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Title: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on December 03, 2016, 04:49:44 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/02/world/trump-calls-to-world-leaders.html?src=twr&_r=0


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Mr. Trump praises Kazakhstan’s
leader for “fantastic success.”


Why it matters


Mr. Trump praised Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, the president of Kazakhstan since 1991, in tones that suggest approval for Mr. Nazarbayev’s strongman rule. According to the Kazakh government’s readout of the call, Mr. Trump “stressed that under the leadership of Nursultan Nazarbayev, our country over the years of independence had achieved fantastic success that can be called a ‘miracle.’”


Nov. 30


Mr. Trump accepts an invitation to
visit Pakistan, “a terrific country.”


Why it matters


Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif invited Mr. Trump to visit, according to a Pakistani government readout of their call. Should Mr. Trump follow through, he risks alienating India, which sees Pakistan as a major antagonist, and appearing to reward Pakistan’s behavior; should he renege, he risks upsetting Pakistani leaders who are sensitive about perceived American intransigence. Either way, the call could upset the delicate balance of India-Pakistan ties, which the U.S. has struggled to manage amid a history of wars and recent skirmishes.

Are there safeguards against such a impulsive as Trump. I bet you he will be played big time by some of these diplomats. America is going to lose big time with Trump presidency. I can imagine how China and Russia must be happy coz they know they can manipulate trump to get whatever they want and may be gain more influence.. What a mess


Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: veritas on December 03, 2016, 05:23:52 AM
Pakistan is a black zone like Iran, North Korea and Russia. Has lots of nukes. Enemies with USA.

I noticed Trump uses "terrific" to describe immigrants and entities he doesn't like. Terrific also means "causing terror"

If he keeps up with this doublespeak no country is gonna take USA seriously like the boy who cried wolf. It hurts bilateral ties and effectively isolates USA.
Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on December 03, 2016, 06:55:07 AM
This was gigantic mistake on part of the American voters. He is getting played openly and I wonder the people he choosing have the ability to keep him in check. He needs a no nonsense Fixer who he will be scared to disappoint. May be his daughter who he holds in high esteem can be made a defacto white house chief of Staff.. Someone needs to get this man fast before he wrecks this empire. He just needs a gatekeeper. Hopefully once he moves to DC the GOP machinery will reign him in.

The world is going through a transition period and no ones know what the outcome will be... Capitalism has caused a lot movement of wealth and inequality in the process creating a lot of anxiety. In short USA needs steady hands. Obama was a gift by gods of Atlantic to US.   His calm demeanor made USA regain most of the goodwill lost during Bush presidency on Unilateral actions..

What scares me about Trump is that he is not separating campaign rhetoric from reality. Today he just appointed one of the most hawkish general to lead defense. I hope this guy doesn't mislead him like Ronald Rumsfeld did to Bush and end up tying USA in another senseless war.

I still think if Trump is Managed properly he can become a great president because he can assuage the ego of "deplorables" while congress and other Americans fix some of the structural and long-term problems.

I was just watching a documentary on inequality focusing on NY NY Chelsea neighborhood. Jesus sometimes it crazy what capitalism and greed can do because of  the excesses. You have billionaires displacing low income renters just because they can and want to have Ritz penthouse and take kids to 40K dollars primary school.

The funny thing is that the kids of the 1% can really feel that the future is not on their side and are uneasy about the inequality they can see from their posh classes..

I wonder if we are watching a French type of revolution building up in this empire.. What happens if majority give up on this democracy .. Right now 43% of eligible to vote is not participating. They have given up. Some only vote in local elections only meaning they have no faith in the Federalism.

America right now is only functioning  because states are coming with most of the solutions. Problems are getting solved piecemeal at local localities with very little input or coordination from Federal government..

Healthcare reform, Tax reform, job growth all these are getting addressed state or town by town and it very funny to see towns in the same state under cutting each sometimes hurting the state in the long-term

Trevor Noah the host of Daily Show.. was being interviewed on NPR and he said at Daily show he was the only guy who told held a firm believe that Trump could be elected. Asked why he said because being an African he has this movie before where a buffoon or soldier lies to masses takes power and then is unable to navigate leadership..





Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: Empedocles on December 03, 2016, 10:25:57 AM
Trump's an idiot and he ain't even the president yet. This just incoming:



China's response:

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Chinese diplomat: Trump call a Taiwan 'shenanigan' (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/02/politics/donald-trump-taiwan/)

China's top diplomat called the controversial phone call between President-elect Donald Trump and Taiwan's President "a shenanigan by the Taiwan side."

"it won't at all change the 'one China' structure that the international community has agreed upon," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Saturday when he was asked about the call on the sidelines of a foreign policy seminar.

"I don't think it will change the 'one China' policy that U.S. administrations have adhered to over the years. The 'one China' policy is the cornerstone of a healthy China-U.S. relationship. I hope this political foundation won't be disrupted or damaged."

Trump on Friday chatted with the Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen, who passed along her congratulations,Trump's transition team said.

"During the discussion, they noted the close economic, political, and security ties exists between Taiwan and the United States. President-elect Trump also congratulated President Tsai on becoming President of Taiwan earlier this year."

But the exchange threatened to anger China even before he takes office.

The chat marks the first publicly reported call between a US President or President-elect and the leader of Taiwan since Washington established diplomatic relations with Beijing in 1979, said Bonnie Glaser, a China expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The telephone call is certain to incense China, which considers Taiwan a renegade province. It is the first major sign of the unpredictability that Trump has vowed to bring to long-held US relations with the rest of the world.

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By Friday night, China had already reached out to the Obama administration. White House officials declined to comment on diplomatic discussions.
Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: RVtitem on December 03, 2016, 11:44:30 AM
I think its Trump team which will be making key strategic decisions.... All eyes ought to focus on the technocrats that trump will bring forth.
Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: Empedocles on December 03, 2016, 12:56:12 PM
I think its Trump team which will be making key strategic decisions.... All eyes ought to focus on the technocrats that trump will bring forth.

Unfortunately, Trump will be the one calling the shots. For example, his call with Taiwan, pissing off the Chinese, is all about Trump:

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Trump wants to expand business empire to Taiwan, creating another potential conflict of interest (http://shanghaiist.com/2016/11/18/trump_taiwan_expand.php)

The mayor of Taoyuan confirmed rumors on Wednesday that US president-elect Donald Trump was considering constructing a series of luxury hotels and resorts in the northwest Taiwanese city.

A representative from the Trump Organization paid a visit to Taoyuan in September, expressing interest in the city's Aerotropolis, a large-scale urban development project aimed at capitalizing on Taoyuan's status as a transport hub for East Asia, Taiwan News reports.With the review process for the Aerotropolis still underway, Taoyuan's mayor referred to the subject of the meeting as mere investment speculation. Other reports indicate that Eric Trump, the president-elect's second son and executive vice president of the Trump Organization, will be coming to Taoyuan later this year to discuss the potential business opportunity.

Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on December 03, 2016, 07:22:49 PM
I think its Trump team which will be making key strategic decisions.... All eyes ought to focus on the technocrats that trump will bring forth.

Unfortunately, Trump will be the one calling the shots. For example, his call with Taiwan, pissing off the Chinese, is all about Trump:

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Trump wants to expand business empire to Taiwan, creating another potential conflict of interest (http://shanghaiist.com/2016/11/18/trump_taiwan_expand.php)

The mayor of Taoyuan confirmed rumors on Wednesday that US president-elect Donald Trump was considering constructing a series of luxury hotels and resorts in the northwest Taiwanese city.

A representative from the Trump Organization paid a visit to Taoyuan in September, expressing interest in the city's Aerotropolis, a large-scale urban development project aimed at capitalizing on Taoyuan's status as a transport hub for East Asia, Taiwan News reports.With the review process for the Aerotropolis still underway, Taoyuan's mayor referred to the subject of the meeting as mere investment speculation. Other reports indicate that Eric Trump, the president-elect's second son and executive vice president of the Trump Organization, will be coming to Taoyuan later this year to discuss the potential business opportunity.



The guy won't even listen to his intelligence team.  I won't be surprised if another 9-11 type catastrophe happens under his watch.
Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on December 03, 2016, 08:23:04 PM
god white privileged is something else.. If this was Obama doing this he would get a lot of flack for it.. 
Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on December 03, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
god white privileged is something else.. If this was Obama doing this he would get a lot of flack for it.. 

There is that.  But also Republicans take no prisoners.  They have no sense of shame or hypocrisy.  But white privilege being rubbed in our faces is starting to get old fast.
Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on December 04, 2016, 01:06:57 AM
god white privileged is something else.. If this was Obama doing this he would get a lot of flack for it.. 

There is that.  But also Republicans take no prisoners.  They have no sense of shame or hypocrisy.  But white privilege being rubbed in our faces is starting to get old fast.

you are right rethugs are dirty and they will play as dirty as they can.. It will be an interesting 2 years leading to midterm elections.. I think Democrats are right to stick with Pelosi she knows how to blow for blow with rethugs.. I remember how she outmaneuvered them to get Obamacare passed .. I remember watching her parliamentary rule changes and tactics. Do you recall the Giant Gavel she used to walk around with
 One day she emerged after winning with a BIG Hammer it was comical. The woman is a bad Bitch

Here is nancy giving it to the cry baby of yore
(http://www.teapartytribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Pelosi-Boehner-Gavel.jpg)

Here is Pelosi with Giantic Gavel after hammering rethugs on the nuts
(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/4ba75e877f8b9aeb14670200/members-of-congress-are-amazing-investors-now-here-are-their-favorite-stocks.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: RVtitem on December 04, 2016, 08:09:07 AM
It's also come clear that Trump presidency recognises Taiwan as a nation, something which China worshiping Kenya regime cannot dare. I remember uhuru deportation of Taiwan citizens to China recently which caused diplomats chaos.

https://mobile.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158220075985725&id=153080620724&refid=28&_ft_=qid.6360106719909497363%3Amf_story_key.-5150229537134471742%3Atop_level_post_id.10158220075985725
Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: Empedocles on December 04, 2016, 01:29:09 PM
Wow, this is getting surreal:

SNL made fun of Trump's compulsive tweeting. 45 minutes later, Trump tweeted about it. (http://www.vox.com/culture/2016/12/4/13831900/donald-trump-snl-tweet)


So then Alec Baldwin replies:

Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: veritas on December 04, 2016, 02:18:33 PM
Two crises:

1) Mainland China emulated from renegade China "Taiwan" capitalism.

2) Mainland China has ballistic missiles (aka nuclear bombs) facing Taiwan. One of the first things I learnt as politics student. It's very precarious.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2012/09/04/2003541913

Unified China and Taiwan is like North and South Korea coming together.
Title: Re: Trump is getting played diplomatically - this guy is gullible
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on December 04, 2016, 03:57:17 PM
Veritas,
Is true that there has been covert missions or projects between Taiwanese political elite and China's ruling congress on ways for China to undertake political reforms moving away from communism and democratizing. The whole thing about Chinesse culture of Honor is what is preventing reunification. It is interesting fact how two people of the same heritage took different pathways and one ended well off..
http://thinking-taiwan.com/preparing-unification/

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Beyond the usual rhetoric that the CCP’s credibility is contingent on the leadership’s ability to consolidate the Chinese nation is also the fact that Taiwan’s democracy remains a dangerous contradiction for authoritarian China, one that must either be destroyed entirely or downgraded to a level that no longer threatens the CCP. Taiwan’s vibrant, albeit imperfect democracy and its internalization by the nation’s 23 million people is the reason why Beijing’s “one country two systems” offer to Taiwan — the best it has made to date — has had little appeal among Taiwanese. Its rhetoric notwithstanding, the CCP understands how unappealing its offer has been to Taiwanese, even among the many who vote for the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT). If Beijing’s flirting is ever to be taken seriously by Taiwan, it will have to make a significantly more generous offer, perhaps something like a federalist system - See more at: http://thinking-taiwan.com/preparing-unification/#sthash.apKEgrjr.dpuf

On other News Idi Amin is not happy that SNL is mocking him