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Title: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Omollo on January 30, 2017, 07:04:03 PM
There are many reasons being cited especially with neighboring countries snubbing her and voting for candidates from other regions. I am still trying find the detailed vote to see how countries voted.

Tanzania is confirmed to have NOT voted for her. There is a rumor that Uganda eventually failed to vote for her. That was expected after Kenya stabbed Specioza Kazibwe in the ribs by presenting Amina Mohammed.

Sudan voted for Chad which is natural with fellow Zaghawas being President and Foreign Minister.

There is talk of heavy bribes. I always wondered why Kenya thought they could bribe Idriss Debby who has the entire petro dollars at his disposal. It's a case of failing to understand the people you want to preach to.

Then the trip to South Africa. Did they read the various resolutions passed by ANC affiliates, SADC over who should succeed Nkosazana Zuma?
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Omollo on January 30, 2017, 07:05:27 PM
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In the past few month the Kenyan government has been on a charm offensive, spending a fortune traversing African countries to lobby for the election of its Foreign Minister Amina Mohamed to become the next AU commission chairperson. The vigorous campaign was informed by the tough odds against her. Many Kenyans have questioned the rational for the government to spend so much resources for her candidature. while speaking to Journalist recently Dr. Fred Matiangi the Cabinet Secretary of Education who led Aminas campaign team during the shuttle diplomacy explained that, However experts have been more open with the reasons of her candidature explaining that, this is a strategy by President Uhuru Kenyatta to try and grow his clout and influence across Africa so as he can push his personal interest like the call for mass withdrawal by African states from the ICC.

Business Chronicles spoke to experts and came up with the following reasons as to why Amina Mohamed will not succeed in her quest to succeed Dr Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma

Traditionally, the post has always rotated between Anglophone and Francophone countries. It is noteworthy that the outgoing head Dr. Dlamini-Zuma is an Anglophone from South Africa, and her predecessor was a Francophone Mr. Jean Ping from Gabon. So it is widely expected that within the AU circles that the French speaking candidates have a head-start on this factor. The other significant factor against Ms Amina is the fact that French speaking nations are very many compared to English speaking countries and this factor is further complicated by a well known fact that they always vote uniformly and in solidarity. Rarely do the francophone fragment in their voting. This factor is well exemplified in other spheres e.g. in continental football maters where their candidates and hosting rights are always determined by them unless where rotational is done.

Gender is also a factor that might limit her chances the outgoing leader is a woman and it may be argued that it is a time for Men this is again complicated with the fact that the other female candidate is also from and English speaking country. Ms. Pelonomi Venson-Moitoi – Botswana’s foreign minister. However her greatest challenger who is also viewed as a front runner by many is non other than Mr. Abdoulaye Bathily, a Former UN special envoy to Central African Republic and Senegalese environment minister. He boasts of an impressive CV in international relations and diplomacy just like Ms. Amina Mohamed.

One factor that factor that may seem insignificant might turn out to be an advantage or a disadvantage to her is her religion. It is admirable and quite uncommon to see a Muslim woman rise up to that level. This might make her appeal to some however, it might also be her greatest undoing due to the well documented fact that Muslim men and even women tend to be disdainful to women who are ambitious and dare to seek position of power and influence.
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Kichwa on January 30, 2017, 11:18:29 PM
Now Jubilee is blaming Raila for Amina's loss.  Ati Raila called the other African leaders  and told them not to vote for Amina.


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In the past few month the Kenyan government has been on a charm offensive, spending a fortune traversing African countries to lobby for the election of its Foreign Minister Amina Mohamed to become the next AU commission chairperson. The vigorous campaign was informed by the tough odds against her. Many Kenyans have questioned the rational for the government to spend so much resources for her candidature. while speaking to Journalist recently Dr. Fred Matiangi the Cabinet Secretary of Education who led Aminas campaign team during the shuttle diplomacy explained that, However experts have been more open with the reasons of her candidature explaining that, this is a strategy by President Uhuru Kenyatta to try and grow his clout and influence across Africa so as he can push his personal interest like the call for mass withdrawal by African states from the ICC.

Business Chronicles spoke to experts and came up with the following reasons as to why Amina Mohamed will not succeed in her quest to succeed Dr Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma

Traditionally, the post has always rotated between Anglophone and Francophone countries. It is noteworthy that the outgoing head Dr. Dlamini-Zuma is an Anglophone from South Africa, and her predecessor was a Francophone Mr. Jean Ping from Gabon. So it is widely expected that within the AU circles that the French speaking candidates have a head-start on this factor. The other significant factor against Ms Amina is the fact that French speaking nations are very many compared to English speaking countries and this factor is further complicated by a well known fact that they always vote uniformly and in solidarity. Rarely do the francophone fragment in their voting. This factor is well exemplified in other spheres e.g. in continental football maters where their candidates and hosting rights are always determined by them unless where rotational is done.

Gender is also a factor that might limit her chances the outgoing leader is a woman and it may be argued that it is a time for Men this is again complicated with the fact that the other female candidate is also from and English speaking country. Ms. Pelonomi Venson-Moitoi – Botswana’s foreign minister. However her greatest challenger who is also viewed as a front runner by many is non other than Mr. Abdoulaye Bathily, a Former UN special envoy to Central African Republic and Senegalese environment minister. He boasts of an impressive CV in international relations and diplomacy just like Ms. Amina Mohamed.

One factor that factor that may seem insignificant might turn out to be an advantage or a disadvantage to her is her religion. It is admirable and quite uncommon to see a Muslim woman rise up to that level. This might make her appeal to some however, it might also be her greatest undoing due to the well documented fact that Muslim men and even women tend to be disdainful to women who are ambitious and dare to seek position of power and influence.
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Omollo on January 31, 2017, 12:13:31 PM
The Ethnic Rag has launched a massive attack on sovereign nations that refused to bow to to the Jubilee bribes. They are particularly stung by Morocco.

Some things have to be done using a small bit of a brain. How do you go to another country to bribe people over there to support your own foreign minister while that very country is herself fronting her own foreign minister for the same position? Didn't they know that Chad is a Muslim country that would not vote for a woman just like that? Once Amina remained the only woman facing Mahamat, the fight was over.

It didn't help that Kiunjuri started dishing out bribes. He forgot that their man - Lee Ping - is no longer there to facilitate the bribes like he did when they were allowed to screen a tendentious anti-Raila video, paying delegates to watch. All because Raila had been named to lead peace talks in Ivory Coast?
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Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on January 31, 2017, 02:25:35 PM
The Jubilants didn't think they needed to put in serious work.  They overestimate Kenya's clout outside East Africa.
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Kadudu on January 31, 2017, 02:39:41 PM
Why only outside East Africa? Even our good neighbours Tz, Burundi, Rwanda, S. Sudan and Uganda abandoned Amina in the hour of need.

The Jubilants didn't think they needed to put in serious work.  They overestimate Kenya's clout outside East Africa.
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Kadame5 on January 31, 2017, 04:10:34 PM
She's unlucky. AU also ended up backing another African over her in the WTO position too (can't remember what it was) before she became Uhuru's Foreign secretary. I am glad the clout is small. Good news for those of us who don't want any Africans pulling out of ICC.
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Kichwa on January 31, 2017, 06:32:43 PM
The ouruto government is a government of lightweights.  Most African leaders rise to power after some kind of national achievement as opposed to ouruto who are here solely based on tribal numbers, stolen money, and stolen elections. The other African leaders do not relate to them. J  This is why the other African leaders have no respect for them. They view them as empty suits with no gravitas and wet behind the ears.  There is really no personal experience that Ruto or Ouru would tell to inspire anybody.  I am sure they do not even read or are capable of reading and discussing anything beyond the current news and gossip.
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Omollo on January 31, 2017, 09:39:59 PM
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Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Omollo on January 31, 2017, 10:03:27 PM
Double dealing works in Ruto and Gideon Moi's case not internationally

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Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Omollo on January 31, 2017, 10:08:14 PM
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Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Omollo on January 31, 2017, 10:19:08 PM
Never count count your chicks before they hatch
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Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Omollo on January 31, 2017, 10:35:48 PM
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Omollo on January 31, 2017, 10:39:01 PM
How did she get the UN job without French?  I said when she went for CS job that she will regret. The price to pay was too high for a few extra free corruption millions which she could eventually get if she stayed at her job. She thought it was the short cut to the UN Secretary General job.

Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Georgesoros on January 31, 2017, 11:20:29 PM
Sometimes you lose otehrs you win. Its a fact of life.
She should  take responsibility for being so vocal regarding ICC, and that's her downfall.
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Omollo on February 01, 2017, 12:00:05 AM
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 01, 2017, 12:21:01 AM
She thinks Kenya's neighbors should be re-evaluated.  Whatever the fuck that means.  How about withdrawing from AU Amina?

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Amina-mohamed-AU-commission-chairperson-election/1056-3794262-j92vdez/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Amina-mohamed-AU-commission-chairperson-election/1056-3794262-j92vdez/index.html)
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: MOON Ki on February 01, 2017, 03:34:49 AM
She thinks Kenya's neighbors should be re-evaluated.  Whatever the fuck that means.  How about withdrawing from AU Amina?

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Amina-mohamed-AU-commission-chairperson-election/1056-3794262-j92vdez/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Amina-mohamed-AU-commission-chairperson-election/1056-3794262-j92vdez/index.html)

It's "our man" mentality taken to the international stage.    Her view seems to be that East African nations should have supported her candidacy, because "she is from our area", regardless of any objective views that might favour the other candidate.     

Her emotional reaction is very interesting: “Are we seen as a friend or a threat?” are pretty much the same words she used i speech at the ICC ASP 2015, a speech that many found off-putting.     To the lady, if people don't support you or agree with your views, then it must be because they consider you an enemy or a threat.   Not quite what one would expect of a diplomat.  (Her boss too seems unable to put diplomacy and reality above crude emotion, as shown by his reaction to the UN's firing of an incompetent Kenyan in South Sudan, but in that case there is at least the excuse of poor advice from Mr. J. Walker.)

And then we have  comedians like Duale.   After all the endless talk of "Africans are fed up, mass withdrawal from ICC is coming, Kenya is leading the process, ... ", the man now claims that these proceedings were influenced by a few people  who support for the ICC!

The arrogance, insults, and other funny statements  coming from Amina, Duale, etc. only serve to confirm to those who voted against her that they were right.   Very unusual for this sort of thing, and some people/countries might not forget if this particular government comes up again at such high levels. 

Also,  part of what happened here is simply that Amina was misled, by "national arrogance", to aim too high.   Kenya has "traditionally" had a sense of "we are superior and know better" with respect to other East African nations.   When Uhuru and Ruto got Amina to "lead" other African countries into making all sorts of useless noises---there has been no mass withdrawal, and  the three announced "withdrawals" seem to have died quietly---the DDD (Dynamic Digital Duo) and their lady friend (LF) suddenly saw themselves as some sort of continental leaders ... a position from which the DDD could reward the LF for her "hard work" w.r.t. the ICC.   "Naturally", the wake-up slap did not go down too well.
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 01, 2017, 08:13:40 AM
Kudos to Amina for coming close and Kenya under Jubilee is starting to get it's foreign policy in place & throw it weight around. Kenya is largest non-mineral economy in Africa. It should make it count.

Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Omollo on February 01, 2017, 01:50:10 PM
Pundit

Exactly how is Jubilee FP "getting in place"?

Explain these:

Kudos to Amina for coming close and Kenya under Jubilee is starting to get it's foreign policy in place & throw it weight around. Kenya is largest non-mineral economy in Africa. It should make it count.
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: RV Pundit on February 01, 2017, 07:03:12 PM
Kenya defiantly electing icc indicted person as pork n deputy despite dire warnings was the watershed moment in our foreign policy.Having it two cases dropped further cemented that.From then the world started taking us seriusly.Nobody now know name of us or uk or german ambassador...totally irrelevant.We now stand tall in Africa.Previusly we have taken this swiss attitude...of island of peace without taking sides or any position.Amina came close...no kenyan has come this far.Our friends n foes dont know how to treat kenya emergence out of self imposed limbo.We need to match on and take our rightful place next.All east africa combined doesnt have what we have....we need to show it.Never before have we seen major powers visiting kenya...they know we now count.
Title: Re: Why Amina Mohammed Lost Despite Heavy Bribes
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on February 01, 2017, 09:20:35 PM
She thinks Kenya's neighbors should be re-evaluated.  Whatever the fuck that means.  How about withdrawing from AU Amina?

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Amina-mohamed-AU-commission-chairperson-election/1056-3794262-j92vdez/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Amina-mohamed-AU-commission-chairperson-election/1056-3794262-j92vdez/index.html)

It's "our man" mentality taken to the international stage.    Her view seems to be that East African nations should have supported her candidacy, because "she is from our area", regardless of any objective views that might favour the other candidate.     

Her emotional reaction is very interesting: “Are we seen as a friend or a threat?” are pretty much the same words she used i speech at the ICC ASP 2015, a speech that many found off-putting.     To the lady, if people don't support you or agree with your views, then it must be because they consider you an enemy or a threat.   Not quite what one would expect of a diplomat.  (Her boss too seems unable to put diplomacy and reality above crude emotion, as shown by his reaction to the UN's firing of an incompetent Kenyan in South Sudan, but in that case there is at least the excuse of poor advice from Mr. J. Walker.)

And then we have  comedians like Duale.   After all the endless talk of "Africans are fed up, mass withdrawal from ICC is coming, Kenya is leading the process, ... ", the man now claims that these proceedings were influenced by a few people  who support for the ICC!

The arrogance, insults, and other funny statements  coming from Amina, Duale, etc. only serve to confirm to those who voted against her that they were right.   Very unusual for this sort of thing, and some people/countries might not forget if this particular government comes up again at such high levels. 

Also,  part of what happened here is simply that Amina was misled, by "national arrogance", to aim too high.   Kenya has "traditionally" had a sense of "we are superior and know better" with respect to other East African nations.   When Uhuru and Ruto got Amina to "lead" other African countries into making all sorts of useless noises---there has been no mass withdrawal, and  the three announced "withdrawals" seem to have died quietly---the DDD (Dynamic Digital Duo) and their lady friend (LF) suddenly saw themselves as some sort of continental leaders ... a position from which the DDD could reward the LF for her "hard work" w.r.t. the ICC.   "Naturally", the wake-up slap did not go down too well.

The jubilant suffers from a Duning-Kruger effect but on the collective.  Amina is exhibit numero 1 or worst case numero 2 of this pathology.  Maybe they impose sanctions on TZ and Ug?