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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Omollo on June 28, 2017, 02:31:00 AM
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She has more citizens working in the EU than there are EU citizens on her territories.
I think they need a kick in the ass to wake up. Brits are extremely sensitive. Meet them at border crossings and the misers will be complaining about visa fees, delays and all that. So when they leave the EU and have to enter europe like Albanians, I will be pleased to listen to their complaints.
Farmers in Wales and England receive huge amounts in subsidies from the EU so that they would not keep too many sheep to destroy prices and the land. There is fraud like nowhere. The misers think the British government will take over those payments, yet it cannot give pensioners a rise or resist taxing their meagre income.
Britain is a land of cuts. Cuts are fashionable because everyone thinks he is spending too much of loafers. Even the loafers themselves think so! American in microcosm. Land of misers. EU shall sigh with relief when the whole lot is gone.
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I don't see it - it's a lose-lose scenario - and they have to make it win-win by ensuring a consensual breakup. Brits are a key member with economic levers - it's hard to see how EU will replace London financial hub, etc, given EU hardly controls the world anymore. The trade imbalance tells you something - EU would lose more if they do what you suggest. The UK nation has efficient foreign strategy than the consensus-driven union - and will do better better in trade deals with emerging markets. I think that is the hidden motivation, the immigration and welfare are domestics to be squared out locally.
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Welfare has to be balanced carefully with merit to avoid freeloading. There is a reason socialism is unpopular and is yet to model success anywhere. Places like Finland have universal cash pay... cause everyone works. The Swiss recently voted to reject that. Not surprisingly the Swiss are only one-foot in the EU - that's what the UK is asking for.
Omollo lives in liberal utopia.
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Asa Bennett James Kirkup
10 MARCH 2017 • 11:57AM
Britain forks out a lot of money to be part of the European Union but the numbers are confusing. Here's all the facts about how much we currently give to the EU, and 10 things that the membership fee could pay for instead.
How much does Britain pay to the EU?
In 2015, the UK’s full membership fee was £17.8 billion. However, Britain doesn’t pay that full fee. Because of a deal negotiated by Margaret Thatcher in 1984, Britain gets a “rebate”, an annual reduction in contributions.
In 2015, that rebate reduced our contribution to £12.9 billion. That’s around £200 for every person in the UK.
For context, that is more than the annual budget of the Home Office, which spends about £9 billion a year. It’s around a tenth of the budget for the NHS in England. It’s also enough to reduce the basic rate of income tax by 3p in the pound.
Brexit Infographic showing FTSE & Pound
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How much is that a day?
£12.9 billion is around £35 million a day. That’s less than the £55 million-a-day figure that a lot of people who campaigned to leave the EU cite.
That’s because the £55 million figure is based on the EU contribution before the rebate is applied. Brexit campaigners used the phrase “£55 million is sent to the EU every day” to suggest that the gross sum is paid to Brussels before a portion is sent back to the UK.
In fact, the rebate is effectively deducted at source, and so not actually sent to the EU at all. Using the post-rebate figure, it’s more accurate to say the UK sends £35 million a day to the EU.
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British farmers get money from the EU in the form of the Common Agricultural Policy (CAP). CREDIT: AFP/GETTY
What do we currently get back?
Some of our contribution comes back to the UK in the form of subsidies and grants. British farmers get money from the Common Agricultural Policy and various economic development and scientific research projects get EU cash.
The Treasury says total EU payments to British public were £4.4 billion in 2015. Payments to private organisations were worth another £1.4 billion in 2013 (the most recent year on record.) That suggests we get back almost £6 billion a year.
EU supporters said in the run-up to the June 2016 referendum that shows how valuable membership is to Britain. Brexiteers argued that outside the EU, the Government would still be able to spend that money in EU, quite possibly more effectively too.
Anything else?
Almost £1 billion of British money given to the EU is spend on international aid. That spending is counted towards the UK Government’s target of spending 0.7 per cent of Gross Domestic Product on aid.
In other words, it’s money the UK would have to spend anyway outside the EU, for as long as the Government remained committed to the aid target.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/how-much-do-we-spend-on-the-eu-and-what-else-could-it-pay-for/
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Total payments - €117.5bn
In 2007, five countries - Germany, France, Italy, the UK, and Spain - contributed nearly half of the budget.
In fact, Germany alone - Europe's largest economy - paid more than the 19 lowest-paying member states combined.
Each country's payment is divided into three parts: a fixed percentage of gross national income (GNI), customs duties collected on behalf of the EU (known as "traditional own resources") and a percentage of VAT income.
The GNI-based contribution is the largest part of each country's payment and is set each year by the EU to balance the budget.
There is one other important part of the revenue calculations: the UK rebate, which returns to the UK two-thirds of its payments.
This rebate is paid for by the other 26 countries as a fixed amount of their gross national income.
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None of you guys I reckon are Brits or EU citizen - why are you so worried or bothered about this.Let the great people of UK & EU decide their destiny..without Omollo hate..eti misers.
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Small detail... as you can see the net contribution is more. The UK has been in decline and wants free of union shackles to chart her path. International relations can be maintained with EU along with everyone. There is sour grapes about "uplifting" lazy Poles and East Europeans but the main beef is self-reflection to rejuvenate? That sounds reasonable to me.
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Like I said waende salama. Mungo awabariki
WSmall detail... as you can see the net contribution is more. The UK has been in decline and wants free of union shackles to chart her path. International relations can be maintained with EU along with everyone. There is sour grapes about "uplifting" lazy Poles and East Europeans but the main beef is self-reflection to rejuvenate? That sounds reasonable to me.
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I believe most folks here are diasporites - doucitizens who spend more time out than in Kenya
None of you guys I reckon are Brits or EU citizen - why are you so worried or bothered about this.Let the great people of UK & EU decide their destiny..without Omollo hate..eti misers.