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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Omollo on April 15, 2017, 02:55:08 PM
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I will bring evidence in a few days. I fear by then it would have become public knowledge anyway.
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I will bring evidence in a few days. I fear by then it would have become public knowledge anyway.
Have you reflected on the implications of your claim? Right now he is one of the NASA "principals". If he is an Uhuru project, then:
(a) Also taking into account what happened in 2013, Raila has extremely poor judgment. Not a stellar recommendation for a guy selling himself as presidential material.
(b) Uhuru, on the other hand, is a very clever guy, if he has managed to embed his project right at the APEX of NASA. "Where else does he have his people?", one wonders.
You plan to "bring evidence in a few days" (thus making it public knowledge), but you fear that by then it will will have become public knowledge? Huh?
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MoonKi
I understand what you are saying. However there is so little damage Mudavadi can do that frankly I would ignore him if he somehow didn't have some power over Raila.
Out of the 400K votes he scored in his frivolous 2013 campaign, 380K came from Western. He got a fraction of the votes Raila scored in Western and almost lost Vihiga county. CORD got a majority of the MPs in Vihiga as well as MCAs.
Like Uhuru is building Joho by negative reinforcement : Raila is doing to Mudavadi but by opposite means. Had this man been left alone this election season, he would have perished politically. Unfortunately Uhuru has given him money and Raila a chance. He is a busy mouldwarp.
Just because he is planted in NASA does not mean Uhuru is a genius. He will fail. The demos he organized over the last week have already backfired on him.
You took it too literally. Let me rephrase: I believe by the time I get ready to lay the direct evidence his role as a mouldwarp would have long become public knowledge. There is already excessive circumstantial evidence like the placards and demos. But I will be providing specific information such as the registration numbers of the vehicles that delivered the placards and the link to the NIS and Jubilee
I will bring evidence in a few days. I fear by then it would have become public knowledge anyway.
Have you reflected on the implications of your claim? Right now he is one of the NASA "principals". If he is an Uhuru project, then:
(a) Also taking into account what happened in 2013, Raila has extremely poor judgment. Not a stellar recommendation for a guy selling himself as presidential material.
(b) Uhuru, on the other hand, is a very clever guy, if he has managed to embed his project right at the APEX of NASA. Where else does he have his people?, one wonders.
Oh, you plan to "bring evidence in a few days" (thus making it public knowledge), but you fear that by then it will will have become public knowledge? Huh?
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MoonKi
I understand what you are saying. However there is so little damage Mudavadi can do that frankly I would ignore him if he somehow didn't have some power over Raila.
You still aren't helping your man's case. If Mudavadi is untrustworthy but still has some power over Raila, what does that tell us about the latter? What other people have unexplained power over Raila? What would Raila be willing to do for them, if they exercise that power? Your man is a serious worry.
Raila is doing to Mudavadi but by opposite means. Had this man been left alone this election season, he would have perished politically.
And why is it important for Raila to save him from perishing politically?
Just because he is planted in NASA does not mean Uhuru is a genius.
True, but you have to admit he's done very well with his "placements", if your claim is true.
There is already excessive circumstantial evidence like the placards and demos. But I will be providing specific information such as the registration numbers of the vehicles that delivered the placards and the link to the NIS and Jubilee
You state that he is inconsequential in practical terms. So why go to all that trouble? What should we do with (or make of) your evidence when you provide it?
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I have no idea what it tells you about "The latter".
Raila is free to have his friends. We share a political party. Ordinarily I should not bother who his friends are. However when that friend uses his friendship to ruin the fortunes of the political party then his friend becomes my business.
You are free to conclude any way you wish. In fact I too believe government power with Mudavadi ndaani would be only mildly different from the current Jubilee mess. Therefore going public.
Note that I have previously clearly stated my position about Mudavadi. I predicted that Raila would bring him in: He did. I also stated that Mudavadi having entered would not resist to sell CORD. I am almost vindicated.
Please feel free to award Uhuru any grade you want. Mudavadi is being guided by the NIS. That is their job. They do it regardless of whether the president has no brains and is stoned 24/7
MoonKi
I understand what you are saying. However there is so little damage Mudavadi can do that frankly I would ignore him if he somehow didn't have some power over Raila.
You still aren't helping your man's case. If Mudavadi is untrustworthy but still has some power over Raila, what does that tell us about the latter? What other people have unexplained power over Raila? What would Raila be willing to do for them, if they exercise that power? Your man is a serious worry.
Raila is doing to Mudavadi but by opposite means. Had this man been left alone this election season, he would have perished politically.
And why is it important for Raila to save him from perishing politically?
Just because he is planted in NASA does not mean Uhuru is a genius.
True, but you have to admit he's done very well with his "placements", if your claim is true.
There is already excessive circumstantial evidence like the placards and demos. But I will be providing specific information such as the registration numbers of the vehicles that delivered the placards and the link to the NIS and Jubilee
You state that he is inconsequential in practical terms. So why go to all that trouble? What should we do with (or make of) your evidence when you provide it?
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I think if Raila does not pick up Messi, he causes real damage in Luhyaland outside Bungoma and Busia, as an independent. That is the whole of Kakamega. That is more than enough to hand the jubilant the trophy before the race officially begins. That is the evidence I have been seeing since he was crowned tribal leader a few months ago. I'd need to see more evidence to believe kamwana is behind all that. Given that all these politicians are buddies, it would take more than just a show of camaraderie to prove that.
Granted he is not going anywhere by himself, but he makes it hard for others, especially Raila, to go somewhere without him.
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If things don't go his way (i.e. a slot more formal than the amorphous "chief minister") it will emerge he has the NASA trademark in the bag... in his mind sending the opposition into a spin with 2012-like tantrums. I see it as a chess game, I don't agree Raila is so naive. He likely wants to squeeze the remaining credibility out of this political slut. The man has ANC as a bargaining chip... with zero MPs. His UDF dissolved into Jubilee :D :D I would vote in Maina Njenga the Mungiki for PORK before this moron.
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If things don't go his way (i.e. a slot more formal than the amorphous "chief minister") it will emerge he has the NASA trademark in the bag... in his mind sending the opposition into a spin with 2012-like tantrums. I see it as a chess game, I don't agree Raila is so naive. He likely wants to squeeze the remaining credibility out of this political slut. The man has ANC as a bargaining chip... with zero MPs. His UDF dissolved into Jubilee :D :D I would vote in Maina Njenga the Mungiki for PORK before this moron.
I don't believe that Raila is naive or that Mudavadi is Uhuru's mole; my first response was by way of exploring Omollo's destination on this one. (I still do not have the slightest clue.) To my mind, Terminator explains succinctly why Raila is working with Mudavadi.
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MOON Ki, like the Assassin stated once after Mudavadi bested his patience, the man needs a brain transplant.
MUDAVADI: I HAVE RAILA’S BACKING FOR NASA TICKET
Posted on Apr 15, 2017
NAHASHON MUSUNGU
Four years after claiming President Uhuru Kenyatta went back on a promise to support his presidential bid, Nasa co-principal Musalia Mudavadi now says opposition leader Raila Odinga has promised to back him this time round.
This is according to local daily, The Star, which has reported that Mudavadi, through his campaign official Godfrey Kanoti, also claimed that Odinga prefers Wiper Democratic Movement leader, Kalonzo Musyoka, as Musalia’s running mate.
It was because of that ticket arrangement that Mudavadi, who is the brainchild of Nasa, agreed to form the new coalition with ODM and other opposition parties.
AGREEMENT
“This was a gentleman’s agreement that we struck last year and we expect it will be honoured,” The Star quoted Kanoti.
Kanoti’s comments come amid raising tension within the coalition as to whom between Odinga, Musyoka, Mudavadi and Ford Kenya’s Moses Wetangula should be Nasa’s flag bearer.
Already, Musyoka’s Wiper party has indicated that it will pull out of the coalition if Musyoka doesn’t get the presidential ticket while Mudavadi’s supporters in Kakamega town recently put the coalition on notice, stating they would accept nothing less other than a Mudavadi candidature.
http://nairobinews.nation.co.ke/news/mudavadi-raila-backing-presidency/
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It appears the odm propaganda machine is out to force Mudamba out
(http://i.imgur.com/PEJiS3w.jpg)
:D :D :D
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This is Jubilee's work paid for by NIS. Hence you cannot identify any of the wearers. That is a silly attempt to divide Luhyas and Luos. It is childish.
It appears the odm propaganda machine is out to force Mudamba out
(http://i.imgur.com/PEJiS3w.jpg)
:D :D :D
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I have no idea what it tells you about "The latter".
Raila is free to have his friends. We share a political party. Ordinarily I should not bother who his friends are. However when that friend uses his friendship to ruin the fortunes of the political party then his friend becomes my business.
You are free to conclude any way you wish. In fact I too believe government power with Mudavadi ndaani would be only mildly different from the current Jubilee mess. Therefore going public.
Note that I have previously clearly stated my position about Mudavadi. I predicted that Raila would bring him in: He did. I also stated that Mudavadi having entered would not resist to sell CORD. I am almost vindicated.
Please feel free to award Uhuru any grade you want. Mudavadi is being guided by the NIS. That is their job. They do it regardless of whether the president has no brains and is stoned 24/7
I have no entry in this particular race. You, on the other hand, have been all over the place, touting what you claimed was one heck of a horse. And now, you tell us that it is fact a camel, with a most ungainly hump that you don't care for! I don't know what to make of it all.
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MOON Ki, like the Assassin stated once after Mudavadi bested his patience, the man needs a brain transplant.
I can't imagine what he has that appeals to people, but it appears that he always has at least enough "our people" to ensure that he won't be disappearing anytime soon.
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Refer to the votes Mudavadi got when he told Luhyas he would be the next president versus those Raila got. He lost in all the counties except Vihiga which he managed to secure by less than 10K votes against Raila.
His antics AFTER the elections annoyed many Luhyas. They expected him to support Raila during the petition having told them he was called mademons. Instead he was photographed with Uhuru (a photos the NIS spread widely even dishing out The Ethnic Rag for free). Mudavadi cannot win an MCA seat in Vihiga. He gets the support he appears to take credit fro by associating with Raila.
In fact he had been forgotten and ignored especialéy after he supported Uhuru during the Ugandan Sugar for Brookside Milk deal. The average person knows he gets paid to hold some of these controversial positions.
Where was he when teargas canisters were rolling as CORD demanded fairer election laws? He started by opposing then when he realized that everyone around him was supporting Raila, issued vague statements of support.
It would be a disaster to have a man who is corrupt and who remains blackmailed for his role in Goldenberg and Anglo-Leasing as President.
I never thought I'd say this but I would then prefer no change. The change of rapist makes no difference for the woman being ravished.
I think if Raila does not pick up Messi, he causes real damage in Luhyaland outside Bungoma and Busia, as an independent. That is the whole of Kakamega. That is more than enough to hand the jubilant the trophy before the race officially begins. That is the evidence I have been seeing since he was crowned tribal leader a few months ago. I'd need to see more evidence to believe kamwana is behind all that. Given that all these politicians are buddies, it would take more than just a show of camaraderie to prove that.
Granted he is not going anywhere by himself, but he makes it hard for others, especially Raila, to go somewhere without him.
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Why are you not seeing this man's activities and connecting the dots?
I don't believe that Raila is naive or that Mudavadi is Uhuru's mole; my first response was by way of exploring Omollo's destination on this one. (I still do not have the slightest clue.) To my mind, Terminator explains succinctly why Raila is working with Mudavadi.
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He has been passing information to Jubilee ... just like he did in 2007. He leaked the line-up the organized demos to fight it.
If things don't go his way (i.e. a slot more formal than the amorphous "chief minister") it will emerge he has the NASA trademark in the bag... in his mind sending the opposition into a spin with 2012-like tantrums. I see it as a chess game, I don't agree Raila is so naive. He likely wants to squeeze the remaining credibility out of this political slut. The man has ANC as a bargaining chip... with zero MPs. His UDF dissolved into Jubilee :D :D I would vote in Maina Njenga the Mungiki for PORK before this moron.
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There was no need to bring in Mudavadi. Oparanya had kakamega in the box while Wetangula would have brought in Bungoma. Busia and Vihiga are Raila areas. He only need to pay a visit to Vihiga bring his Maragoli wife and that would seal it.
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There was no need to bring in Mudavadi. Oparanya had kakamega in the box while Wetangula would have brought in Bungoma. Busia and Vihiga are Raila areas. He only need to pay a visit to Vihiga bring his Maragoli wife and that would seal it.
Mudavadi had to come in so that NASA can be created in order to kill CORD and the 2013 Kalonzo MOU
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Kalonzo has no problem with the repeat of the 2013 line-up. It's Jubilee trying to bring it up. Let's see how they will act it out when Ruto comes back in 2022 having promised Lusaka, Mvurya, Mung'aro and Kidero Deputy Presidentship. How will he deal with Kabogo, Munya, Kiunjuri and the Kenyatta Family?
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I'd worry more about kalonzo.I think rails will score well in luhya with or without raila. Madvd is fool who can easily fall anything
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Just note after all that Jubilee still win big.this is just for entertainment. Jubilee min is 53%.
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The worst Kalonzo can do is make a Lone Wolf Run. It would only damage Jubilee and lead to a runoff which would see even RV voting for opposition.
I'd worry more about kalonzo.I think rails will score well in luhya with or without raila. Madvd is fool who can easily fall anything
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IEBC needs to publish the voter numbers we see how the MOAS stand. I think Jubilee has lost its pre-2013 tyranny which occurred at registration. You think it will claw enough into swing and CORD areas to make up for this loss of tyranny and that is where we differ.
If am right and Jubilee loses tyranny the next big thing is NASA unity.
Just note after all that Jubilee still win big.this is just for entertainment. Jubilee min is 53%.
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If NASA breaks its game over. Jubilee wins.
The worst Kalonzo can do is make a Lone Wolf Run. It would only damage Jubilee and lead to a runoff which would see even RV voting for opposition.
I'd worry more about kalonzo.I think rails will score well in luhya with or without raila. Madvd is fool who can easily fall anything
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It depends on who leaves. If Mudavadi comes in at midnight and leaves just before dawn, means zero. He can't even take his family mongrel along with him.
If he becomes flagbearer I know Kalonzo will walk out.
When he came in KANU in 2002 we did a poll and advised that Moi gets someone from RV to deputize Uhuru or get Jirongo. Somehow they preferred the fellow. He likes being given things by people.
If NASA breaks its game over. Jubilee wins.
The worst Kalonzo can do is make a Lone Wolf Run. It would only damage Jubilee and lead to a runoff which would see even RV voting for opposition.
I'd worry more about kalonzo.I think rails will score well in luhya with or without raila. Madvd is fool who can easily fall anything
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Raila go away loser