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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: vooke on July 13, 2017, 09:36:30 AM
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Hundreds of high-tech communication gadgets to be used in NASA’s vote protection strategy have began arriving in the country, 25 days to the polls.
The first batch was secretly delivered last week to a secluded warehouse in Westlands, Nairobi.
More devices are expected from next week before the NASA secretariat embarks on training poll agents.
NASA has adopted a multiplex strategy to seal possible rigging loopholes at the polling stations, where they say election results are manipulated.
Presidential candidate Raila Odinga has claimed President Uhuru Kenyatta has no chance of beating him in the August 8 polls “if the elections are free and fair.”
Yesterday, the Star established smartphones, tablets and digital cameras with high resolution are some of the devices that were delivered.
NASA is said to have contracted a leading mobile phone manufacturer in Europe to design the gadgets with inbuilt software directly linking with the national presidential tallying centre in Nairobi.
The opposition wants each of its five agents per polling station equipped with a digital camera and a smart phone to record the vote counting and results declaration.
The agents will then relay the results in real time to the national tallying centre. NASA believes the parallel vote transmission will tally results from across the country within eight hours after the close of voting.
The NASA plan involves having polling station committees with a chairman, secretary, treasurer, a youth and a woman in all the 40,883 polling stations.
NASA launched a vigorous campaign to raise funds mainly to empower polling station agents, who will ensure vigilance at the polls on Election Day.
The campaign, dubbed ‘adopt-a-polling-station’, affords party sympathisers the opportunity to sponsor the party’s campaign activities estimated to cost Sh410 million. It will cost about Sh10,000 to cater for each polling station. The opposition has already raised millions of shillings through M-Pesa to fund the ambitious plan aimed at actualising Raila’s fourth attempt at the presidency.
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2017/07/13/nasa-high-tech-vote-protection-gadgets-begin-to-arrive-in-the-country_c1595672
Parallel tallying is pretty much redundant in an environment of LIVE transmission of results. Here's why;
1. It is IMPOSSIBLE for any party/faction to have one agent per polling station in the entire country let alone the five fantasized by NASWA. Means their agents will for a better part (I put it 60%) rely on secondary information for transmitting the results to their parallel tallying center
2. Before the Constituency tallying centers receive all declaration forms from the constituency, tally and declare the presidential results, Bomas will have released provisional results for the presidential election.
In short, the parallel tallying centers will end up relying on the same system they are checking not to mention they can't match its speed. Parallel tallying centers can thus serve one purpose;collecting stale information. But if the idea is to get private copies of Form 34 for the Petition, they may have a point....here they can quickly pull variances with the official results and zoom in on specific instances of stuffing.
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This is good for democracy. The more eyes we have on the election the better. However if the plan is to set up a parrallel IEBC system that will announce Raila the winner then it's DOA. Of course it's doubtful NASA will have 40B or more that IEBC has deployed ..to employ half a million agents or volunteer to man 41,000 polling stations...and to ran such a huge operation.
The strategy that will work is to do what observers did in 2013...which is to take a sample of polling stations...random sampling of polling station out of 41K will be more effective.
I'd urge both parties or coalition to concentrate on each other strongholds - that is where most rigging happens - thro collusion of agents/observers/iebc staff. And of course in far flung remote regions without even mobile communication.
My biggest worry remain with RO announcing invalid results leading to successfully petittions like it's been happening in MP seats.
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KDF is being persuaded to lock out NASA's agents from the polling stations. Which makes me wonder if you and Uhuru are so keen on democracy and do not want to rig elections, why on earth would one object to transparency?
NASA has 40K plus agent groups to cover all the polling stations. There will be no exception. NASA intelligence has revealed that Jubilee is demanding to know the names of each and everyone of the agents. It was another crazy demand from IEBC for NASA to provide the list before the IEBC states how many polling stations and which!
They intended to reveal the polling stations a week to polling so NASA told them you will get the lists the same time you name the polling stations.
I see no problem with ROs announcing results at the Constituency. That is a done deal and you may as well move on. The Supreme Court is not overturning anything as some Retard suggested.
This is good for democracy. The more eyes we have on the election the better. However if the plan is to set up a parrallel IEBC system that will announce Raila the winner then it's DOA. Of course it's doubtful NASA will have 40B or more that IEBC has deployed ..to employ half a million agents or volunteer to man 41,000 polling stations...and to ran such a huge operation.
The strategy that will work is to do what observers did in 2013...which is to take a sample of polling stations...random sampling of polling station out of 41K will be more effective.
I'd urge both parties or coalition to concentrate on each other strongholds - that is where most rigging happens - thro collusion of agents/observers/iebc staff. And of course in far flung remote regions without even mobile communication.
My biggest worry remain with RO announcing invalid results leading to successfully petittions like it's been happening in MP seats.
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KDF is being persuaded to lock out NASA's agents from the polling stations. Which makes me wonder if you and Uhuru are so keen on democracy and do not want to rig elections, why on earth would one object to transparency?
NASA has 40K plus agent groups to cover all the polling stations. There will be no exception. NASA intelligence has revealed that Jubilee is demanding to know the names of each and everyone of the agents. It was another crazy demand from IEBC for NASA to provide the list before the IEBC states how many polling stations and which!
They intended to reveal the polling stations a week to polling so NASA told them you will get the lists the same time you name the polling stations.
I see no problem with ROs announcing results at the Constituency. That is a done deal and you may as well move on. The Supreme Court is not overturning anything as some Retard suggested.
This is good for democracy. The more eyes we have on the election the better. However if the plan is to set up a parrallel IEBC system that will announce Raila the winner then it's DOA. Of course it's doubtful NASA will have 40B or more that IEBC has deployed ..to employ half a million agents or volunteer to man 41,000 polling stations...and to ran such a huge operation.
The strategy that will work is to do what observers did in 2013...which is to take a sample of polling stations...random sampling of polling station out of 41K will be more effective.
I'd urge both parties or coalition to concentrate on each other strongholds - that is where most rigging happens - thro collusion of agents/observers/iebc staff. And of course in far flung remote regions without even mobile communication.
My biggest worry remain with RO announcing invalid results leading to successfully petittions like it's been happening in MP seats.
You need to take your meds
IEBC gazetted the polling stations and tallying centers on 30th June 2017AD,and the list has been on their site for days.
https://www.iebc.or.ke/uploads/resources/LhDQP6QLxZ.pdf
NASWA will be lucky to recruit and deploy 40K agents let alone the 200K+ they are boasting of. The idea is to scare Jubilee into shunning rigging. Quite stupid. Hire the damn agents instead of pretending to.
Finally, stop baiting. I can school you in that
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What will happen is that once results are declared at the constituency, the media will tally and announce the winner long before the formality at Bomas. There will be no room for Issak Hassan backroom reconciliations. Media, observers, etc can also set up centers in future.
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What will happen is that once results are declared at the constituency, the media will tally and announce the winner long before the formality at Bomas. There will be no room for Issak Hassan backroom reconciliations. Media, observers, etc can also set up centers in future.
Matiang'i was brought in to steer the Bomas Project.
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What will happen is that once results are declared at the constituency, the media will tally and announce the winner long before the formality at Bomas. There will be no room for Issak Hassan backroom reconciliations. Media, observers, etc can also set up centers in future.
Yep. The reconciliation is gone. Or as some suggest, the focus will shift to the Constituency ROs, which is at least a factor of 290 times harder to pull off with a straight face.
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Which media house has 290 reporters? - I think if Jubilee will rig - they will target their stronghold & remote areas (the manderas) - NASA will rig in their strongholds - we've already seen homabay people doing their own initiative of double registering.
What will happen is that once results are declared at the constituency, the media will tally and announce the winner long before the formality at Bomas. There will be no room for Issak Hassan backroom reconciliations. Media, observers, etc can also set up centers in future.
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The Equal Rigging Theory again
Which media house has 290 reporters? - I think if Jubilee will rig - they will target their stronghold & remote areas (the manderas) - NASA will rig in their strongholds - we've already seen homabay people doing their own initiative of double registering.
What will happen is that once results are declared at the constituency, the media will tally and announce the winner long before the formality at Bomas. There will be no room for Issak Hassan backroom reconciliations. Media, observers, etc can also set up centers in future.
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It's not equal considering the zeal Luo Nyanza counties are showing. I think GEMA+Kalenjin stronghold need to really up their rigging game. Ultimately & seriously if BVR kits work -and use if biometrically identified before voting- we would have dealt with some of the rigging. Tallying is a little worrying because numbers not correlating to counted ballots can still be thrown about.
The Equal Rigging Theory again
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You are muddying the waters so we forget that the rigging will be remote followed by Al Ghurair ballots being delivered by KDF.
It's not equal considering the zeal Luo Nyanza counties are showing. I think GEMA+Kalenjin stronghold need to really up their rigging game. Ultimately & seriously if BVR kits work -and use if biometrically identified before voting- we would have dealt with some of the rigging. Tallying is a little worrying because numbers not correlating to counted ballots can still be thrown about.
The Equal Rigging Theory again
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You are muddying the waters so we forget that the rigging will be remote followed by Al Ghurair ballots being delivered by KDF.
It's not equal considering the zeal Luo Nyanza counties are showing. I think GEMA+Kalenjin stronghold need to really up their rigging game. Ultimately & seriously if BVR kits work -and use if biometrically identified before voting- we would have dealt with some of the rigging. Tallying is a little worrying because numbers not correlating to counted ballots can still be thrown about.
The Equal Rigging Theory again
Nonsense it will be by Martians not KDF
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I take it your matusi well has run dry or the two cells in an otherwise empty skull have overheated. Hence you have turned to one liner-Matusi.
Like I warned earlier, you lack the intellectual gravitas to engage me in anything apart from matusi (which I still think I excel with little effort). Next time you want to pick fight, get someone your size - I mean with two or one brain cells.
Baradhuli!
Nonsense it will be by Martians not KDF
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Omollo - I also don't grasp the remote rigging concept. Could you enlighten me?
Here's my imagination
Riggers hack the IEBC database and ballots with fake/dead voters or flag actual votes as cast. When human voters turn up they find they already voted. The riggers (using KDF) then deliver the actual premarked ballots to the polling station [?] incase of a recount. This physical delivery part is quite vague in my mind.
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In 2013, they had Centre at Kenyatta University. From day one until the results were declared, this centre was busy with cars coming and going and choppers.
This time round, they have identified several possible centres but we think it has been devolved. However once the centre or centres are found you shall hear about it because this time NASA is not allowing it to function.
To answer your question: say they have remotely voted and some polling station is short of real votes by 70. These will be delivered either while voting is going on or after when the ballot boxes are in safe storage.
Do not believe the nonsense about seals and signatures because it takes a few minutes to scan and reproduce signatures. In any case past recounts have found the seals broken and it has amounted to nothing. There is no specific penalty. People in Kenya do not do things because they are "illegal".
Omollo - I also don't grasp the remote rigging concept. Could you enlighten me?
Here's my imagination
Riggers hack the IEBC database and ballots with fake/dead voters or flag actual votes as cast. When human voters turn up they find they already voted. The riggers (using KDF) then deliver the actual premarked ballots to the polling station [?] incase of a recount. This physical delivery part is quite vague in my mind.
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I take it your matusi well has run dry or the two cells in an otherwise empty skull have overheated. Hence you have turned to one liner-Matusi.
Like I warned earlier, you lack the intellectual gravitas to engage me in anything apart from matusi (which I still think I excel with little effort). Next time you want to pick fight, get someone your size - I mean with two or one brain cells.
Baradhuli!
Nonsense it will be by Martians not KDF
What did you score in your paper?
Rigging should take 53% to 60%. With/without rigging, Babu will die trying, just like his old man. And it's funny he left the question of retiring open
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This would of course lead to total presidential votes being significantly more than total votes for other slots say MPs. Is that what happened in 2013?
In 2013, they had Centre at Kenyatta University. From day one until the results were declared, this centre was busy with cars coming and going and choppers.
This time round, they have identified several possible centres but we think it has been devolved. However once the centre or centres are found you shall hear about it because this time NASA is not allowing it to function.
To answer your question: say they have remotely voted and some polling station is short of real votes by 70. These will be delivered either while voting is going on or after when the ballot boxes are in safe storage.
Do not believe the nonsense about seals and signatures because it takes a few minutes to scan and reproduce signatures. In any case past recounts have found the seals broken and it has amounted to nothing. There is no specific penalty. People in Kenya do not do things because they are "illegal".
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This would of course lead to total presidential votes being significantly more than total votes for other slots say MPs. Is that what happened in 2013?
Précisément madame!!
Then Hassan spent a year doctoring the figures until people had forgotten what they were or did not care. Still the final result he released showed that kind of discrepancy.
The only other time it happened was 2007 when people matched to polling stations just to vote for Kibaki.
Before that Presidential elections used to receive less than the other contests.
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Here we go with lies again.2013 was not rigged. 30% of polling station that transmitted results matched the scok as audit.observers had their own result transmission of selected polling stations and it matched iebc.
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Here we go with lies again.2013 was not rigged. 30% of polling station that transmitted results matched the scok as audit.observers had their own result transmission of selected polling stations and it matched iebc.
This will repeat itself. Babu will be dragged to Supreme Court screaming. Whatever IEBC does and however free and fair the election will be, he will insist it was rigged and conjure 'evidence' from his nether parts...contrary to IEBC,Jubilee,local and international observers
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Here we go with lies again.2013 was not rigged. 30% of polling station that transmitted results matched the scok as audit.observers had their own result transmission of selected polling stations and it matched iebc.
the fact that you have refused out of hand to even examine the evidence if 2013 rigging is well known. However to then go ahead and make declatory statements as if they contained the truth is plain silly. You can convince yourself and one or two bigoted retards suffering the effects of mom milk ingested Ichaweri oath. Nobody else.
So there is no doubt: 2013 was rigged
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Take it to a foreign owned bank: NASA will not go to any court because it's winning overwhelmingly. All the facts on the ground support this position. Like Atwoli said recently the only option left for Uhuru Kenyatta is to rig and the rigging options are diminishing. There are two still remaining then we will not mind who prints the ballots.
International observers made it clear the rigging was the same as 2007 minus the violence.
Baradhuli
Here we go with lies again.2013 was not rigged. 30% of polling station that transmitted results matched the scok as audit.observers had their own result transmission of selected polling stations and it matched iebc.
This will repeat itself. Babu will be dragged to Supreme Court screaming. Whatever IEBC does and however free and fair the election will be, he will insist it was rigged and conjure 'evidence' from his nether parts...contrary to IEBC,Jubilee,local and international observers
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Take it to a foreign owned bank: NASA will not go to any court because it's winning overwhelmingly. All the facts on the ground support this position. Like Atwoli said recently the only option left for Uhuru Kenyatta is to rig and the rigging options are diminishing. There are two still remaining then we will not mind who prints the ballots.
International observers made it clear the rigging was the same as 2007 minus the violence.
Baradhuli
Here we go with lies again.2013 was not rigged. 30% of polling station that transmitted results matched the scok as audit.observers had their own result transmission of selected polling stations and it matched iebc.
This will repeat itself. Babu will be dragged to Supreme Court screaming. Whatever IEBC does and however free and fair the election will be, he will insist it was rigged and conjure 'evidence' from his nether parts...contrary to IEBC,Jubilee,local and international observers
SCOK here are the buffoons again
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Here we go with lies again.2013 was not rigged. 30% of polling station that transmitted results matched the scok as audit.observers had their own result transmission of selected polling stations and it matched iebc.
the fact that you have refused out of hand to even examine the evidence if 2013 rigging is well known. However to then go ahead and make declatory statements as if they contained the truth is plain silly. You can convince yourself and one or two bigoted retards suffering the effects of mom milk ingested Ichaweri oath. Nobody else.
So there is no doubt: 2013 was rigged
What evidence?
There's more evidence for chemtrails and UFOs than CORDiots were rigged out
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The only thing you succeed in saying is that like pundit you haven't delved into the issue to determine the truth for yourself.
FYI those who did are behind the demands and changes you see making jubilee and the IEBC shit bricks. You understand how it was rigged in 2013 you'll understand each and every NASA move. You ignore it, you'll be full of complaints and always several steps behind.
I said this out of the goodness of my heart and as a generous and altruistic act for which I expect nothing but matusi
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3 weeks and you'll be crying that IEBC and Uhuru rigged again.
The only thing you succeed in saying is that like pundit you haven't delved into the issue to determine the truth for yourself.
FYI those who did are behind the demands and changes you see making jubilee and the IEBC shit bricks. You understand how it was rigged in 2013 you'll understand each and every NASA move. You ignore it, you'll be full of complaints and always several steps behind.
I said this out of the goodness of my heart and as a generous and altruistic act for which I expect nothing but matusi
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Or YOU will be releasing your propaganda on NASA and going tribal.
Only KDF and Operation Bomas remaining bro. After we are done for me you can print the ballots anywhere.
3 weeks and you'll be crying that IEBC and Uhuru rigged again.
The only thing you succeed in saying is that like pundit you haven't delved into the issue to determine the truth for yourself.
FYI those who did are behind the demands and changes you see making jubilee and the IEBC shit bricks. You understand how it was rigged in 2013 you'll understand each and every NASA move. You ignore it, you'll be full of complaints and always several steps behind.
I said this out of the goodness of my heart and as a generous and altruistic act for which I expect nothing but matusi
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The only thing you succeed in saying is that like pundit you haven't delved into the issue to determine the truth for yourself.
FYI those who did are behind the demands and changes you see making jubilee and the IEBC shit bricks. You understand how it was rigged in 2013 you'll understand each and every NASA move. You ignore it, you'll be full of complaints and always several steps behind.
I said this out of the goodness of my heart and as a generous and altruistic act for which I expect nothing but matusi
Broken record. That's real fear right there. But it's good that you don't believe your fantasies
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You and the rest of the garbage are going home. If you work in a government officer, start clearing out.
I can't think of the excuses you will give. Jonathan accused Buhari of rigging as did SLPP in Sierra Leone when beaten by Ernest Koroma.
Broken record. That's real fear right there. But it's good that you don't believe your fantasies
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I remember the retally ordered by Njoki Ndung'u in the 2013 SCOK case already showed a discrepancy of about 7/8,000 (pluses for Uhuru and minuses for Raila) in about something like just 1% of the polling station forms. Which is why I find it puzzling that anyone can claim that the case was decided on the basis of "no evidence". Thats just not true. Almost all the rulings amounted to "no time" to properly consider evidence. It was all technicalities. And even the poorly written judgment issued later made that pretty clear. Bottom line, IEBC couldnt be compelled to produce stuff only it had access to and besides there was not much time for bla bla bla.
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One thing I know for sure, Kadame can be trusted to offer an highly intelligent and well thought out opinion - and one of a high intellectual integrity!
Thank you Kadame! Where would this board be without you and Moon Ki?
I remember the retally ordered by Njoki Ndung'u in the 2013 SCOK case already showed a discrepancy of about 7/8,000 (pluses for Uhuru and minuses for Raila) in about something like just 1% of the polling station forms. Which is why I find it puzzling that anyone can claim that the case was decided on the basis of "no evidence". Thats just not true. Almost all the rulings amounted to "no time" to properly consider evidence. It was all technicalities. And even the poorly written judgment issued later made that pretty clear. Bottom line, IEBC couldnt be compelled to produce stuff only it had access to and besides there was not much time for bla bla bla.
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I remember the retally ordered by Njoki Ndung'u in the 2013 SCOK case already showed a discrepancy of about 7/8,000 (pluses for Uhuru and minuses for Raila) in about something like just 1% of the polling station forms. Which is why I find it puzzling that anyone can claim that the case was decided on the basis of "no evidence". Thats just not true. Almost all the rulings amounted to "no time" to properly consider evidence. It was all technicalities. And even the poorly written judgment issued later made that pretty clear. Bottom line, IEBC couldnt be compelled to produce stuff only it had access to and besides there was not much time for bla bla bla.
They shot wide and wildly hoping to hit something from the Kencall servers to sijui what. Then they embarked on evidence gathering after making wild claims, and sat back praying that IEBC would do their job for them.
Now that we are working on memory, I recall the sampled retallying results favored neither, and were insignificantly different. I also recall a lame attempt to amend the affidavit or something by introducing excessively huge documents.
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You and the rest of the garbage are going home. If you work in a government officer, start clearing out.
I can't think of the excuses you will give. Jonathan accused Buhari of rigging as did SLPP in Sierra Leone when beaten by Ernest Koroma.
Broken record. That's real fear right there. But it's good that you don't believe your fantasies
Please stop venting at me. In my dreams I figured Babu may be the leader Kenya deserves. I even flirted with the idea of Uhuru committing sepukku following a humiliating defeat like in 2002. But, the reality of Bomet shell-shocked me. There is no Rift in the Rift.
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The common thing with all those who blindly support jubilee is:
1. They all uniformly reject rigging claims
2. They do so out of hand like the Pope rejecting Galileo's theory
3. Like the Pope, they refuse to look at the evidence
4. Like the Pope, they outlaw the evidence or tool to use to look at the evidence
5. They are proud of their ignorance and ridicule those who are less ignorant
They shot wide and wildly hoping to hit something from the Kencall servers to sijui what. Then they embarked on evidence gathering after making wild claims, and sat back praying that IEBC would do their job for them.
Now that we are working on memory, I recall the sampled retallying results favored neither, and were insignificantly different. I also recall a lame attempt to amend the affidavit or something by introducing excessively huge documents.
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The common thing with all those who blindly support jubilee is:
1. They all uniformly reject rigging claims
2. They do so out of hand like the Pope rejecting Galileo's theory
3. Like the Pope, they refuse to look at the evidence
4. Like the Pope, they outlaw the evidence or tool to use to look at the evidence
5. They are proud of their ignorance and ridicule those who are less ignorant
They shot wide and wildly hoping to hit something from the Kencall servers to sijui what. Then they embarked on evidence gathering after making wild claims, and sat back praying that IEBC would do their job for them.
Now that we are working on memory, I recall the sampled retallying results favored neither, and were insignificantly different. I also recall a lame attempt to amend the affidavit or something by introducing excessively huge documents.
Bar talk is not evidence. We don't dismiss rigging claims, we just lack any evidence supporting them.
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Descrepancies and errors are expected - IEBC managed to explain every error identified by CORD - they were in fact fair errors that didn't benefit Uhuru - what SCOK refuse to entertain was late filling done as after-thought without even paying the requisite poll. However SCOK did order a retally of the ENTIRE presidential election - the form 35 or something - they also did order re-opening and re-examination of ballot boxes that CORD had identified - I remember one was in West Pokot.
CORD strategy was flawed. They thought if they just identified 8k errors - SCOK would rule on their favour. When Moses Kuria petition that invalid votes cannot possibly be counted was heard and determined - that 8K became a huge mountain - because uhuru 50% plus 1 increased to nearly 100K past the mark.
I remember the retally ordered by Njoki Ndung'u in the 2013 SCOK case already showed a discrepancy of about 7/8,000 (pluses for Uhuru and minuses for Raila) in about something like just 1% of the polling station forms. Which is why I find it puzzling that anyone can claim that the case was decided on the basis of "no evidence". Thats just not true. Almost all the rulings amounted to "no time" to properly consider evidence. It was all technicalities. And even the poorly written judgment issued later made that pretty clear. Bottom line, IEBC couldnt be compelled to produce stuff only it had access to and besides there was not much time for bla bla bla.
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