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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Simanova on July 30, 2016, 01:37:02 PM
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No need to argue. I'll just drop the evidence and leave the question: If Raila was behind SGR and LAPPSET, Bypasses and general Road infrastructure, Kibera Slum Eradication and Huduma Centers etc, what ORIGINAL idea can Jubilee and Uhuru point at?
Am all ears
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No need to argue. I'll just drop the evidence and leave the question: If Raila was behind SGR and LAPPSET, Bypasses and general Road infrastructure, Kibera Slum Eradication and Huduma Centers etc, what ORIGINAL idea can Jubilee and Uhuru point at?
Am all ears
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Until RAO properly organises his media team (that is, if he even has a functioning one), remember the West African saying: "Until lions have their own historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter."
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You mean he has to start spinning? Nah. How far has that got Jubilee? Where did it get Blair? And Bush?
There is a limit to how many air buggers wrapped in Cassava leaves you can sell before consumers realize and demand some beef between the cassava leaves. Jubilee has over done it and it is returning to take them on with a fury yet unknown.
Until RAO properly organises his media team (that is, if he even has a functioning one), remember the West African saying: "Until lions have their own historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter."
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You mean he has to start spinning? Nah. How far has that got Jubilee? Where did it get Blair? And Bush?
There is a limit to how many air buggers wrapped in Cassava leaves you can sell before consumers realize and demand some beef between the cassava leaves. Jubilee has over done it and it is returning to take them on with a fury yet unknown.
No, not spinning per se but getting some kind of coherent message across. Most of what we read in the newspapers are amusing articles/pictures of RAO acting the fool i.e.
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Or the infamous MIB episodes, the infighting, etc.
Like Darth Vader, I think there still could be some good in Raila. His team is basically pathetic and make him look much much worse than he probably is.
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Even the first lady of the U.S of A *snap* has snapchat.
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Evolve.
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Raila is technically better than uhuru, however he fails psychologically. Raila ought to attract blue collar subset kenyan voters more.
He spearheaded the demolition to pave way for bypass... He is the type of guy that will easily bring to an end chaotic public transport among other.
This is why they, the culprits, label him "anti-development/poverty agent"
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You mean he has to start spinning? Nah. How far has that got Jubilee? Where did it get Blair? And Bush?
No, actually the other way: If people like you want to help Raila and CORD, you should spin less, stop seeing Jubilee conspiracies everywhere, and generally be more objective.
By the way, I don't care for spin, but, far as I can tell, Bush and Blair got exactly what they wanted from it and are now happily retired.
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Ideas and visions are a dime a dozen, execution is everything. Indeed new regimes should just implement what is already planned. This is actually a plus for Jubilee - taking up Huduma, LAPSSET, Vision 2030, etc. We don't need "new" ideas with the all in existence.
Speaking of ideas and performance...
What do folks here think of ex-CS Waiguru of Huduma and NYS fame? She is a Michuki-type performer. Should Nairobians hold their noses and give her a shot at governor, or gamble with the inexperienced non-performer Eugene Wamalawa?
Kidero is a no-no given his dismal score. Same goes for Sonko the drug-dealing trash-talker.
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These are not new ideas. It's a continuation of bilateral deals inclusive of private firms and white/blue collar workers for the benefit of public transparency. For instance,
http://www.vision2030.go.ke/522/uhuru-park-agree-hasten-south-koreafunded-projects/
This wouldn't even be possible without Vision2030.
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Uhuru, Park agree to hasten South Korea-funded projects
President Uhuru Kenyatta and his Korean counterpart Park Geun-hye during their talks at State House, Nairobi on Tuesday, May 31 2016. Photo/PSCU
Updated: Jun 29, 2016
President Uhuru Kenyatta and his South Korean counterpart Park Geun-Hye on Tuesday agreed to speed up implementation of multi-billion shilling agreements signed between the two countries.
They asked the relevant ministries and government agencies involved to see that the existing bilateral relations are bolstered for greater growth.
President Kenyatta said there is need for the two governments to consolidate their cooperation for energy, as well as integrated rural and urban development.
The priority areas that featured in the talks included energy, transport, ICT, agriculture, education and science and technology projects.
President Kenyatta said Kenya has a lot to learn from the Korean expertise and experiences as this will help the country achieve the Kenya Vision 2030 blueprint.
Further engagement will see Kenya grow its trade, investment, education, sports, culture improvement and information capacities.
On trade and investment, President Kenyatta said there has been steady growth in volume of product exchanges between the two countries.
By 2014, Kenya's balance of trade with Korea valued at Sh29.10 billion albeit with the latter reaping more - a gap they said can be reduced by allowing more Kenyan products access the Korean market.
“These include cut flowers, coffee, black tea, and fresh produce such as mangoes, avocadoes, pineapples among others, which are world class products and are traded in international markets. We believe that an increase of exports will improve trade relations between our countries,” President Kenyatta said.
He noted that the government is eager to grow cooperations in electric power and nuclear energy development with the government of Korea.
“Korea is already training 14 Kenyan students at the Kepco international nuclear graduate school (KINGS),” said President Kenyatta.
To date, said the President, investment in the energy sector, particularly by Korean companies has enhanced the country’s generation of power.
The President pointed out that the Korean government has helped in the rehabilitation of primary schools in Nairobi, Nakuru and Thika.
The Head of State said his government supports the ongoing dialogue between relevant authorities of the two countries charged with the establishment of Kenya Advance Institute of Science and Technology (KAIST) at Konza Techno City.
President Park, who is on a 3-day visit, responded by saying Kenya is a regional economic power and has great influence.
She said her government will help Kenya achieve its vision 2030 by increasing trade and business investment.
On importation of horticultural and other agricultural products to Korea, President Park said her government will consult quarantine authorities and agree on what needs to be done.
She said Korean firms are keen in participating on the LAPSSET and Vision 2030 projects so as to support Kenya achieve its development agenda.
The meeting was attended by deputy president William Ruto and cabinet secretaries.
President Kenyatta and First Lady Margaret Kenyatta later hosted President Park to a luncheon at State House, Nairobi.
The luncheon was attended by Cord leader Raila Odinga and minority leader in the Senate Moses Wetangula.
Source: PSCU / The Star
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This is lame. It smacks of someone running on empty. Unless Raila has a patent for his great ideas this are just gov projects and plans that lie idle until they are executed. LAPSET last I heard was planned in the 70s.
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Does it harm for Jubilee to admit that the ideas are NOT their own? This would not be spoken if they were not trampling around the country pretending to have original ideas. Ruto's daily mantra is "the opposition has no ideas" while implementing what the very opposition came up with. No wonder Jubilee thinks the opposition is a think tank to give them ideas to implement.
I am just setting the record straight and when Jubilee comes up with a genuine and original idea like Jonathan Swift wrote in Gulliver's Travels, I:
... would take such Caution, that [Jubilee] should have the Honour entire without a Rival.
This is lame. It smacks of someone running on empty. Unless Raila has a patent for his great ideas this are just gov projects and plans that lie idle until they are executed. LAPSET last I heard was planned in the 70s.
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Does it harm for Jubilee to admit that the ideas are NOT their own?
Why would they do that if they can benefit from claiming the ideas? Wouldn't doing so be a bit stupid? Besides, aren't such claims the norm in Kenya? The aspiring MP campaigns on "I will bring you this road, water supply, ...", and when the government eventually acts on some old plan, the incumbent goes on with "see I brought you this and that". My local MP is, on the whole, useless but still does very well. When I asked the locals why they think he is a good leader, the best they could come up with was "He brought us CDF money".
Look, the average Kenyan doesn't go around looking at ideas, plans, their history, etc.; he or she looks at just the here-and-now. To get the level of understanding you seem to expect requires a level of civic education that nobody---neither CORD nor Jubilee---is really interested in. Too much hard work. SO best to just accept the reality.
Ruto's daily mantra is "the opposition has no ideas" while implementing what the very opposition came up with.
First, you really shouldn't say the opposition, unless you also count Kibaki's side as part of the opposition. Second, is Ruto really wrong? I have heard plenty from the CORD side on how Jubilee is messing up; but I have heard very little on how CORD would do things differently.
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The reason why Ouru is president and Raila is not has nothing to do with ideas or media or spinning. It has everything to do with money and tribalism in Kenya. Raila's ideas have always have won the day although he is not president. Whether it is 1) presidential term limits 2) multi-party 3) the demise of Kanu 4) devolution 5) the new progressive Katiba, infrastructure development, rural electrification, Raila has been talking about these things before Ouru and Ruto came into politics. People view Raila as a political failure because he is not president, but if you are looking at the single individual whose ideas has influenced Kenya the most in the last 20 years then I would say it is Raila. Presidency is not everything.
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The reason why Ouru is president and Raila is not has nothing to do with ideas or media or spinning. It has everything to do with money and tribalism in Kenya. Raila's ideas have always have won the day although he is not president. Whether it is 1) presidential term limits 2) multi-party 3) the demise of Kanu 4) devolution 5) the new progressive Katiba, infrastructure development, rural electrification, Raila has been talking about these things before Ouru and Ruto came into politics. People view Raila as a political failure because he is not president, but if you are looking at the single individual whose ideas has influenced Kenya the most in the last 20 years then I would say it is Raila. Presidency is not everything.
To be honest, RAO should have been president in 2008 but we know how that ended up. In 2013, he should also have been president but he and his team messed up royally although I do have a sneaking suspicion he really would have been rigged out if he gone into the elections seriously.
Look, the problem with RAO is that he sucks at managing, which always costs him whatever he's trying to do (see wikileaks on Orengo's opinion on RAO when he said "Odinga has done nothing to reorganize his office to make it more effective; Odinga is a poor manager who does not follow up; and he is primarily focused on preparing for his presidential run in 2012, Orengo said.").
Unfortunately, the exact same thing is being repeated today with regards to 2017, with RAO being solely focused on getting the seat but not on the how. If RAO were to become serious, I see him offering a serious challenge to Uhuruto