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Title: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: patel on May 08, 2017, 06:00:27 AM
been monitoring this issue among friends as well as on social media and i could not help but notice Jubilee supporters resistance to this issue of rent reduction
why would anyone be opposed to such a noble idea? is it because its impossible to implement rent reduction or because of the person who suggested it?


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Can Raila Bring Down The Cost Of Rent As He Claimed On TV?

By Cyprian Nyakundi - 
May 5, 2017

There are more tenants than landlords. Obviously when Raila addresses tenants, he’s talking directly to voters.

Prices of rent and real-estate in Nairobi are ridiculous, compared to economies like South Africa, which has better roads and social amenities, and yet property and rents are a fifth of what Kenyans pay, in a country with dilapidated roads, insecurity and no playgrounds.

Only a few companies in Kenya manipulate the rents. The key companies are Hass Consult, Knight Frank, Cytonn Investments and the likes. They release fictitious reports citing trumped-up statistics claiming of a “boom” in the real-estate and construction industry.

These companies are conduits for laundering money embezzled by cabinet secretaries and Governors, who are currently the people diverting resources meant to build our social amenities, to real-estate.

Through these quarterly “reports” fed to the media as unvarnished truth, hype was generated on false statistics of an emerging housing boom.

Fact: The CEO of ACTIS recently claimed that they conducted their feasibility studies by flying over residential areas and counting the number of Satellite dishes. Koome Gikunda, a director of Actis, the private-equity firm that built Garden City, shared with the Economist of a unique way they determined that their catchment area was populated with “a middle class affluent enough to shop at the mall.” “We hired a firm who flew over the area in a plane and literally counted TV satellite dishes,” he explained.

Surely, is that a logical of conducting a feasibility study and revealing findings in a report which is then treated as Gospel by mainstream media, which in-turn manipulates the prices of land, real-estate and rent?

Raila Odinga NASA flag-bearer pledged to bring down the cost of rent within 100 days of assuming office yesterday during a TV interview on Citizen. All presidents are judged by performances of their first 100 days, so while for him it may be a mere political statement, the fact is that Kenyans took note of it.

Indeed, the quickest way to crackdown of runaway and fictitious rent prices in Nairobi, is just to immediately call for an international audit on Hass Consult, Knight Frank, Cytonn Investments, ACTIS, on the source of their money. They use proceeds of crime to launder money through Real-estate.

Failure to achieve this particular objective of reducing rents within the timeframe he pledged, will only make the public more restless from the pile-up of historical injustices, leading to the widely estimated street-revolution in 2021. Because young Kenyans have continued to be marginalised from nation building due to lack of opportunities, despite their education.

We are just preparing him to avoid sideshows upon assuming office like these arsewipes Uhuru and Ruto, who spent the better part of their tenure doing nothing apart from insulting Raila, as if that was bringing food to the table. Kenyans are done with such boring politics. We will pack your meetings, cheer your bullshit, but on voting day, us young Kenyans will consciously depart from the ways of our Elders who were held back by stone-age reasoning of tribalism and stupidity.

Ask Kabogo. He publicly claimed that he will circumcise Raila Odinga. The crowd’s cheered, and then went home to no electricity, water and food. Then suddenly it hit them, that Raila is not the one who was embezzling their money; it was Uhuru and his proxy Kabogo. And from then on, it became clear that politics of sideshows and insults has no place in the future of Kenya.

Where is Kabogo now? Did his sensational claim to circumcise Raila save him from electoral-defeat?

Young Kenyans are extremely woke. They are not like the idiots over 40 years old, who got carried away by silly politics of tribe. They successfully staged one of the biggest strikes in Kenyan history; the recent Doctor’s strike. The idiots over 40 before them could only run to countries like Botswana to seek refuge and asylum when Moi ruined the country.

Raila is the next President of the Republic of Kenya. Take that to the bank. What he does within his first 100-days, will determine if his tenure will come to a logical conclusion without a street-revolution.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 08, 2017, 09:05:03 AM
Free market economy is more crucial than Raila nyef nyef; Let Raila and Kidero build cheap housing for the poor - in places like Eastland and Kibera - otherwise this is just lying to urban poor while alarming the mostly kikuyu landlords.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: hk on May 08, 2017, 11:15:18 AM
Free market economy is more crucial than Raila nyef nyef; Let Raila and Kidero build cheap housing for the poor - in places like Eastland and Kibera - otherwise this is just lying to urban poor while alarming the mostly kikuyu landlords.
This is one of the reasons why Raila or Nasa can't make inroads in kiuk dominated areas. Most kiuks even the poor ones aspire to be landlords and the idea of controlling rents yet the cost of constructing or acquiring land isn't controlled scares every investor.  That announcement and wetangula diatribe about central province is being used to motivate kiuks to vote against Nasa.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Nefertiti on May 08, 2017, 12:03:08 PM
These are ideological differences between our political movements. The poor would vote for Raila if they knew what is good for them.

ODM/NASA - economic and social liberals who like social "safety nets" for the vulnerable, same as the western Left
Jubilee - center-right pro-business/free market coalition. The Ruto wing is socially conservative: recall the anti-abortion, anti-gay, family values URP

Of course tribalism blinds everyone and we are left with rich and poor folks scoring against themselves.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Georgesoros on May 08, 2017, 02:55:03 PM
These are ideological differences between our political movements. The poor would vote for Raila if they knew what is good for them.

ODM/NASA - economic and social liberals who like social "safety nets" for the vulnerable, same as the western Left
Jubilee - center-right pro-business/free market coalition. The Ruto wing is socially conservative: recall the anti-abortion, anti-gay, family values URP

Of course tribalism blinds everyone and we are left with rich and poor folks scoring against themselves.


Free market economy only breeds greed and greedy. Look at USA!!! and healthcare.
What ever happened to govt investment in housing???

Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Omollo on May 08, 2017, 03:24:14 PM
Free market economy is more crucial than Raila nyef nyef; Let Raila and Kidero build cheap housing for the poor - in places like Eastland and Kibera - otherwise this is just lying to urban poor while alarming the mostly kikuyu landlords.
Why does the government control the price of petroleum?
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Omollo on May 08, 2017, 03:34:48 PM
I take this to be your personal subjective opinion. You are not (to the best of my knowledge) an elected representative of the Kikuyu nor have you ever been appointed their spokesman.

That said, the propaganda that Kikuyus are idiosyncratic and not at all conformal to the problems and challenges of other Kenyans remains a rumor peddled by the Kikuyu intelligentsia. Poor people all over the country want lower living costs including rent.


Rents reduction is not and will never be one of the reasons Raila receives few votes in Kikuyuland. Kikuyu tribal voting trends have a different explanation. One which I would be more than willing to discuss with you.

If what you say is true explain why Ngilu, Musyoka, Mudavadi got such lousy votes in Central? Were they advocating for controlled rent?

Lastly familiarize yourself with the laws that protect tenants:  Rent Restriction Act Cap 296 then next time you meet Kikuyus, tell them their plans to be landlords will demand they comply with that.

This is one of the reasons why Raila or Nasa can't make inroads in kiuk dominated areas. Most kiuks even the poor ones aspire to be landlords and the idea of controlling rents yet the cost of constructing or acquiring land isn't controlled scares every investor.  That announcement and wetangula diatribe about central province is being used to motivate kiuks to vote against Nasa.
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Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: hk on May 09, 2017, 09:33:42 AM
I could be wrong, but I believe the law also stipulates that controlled rent are those of 2500 and below. Even in most slums rent is 3k. Rent of 2500 above isn't controlled and the landlord can raise rent depending on the lease since its a contractual agreement. The law can control increment but can't force landlords to arbitrary lower rent, from my understanding I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2017, 09:37:39 AM
This old law that need to be repealed. We are liberalized free market economy. It probably why there is no serious investment in lower segment housing.
I could be wrong, but I believe the law also stipulates that controlled rent are those of 2500 and below. Even in most slums rent is 3k. Rent of 2500 above isn't controlled and the landlord can raise rent depending on the lease since its a contractual agreement. The law can control increment but can't force landlords to arbitrary lower rent, from my understanding I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Omollo on May 09, 2017, 10:37:36 AM
I could be wrong, but I believe the law also stipulates that controlled rent are those of 2500 and below. Even in most slums rent is 3k. Rent of 2500 above isn't controlled and the landlord can raise rent depending on the lease since its a contractual agreement. The law can control increment but can't force landlords to arbitrary lower rent, from my understanding I could be wrong.
Your understanding is wrong. Simply put
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Omollo on May 09, 2017, 10:57:22 AM
Pundit

There you go again unable to see the forest because of the trees! I asked you why are there price controls on petroleum? What reasons were cited that would be different from the same happening to rents? Where was economist HK? Is that not impacting on "investment"? Merchants of double standards!

Again make your point clear so at least I can know how to approach laws I consider "old and need[ing] to be repealed".

The law exists. I cited it because here and elsewhere Jubilee propagandists, supporters, sympathisers and apologists are busy questioning how Raila would deliver on the undertakings on rent and general cost of living costs that are catastrophic.

I have pointed out some of the many tools put in place and used by successive governments since 1959 to tame greedy landlords as well as protect them. It is an instrument used under Kenyatta, Moi and Kibaki. I dare point out that it was there and being used when Uhuru was named Minister for Local Government by Moi in 2001 until January 2003 and again 2008 - 2013 - making him serve in Government LONGER than Raila Odinga!

It is amazing that he and Ruto (Minister in the Office of the President by President Daniel arap Moi in January 1998 - 2003; Minister for Agriculture - 17 April 2008 – 21 April 2010; Minister for Higher Education - 21 April 2010 – 19 October 2010; Deputy President - 2013 - 2018) are unaware of the instruments available to them to control rents and save tenants and landlords.
This old law that need to be repealed. We are liberalized free market economy. It probably why there is no serious investment in lower segment housing.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2017, 01:11:44 PM
If there is monopoly or oligopoly like in downstream oil sector then price controls are welcomed. The regulation by so called rent tribunal are plain rubbish. I know of several cases of people living illegaly in other people house after running to such tribunals.

It need to be repealed. Once you allow free market in the lower housing; the market will provide housing for any prices.

Pundit

There you go again unable to see the forest because of the trees! I asked you why are there price controls on petroleum? What reasons were cited that would be different from the same happening to rents? Where was economist HK? Is that not impacting on "investment"? Merchants of double standards!

Again make your point clear so at least I can know how to approach laws I consider "old and need[ing] to be repealed".

The law exists. I cited it because here and elsewhere Jubilee propagandists, supporters, sympathisers and apologists are busy questioning how Raila would deliver on the undertakings on rent and general cost of living costs that are catastrophic.

I have pointed out some of the many tools put in place and used by successive governments since 1959 to tame greedy landlords as well as protect them. It is an instrument used under Kenyatta, Moi and Kibaki. I dare point out that it was there and being used when Uhuru was named Minister for Local Government by Moi in 2001 until January 2003 and again 2008 - 2013 - making him serve in Government LONGER than Raila Odinga!

It is amazing that he and Ruto (Minister in the Office of the President by President Daniel arap Moi in January 1998 - 2003; Minister for Agriculture - 17 April 2008 – 21 April 2010; Minister for Higher Education - 21 April 2010 – 19 October 2010; Deputy President - 2013 - 2018) are unaware of the instruments available to them to control rents and save tenants and landlords.
This old law that need to be repealed. We are liberalized free market economy. It probably why there is no serious investment in lower segment housing.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Georgesoros on May 09, 2017, 01:12:17 PM
No country in the world, that wants to progress, espouses to a free market economy. The most advanced economies - Sweeden et al, have lots of controls to check on greed. Humans are born to be greedy and it is the reason we have some of the most expensive real estate in Kenya.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 09, 2017, 01:26:38 PM
The USA? Free market - curb greed - it just that it not possible to have completely free market - so gov has to regulate - to ensure everyone is playing by the rules.
No country in the world, that wants to progress, espouses to a free market economy. The most advanced economies - Sweeden et al, have lots of controls to check on greed. Humans are born to be greedy and it is the reason we have some of the most expensive real estate in Kenya.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Omollo on May 09, 2017, 04:41:41 PM
Pundit

Clearly you are no fan of this law. I am sure you are not alone. If I go by what HK wrote, "Kikuyus" would definitely not welcome that law. From my own experience I know many landlords who hate the law. When I owned some houses and was a landlord I too got irritated by the law until I sold some and gave away the rest as sadaka. I think I felt great relief perhaps similar to what Tax Collectors who came to Jesus to repent felt!

The fact that I sold some made me feel a bit like Ananias. I placed my personal interests ahead of my humanity! I had to make serious sacrifices.

I urge you reconnect with your humanity and stop fighting laws that mildly help the poor!

Anyway worry not because Raila will take power in August and as he promised will bring down the rent within 90 days.

I am sure HK and "Kikuyus" fear that they will be lynched or some such thing. No. Standard rents will be assessed and established and landlords granted incentives such as waiving the huge taxes which they pass on to tenants.

I am sure "Kikuyus" and HK will be happy to be released from the tax burden by Raila Odinga. A tax burden imposed by Uhuru Kenyatta to collect money which is then wasted in corruption.


If there is monopoly or oligopoly like in downstream oil sector then price controls are welcomed. The regulation by so called rent tribunal are plain rubbish. I know of several cases of people living illegaly in other people house after running to such tribunals.

It need to be repealed. Once you allow free market in the lower housing; the market will provide housing for any prices.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Kichwa on May 09, 2017, 06:30:27 PM
Jubilee has no plan at all to deal with rents going off the roof and making life miserable for thousands of urban dwellers.  The government's job is to solve problems and NOT to out-source peoples problems to the forces of free market .  There are short term, Mid term and long term solutions to tackle urban low income housing problems and rent control is short term measures that has been used elsewhere. The government cannot sit around and lecture people about free market forces when they homeless, hungry and cannot afford to sustain life.

The USA? Free market - curb greed - it just that it not possible to have completely free market - so gov has to regulate - to ensure everyone is playing by the rules.
No country in the world, that wants to progress, espouses to a free market economy. The most advanced economies - Sweeden et al, have lots of controls to check on greed. Humans are born to be greedy and it is the reason we have some of the most expensive real estate in Kenya.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Kichwa on May 09, 2017, 06:31:54 PM
Most kikuyus are tenants and not landlords.

Pundit

Clearly you are no fan of this law. I am sure you are not alone. If I go by what HK wrote, "Kikuyus" would definitely not welcome that law. From my own experience I know many landlords who hate the law. When I owned some houses and was a landlord I too got irritated by the law until I sold some and gave away the rest as sadaka. I think I felt great relief perhaps similar to what Tax Collectors who came to Jesus to repent felt!

The fact that I sold some made me feel a bit like Ananias. I placed my personal interests ahead of my humanity! I had to make serious sacrifices.

I urge you reconnect with your humanity and stop fighting laws that mildly help the poor!

Anyway worry not because Raila will take power in August and as he promised will bring down the rent within 90 days.

I am sure HK and "Kikuyus" fear that they will be lynched or some such thing. No. Standard rents will be assessed and established and landlords granted incentives such as waiving the huge taxes which they pass on to tenants.

I am sure "Kikuyus" and HK will be happy to be released from the tax burden by Raila Odinga. A tax burden imposed by Uhuru Kenyatta to collect money which is then wasted in corruption.


If there is monopoly or oligopoly like in downstream oil sector then price controls are welcomed. The regulation by so called rent tribunal are plain rubbish. I know of several cases of people living illegaly in other people house after running to such tribunals.

It need to be repealed. Once you allow free market in the lower housing; the market will provide housing for any prices.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Georgesoros on May 09, 2017, 06:35:38 PM
Rather most kikuyu are like other Kenyans - live in slums.
Yes if the govt does not address housing issues early on, they'll have to hire more police to address the social evils or poverty.


Most kikuyus are tenants and not landlords.

Pundit

Clearly you are no fan of this law. I am sure you are not alone. If I go by what HK wrote, "Kikuyus" would definitely not welcome that law. From my own experience I know many landlords who hate the law. When I owned some houses and was a landlord I too got irritated by the law until I sold some and gave away the rest as sadaka. I think I felt great relief perhaps similar to what Tax Collectors who came to Jesus to repent felt!

The fact that I sold some made me feel a bit like Ananias. I placed my personal interests ahead of my humanity! I had to make serious sacrifices.

I urge you reconnect with your humanity and stop fighting laws that mildly help the poor!

Anyway worry not because Raila will take power in August and as he promised will bring down the rent within 90 days.

I am sure HK and "Kikuyus" fear that they will be lynched or some such thing. No. Standard rents will be assessed and established and landlords granted incentives such as waiving the huge taxes which they pass on to tenants.

I am sure "Kikuyus" and HK will be happy to be released from the tax burden by Raila Odinga. A tax burden imposed by Uhuru Kenyatta to collect money which is then wasted in corruption.


If there is monopoly or oligopoly like in downstream oil sector then price controls are welcomed. The regulation by so called rent tribunal are plain rubbish. I know of several cases of people living illegaly in other people house after running to such tribunals.

It need to be repealed. Once you allow free market in the lower housing; the market will provide housing for any prices.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Omollo on May 09, 2017, 11:19:49 PM
Rather most kikuyu are like other Kenyans - live in slums.
Yes if the govt does not address housing issues early on, they'll have to hire more police to address the social evils or poverty.

I might as well attempt to set the record straight: I did not make that claim.

All over Kenya I see all Kenyans - Kikuyus included - very angry about the ditch in which Uhuru and Ruto have driven this country. One guy in a slum pulling all his worldly belongings behind him in a sack summed it all:

"I was pulling this sack when Uhuru came to power and four years later I am still pulling the sack while they tell me Raila is dangerous. This time I am not listening. I will vote for Raila even if just for change. I lose nothing by voting for him" (to summarize )

Somebody just keeps on repeating in their ear that they are getting the best and surely the others huko Ujaluoni are worse off! Many have hitherto swallowed it hook, liner and sinker!

Sadly many educated Kikuyus usually ascribe views and opinions to the Kikuyu peasants. They attempt to think for them and by and large carpet bomb them with propaganda through the vernacular radio stations so that the lies get a tincture of truth and tip the scales in the favor of the propagandists. Social Media cannot be ignored anymore. Messages are reaching the darkest corners to offer hope to the poor in the slums of Nyeri, those locked up in their own homes because of jiggers in Murang'a and the retarded young and old locked up in attics in Kiambu.

I am not one to celebrate Kenyan distempers that may receive more publicity than others (my record is clear) however the greatest illness that affects our Kikuyu brothers is the poison that their intelligentsia spray in the atmosphere;
in their adulterated brookside milk; poor quality "sugar" that when in hotels white men mistake it for cigarette ash sand; Counterfeit medicine; and in their dirty drinking water and expensive contaminated grain.

They feed them on a diet guaranteed to keep them docile as they wait for Muthamaki to fix everything and guard Uthamaki with their hate of Raila and any voice that contradicts the accepted message!

In no way do I mean this is unique to Kikuyus. Others too have more or less related poison being dished out and they wait for it! Ruto served special poison to the Kalenjin in 2007. Some of us celebrated because it suited us. Come 2013 and he altered the secret formula he inherited from Moi and the beneficiaries of the modified poison turned their anger in our direction. God only knows why it did not reach the 2007 levels. Perhaps it is true as Churchill told Kenya Colony: magnanimity can only grow from victory!

In 1997 a number of failed politicians receiving money from KANU over preached their message to the youth and witchdoctors at the Coast. The casualty figure remains unknown even if thanks to it, Tom Mboya's killer who was hiding there was found and disemboweled.

Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: hk on May 10, 2017, 09:03:26 AM
I could be wrong, but I believe the law also stipulates that controlled rent are those of 2500 and below. Even in most slums rent is 3k. Rent of 2500 above isn't controlled and the landlord can raise rent depending on the lease since its a contractual agreement. The law can control increment but can't force landlords to arbitrary lower rent, from my understanding I could be wrong.
Your understanding is wrong. Simply put
On the contrary, government doesn't have power to arbitrary reduce rent. What the government can control is the increment. No government official can come to my building and tell me what I should charge rent. If someone wants to address house shortage, they should start with giving titles to slumlords so that they can put up proper buildings with all the amenities. This will lead to  increased supply of available houses thus reducing rent.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: RV Pundit on May 10, 2017, 10:10:37 AM
precisely. Or gov can step in and building cheap mega cities like Angola or chinese have done...that would depress the rent increment. Any rent control will send wrong message to investment in the sector.
On the contrary, government doesn't have power to arbitrary reduce rent. What the government can control is the increment. No government official can come to my building and tell me what I should charge rent. If someone wants to address house shortage, they should start with giving titles to slumlords so that they can put up proper buildings with all the amenities. This will lead to  increased supply of available houses thus reducing rent.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Omollo on May 10, 2017, 04:00:27 PM
On the contrary, government doesn't have power to arbitrary reduce rent. What the government can control is the increment. No government official can come to my building and tell me what I should charge rent. If someone wants to address house shortage, they should start with giving titles to slumlords so that they can put up proper buildings with all the amenities. This will lead to  increased supply of available houses thus reducing rent.
HK

On the contrary to what? You seem to respond to your own imagination.

The issue of title deeds and ownership of land in the slums is in the courts thanks to mostly Mount Kenya land grabbers who successfully worked the Adhi House cartels to seize paper control of most of the slum land and are unwilling to let go of it. They used the same style employed in Greater Mathare etc in the 70s and 80s where upon seizing the land, would engineer fires or use the Nairobi City Council to bulldoze the poor off the land and put up the structures you are suggesting.

Unfortunately one does not steal land from the real owners even if he thinks he would put it to the best use. No less a person than Jomo Kenyatta made it clear with his parable of the Animals versus the Wild Animals.

Obviously you worship the private sector and believe that private capital is the answer to all the social problems. You are a proponent of promoting huge wealth upstairs and then letting some of it drip down - once overflowing up there - to the poor. So your solution to the housing problem inevitably and predictably follows that line of thinking.

I could waste my time quoting authorities that found that kind of thinking first wrong and later sick and now confirmed to be utter madness. Suffice is to say it does not work HK.

Housing is solved with direct government intervention. Simply put: The government must build houses for citizens. Once that is done, life is funny, the capitalists come in to engage in speculation and profit taking. But they cannot solve the housing problem! Never. There is no place on earth where the solution you preach has worked. Whether London or New York (Public Housing expanded under the new deal) it is the government that has historically taken measures to end housing shortages and other problems associated with it.

History shows that whenever private enterprise is left to solve the housing problem, it leads to high prices, slums and serious social problems. For the motive of private capital is never to solve the housing problem. NO and never! Their motive is to make money and solving the problem (meaning achieving adequate and sufficient housing for all) works against the profit driving factor and endangers the credit-worthiness.

Familiarize yourself with KENSUP which Raila Odinga put into action. He first negotiated it when he worked in the KANU government. It stalled and when he became minister for Housing resumed it and got HABITAT to sign and implement the project.

When you read it you will find out that it is Central Province so called "landlords" who put a stop to it. I will not state how to give you an incentive to educate yourself on the matter.

Like Kichwa stated, there are long and short term measures. Raila has outlined short term measures to tame run away high living costs. The NASA manifesto will outline long term measures which will invariably include public housing.
Title: Re: Why are Jubileeidiots opposed to rent reduction?
Post by: Omollo on May 10, 2017, 04:03:55 PM
Raila started KENSUP.

BTW nowhere have I said the government will dictate rent. That is a creation of HK with you intoning amen as you work yourself in to a frenzy

precisely. Or gov can step in and building cheap mega cities like Angola or chinese have done...that would depress the rent increment. Any rent control will send wrong message to investment in the sector.
On the contrary, government doesn't have power to arbitrary reduce rent. What the government can control is the increment. No government official can come to my building and tell me what I should charge rent. If someone wants to address house shortage, they should start with giving titles to slumlords so that they can put up proper buildings with all the amenities. This will lead to  increased supply of available houses thus reducing rent.