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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Pajero on October 28, 2016, 01:04:05 PM

Title: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: Pajero on October 28, 2016, 01:04:05 PM
Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022, is starting on a well trodden path, having watched President Uhuru successfully retreat to his ethnic cocoon and rise to the top, albeit with so much ethnic loyalty (Kalenjin) buying which nearly bankrupted the Kenyatta family, according to insiders.
Unknown to many people, it is the corruption scandals that ‘stabilized’ the Kenyatta family after the 2013 polls that has led to the current spate of scandals.
Inside government, people know President Uhuru has no “moral authority” to stem corruption; having partook of it in numerous multi-billion shilling tender deals particularly in the infrastructure, security and health sectors. But this is for another day.
Kenneth is what can be referred to as the “candidate of death”, because there is no way the Mt. Kenya bloc will vote for him to the last man without massive bloodshed from the Rift Valley, where, as we’ve been hearing from a number of Kalenjin politicians, short-changing current Deputy President is tantamount to betrayal.
“We are telling them that dawa ya deni ni kulipa. In 2022, they have to vote for Ruto,” Uasin Gishu Governor Jackson Mandago said, with no equivocation.
“We even know at night where they meet to plan games against Ruto and we will soon name those involved,” he added.
The former Gatanga MP announced his endorsement of President Uhuru’s re-election; his reason being that the president has “held the country together” and should be supported.
Despite being the most ridiculous reason, Kenneth, who just four months ago blasted Uhuru regime of patronising multi-billion shilling corruption scandal after scandal, did not see the irony of endorsing Uhuru at a time Kenyans worry more about corruption than “unity”.
Unity is smokescreen, for at no point under Uhuru regime has ‘unity’ become the gravest concern for ordinary Kenyans. In their daily lives, Kenyans are ever united, neighbours helping neighbours, regions pooling resources together in new economic blocs.
In short, Peter Kenneth’s unity bogey is  empty. He is a liar and a closet tribalist. Kenneth’s endorsement of Uhuru is bereft of any logic, if not posturing for the Kikuyu tribal vote. The same vote DP Ruto is banking on.
For Kenneth, the 2022 race, which is obviously his endgame, is more of Mt. Kenya trying to make itself relevant in a future that’s increasingly appearing bleaker and undefined than at no other time in history.
DP Ruto has never been the candidate for Mt. Kenya. Forget the opportunistic politicians praising him after every “envelop”. The miracle, however, is; how do they do away with him in the ala Kalonzo manner?
Fact is, Mwai Kibaki reneged on his MoU with Raila Odinga and Mr. Odinga moved on to fight another day, and has always avoided playing the “victim card” so that by the time 2007 elections were being held, it was like the two had never been in any political arrangement.
In other words, there was no expectation of reciprocity.
If the relationship between Kibaki and Raila throughout their marriage was ever antagonistic, Ruto has for his time under President Uhuru attempted to create a fraternal camaraderie, sometimes to the point of appearing ridiculous.
The Luo, who were cheated by Kibaki in the post-NARC era, never banked on future support of the Kikuyu, like is the case now with Kalenjins. And the Luo, unlike the Kalenjins, never faked any friendship with the Kikuyu. The Luo were always aware Mt. Kenya would not respect and keep any deal; which provided a level of acceptability for the final eventuality. The deal was not kept.
This is not the case now and is exactly why Kenneth’s candidature, announced on the same ethnic terms as Uhuru did but laced in “development-minded” rhetoric, is not a walk in the park. Because, now, the park is infested by Kalenjin wolves.
Kalenjins expect the Kikuyu to support William Ruto to the last man. For this to happen, Peter Kenneth must completely be out of the equation.
Kikuyus don’t trust DP Ruto and don’t want him to be the face of President Uhuru’s re-election; that’s why Mt. Kenya “think tanks” are desperate to rope in anyone consequential in the larger scheme of things who can quote an acceptable buying prize.
Jubilee Party, therefore, struggles between giving itself a political identity with DP Ruto in the periphery (which isn’t working) and reviving the usual Mt. Kenya “plan B” political vehicles.
It shouldn’t surprise you that PNU has conveniently “de-linked” itself from Jubilee. Same to DP. And in Kisii, Peter Kenneth’s KNC made a mini statement, meaning if Jubilee becomes unsellable in some regions, Kenneth’s party can be used for the bidding, including dividing “opposition” votes.
For now, how to put the “candidate of death” as the prime mover of Uhuru re-election remains the miracle.
Title: Re: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: RV Pundit on October 28, 2016, 02:42:15 PM
Uhuru is the guy to make Ruto pork and in the meantime he enjoys real power so I don't know what crisis is this.Rails and Kalonzo didn't have the leverage of 1m acres occupied by 1m kikuyus in riftvalley.And by 2022 mt Kenya totally votes will be 20%..so Ruto is working hard to win over other tribes.Even if all my Kenya votes for Kenneth they would still be maybe third...with Ruto going second.Ruto has best shot going 2022.
Title: Re: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: Pajero on October 28, 2016, 03:55:41 PM
This time they will be well prepared,unlike 2007 when you ambushed them.Uhuru will also deploy strong contigent of security personell.
Title: Re: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: Kichwa on October 28, 2016, 03:57:18 PM
Ruto only has power to steal and I do not know whether that is "real power".  What else can he really do that others cannot-travel?  Tell me just one thing of consequence that Ruto can really do?  "Real Power" does not necessarily go with the position one has.  He may be the Deputy President but he is not neccessarilythe 2nd most powerful person in Kenya. There are countries where the president is not necessarily the most powerful person.  Ati "real power",  he cannot even tame Isaac Ruto!

Ouru cannot make Ruto president even if he wanted to. Once he is out of office his power is also gone. Just because you predicted Ouru's presidency in 2016 does not make you a political genius. 


Uhuru is the guy to make Ruto pork and in the meantime he enjoys real power so I don't know what crisis is this.Rails and Kalonzo didn't have the leverage of 1m acres occupied by 1m kikuyus in riftvalley.And by 2022 mt Kenya totally votes will be 20%..so Ruto is working hard to win over other tribes.Even if all my Kenya votes for Kenneth they would still be maybe third...with Ruto going second.Ruto has best shot going 2022.
Title: Re: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: RV Pundit on October 28, 2016, 05:24:52 PM
There is no wall of security that can protect kikuyus in rv from their neighbours- Uhuru should try to protect marakwet from pokots now - the only protection is the goodwill and legitimacy. Kibaki had all security agencies and yet he was hapless - the terrain is so large and the kalenjin warriors so adept at it. The only preparation is to stay in towns next to police stations...leaving your hse and cattles to be burn and stolen.

Post 2017 election - any attempt to slice ruto will be declaration of war - and it won't be pretty - Kikuyu leadership will need to think through this.

Kalenjin would be stupid not to back Uhuru in 2017 but Kikuyus would even be sillier not to back Ruto. They'll both lose to Raila candidate and they will re-opened all wounds that will take generations to heal.

This 20 yr deal is all you need to heal RV...and hopefully by 2032...kenya will be an urbanized higher middle income country..and question of land will be over.

This time they will be well prepared,unlike 2007 when you ambushed them.Uhuru will also deploy strong contigent of security personell.
Title: Re: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: RV Pundit on October 28, 2016, 05:32:11 PM
Ruto has more power than Raila ever had. There is no point arguing a rather obvious thing. Rutoh is leading a coalition gov with 50% share - he get to decide a whole lot of stuff on a daily basis. Real power doesn't mean total power like baba Moi.

Well Uhuru has lots of power going to 2022...he can even ask Ruto to act for months as pork...especially toward 2022. Not only does uhuru have state power but he is also the undisputed leader of GEMA people.

Ruto only has power to steal and I do not know whether that is "real power".  What else can he really do that others cannot-travel?  Tell me just one thing of consequence that Ruto can really do?  "Real Power" does not necessarily go with the position one has.  He may be the Deputy President but he is not neccessarilythe 2nd most powerful person in Kenya. There are countries where the president is not necessarily the most powerful person.  Ati "real power",  he cannot even tame Isaac Ruto!

Ouru cannot make Ruto president even if he wanted to. Once he is out of office his power is also gone. Just because you predicted Ouru's presidency in 2016 does not make you a political genius. 
Title: Re: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 28, 2016, 05:32:32 PM
There is no wall of security that can protect kikuyus in rv from their neighbours- Uhuru should try to protect marakwet from pokots now - the only protection is the goodwill and legitimacy. Kibaki had all security agency and yet he was hapless - the terrain is so large and the kalenjin warriors so adept at it. The only preparation is to stay in towns next to police stations...leaving your hse and cattles to be burn and stolen.

Post 2017 election - any attempt to slice ruto will be declaration of war - and it won't be pretty - Kikuyu leadership will need to think through this.

Kalenjin would be stupid not to back Uhuru in 2017 but Kikuyus would even be sillier not to back Ruto. They'll both lose to Raila candidate and they will re-opened all wounds that will take generations to heal.

This 20 yr deal is all you need to heal RV...and hopefully by 2032...kenya will be an urbanized higher middle income country..and question of land will be over.

This time they will be well prepared,unlike 2007 when you ambushed them.Uhuru will also deploy strong contigent of security personell.

So you think if Ruto does not become President it's civil war?  Hilarious.
Title: Re: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: RV Pundit on October 28, 2016, 05:35:52 PM
No, I think it hilarious you think that; There will be civil war if ruto is rigged; just like luos are likely to throw stones in kisumu and kibera; there will be civil war btw kalenjin and kikuyu if Kikuyu do not stick to the deal. Those are ugly facts. I don't like it...but I know it will happen. This will be 92 and 07 again. In 1992 Kalenjin beef as i know was that kikuyus/luos/luhyas had not allowed moi to rule forever like kenyatta had done and yet they occupied their ancestral land- so they had to get them out of their ancestral land. 07 was that Kibaki had rigged himself in after Moi had peacefully conceded in 02 - so they had to kick them out.

If ruto loses in free and fair election with fully backing of GEMa - the peace in rv will prevail.

GEMA leadership understand the dynamics and consequences of reneging on UhuRuto deal..and therefore they should handle this with all the caution. The land pressure as kalenjin sire kids without changing their lifestyle is going to make this worse than 07 - there will be many "warriors" - idling around looking to loot.

So you think if Ruto does not become President it's civil war?  Hilarious.
Title: Re: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 28, 2016, 05:48:04 PM
No, I think it hilarious you think that; There will be civil war if ruto is rigged; just like luos are likely to throw stones in kisumu and kibera; there will be civil war btw kalenjin and kikuyu if Kikuyu do not stick to the deal. Those are ugly facts. I don't like it...but I know it will happen. This will be 92 and 07 again. In 1992 Kalenjin beef as i know was that kikuyus/luos/luhyas had not allowed moi to rule forever like kenyatta had done and yet they occupied their ancestral land- so they had to get them out of their ancestral land. 07 was that Kibaki had rigged himself in after Moi had peacefully conceded in 02 - so they had to kick them out.

If ruto loses in free and fair election with fully backing of GEMa - the peace in rv will prevail.

GEMA leadership understand the dynamics and consequences of reneging on UhuRuto deal..and therefore they should handle this with all the caution. The land pressure as kalenjin sire kids without changing their lifestyle is going to make this worse than 07 - there will be many "warriors" - idling around looking to loot.

So you think if Ruto does not become President it's civil war?  Hilarious.

The more the reason to put them to work in factories.  But that is beneath them, no?
Title: Re: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: RV Pundit on October 28, 2016, 05:51:01 PM
If it made economic sense to set up factories - of course. Right now it doesn't. We have to hope that by 2032 - most of them will be working on factories. Right now you cannot compete on manufacturing unless you're able to hire slavish labour at 20 usd per month..only ethiopia and china can do that now...US of A is ever complaining about lost jobs...leave alone kenya.
The more the reason to put them to work in factories.  But that is beneath them, no?
Title: Re: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on October 28, 2016, 05:55:09 PM
If it made economic sense to set up factories - of course. Right now it doesn't. We have to hope that by 2032 - most of them will be working on factories. Right now you cannot compete on manufacturing unless you're able to hire slavish labour at 20 usd per month..only ethiopia and china can do that now...US of A is ever complaining about lost jobs...leave alone kenya.
The more the reason to put them to work in factories.  But that is beneath them, no?

A guy who is making nothing and willing to wait five years to loot sufurias, and will not take a slavish wage?
Title: Re: Peter Kenneth, the Mt. Kenya presumptive candidate for Jubilee Party in 2022
Post by: RV Pundit on October 28, 2016, 06:08:34 PM
He is not waiting to loot - an opportunity to loot arise - and he loots. You see that a lot in accident scene in kenya.
A guy who is making nothing and willing to wait five years to loot sufurias, and will not take a slavish wage?