nobody force you to belong to a tribe. You can choose to say Kenyan. Of course tribe is important. On second thought this is actually a watershed moment for many indians if you know what happen in Uganda and in Kenya in 70s. I bet there are laws in our books that are still anti-indians - one of which was immigration & trade act of 1967 - which forbade indians from trading or doing business in some towns. Now all those laws enacted in 60s and 70s are now null and void.
I don't understand how progressive people can hate what seem like expansion of political freedoms and rights of kenyan asian. Tell me if you won't love if the US recongise kenyan diaspora as a tribe.Kadame: I agree with you. This thing was not very well thought through but was done for political expediency. Some one just came up with the idea, it sounded good and politically advantageous to them and they ran with it. What about the Indians who do not want to belong to that tribe? Are we going to force that label on them? Kenyan Indians do not fit neatly into the definition of tribe as we know it. Its like the USA telling Kenyans living in the USA that we all belong to the Kenyan tribe or a race called Kenyans. Its ridiculous.
tribe
[tr?b]
NOUN
a social division in a traditional society consisting of families or communities linked by social, economic, religious, or blood ties, with a common culture and dialect, typically having a recognized leader:I don't understand how externally imposing a false identity on a group is better than calling them "others". Just call them what they are. How THEY see themselves/identifg. Does this mean that to be a real Kenyan one must be a member of a tribe?
And just slapping a fake identity on a group cannot prevent future racist/xenophobic attacks on them: HOW will it do that exactly? By convincing haters that these people are originally from Kenya? That's crazy.
I assume something like that would only take place in the context of a breakdown of constitutional order because our constitution and laws DO NOT allow discrimination based on ethnicity or tribe, nor does it base full citizenship on such. So a fake tribe would not prevent a future bigot who doesn't care two cents about the law from attacking ANY group, indegenious or otherwise, for biggoted reasons.
Being indegenious is a matter of FACT, it's not a gift from a government.
Moreover, the assumption that imposing an artificial identity on a group that has not asked for it is in any way morally/ethically ok bothers me. Does this not replace these people's own heritage? The govt must recognize the identity that groups have themselves, it should not just purport to give one to them.
If their identity is not that of a tribe but mere religion, even just broad ethnic or historical ties, it's enough to recognize that and ensure that belonging to a tribe does not give any advantages to anyone.
Exactly, Kichwa. My whole point is that identity comes from the groups themselves, not some external entity called a govt. Also, it reinforces a bad mindset that if you dont have a tribe you are a not a full Kenyan.
Indians were already full citizens of Kenya with all the rights that all Kenyans have. Indians in Kenya do not fit the definition of a tribe because of their diversity including language and culture. The only thing some of them have in common is because they come from a land called India.[/quote]
You can challenge this executive decision otherwise PORK & executive have the mandate to do some of this stuff. They exercise that discretion because he was elected by 50% of kenyan and I believe (unless explicitly made clearly) that GoK has done this for good reasons. Of course the timming could indicate some political reason - but that is what incumbency is all about. Uhuru has to take advantage of incumbecy and Raila has the whole day to accuse gok over everything including drought - that too is the advantage of opposition - coz you can always blame GoK for anything.Whats wrong with it is because you do not want to define a people without their total consent and unanimous approval. You want to think this thing very carefully and consider all the legal, social, economic and political implications that may come with it. The Indians may now be entitled to tribal land or some tribal rights that they never had. Why now and so quickly without a debate of how to treat other communities who may want such designations in the future. You support everything this idiot does and then call yourself objective.
At this time I am not even thinking of his authority to designate Indians a tribe, I am just thinking of the rational. The question of authority will come up if there is a litigation. The president does not have plenary powers just because he is elected by a f --ing 51% of the people. If Indians go to court to claim some tribal rights, then the government of the day may at that time argue that Ouru never had the powers to designate them a tribe or that they do not fit the definition of a tribe. We are not there yet. Right now we are just trying to figure out the rational other than the political advantage Ouru is seeking.
It not enough to be paper citizen. I mean indian who recently immigrated from Indian and Kenyan Asian should be distinguished. These are folks who have been here for 100 plus years. They deserve recognition. They can become a race or a tribe - I don't care - but I am generally progressive and liberal dude who don't see how this is 1) bad 2) negatively affect anybody.[/quote]
I bet most Kenyan Asians (who've been here for generations) want this as way to distinguish themselves from Indians (In Kenya).Indians were already full citizens of Kenya with all the rights that all Kenyans have. Indians in Kenya do not fit the definition of a tribe because of their diversity including language and culture. The only thing some of them have in common is because they come from a land called India.
I guess you just emigrated to Kenya? And have been living in mars all along? You honestly don't know why Kenyan Asians would want this? Why not do some research for some context
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indians_in_Kenya
I believe Kenyan Asian is a term they want to call themselves - coz they are from Indian, Pakistani, Bangaldesh etc) and it make sense for them to have this brand new identity.At this time I am not even thinking of his authority to designate Indians a tribe, I am just thinking of the rational. The question of authority will come up if there is a litigation. The president does not have plenary powers just because he is elected by a f --ing 51% of the people. If Indians go to court to claim some tribal rights, then the government of the day may at that time argue that Ouru never had the powers to designate them a tribe or that they do not fit the definition of a tribe. We are not there yet. Right now we are just trying to figure out the rational other than the political advantage Ouru is seeking.
They can call themselves whatever they want. They do not need ouru for that.
Identity most of the times come outside. Most people call themselves "people" in their own language :). Most of the tribes in kenya are idenity given to them by others. For example Nandi - has no meaning in Kalenjin or Nandi - and was identity imposed by Arabs slave trades. Nandi is a foreign word and so are many of kenya tribes - I even suspect Gikuyu is foreign word to Gikuyu and was probably maasai name meaning parakuyo. GoK can decide to refer to all indians as Kenyan Asian - the same way blacks in US - are African-American - and unless it's offensive I don't see why again you're getting hot under the collar - unless you have issues with Indians.Please stop trying to insist on a fake motive for my objections, ati hatred of Indians, when I have stated all of mine here in writing. The difference here is that I do not agree that having an African tribe is crucial to being a Kenyan. How you cinceptualize being a Kenyan is the whole issue. Kenya houses peoples of diverse backgrounds and heritage, some African, others not, and that is worthy of celebration without trying to make one group like the others. Integration does not happen by trying to make a small group like the larger group(s) but by recognizing and appreciating all groups as they are. I have no idea why Uhuru has done this, Im not a heart reader but like you saw with my response to Omollo, I'd feel the same whether its NASA or Jubilee that does this. It's such a colonial move. There are countries still suffering the impacts of these external impositions by colonists and other kinds of govt. I disagree with the whole affair whether its happening in Kenya or the U.S.A.
I believe strongly that kenyan indians - having stayed here for generation - deserve the recognition and integration to make them more than paper citizen. This is big step that we should laud.Exactly, Kichwa. My whole point is that identity comes from the groups themselves, not some external entity called a govt. Also, it reinforces a bad mindset that if you dont have a tribe you are a not a full Kenyan.
And what exactly is your problem. Still struggling to understand.They can call themselves whatever they want. They do not need ouru for that.
Please stop trying to insist on a fake motive for my objections, ati hatred of Indians, when I have stated all of mine here in writing. The difference here is that I do not agree that having an African tribe is crucial to being a Kenyan. How you cinceptualize being a Kenyan is the whole issue. Kenya houses peoples of diverse backgrounds and heritage, some African, others not, and that is worthy of celebration without trying to make one group like the others. Integration does not happen by trying to make a small group like the larger group(s) but by recognizing and appreciating all groups as they are. I have no idea why Uhuru has done this, Im not a heart reader but like you saw with my response to Omollo, I'd feel the same whether its NASA or Jubilee that does this. It's such a colonial move. There are countries still suffering the impacts of these external impositions by colonists and other kinds of govt. I disagree with the whole affair whether its happening in Kenya or the U.S.A.
The problem is that Ouru is not a tribal leader to confer tribal rights or create tribes like Moi used to create districts willy nilly. Ouru is the constitutional president of Kenya and the constitution is tribe neutral. An Indian group who considers themselves an Indian tribe of Kenya can make Ouru the leader of their tribe and Ouru can arrange for some individual Indians to become members of Kikuyu tribe but Ouru should not try to use his presidency to confer tribes or create new tribes. We are trying to get away from roadside pronouncement presidency.
An objection was already launched a month ago apparently. Those interested can read it here: http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/06/05/asians-dont-seek-to-be-44th-tribe_c1571938
Same issues we've raised here: they are not actually a tribe but are a diverse group and as a whole have not asked for this plus it is tribalist, the whole thing. It seems a group within them asked for this in an attempt to help some indian aspirants in the election. And as Kichwa already pointed out, they are not all interested in this new tribe, so why should they be placed in that category? Also, really interesting discussions in the comments below the article, there are many informed Kenyans. :)
Where was your angst when Uhuru made Makonde (a very small tribe in sisal plantation) - formerly mozambique - and Nubian(Sudanese) - I think - the 43 or 44th tribe. All I can see from you and Kadame is the usual hatred against Indians (Kenyan Asians). Tribe is very important. It allows those kenyan asian to forge their identity with official recongition - teach their kids hindi, perform marriages, name any tribal ceremony, get jobs, get national ids (without being asked great grandfather Id) etc.
I laud Uhuru for expanding Kenyan Asian freedoms & rights. We need to keep adding more tribes because some people feel this is important to them and there is nobody who get harmed if today.
I haven't read the exact law that allows Uhuru to recognize tribes...but I bet this is clarified in the gazette notice.
Uhuru in his small way has recognize makonde and open the way for them to be enrolled as kenyans - and get ID documents. He has granted Nubian - Kibera - as their tribal land - and given them titledeed. Now it's time for Indians to be recognise as tribe and for Parklands :D to be recongize as Kenyan Asian Tribal Land :) as surely it it is. Indians or Kenyan asian can now even teach hindi in their school without some ministry of official saying no. They can elect tribal leaders and make Raila an Indian Elder :)The problem is that Ouru is not a tribal leader to confer tribal rights or create tribes like Moi used to create districts willy nilly. Ouru is the constitutional president of Kenya and the constitution is tribe neutral. An Indian group who considers themselves an Indian tribe of Kenya can make Ouru the leader of their tribe and Ouru can arrange for some individual Indians to become members of Kikuyu tribe but Ouru should not try to use his presidency to confer tribes or create new tribes. We are trying to get away from roadside pronouncement presidency.
Your spinning is so silly you probably think you are talking to children. How can you compare homogeneous traditional African tribes with Indians who are so diverse culturally with deep/huge language and religious barriers. Its like forcing Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs to belong to one tribe when they come to Kenya. This is not only silly but ridiculous.
Do you know how diverse the so called Makonde (now calling themselves sisal literally:)) are in Mozambique? Kenyan Asians are one people at least in kenya - obviously in India they are diverse - but here the differences have been smoothen. Again what is wrong if some indians or pakistani petitioned gok to recognise them as a tribe and it was granted. You wanted to have a say or a referendum on this. How does it reduce the Luo pie? How does it affect you?Your spinning is so silly you probably think you are talking to children. How can you compare homogeneous traditional African tribes with Indians who are so diverse culturally with deep/huge language and religious barriers. Its like forcing Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs to belong to one tribe when they come to Kenya. This is not only silly but ridiculous.
I wish ouru would focus on his job instead of trying to "smoothen" cultural difference between the Kenyan Asian community. These Asian Kenyans know who they are and do not need Ouru to define them. 61% of Kenyans think Kenya is heading towards the wrong direction and it has something to do with corruption ran amok, high unemployment, the alarming expansion of poverty, hunger, high cost of living, blatant tribalism/nepotism benefiting close family/friends of Ouru and Ruto.Relax, it's not like the entire office of the president came to a standstill because he recognized Indians as a tribeDo you know how diverse the so called Makonde (now calling themselves sisal literally:)) are in Mozambique? Kenyan Asians are one people at least in kenya - obviously in India they are diverse - but here the differences have been smoothen. Again what is wrong if some indians or pakistani petitioned gok to recognise them as a tribe and it was granted. You wanted to have a say or a referendum on this. How does it reduce the Luo pie? How does it affect you?Your spinning is so silly you probably think you are talking to children. How can you compare homogeneous traditional African tribes with Indians who are so diverse culturally with deep/huge language and religious barriers. Its like forcing Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs to belong to one tribe when they come to Kenya. This is not only silly but ridiculous.
I wish ouru would focus on his job instead of trying to "smoothen" cultural difference between the Kenyan Asian community. These Asian Kenyans know who they are and do not need Ouru to define them. 61% of Kenyans think Kenya is heading towards the wrong direction and it has something to do with corruption ran amok, high unemployment, the alarming expansion of poverty, hunger, high cost of living, blatant tribalism/nepotism benefiting close family/friends of Ouru and Ruto.Relax, it's not like the entire office of the president came to a standstill because he recognized Indians as a tribeDo you know how diverse the so called Makonde (now calling themselves sisal literally:)) are in Mozambique? Kenyan Asians are one people at least in kenya - obviously in India they are diverse - but here the differences have been smoothen. Again what is wrong if some indians or pakistani petitioned gok to recognise them as a tribe and it was granted. You wanted to have a say or a referendum on this. How does it reduce the Luo pie? How does it affect you?Your spinning is so silly you probably think you are talking to children. How can you compare homogeneous traditional African tribes with Indians who are so diverse culturally with deep/huge language and religious barriers. Its like forcing Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs to belong to one tribe when they come to Kenya. This is not only silly but ridiculous.
He cannot creates jobs so now he is creating tribes.I wish ouru would focus on his job instead of trying to "smoothen" cultural difference between the Kenyan Asian community. These Asian Kenyans know who they are and do not need Ouru to define them. 61% of Kenyans think Kenya is heading towards the wrong direction and it has something to do with corruption ran amok, high unemployment, the alarming expansion of poverty, hunger, high cost of living, blatant tribalism/nepotism benefiting close family/friends of Ouru and Ruto.Relax, it's not like the entire office of the president came to a standstill because he recognized Indians as a tribeDo you know how diverse the so called Makonde (now calling themselves sisal literally:)) are in Mozambique? Kenyan Asians are one people at least in kenya - obviously in India they are diverse - but here the differences have been smoothen. Again what is wrong if some indians or pakistani petitioned gok to recognise them as a tribe and it was granted. You wanted to have a say or a referendum on this. How does it reduce the Luo pie? How does it affect you?Your spinning is so silly you probably think you are talking to children. How can you compare homogeneous traditional African tribes with Indians who are so diverse culturally with deep/huge language and religious barriers. Its like forcing Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs to belong to one tribe when they come to Kenya. This is not only silly but ridiculous.
Uhuru implementing NASA manifesto. 🤓
— David Ndii (@DavidNdii) July 22, 2017
Kenyans of Indian descent become 44th tribe https://t.co/a8dYXsigiu pic.twitter.com/VhME1PnODn
This was done for political expediency (Indian numbers are dismal) but is a harmless gesture. Besides that it's historically justifiable from the vitriol and apartheid Indians have faced from Idi Amin, Kenneth Matiba, etc. I find it to be the equivalent of African Americans with the Indian relative economic might being balanced by their extreme minority. Recall Indians principally got here as rail-building slaves and were devoured by fatigue, whips, hunger, lions & hyenas, malaria, etc. Just like negros! Let them be, it doesn't hurt us.
Indians are their own worst enemy. They fail to intergrate in any society they go into and expect to be accepted that way.. their culture is lousy and until it evolves they will remain a lousy people who main goal is just to chase money like zombies and live on fringes of society
i would hate to be an Indian Kid born abroad. it must be very difficult to live a life where your family deliberately fails to intergrate and expects you to follow suit. I really pity these kids.
Anyway let these 150K so people continue to live their separate but equal life