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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on July 19, 2017, 07:45:03 AM

Title: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: RV Pundit on July 19, 2017, 07:45:03 AM
I mean the kind of crowds UhuRuto are attracting in perceived opposition strongholds must be sending shock-waves to NASA brigade. Jubilee in 2013 won but never attracted such crowds in places like Kwale or Kilifi or Mombasa. I mean nearly every where Jubilee has gone - Gusii, Ukambani, Western, rv, central and eastern - we've seen some huge crowds - excepts perhaps in Kakamega,homabya & Kisumu.

Jubilee carpet bombing now moves to Taita Taveta - that would complete the coast tour - then Nairobi, NEP, Isiolo, Marsabit, Samburu, Narok, Kajiado,Turkana, Siaya and Migori will wrap it up before. 47 counties meticulous covered with almost all constituencies visited.

Let hope election are done on 8.8 so we can move on. This one is over for NASA. Jubilee need ony 800k votes to add to GEMA+Kalenjin core - by looks set to get maybe 2m more.

Ukunda- Kwale

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-0/p480x480/20121389_1754649251230287_7660645334873136412_o.jpg?oh=a619ff90b5357671b44bcec29dd72774&oe=5A038748)
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Mtwapa - Kilifi
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Jomvu - Mombasa.
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Malindi - Kilifi
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Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: vooke on July 19, 2017, 09:57:51 AM
Given these are areas they virtually never set foot on in 2013, they will walk off with something better than 2013.
Kwale was 14% or 17,600
Mombasa was 24% or 64,800
Kilifi was 11% or 23,400



Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: RV Pundit on July 19, 2017, 10:52:02 AM
Precisely. Uhuru was so unpopular I think he didn't even bother much to campaign in coast/western/nep/those areas. Ruto did a few most lonely trips there. This time round - we could be looking at 50-50 in NASA stronghold - and complete sweep of northern counties except Turkana. This the reason NASA brigade are scare stiff of 8.8.2017.
Given these are areas they virtually never set foot on in 2013, they will walk off with something better than 2013.
Kwale was 14% or 17,600
Mombasa was 24% or 64,800
Kilifi was 11% or 23,400




Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: Nefertiti on July 19, 2017, 01:56:56 PM
I think Jubilee issuing millions of title deeds has mollified land grievances among Mijikenda. It's what Raila used to hammer him in 2013. Devolution has also worked to thaw anti-Kikuyuism which is a paradox.
Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: Omollo on July 19, 2017, 02:06:43 PM
hahaha

Pundit, Uhuru has no votes in Mombasa come rain or shine. Let me share with you a video of how those guys got so read and in large numbers. There are many so I'll just dig up the one for Mombasa may be Jomvu. We have our people monitoring all those thugs as they pay people to attend Uhuru's rallies.

here one from someone from your home area Bomet:

Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: vooke on July 19, 2017, 02:28:46 PM
The reception is amazing. The titles are working I think.


Omorlo,EVERY meeting has some idlers transported. But you can't possibly ferry 500K people to any event. Think of the logistical nightmare. Assuming you transport 100 at a time. How many trips would you make? 5000 trips. Say you have 500 buses/lorries, each would make 10 trips. Ever seen a Rally with 100 vehicles transporting idlers let alone 500? Note buses do not more than 70, lorries much less.
Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: Omollo on July 19, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
First of all you have to understand one tiny little detail about Pwani: They love rallies, love political battles and they award marks to the best speaker. It is a game and it is in their blood.

The women arrive early enough to sit and wait for the speakers. They cheer everyone who speaks well, who ridicules his opponents and is witty and funny.

You vooke can call a rally at Tononoka on a saturday with the posters saying "Meeting to Hurl Matusi at Joho... Come listen to the best Matusi..." and my adopted people of Pwani will come like they are paid to attend. In fact they can pay (if it is not that high) to come and listen to you insult Joho or Uhuru.

When it comes to voting, they will remain unswayed!

Year in year out people stood against Shariff Nassir and ridiculed him. He would ignore but a few days to the polls he would call his own meeting and remind them that time for voting is near and those comedians have finished their act now vote for mzee and that would be it.
That vooke is why I laugh at Pundit and you.

Uhuru has no vote in Mombasa.
Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: RV Pundit on July 19, 2017, 02:50:43 PM
Maybe you skipped 2013 - but UhuRuto had really bad perception in the coast - where Odinga and CORD managed to scare them with return of another kenyatta coming to grab their land -- but they've seen Uhuru who has no ambition for their land unlike his father. Instead Uhuru has issued them millions of title deed, are building roads, SGR and such projects that are impacting on coast. Then you have CORD governors like Joho behaving like damn fools with little to show for 50B devolved - I mean Mombasa is now one big heap of rubbish.Joho seem more interested in entertaining Raila than collecting mountain of rubbish. What CORD governors have done[nothing]  in Mombasa, Nairobi and Kisumu - is the reason why people are giving Uhuru a second look. Most performing governors are backing Jubilee for that reason.

First of all you have to understand one tiny little detail about Pwani: They love rallies, love political battles and they award marks to the best speaker. It is a game and it is in their blood.

The women arrive early enough to sit and wait for the speakers. They cheer everyone who speaks well, who ridicules his opponents and is witty and funny.

You vooke can call a rally at Tononoka on a saturday with the posters saying "Meeting to Hurl Matusi at Joho... Come listen to the best Matusi..." and my adopted people of Pwani will come like they are paid to attend. In fact they can pay (if it is not that high) to come and listen to you insult Joho or Uhuru.

When it comes to voting, they will remain unswayed!

Year in year out people stood against Shariff Nassir and ridiculed him. He would ignore but a few days to the polls he would call his own meeting and remind them that time for voting is near and those comedians have finished their act now vote for mzee and that would be it.
That vooke is why I laugh at Pundit and you.

Uhuru has no vote in Mombasa.
Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: RV Pundit on July 19, 2017, 02:53:07 PM
Exactly. Raila was recently in Mombasa and got literally sick because the reception he got was nothing like Jubilee are getting. The opinion polls are showing that western, coast and northern kenya are seriously swaying to Jubilee - I am starting to believe them.
I think Jubilee issuing millions of title deeds has mollified land grievances among Mijikenda. It's what Raila used to hammer him in 2013. Devolution has also worked to thaw anti-Kikuyuism which is a paradox.
Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: Omollo on July 19, 2017, 03:15:44 PM
Robina and Pundit the answer is NO. He made it worse. If I were advising him I could have told him to follow the Moi example and just ignore it.

1. The Waitiki Farm debacle where he refused to write off the charges and rates etc and forced everyone to pay not only ruined his moment of glory but built his opponent who was struggling - Joho. It ruined a season politician who rose from illiteracy to mayor of Mombasa to MP of Likoni - Mwahima.
2. The title deeds have several problems which I shall just briefly explain:

I am not sure about your opinion polls and how they are swaying. Uhuru will be lucky to get a single vote in Western, Coast, NEP and Nyanza

Exactly. Raila was recently in Mombasa and got literally sick because the reception he got was nothing like Jubilee are getting. The opinion polls are showing that western, coast and northern kenya are seriously swaying to Jubilee - I am starting to believe them.
I think Jubilee issuing millions of title deeds has mollified land grievances among Mijikenda. It's what Raila used to hammer him in 2013. Devolution has also worked to thaw anti-Kikuyuism which is a paradox.
Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: RV Pundit on July 19, 2017, 03:24:26 PM
Nonsense.
Robina and Pundit the answer is NO. He made it worse. If I were advising him I could have told him to follow the Moi example and just ignore it.

1. The Waitiki Farm debacle where he refused to write off the charges and rates etc and forced everyone to pay not only ruined his moment of glory but built his opponent who was struggling - Joho. It ruined a season politician who rose from illiteracy to mayor of Mombasa to MP of Likoni - Mwahima.
2. The title deeds have several problems which I shall just briefly explain:
  • The use of the County Administration led to massive corruption. Mombasa like Nairobi basically has Chiefs who are more corrupt than corruption. These fucked up the whole thing by selling the process. Those who paid got titles and the real beneficiaries got even angrier. The locals who got titles are "professional" squatters. Even those allocated genuinley lost the land when the lists prepared excluded them. There is such an outcry. As you know the moment one or two Kikuyu names are found in the mix as beneficiaries, the narrative changes
  • Uhuru Kenyatta's family still owns a lot of land in Kwale, Kilifi and Taita-Taveta. Since taking office and out of ill advise, Uhuru did one cardinal mistake and expanded his family's property at the coast. Whether it is him or proxies or imposters, the reaction was swift. Ask any Kikuyu small time owner and he will tell you, he has sold or selling or just given away. The air is toxic and pregnant.

I am not sure about your opinion polls and how they are swaying. Uhuru will be lucky to get a single vote in Western, Coast, NEP and Nyanza

Exactly. Raila was recently in Mombasa and got literally sick because the reception he got was nothing like Jubilee are getting. The opinion polls are showing that western, coast and northern kenya are seriously swaying to Jubilee - I am starting to believe them.
I think Jubilee issuing millions of title deeds has mollified land grievances among Mijikenda. It's what Raila used to hammer him in 2013. Devolution has also worked to thaw anti-Kikuyuism which is a paradox.
Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: vooke on July 19, 2017, 03:27:29 PM
First of all you have to understand one tiny little detail about Pwani: They love rallies, love political battles and they award marks to the best speaker. It is a game and it is in their blood.

The women arrive early enough to sit and wait for the speakers. They cheer everyone who speaks well, who ridicules his opponents and is witty and funny.

You vooke can call a rally at Tononoka on a saturday with the posters saying "Meeting to Hurl Matusi at Joho... Come listen to the best Matusi..." and my adopted people of Pwani will come like they are paid to attend. In fact they can pay (if it is not that high) to come and listen to you insult Joho or Uhuru.

When it comes to voting, they will remain unswayed!

Year in year out people stood against Shariff Nassir and ridiculed him. He would ignore but a few days to the polls he would call his own meeting and remind them that time for voting is near and those comedians have finished their act now vote for mzee and that would be it.
That vooke is why I laugh at Pundit and you.

Uhuru has no vote in Mombasa.
So why did they need to transport 500K idlers?

Uhunye got 1/4 without any campaign down in Mombasa. Now, with 300K titles and endless tours you think that will vamoz into thin air?

The reason Baba will never be president is because he imagines by denying reality , it ceases to exist
Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: vooke on July 19, 2017, 03:33:28 PM
Robina and Pundit the answer is NO. He made it worse. If I were advising him I could have told him to follow the Moi example and just ignore it.

1. The Waitiki Farm debacle where he refused to write off the charges and rates etc and forced everyone to pay not only ruined his moment of glory but built his opponent who was struggling - Joho. It ruined a season politician who rose from illiteracy to mayor of Mombasa to MP of Likoni - Mwahima.
2. The title deeds have several problems which I shall just briefly explain:
  • The use of the County Administration led to massive corruption. Mombasa like Nairobi basically has Chiefs who are more corrupt than corruption. These fucked up the whole thing by selling the process. Those who paid got titles and the real beneficiaries got even angrier. The locals who got titles are "professional" squatters. Even those allocated genuinley lost the land when the lists prepared excluded them. There is such an outcry. As you know the moment one or two Kikuyu names are found in the mix as beneficiaries, the narrative changes
  • Uhuru Kenyatta's family still owns a lot of land in Kwale, Kilifi and Taita-Taveta. Since taking office and out of ill advise, Uhuru did one cardinal mistake and expanded his family's property at the coast. Whether it is him or proxies or imposters, the reaction was swift. Ask any Kikuyu small time owner and he will tell you, he has sold or selling or just given away. The air is toxic and pregnant.

I am not sure about your opinion polls and how they are swaying. Uhuru will be lucky to get a single vote in Western, Coast, NEP and Nyanza

Exactly. Raila was recently in Mombasa and got literally sick because the reception he got was nothing like Jubilee are getting. The opinion polls are showing that western, coast and northern kenya are seriously swaying to Jubilee - I am starting to believe them.
I think Jubilee issuing millions of title deeds has mollified land grievances among Mijikenda. It's what Raila used to hammer him in 2013. Devolution has also worked to thaw anti-Kikuyuism which is a paradox.

Stick to coast and explain how more prominent pointmen, campaigns, titles, minimal EJKs (al Shabaab cried foul last time) .....despite all these he would get less.

What has Uhuru done since 2013 to annoy coasterians? Embarrassing Joho?
Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: RV Pundit on July 19, 2017, 03:44:34 PM
I think Mombasa will always be difficult for Uhuru due to tribal arithmetic that favour Nasa. I have seen one opinion poll by star that put  Raila at 47 and Uhuru 36 percent. NEP Uhuru has on average 60-70% from opinion polls recently there.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/05/18/raila-closing-in-on-uhuru-poll_c1562863
Stick to coast and explain how more prominent pointmen, campaigns, titles, minimal EJKs (al Shabaab cried foul last time) .....despite all these he would get less.

What has Uhuru done since 2013 to annoy coasterians? Embarrassing Joho?
Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: Nefertiti on July 19, 2017, 07:01:23 PM
I think Omollo says the title deeds were issued fraudulently so the poor are more aggrieved. And that Uhuru has expanded Kenyatta family land holdings which is of course the original sin.

Stick to coast and explain how more prominent pointmen, campaigns, titles, minimal EJKs (al Shabaab cried foul last time) .....despite all these he would get less.

What has Uhuru done since 2013 to annoy coasterians? Embarrassing Joho?
Title: Re: The reason NASA wants election postphone is simple. Jubilee are romping home
Post by: vooke on July 20, 2017, 08:18:15 AM
I think Omollo says the title deeds were issued fraudulently so the poor are more aggrieved. And that Uhuru has expanded Kenyatta family land holdings which is of course the original sin.

Stick to coast and explain how more prominent pointmen, campaigns, titles, minimal EJKs (al Shabaab cried foul last time) .....despite all these he would get less.

What has Uhuru done since 2013 to annoy coasterians? Embarrassing Joho?
You can't possibly campaign in a region and get few votes than when you never campaigned. The titles are valid