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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Omollo on December 22, 2016, 03:56:08 PM
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The Ethnic Rag can't resist fudging facts in favor of nyooba
Coalition for Reforms and Democracy (Cord) has called for street demos on January 4 to protest passing electoral laws.
Coalition principals Moses Wetang’ula, Kalonzo Musyoka and Raila Odinga also accused Jubilee of frustrating justice.
Earlier, MPs had passed all proposed changes to the elections Act amid protests from opposition legislators with Jubilee taking advantage of its numerical strength to have the laws passed..
They thus reinstated provisions for manual identification of voters and manual transmission of results in case the electronic system fails.
In May, this year, the Opposition called for street demos to remove IEBC commissioners from office which later turned violent with many people being killed.
The confrontations turned ugly with protesters clashing with police in different towns where the demos were held.
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I had a quick scan. It seems that there are a couple of areas not covered by the network. Why couldn't CORD negotiate for only these areas to be omitted from the digital requirement? Is it because they were too busy playing victim?
But by the time the amendments were being passed, ODM MPs were on their way to the High Court where the Coalition for Reforms and Democracy has filed a case challenging revision of the negotiated poll regulations.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Jubilee-MPs-pass-amendments-to-contentious-election-law/1064-3494766-r7iwecz/index.html
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There is no need negotiating with Jubilee. Actually the ban on manual voting and transmitting of votes was negotiated then when they realized they cannot win without stealing, they decided to reinstate manual voting and transmission. How do you negotiate with someone who is openly determined to steal the elections from you no matter what. CORD was left for dead in 2013 and they are NOT where they are today because they played nice. CORD should from now on play hard-ball all the way and let it be known that they will never participate in sham elections or accept stolen elections ever again. Let it rip if it has to.
I had a quick scan. It seems that there are a couple of areas not covered by the network. Why couldn't CORD negotiate for only these areas to be omitted from the digital requirement? Is it because they were too busy playing victim?
But by the time the amendments were being passed, ODM MPs were on their way to the High Court where the Coalition for Reforms and Democracy has filed a case challenging revision of the negotiated poll regulations.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Jubilee-MPs-pass-amendments-to-contentious-election-law/1064-3494766-r7iwecz/index.html
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Doesn't look good. It seem cord just want to stone-wall any progress towards free and fair election. If there are places without network - how will you electronically transmit or if there is network failure - what happens.
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Why is Jubilee the party soooo concerned about Nationwide network failures. There can be a technical solution that targets those few areas without network or when there is network failures in specific areas. How often do we have country wide network failures anyway. We only have them for sure during elections when ourutu are candidates. Rarely do we have problems with M-Pesa countrywide and yet we so sure that there will be "nationwide network failures" during the 2017 elections. Ouru steals the elections early in the day and that is why he needs this provision for manual voting in place so that he his "technicians" can bring the system down and stuff ballot boxes with fake voters already registered. The 2 million voters who only vote for president can only "vote" manually during a man made nationwide network failure and that is why Jubilee is taking this extraordinary steps to make sure this legislation is passed. If this was a genuine concern they would have easily debated the matter and found a negotiated solution with CORD.
Doesn't look good. It seem cord just want to stone-wall any progress towards free and fair election. If there are places without network - how will you electronically transmit or if there is network failure - what happens.
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what a bunch of retards!!!
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Why is Jubilee the party soooo concerned about Nationwide network failures. There can be a technical solution that targets those few areas without network or when there is network failures in specific areas. How often do we have country wide network failures anyway. We only have them for sure during elections when ourutu are candidates. Rarely do we have problems with M-Pesa countrywide and yet we so sure that there will be "nationwide network failures" during the 2017 elections. Ouru steals the elections early in the day and that is why he needs this provision for manual voting in place so that he his "technicians" can bring the system down and stuff ballot boxes with fake voters already registered. The 2 million voters who only vote for president can only "vote" manually during a man made nationwide network failure and that is why Jubilee is taking this extraordinary steps to make sure this legislation is passed. If this was a genuine concern they would have easily debated the matter and found a negotiated solution with CORD.
Doesn't look good. It seem cord just want to stone-wall any progress towards free and fair election. If there are places without network - how will you electronically transmit or if there is network failure - what happens.
But that is what I am saying Kichwa. It only becomes possible if CORD is in the house negotiating and not protesting in the streets or courts. They can even insist that if systems go down, we permit a certain delay to give them time to come back online. As it is, Jubilee has their way because they encountered no resistance where it mattered.
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Windy, they do not want to negotiate this matter. Remember that the rule they are now amending was negotiated. All issues pertaining to network failures were discussed. This is a red herring. There is not going to be any network failure issues which cannot be resolved and which requires this language to be inserted. Why are they anticipating a system wide network failure on that day unless they intend to create one? If there is a system wide failure that day then let us treat it the same way we would if there is a countrywide natural disaster by postponing the elections. How come they do not have a contingency for countrywide earthquake or flooding? They do not want this matter negotiated because this is what Ruto and Ouru relies upon to maintain power for the next 20 years.
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Termie
Who do you want CORD to negotiate with? And why should they renegotiate something they agreed upon less than three months ago?
The tyranny of numbers was not willing to negotiate.
On what Pundit has written: I think he is completely lost. Now that he thinks opening voting to theft is democracy and insisting on one-voter-one vote as verified scientifically amounts to opposing free and fair elections, I remove him for the list of objective persons.
One thing I keep reminding my friends in Central: They did this under Jomo Kenyatta. They mutilated the law and created an Emperor in all but name. Then the emperor they wanted died and one the did not want got the power. Moi would never have ascended to power in a multi-party democracy.
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Termie
Who do you want CORD to negotiate with? And why should they renegotiate something they agreed upon less than three months ago?
The tyranny of numbers was not willing to negotiate.
On what Pundit has written: I think he is completely lost. Now that he thinks opening voting to theft is democracy and insisting on one-voter-one vote as verified scientifically amounts to opposing free and fair elections, I remove him for the list of objective persons.
One thing I keep reminding my friends in Central: They did this under Jomo Kenyatta. They mutilated the law and created an Emperor in all but name. Then the emperor they wanted died and one the did not want got the power. Moi would never have ascended to power in a multi-party democracy.
I had no idea they had done this before. What did they agree on, in the event of system failure or some other outage?
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Termie, they agreed that there will be no manual voting/ transmission. Do you really believe that that the issue of network failure never came up at that time?. It did and manual voting and transmission was rejected because a system wide network failure signals sabotage/rigging in which case the solution is not manual voting but cancellation of elections right away. The issue can be negotiated only if Jubilee is willing to agree to remove giving IEBC the power to shift seamlessly from electronic voting to manual voting as soon as there is system failure. The chances of a system wide failure is similar to the chances of a countrywide natural disaster and should be treated similarly-cancel the elections right away.
Termie
Who do you want CORD to negotiate with? And why should they renegotiate something they agreed upon less than three months ago?
The tyranny of numbers was not willing to negotiate.
On what Pundit has written: I think he is completely lost. Now that he thinks opening voting to theft is democracy and insisting on one-voter-one vote as verified scientifically amounts to opposing free and fair elections, I remove him for the list of objective persons.
One thing I keep reminding my friends in Central: They did this under Jomo Kenyatta. They mutilated the law and created an Emperor in all but name. Then the emperor they wanted died and one the did not want got the power. Moi would never have ascended to power in a multi-party democracy.
I had no idea they had done this before. What did they agree on, in the event of system failure or some other outage?
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TOTAL COLLAPSE OF CONFIDENCE of uhuru government is happening..."Vita ya wenyewe kwa wenyewe" has began with Duale and Speaker of the house going at each other. Each blaming the other for bringing that "rigging election motion to parliament". Perfect opportunity for Kenyans to discuss at diner table how fraudulent this jubilee admin has been
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Rigging in rv..this is one of the constituencies where Iebc inflated figures to rig for Uhuru
REVEALED: HOW UHURUTO MANIPULATED 2013 RESULTS
Believe it or not! It was live on tv
TIATY CONSTITUENCY 2013 results
Total registered voters- 20,485
Total votes cast -17,926
Uhuru kenyatta- 51,574
Raila -1,652
An excess of 36,000 votes thus enabling Uhuru to surpass the 50%+1 threshold!
That is how Uhuru was declared 'winner' in 2013 by garnering 50.07% of the 12,330,028 presidential votes!
0.07% of 12,330,028 = 8,631 votes
Now you know why they were even ready to kill anyone opposing reverting voting back to Manual!
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Baseless propaganda.
Rigging in rv..this is one of the constituencies where Iebc inflated figures to rig for Uhuru
REVEALED: HOW UHURUTO MANIPULATED 2013 RESULTS
Believe it or not! It was live on tv
TIATY CONSTITUENCY 2013 results
Total registered voters- 20,485
Total votes cast -17,926
Uhuru kenyatta- 51,574
Raila -1,652
An excess of 36,000 votes thus enabling Uhuru to surpass the 50%+1 threshold!
That is how Uhuru was declared 'winner' in 2013 by garnering 50.07% of the 12,330,028 presidential votes!
0.07% of 12,330,028 = 8,631 votes
Now you know why they were even ready to kill anyone opposing reverting voting back to Manual!
SHARE WIDELY
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Baseless propaganda.
Rigging in rv..this is one of the constituencies where Iebc inflated figures to rig for Uhuru
REVEALED: HOW UHURUTO MANIPULATED 2013 RESULTS
Believe it or not! It was live on tv
TIATY CONSTITUENCY 2013 results
Total registered voters- 20,485
Total votes cast -17,926
Uhuru kenyatta- 51,574
Raila -1,652
An excess of 36,000 votes thus enabling Uhuru to surpass the 50%+1 threshold!
That is how Uhuru was declared 'winner' in 2013 by garnering 50.07% of the 12,330,028 presidential votes!
0.07% of 12,330,028 = 8,631 votes
Now you know why they were even ready to kill anyone opposing reverting voting back to Manual!
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hehehehe, they switched the 1 & 5, so instead of 15,574 the propaganda reads 51,574. The crazy thing is I'm seeing guys I consider intelligent and level headed sharing this online. Its sad that people just share what they see online without verifying
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Not all polling stations were scrutinized. The few that were looked at revealed glaring mistakes ALL favoring Uhuru Kenyatta. Now how do u think the remaining performed?
Did Pundit say he was an expert or authority on extrapolation? I guess this is not one of those things he would enjoy analyzing, is it?
The re-tally of the presidential results in 22 polling stations and the scrutiny of the Form 34’s and Form 36 ordered by the Supreme Court has shown that there were some discrepancies in the figures.
IEBC opposes video evidence on vote tallying gaps
The court had on Monday ordered scrutiny of all the Form 36 and Form 34 and re-tally of results in 22 polling stations.
The report presented to the court shows that there were polling stations with differing votes casts in Form 34 and the corresponding result in Form 36 while missing Form 34 of polling stations in 10 constituencies scrutinised.
“Out of the 22 polling stations, 5 polling stations had discrepancies regarding the number of votes cast as reflected in Form 34 and those reflected in Form 36,” states the report.
The team managed to scrutinise about 18,000 polling stations out of the 33,400 during the two day exercise.
However, commenting on the report electoral agency, President-elect Uhuru Kenyatta and his deputy William Ruto asked the court to give the discrepancies highlighted less weight.
Nani Mungai representing Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) and Katwa Kigen Ruto’s lead counsel said the discrepancies identified have been explained fully in their responses to the petitions.
“Scrutiny confirms some discrepancies, we have responded to those discrepancies in detail in our responses to the petition,” said Mungai.
On the missing Form 34, Mungai said all Forms were provided when IEBC was responding to the petitions voluntarily and the in the processes some may have been omitted. He said the fact that petitioners didn’t point out ommsion in their petition means they have been supplied with the copies.
But Kethi Kilonzo for African Centre for Open Governance (Africog) and George Oraro the lead counsel for Raila Odinga told the court the report confirms their position that no verification was done before announcement of the result.
“What we have seen confirm our position that 1st (IEBC) and 2nd (Isaack Hassan) didn’t verify the result as required before declaration,” said Kilonzo.
Form 34 and Form 36 shows the presidential results from polling stations and constituency aggregate respectively.
The five polling stations with discrepancies are Lomerimeri Nursery in Tiaty Constituency Baringo County, Nthambiro Primary school and Kabuito both in Igembe central constituency of Meru County. Other polling stations are Mugomoini primary school in Chuka Igamba Ngombe constituency and NCC social in Langata.
In Lomerimeri Nursery Form 34 shows votes cast as 67 while the entry in Form 36 declared at national tallying centre shows vote cast as 164.
Form 34 of Nthambiro Primary shows vote cast as 465 but Form 36 declared at Bomas show 558. Similarly Kabuito primary Form 34 entry shows vote cast 358 and Form 36 shows 558, a difference of 200.
Mugumoini Primary’s Form 36 shows 378 and Form 34 indicates 74 as votes cast. NCC Social Hall in Langata votes cast in Form 34 is 2694 but entry for vote cast in Form 36 is 3235.
Further the scrutiny revealed that there instances where there are more than one Form 36 for same constituencies and incomplete forms. For instance in Githunguri there are two Form 36 with different numbers of votes cast.
Mungai said the two forms is as a result of errors that was made in initial form by the constituency Returning officers and corrected at national tallying centre but made available for the sake of transparency.
Fred Ngatia appearing for Mr Kenyatta said the discrepancies are spread and seems clerical and does not show any mischief.
He said he suspects the Form 36 used for some of the polling stations with discrepancies on the vote cast was wrong ones. The Judgment will be delivered Saturday.
gfayo@ke.nationmedia.com
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Retally-by-court-show-discrepancies-in-vote-figures/539546-1733864-r18mpb/index.html
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People announced here with glee that the multimillion SGR would be ready be election time but somehow foresee prophetically that there will be network failures during election time. Why can't the digital government in partnership with Safaricon their boson buddy connect those problem areas to avoid network problems by election time?
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We all agree uhuru and Ruto want manual back up plan to rig the elections.
My greatest fear is after all opposition, mass actions and protest,Raila as usual will cave in and accept Jubilee proposal. ...
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Raila always sells out because he too trusting may be he needs to give negotiation powers to a hardliner or an egomaniac like Joho
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If Raila gives in to Jubilee manual back up whatever he should not cry when the election is stolen. There is enough time to lease mobile transmission vehicles and backup power generators to cover the whole country.
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People announced here with glee that the multimillion SGR would be ready be election time but somehow foresee prophetically that there will be network failures during election time. Why can't the digital government in partnership with Safaricon their boson buddy connect those problem areas to avoid network problems by election time?
Its not in their interest. The country has to suffer...
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exactly, why is manual voting the only solution for network failure? If you can foresee a problem, then you should be able to offer solution. System wide failure to some of us is a clear indication of sabotage and the only remedy is that the elections should be cancelled. If you are working in a bank and the lights suddenly go off, you should assume the worst and close down the bank right away instead of using flashlights and candles to continue serving the customers.
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What is Uhuru's or rather rutos end game on this plan? If I have never ever seen a pea brain type of abunuwasi quackery like the gimmick this regime is trying to work in terms of electoral laws..this guys article does justice in exposing and rebuking this regime
OF ILLUSTRIOUS DEMOCRACY AND JUBILEE GOVERNMENT BY WORST REPRESENTATIVES.
Uhuru Kenyatta who will go down in the annals of books of History, as the most inept Head of State is wasting no effort in trying to cling on to his already dwindling political mojo. He has impoverished tax payers with an alacrity. While leisurely making unnecessary round trips, rewarding his family members and sycophants, who revere him with the precision of a supreme deity. The self-absorbed narcissist and petulant man is using the political gesture of numbers he enjoys in the National Parliament to perpetuate himself. He is callous. He carries himself in the manner of a national icon of "global progress". He loathes free, fair and credible majoritarian electoral system, but at the same time insists that he will rule for two-five year terms then cede power to his other pea in a pod, William Ruto, for another ten years. Really! Kenya is not an oligarchy with traits of police state tendencies. Neither does the nexus of Kenya's political landscape dictate that; you scratch my back as I do too to yours.
DOES HE KNOW WHAT HE WANTS?
Uhuru Kenyatta instructs Tom Wolf, a dishonest caucasian and a marionette to Kenya's Executive incumbency powers, to "conduct" a skewed public opinion poll. As if not enough, that could not massage his bloated ego. Uhuru Kenyatta is a tribal and nepot overlord, a race baiting and nefarious tyrant masking himself off as a tribal healer and a nationalist by means of a warped philosophy of "We Are Together". When, he is deeply pocketed into his tribal hegemony of ethnic smug that has sabotaged the suppose to be nation's pristine, productive, and cohesive landscape. He has merely transformed the government into a penury stricken, Agikuyu political-elite compound. He has stripped off any vestige pertaining to political compromise, reason, probity and morality. In fact, the nature of Kenyan politics has become boring under Uhuru Kenyatta. No political verve, piquancy and flicker.
THE PARTIAL MEDIA AND BLIND CITIZEN SENTRY.
Uhuru Kenyatta is still protected by the mainstream media, even amongst the do-nothing - Jubilee citizen sentry. With nothing left to stand on, the progressive parasite is desperately trying to retain what's left of his withering dignity. His over inflated ego and grossly exaggerated "confidence" prevents him from gracefully bowing out to concede that, his one-five year term was in fact, a sediment of stired up waters of stolen polls, ballot stuffing and Supreme court's ruling under duress. And, nothing more.
WAKE UP CALL FROM DELUSION.
Uhuru Kenyatta must accept the fact that, there's someone ready to implement Bethuel Kiplagat's TJRC Report, there's someone ready to make Ann Waiguru, Josephine Kabura and Ben Gethi return the monies they whisked from the NYS treasury. He must know that, there's someone willing to investigate the source of William Ruto's extra zeros in his bank accounts including the rush growth of his assets. Above all, he must know that, there's someone willing to stand for all Kenyan communities despite the differences in ethnic, language and religious orientation. There's someone willing to show respect to the National treasury, ensure equality and Constitutionalism including the Rule of Law.
DESECRATION OF THE PRESIDENCY.
Mr. Uhuru Kenyatta has made a mockery out of the presidency and the nation's Constitution. He deserves disrespect for dishonouring our nation's exceptionalism. Yes, Professor Anyang' Nyong'o is right, all that Kenya needs is consociational democracy not these political quandary by the incompetent Jubilee regime, because we are by nature a divided nation along ethnic, language and religious orientation.
#AnOwinoHandwriting
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Can anybody break it down for me what exactly Jubilee means by systems breaking down? Is it a computer vurus DOS attack, submarine attack, theft of laptops, hacking (Russia style lol ;) or bludgeoning computers with a sledgehammer? If it is network challenges, Airtel has been giving Safaricon a run for its money by opening up remote areas in Kenya. In places where Safaricob is still catwalking, Airtel provides clear voice and data coverage as an alternative. Surely Jubilee can explain what they are planning to break down and break it so badly in time for elections that we just have no option to swallow their self-prescribed dose of a manual solution.
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DB
There are those who subscribe to the Jubilee argument here who I trust will pour lots of light on this. I am personally curious to hear from Jubilee ideologues like Pundit.
From my corner this is nothing short of an attempt to steal elections. In the last election we were told to believe that hundreds of thousands of people walked to polling stations to only vote for president. All of them voted for Uhuru. The figure keeps changing with the IEBC claiming they were just under 600,000. Check elsewhere to read Pundit stating the final Supreme Court Stipulated result to see the significance of the 600 000 votes.
Other measures Uhuru is taking to prepare for the theft include the acquisition of more trucks and anti-peaceful demonstration equipment and materials.
He recently stuffed the courts with judges picked by the NIS.
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I wish to add that Jubilee people have never really evolved to learn new election stealing methods. They rely on the good old vote stuffing method started by Kibaki in 2007. So any measure that would outlaw or make stuffing impossible or detectable cannot be allowed.
Can anybody break it down for me what exactly Jubilee means by systems breaking down? Is it a computer vurus DOS attack, submarine attack, theft of laptops, hacking (Russia style lol ;) or bludgeoning computers with a sledgehammer? If it is network challenges, Airtel has been giving Safaricon a run for its money by opening up remote areas in Kenya. In places where Safaricob is still catwalking, Airtel provides clear voice and data coverage as an alternative. Surely Jubilee can explain what they are planning to break down and break it so badly in time for elections that we just have no option to swallow their self-prescribed dose of a manual solution.
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Can anybody break it down for me what exactly Jubilee means by systems breaking down? Is it a computer vurus DOS attack, submarine attack, theft of laptops, hacking (Russia style lol ;) or bludgeoning computers with a sledgehammer? If it is network challenges, Airtel has been giving Safaricon a run for its money by opening up remote areas in Kenya. In places where Safaricob is still catwalking, Airtel provides clear voice and data coverage as an alternative. Surely Jubilee can explain what they are planning to break down and break it so badly in time for elections that we just have no option to swallow their self-prescribed dose of a manual solution.
DOS or hacking.. I was in Kenya during Supreme Court ruling of 2013. One of the prominent lawyers that represents a few of the oligarchs told me that the system failure was pre-planned so that Ballots there from Europe that had be flown in could be stuffed. Ignored this claim until RAO started claiming the same. Was there any reason given how the systems clashed in 2013.
The way to prevent this is to introduce a third party that would peel enough votes away from Jubilee to force a loss by huge margin or a runoff election
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HOW TO STOP DEAD VOTERS & ELECTION THIEVING.
The dead don't wake up, vote then return to their graves. We the living do it for them.We don't necessarily need biometric identification. Theft of votes is done right at that small class where we vote. That must be the focus point. Its a fact some voters are given two ballot papers for president in the party strongholds. If a party targets 5 extra ballot papers/votes in each class in a polling center with 30 classrooms, adds up to 150 stolen votes in one center alone. Forensic audits has exposed anomalies in figures in regard to presidential votes where you find some people only voted for president and left. Its a loophole created by IEBC policy makers and a few rotten staffs conniving with political parties. I also blame parliament for not seeing this lacuna. How to stop this theft :-
1. Manually identify and mark by crossing the name of the voter in the register, as is the case.
2. After voting is complete, DO NOT start sorting and counting votes straight away. Hapa ndio shida iko. You are basically covering up.
3. The manually marked register in that class MUST be presented and each marked name counted openly in front of observers and party agents to ascertain how many people living souls entered that particular class. That figure will be the denominator all cross the respective seats-president, Governor, Senator,MP, WR, MCA.
4. The counterfoils of the ballot books MUST be presented and counted openly in front of the observers and party agents. The numbers MUST match that of the manually marked voters who entered that class.
5. Empty all the presidential votes from the ballot boxes but DO NOT start the sorting of each individual's votes.
6. Count all the votes in that class for the presidential together before sorting them out. The total number of votes in that class must definitely match the MARKED NAMES in the register and the BALLOT COUNTERFOIL books. The denominator remains constant. The total number of votes, say for the presidential, cannot surpass the number of persons who physically entered that class to vote. It can be less but not more. If more, then some mischief happened. The IEBC officer in charge be given powers to nullify the results in that particular class.
If the denominator matches across all the votes cast then proceed with:-
7. SORT the votes as per each candidate.
8. Count the votes as per each candidate.
9. Party agents and those responsible sign the result forms to which they have thoroughly gone through and physically witnessed. END
Am very sure if this procedure, and any addition is put into law and strictly followed, theft of votes which begins in that small room, will be a thing in the past. Biometric identification is not a solution but another loophole in itself.
In a manual system, you leave a trail of hardcopy documents that can be relied for auditing or in a court of law in case the election is disputed. Wanjiku is not disfranchised in case the machine fails at the voting. Wanjiku is not interested in the tallying and transmission of votes but to vote, go home, and her right to choose be respected.
To CORD mps: Be sincere. We Trust and only Believe in God not machines. But if that's your case, then don't be enslaved and over reliant on machines because they fail at some point. Machine won't stop theft. You must have a reliable backup. A hardcopy backup is the best in our current situation. A manual backup to resort to when machines fails. Strength the manual system. You can help bring change by amending and passing it on to relevant authorities. #SHARED!
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To CORD mps: Be sincere. We Trust and only Believe in God not machines. But if that's your case, then don't be enslaved and over reliant on machines because they fail at some point. Machine won't stop theft. You must have a reliable backup. A hardcopy backup is the best in our current situation. A manual backup to resort to when machines fails. Strength the manual system. You can help bring change by amending and passing it on to relevant authorities. #SHARED!
During the last elections, I asked myself this question: "This is Kenya, so we can be sure that someone will work to steal victory. And logistical matters favour one side. What has CORD done to prepare for that possibility?". I could never see a real answer.
The other thing is that Kenyans, being the tribal sheep that they are, will vote in largely predictable patterns. Now, looking at the "starting" numbers, JAP is short by several millions. So CORD should focus on registering people and later ensuring that they show up to vote, on the basis that a theft by several million votes would near-impossible. I see little there. A question I have sometimes asked whenever Omollo posted photos of CORD throngs: does anyone know what proportion of such lots are even registered to vote? Never got an answer.
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Cord is a pony show for one Rao everyone does nothing but wait for raila to show up in town and hyperventilate about this and that. Cord has no strategy but to use raila as a hail Mary every damned time. Cord should stuff the ballots too and not negotiate from a point of weakness
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MoonKi
Let me borrow from choo.com and ask you to provide solutions instead of drowning everybody in criticism. Specifically what do you want CORD to do? ( I note that you have suggested voter registration again below).
During the last elections, I asked myself this question: "This is Kenya, so we can be sure that someone will work to steal victory. And logistical matters favour one side. What has CORD done to prepare for that possibility?". I could never see a real answer.
Lets start with what CORD has really done:
1. From being derided as a useless opposition that was sleeping on the job in 2013 - 14 CORD has not only risen to the occasion to offer massive opposition to the Uhuru Tribal Kleptocracy but is now the dominant force in Kenya supported by a majority of Kenyans;
2. CORD has defeated all attempts to cull its parliamentary strength through by elections forcing Uhuru Kenyatta to resort to blatant bribery of unprincipled individuals within our ranks;
3. CORD forced through the ejection of Jubilee stooges in the IEBC (despite your doubts and derision and mockery). Note that this was more of a punitive measure against Isaack Hassan than a belief that it who sit(s) at IEBC matter(s) - see 4 below
4. CORD forced through a raft of changes to the electoral law to guard against electoral fraud and specifically confine the 2 million dead voters in their graves on election day. So comprehensive was this that Uhuru Kenyatta upon realizing his dead voters are put out of action has embarked on a shameful exercise to revise those changes to allow vote stuffing
The other thing is that Kenyans, being the tribal sheep that they are, will vote in largely predictable patterns. Now, looking at the "starting" numbers, JAP is short by several millions. So CORD should focus on registering people and later ensuring that they show up to vote, on the basis that a theft by several million votes would near-impossible. I see little there. A question I have sometimes asked whenever Omollo posted photos of CORD throngs: does anyone know what proportion of such lots are even registered to vote? Never got an answer.
Most of all those with ID cards have registered to vote. However CORD areas are lagging behind JP areas when it comes to ID cards. JP resisted efforts to have the IEBC issue Biometric ID cards. CORD did not push the issue once it was realized that JP could abuse it.
However note the following:
i. CORD areas can still register more people than JP. Without proper systems (if JP succeeds in changing the law and refusing to pass regulations) IEBC would still transfer the voters names to JP areas, inflate numbers and then stuff ballot boxes like they did in 2013. There is no limit to the number of voters some NIS operative working in IEBC computer room can move in real time or by secretly programed script in the source code.
ii. Consequently CORD has a list of demands which must be included in the regulations to ensure cheating does not take place.
iii. Elections in Kenya since 2007 have never been decided by genuine voting. We are determined to change this come 2017
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MoonKi
Let me borrow from choo.com and ask you to provide solutions instead of drowning everybody in criticism. Specifically what do you want CORD to do?
Good question.
I note that you have suggested voter registration again below.
Excellent. Anything else?
3. CORD forced through the ejection of Jubilee stooges in the IEBC (despite your doubts and derision and mockery). Note that this was more of a punitive measure against Isaack Hassan than a belief that it who sit(s) at IEBC matter(s) - see 4 below
I did not mock or deride CORD. What I noted: (a) they started too late and (b) although the "stooges" were supposedly ejected months ago, they are still in office (as far as I know).
In the demonstrations against the IEBC, property was damaged, businesses were disrupted, people were injured, and (I believe) one person died. If all that was merely to "punish" Isaack Hassan, then there are serious problems with CORD and its leadership. (By the way, what is the exact nature of the punishment? Sending him home with a gunia full of cash? I'd love to be "punished" like that!)
Most of all those with ID cards have registered to vote.
That does answer the questions I asked.
i. CORD areas can still register more people than JP.
I more interested in what it has done and is doing, rather than what it can do. (My prediction is that in a few months CORD will be wailing about the number of supporters it has registered.)
Without proper systems (if JP succeeds in changing the law and refusing to pass regulations) IEBC would still transfer the voters names to JP areas, inflate numbers and then stuff ballot boxes like they did in 2013.
If that is so, then there should be little excitement on the "ejection of Jubilee stooges in the IEBC". It also suggests that, with regard to the IEBC, CORD should have focused on something more than just a "punitive measure against Isaack Hassan".
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Its sad that CORD is the one being criticized for not doing enough while the people who have been creating the road blocks to Kenya's democracy are given a pass. It was not easy for CORD to bring these people to the table for negotiations in the first place. They came up with a deal and then Jubilee reneged. How do you blame CORD for that? Its like criticizing a rape victim for wearing a short skirt. Lets focus on the people who blatantly stole the 2007 and 2013 elections and are now plotting to steal the 2017 elections. If there is a system wide network failure then lets us cancel the elections because that would mean that someone is trying to manipulate the results. If there is no option of manual elections then they will not sabotage the network. Regional system failures can be cured by a satellite transmission as a back-up.
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I did not mock or deride CORD. What I noted: (a) they started too late and (b) although the "stooges" were supposedly ejected months ago, they are still in office (as far as I know).
My recollection of it is at variance with yours. I think the archives will bear me out.
The stooges are still occupying office with the connivance of Consiliere Githu Mortician Muigai and Consigliere Njee Muturi. However their acts in office are inherently illegal since they exceed the number provided for in the law. We expect them to be completely gone soon. Like all cancers it takes a while before it goes in to permanent remission.
In the demonstrations against the IEBC, property was damaged, businesses were disrupted, people were injured, and (I believe) one person died. If all that was merely to "punish" Isaack Hassan, then there are serious problems with CORD and its leadership. (By the way, what is the exact nature of the punishment? Sending him home with a gunia full of cash? I'd love to be "punished" like that!)
The most important thing for CORD was not who sits in the IEBC. I tried to clarify that here a few months ago and upon realizing I might educate the enemy before the law was passed stopped. We went after structural changes while JP focused on personnel changes or retention. As you can see, they are realizing that they miscalculated and celebrated too early. That should explain their anger.
We are not yet done with them and even if they pass their law as they will, we shall ensure it is dead before elections. Thanks to their ineptitude.
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Those who are criticizing CORD are the same ones who opposed mass action called by Raila Odinga to force through the changes.
Uhuru BTW is a gift that keeps giving. I sincerely hope he remains recalcitrant so that we can get another issue to mobilize our voters around. People vote when they are very happy or mad with something.
Uhuru has lost it. He is so desperate that he starts to revise a law in a way that is most damaging to him.
Its sad that CORD is the one being criticized for not doing enough while the people who have been creating the road blocks to Kenya's democracy are given a pass. It was not easy for CORD to bring these people to the table for negotiations in the first place. They came up with a deal and then Jubilee reneged. How do you blame CORD for that? Its like criticizing a rape victim for wearing a short skirt. Lets focus on the people who blatantly stole the 2007 and 2013 elections and are now plotting to steal the 2017 elections. If there is a system wide network failure then lets us cancel the elections because that would mean that someone is trying to manipulate the results. If there is no option of manual elections then they will not sabotage the network. Regional system failures can be cured by a satellite transmission as a back-up.
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Its sad that CORD is the one being criticized for not doing enough while the people who have been creating the road blocks to Kenya's democracy are given a pass. It was not easy for CORD to bring these people to the table for negotiations in the first place. They came up with a deal and then Jubilee reneged. How do you blame CORD for that? Its like criticizing a rape victim for wearing a short skirt. Lets focus on the people who blatantly stole the 2007 and 2013 elections and are now plotting to steal the 2017 elections. If there is a system wide network failure then lets us cancel the elections because that would mean that someone is trying to manipulate the results. If there is no option of manual elections then they will not sabotage the network. Regional system failures can be cured by a satellite transmission as a back-up.
CORD is being criticized primarily because the country needs an alternative to JAP, CORD is the party best placed to do that, but CORD is bungling the job. Nobody here is blaming CORD for JAP's reneging on a deal that all agreed on. What is being pointed out is that CORD has made, and continues to make, mistakes. To borrow your analogy, one who bends over and exposes the "thing" in the direction of a tarimbo is hardly in the best position to cry "rape, rape!".
And I cannot think of any reason to not criticize statements to the effect that the whole point of the IEBC demonstrations was to punish Isaack Hassan. Was the participating public informed of that?
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The stooges are still occupying office with the connivance of Consiliere Githu Mortician Muigai and Consigliere Njee Muturi.
I see. And the "ejection of Jubilee stooges in the IEBC"?
The most important thing for CORD was not who sits in the IEBC.
Fair enough, although one is then astonished by your elation on the "ejection of Jubilee stooges in the IEBC". It was to punish Isaac Hassan .... how?
Anyways ... in that case one does not expect to hear about how NIS and JAP types on the IEBC are, or will be, doing this and that nasty thing to CORD.
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Focusing on what CORD did/or did not do to prevent the stealing of elections is actually normalizing the stealing of elections and taking the focus off crime and the criminals. This is why we do not discuss what the woman was wearing when she was rapped. Its immaterial to the crime of rape. Its the argument of moral equivalence. "JAP stole but CORD should have known better". Therefore they are all the same.
Its sad that CORD is the one being criticized for not doing enough while the people who have been creating the road blocks to Kenya's democracy are given a pass. It was not easy for CORD to bring these people to the table for negotiations in the first place. They came up with a deal and then Jubilee reneged. How do you blame CORD for that? Its like criticizing a rape victim for wearing a short skirt. Lets focus on the people who blatantly stole the 2007 and 2013 elections and are now plotting to steal the 2017 elections. If there is a system wide network failure then lets us cancel the elections because that would mean that someone is trying to manipulate the results. If there is no option of manual elections then they will not sabotage the network. Regional system failures can be cured by a satellite transmission as a back-up.
CORD is being criticized primarily because the country needs an alternative to JAP, CORD is the party best placed to do that, but CORD is bungling the job. Nobody here is blaming CORD for JAP's reneging on a deal that all agreed on. What is being pointed out is that CORD has made, and continues to make, mistakes. To borrow your analogy, one who bends over and exposes the "thing" in the direction of a tarimbo is hardly in the best position to cry "rape, rape!".
And I cannot think of any reason to not criticize statements to the effect that the whole point of the IEBC demonstrations was to punish Isaack Hassan. Was the participating public informed of that?
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Focusing on what CORD did/or did not do to prevent the stealing of elections is actually normalizing the stealing of elections and taking the focus off crime and the criminals. This is why we do not discuss what the woman was wearing when she was rapped. Its immaterial to the crime of rape. Its the argument of moral equivalence. "JAP stole but CORD should have known better". Therefore they are all the same.
Questionable reasoning. But before we get into that, nobody is focusing on that aspect; it is just one thing that has been mentioned. As to the rest: First, see my use above of the your analogy. Second, if your woman knowingly walks into a den of rapists without any protective measures (e.g. carrying a gun), then it is reasonable to ask questions about her judgement. Note that this should not be interpreted as stating that the crime is acceptable or that the criminals should get a pass. It is instead a matter or using common sense in self-preservation, rather than wading into danger on the insistence that "to do this and that would be illegal!".
CORD should fully expect that JAP will attempt some funny business in the next elections and should prepare accordingly; merely arguing that such behaviour from JAP would be bad or illegal will not help. In order to fully prepare for the those elections, CORD should reflect on the past---what it could have and should have done at the last elections and since. If CORD fails to engage in some serious self-reflection, on the grounds that to do so would be "normalizing the stealing of elections", then I have a pretty good idea of how things will turn out later this year.
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Its sad that CORD is the one being criticized for not doing enough while the people who have been creating the road blocks to Kenya's democracy are given a pass. It was not easy for CORD to bring these people to the table for negotiations in the first place. They came up with a deal and then Jubilee reneged. How do you blame CORD for that? Its like criticizing a rape victim for wearing a short skirt. Lets focus on the people who blatantly stole the 2007 and 2013 elections and are now plotting to steal the 2017 elections. If there is a system wide network failure then lets us cancel the elections because that would mean that someone is trying to manipulate the results. If there is no option of manual elections then they will not sabotage the network. Regional system failures can be cured by a satellite transmission as a back-up.
CORD is being criticized primarily because the country needs an alternative to JAP, CORD is the party best placed to do that, but CORD is bungling the job. Nobody here is blaming CORD for JAP's reneging on a deal that all agreed on. What is being pointed out is that CORD has made, and continues to make, mistakes. To borrow your analogy, one who bends over and exposes the "thing" in the direction of a tarimbo is hardly in the best position to cry "rape, rape!".
And I cannot think of any reason to not criticize statements to the effect that the whole point of the IEBC demonstrations was to punish Isaack Hassan. Was the participating public informed of that?
If by alternative we mean, a different set of crooks and thugs to shaft wanjiku, I would be inclined to agree that there is none better than CORD. It's easy to forget that Raila ran a veritable crime syndicate as Prime Minister when you listen to CORD proponents. The only reason to vote for CORD is because it punishes Jubilee. Sure, vote for CORD, but with realistic expectations.
I think replacing them, even with another set of crooks is better because it loosens their grip on power. CORD's best hope to do that is 2022 at the earliest if they play their cards right. Right now they are staring at the real possibility of Messi taking a bigger bite of "their" part of the pie in 2017 just because he can do it.
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If by alternative we mean, a different set of crooks and thugs to shaft wanjiku, I would be inclined to agree that there is none better than CORD. It's easy to forget that Raila ran a veritable crime syndicate as Prime Minister when you listen to CORD proponents. The only reason to vote for CORD is because it punishes Jubilee. Sure, vote for CORD, but with realistic expectations.
I think replacing them, even with another set of crooks is better because it loosens their grip on power. CORD's best hope to do that is 2022 at the earliest if they play their cards right. Right now they are staring at the real possibility of Messi taking a bigger bite of "their" part of the pie in 2017 just because he can do it.
Yes, a vote for CORD should not be on the basis that it is necessarily any good; my statement earlier is limited to "best-placed", not best or even better. Rather: (a) it is the most hopeful of a hopeless lot; (b) it couldn't possibly be worse that Jubilee; and (c) it's time to try something else, so why not, on the off-chance that it might work. Admittedly, not the strongest recommendation, but that's Kenya for you.