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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Simanova on July 08, 2016, 01:12:53 PM
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I have faced criticism for sharing photos from these rallies. I do not plan to stop any time soon. I was booted out of choo.com when some people over there could not reconcile the propaganda image of a dead CORD and the overwhelming turnout in these rallies. The messenger had to go.
I think here it is more like, "we are not used to this"
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Earlier... Obado doing everything to get the ODM / CORD ticket
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Meanwhile Abubu declares his ambition: To beat the Opposition NOT government:
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I have faced criticism for sharing photos from these rallies. I do not plan to stop any time soon. I was booted out of choo.com when some people over there could not reconcile the propaganda image of a dead CORD and the overwhelming turnout in these rallies. The messenger had to go.
I think here it is more like, "we are not used to this"
Well, I've never criticized it.
I simply see it as a RAO fetish.
Pobody is nerfect.
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There you go. Did it ever occur to you that I support CORD / ODM and not necessarily Raila? You have clearly not followed my even handedness when it comes to the two. I have criticized Raila whenever I did not agree with him - not least his support for Abubu Namwamba.
I have faced criticism for sharing photos from these rallies. I do not plan to stop any time soon. I was booted out of choo.com when some people over there could not reconcile the propaganda image of a dead CORD and the overwhelming turnout in these rallies. The messenger had to go.
I think here it is more like, "we are not used to this"
Well, I've never criticized it.
I simply see it as a RAO fetish.
Pobody is nerfect.
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Warming up. People still coming...
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To MoonKi
My instant survey indicates 99% of these people will vote cord. The 1% represents government officials and others on Eurobond
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There you go. Did it ever occur to you that I support CORD / ODM and not necessarily Raila? You have clearly not followed my even handedness when it comes to the two. I have criticized Raila whenever I did not agree with him - not least his support for Abubu Namwamba.
No you haven't.
I've read you viciously and correctly attacking Uhuruto on their tolerance for corruption.
Now, from 2008 - 2013, while RAO was in government, he did the exact same things Uhuruto are doing.
For example, Uhuru had his Waiguru. RAO had his Caroli.
As a voter, what could you show me to convince me that RAO would be any different from Uhuru, when it comes to keeping the status quo? Pretty pictures à la Justin Bieber posters in a teen girls room excluded.
While thinking about that, here's RAO enjoying VistaJet when he was PM:
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I have not denied criticizing Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto. I may even agree with you that the criticism has on occasion come close to being vicious. My disappointment remains that I have always felt I did not go far enough in criticizing those two.
So exactly what is your point, since you have raised an issue I had not addressed but thanks to you, I now have clarified my total opposition to Uhuru and Ruto.
There you go. Did it ever occur to you that I support CORD / ODM and not necessarily Raila? You have clearly not followed my even handedness when it comes to the two. I have criticized Raila whenever I did not agree with him - not least his support for Abubu Namwamba.
No you haven't.
I've read you viciously and correctly attacking Uhuruto on their tolerance for corruption.
Now, from 2008 - 2013, while RAO was in government, he did the exact same things Uhuruto are doing.
For example, Uhuru had his Waiguru. RAO had his Caroli.
As a voter, what could you show me to convince me that RAO would be any different from Uhuru, when it comes to keeping the status quo? Pretty pictures à la Justin Bieber posters in a teen girls room excluded.
While thinking about that, here's RAO enjoying VistaJet when he was PM:
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Empedocles
I have not denied criticizing Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto. I may even agree with you that the criticism has on occasion come close to being vicious. My disappointment remains that I have always felt I did not go far enough in criticizing those two.
So exactly what is your point, since you have raised an issue I had not addressed but thanks to you, I now have clarified my total opposition to Uhuru and Ruto.
To start off with, let me clearly clarify that I personally believe Uhuruto is one of the worst things to ever happen to Kenya.
On my loathing for RAO, check my history in Jukwaa. When I first joined, I was one of the biggest supporters of RAO and in 2007 happily stood in line for hours to give him my precious vote. I had bought into his reformer nonsense.
What concerns me more is the choice we have for PORK come 2017. In my personal opinion, RAO is exactly the same as Uhuruto, no difference.
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There is a slight but crucial difference. Raila operates with / within the party. Whether he learned it from the father or Moi or The King of Morocco I do not know. The other people you mentioned need political parties to climb to a position and then abandon them.
ODM is a movement with devoted supporters cutting across tribe. Watch Ahmednasir tell Koinange the same yesterday. As a party we have certain values that glue the membership together. Raila as President will know that any violation of these core values and he will be alone.
To start off with, let me clearly clarify that I personally believe Uhuruto is one of the worst things to ever happen to Kenya.
On my loathing for RAO, check my history in Jukwaa. When I first joined, I was one of the biggest supporters of RAO and in 2007 happily stood in line for hours to give him my precious vote. I had bought into his reformer nonsense.
What concerns me more is the choice we have for PORK come 2017. In my personal opinion, RAO is exactly the same as Uhuruto, no difference.
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There is a slight but crucial difference. Raila operates with / within the party. Whether he learned it from the father or Moi or The King of Morocco I do not know. The other people you mentioned need political parties to climb to a position and then abandon them.
ODM is a movement with devoted supporters cutting across tribe. Watch Ahmednasir tell Koinange the same yesterday. As a party we have certain values that glue the membership together. Raila as President will know that any violation of these core values and he will be alone.
Maybe.
I have nothing against the supporters of ODM. Like I mentioned, I was one of the most passionate supporters and almost had ODM tattooed on my chest.
My problem is whether the leadership of ODM truly believes in the values they keep churning out.
There's this exchange from the old series The West Wing which I've never forgotten:
Toby Ziegler: These guys [the Belorussians] have to walk out of here on Friday with a set of laws to take back home to Minsk.
Lawrence Lessig: Not a set of laws, a sense of the rule of law.
Toby Ziegler: You're saying the document is irrelevant?
Lawrence Lessig: No - I'm saying the document is just the beginning. A constitutional democracy succeeds only if the constitution reflects democratic values already alive in the citizenry.
I know just by looking at how each of the parties operate that the ODM leadership, just as with Jubilee's, don't have a sense of the rule of law.
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I have faced criticism for sharing photos from these rallies. I do not plan to stop any time soon. I was booted out of choo.com when some people over there could not reconcile the propaganda image of a dead CORD and the overwhelming turnout in these rallies. The messenger had to go.
I think here it is more like, "we are not used to this"
Please continue posting your photos. Nobody here has criticized you for that. But questions have been suggested for you and your CORD friends. Sensible questions, such as "how many of those showing up for th entertainment are registered to vote?", "are CORD leaders working at hard at voter registration as they are at dancing on the stage?", etc.
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To MoonKi
My instant survey indicates 99% of these people will vote cord. The 1% represents government officials and others on Eurobond.
You and the 99% have skipped a small but important step: registering to vote.
By the way, is anyone at all concerned that all those people apparently have nothing better to do in the middle of a weekday?
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Raila Our nation cannot be run on lies and empty promises. 2017 will be a turning point for Kenya
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Simanova, I didn't follow the rally and have absolutely no information on what the great leaders preached.
Anything at all about the IEBC reforms, like when they expect (want?) them to start or what the way forward is?
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The question is why Kenyan media ignored the rally. There is not a single word about it in The Nation.
Simanova, I didn't follow the rally and have absolutely no information on what the great leaders preached.
Anything at all about the IEBC reforms, like when they expect (want?) them to start or what the way forward is?
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The Coalition for Reforms and Democracy (CORD) wants the presidency to be rotated among different ethnic groups to allow other communities to get a chance to lead the country.
And to press for this, it promised to seek the support of others to ensure that leadership was diverse. CORD leader Raila Odinga and a host of legislators said that one way of ensuring that leaderships is rotated was to elect the opposition coalition
The leaders were addressing opposition supporters in Migori during the homecoming of Suna West MP Junet Mohammed. Machakos Senator Johnston Muthama told party supporters that one of the reasons he had had been summoned by the National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) last week was over his calls for rotational presidency.
Electoral reforms
In pressing for support for the opposition, Kitutu Masamba MP Timothy Bosire a Raila presidency from 2017 would mark the change to the cycle of leadership since independence.
“That is why we implore Kenyans to vote for Raila. It is then that the presidency can begin to rotate,” Mr Bosire said.
Speaking at the stadium, ODM Chairman John Mbadi, Siaya Senator James Orengo and MPs Timothy Bosire, Simba Arati, Opiyo Wandayi, TJ Kajwang’, Jakoyo Midiwo and women representatives Aisha Juma, Mishi Mboko, Florence Mutua, Gladys Wanga, Mishi Mboko said the opposition must sweep the votes and ensure Jubilee is vanquished in 2017.
Despite calls from the crowds to comment on some of the ODM members who have resigned from senior party positions, the leaders steered clear of the resignation of Ababu Namwamba and Paul Otuoma -- the party secretary general and vice chairman respectively.
A source told The Standard on Saturday that Raila had cautioned the MPs against talking about Mr Namwamba and Dr Otuoma as this would give them undue publicity. Busia Governor Sospeter Ojamong assured CORD of support from his constituents.
Raila was optimistic that CORD would clinch the presidency in 2017, saying he has support from the Luhya, Kisii, Kamba, Coast, North Eastern, and part of Rift Valley.
“Majority of Kenyans are behind CORD. I want our people to be confident that we will send Jubilee home. They have looted our country. They are liars who promised us heaven but have delivered nothing,” he said. He called on the parliamentary select committee on electoral reforms to fast-track the exercise to ensure Kenyans have new commissioners soon.
“The IEBC must go home. It is no longer whether they will go but when. We need a level playing field before 2017,” said Raila.
The former Prime Minister demanded for a new voters register, claiming that the current one had been doctored and included names of people who had died.
“We are not afraid of going to the political battle with Jubilee. What we want is a level playing field with a non-partisan referee.”
Raila welcomed Migori Governor Okoth Obado back to the party. Mr Obado contested the seat on a People Democratic party in 2013. The CORD leader promised that ODM nominations will be democratic.
“It will be the most democratic party primaries ever seen. Those interested in the seats should not fear anything. We will do early nominations and only most popular candidate will be given the ticket,” he said.
Raila admitted that the party had lost support as a result of the flawed nominations and vowed to ensure free, fair and transparent exercise. He urged ODM members to remain loyal to the party and welcome back defectors.
“I will respect the will of the people and work with whoever they choose,” he said.
Mr Mbadi said direct nominations would only apply in other zones other than party strongholds.
A section of CORD MPs asked National Assembly Speaker, Justin Muturi to obey the court order allowing Ugunja MP Opiyo Wandayi back to Parliament. “Mr Muturi is under obligation to respect the Judiciary, from next Tuesday when Parliament resumes, Mr Wandayi must go back to Parliament. He (Speaker) is not above the law,” said Mbadi.
Read more at: http://standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000207979/cord-calls-for-rotational-presidency-to-end-domination-of-two-tribes
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The question is why Kenyan media ignored the rally. There is not a single word about it in The Nation.
Nation did carry the story here: Raila fights to retain western Kenya backing (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Raila-fights-to-retain-western-Kenya-backing/-/1064/3286776/-/10leihn/-/index.html) along with a lovely picture of a massive (registered?) crowd.
Looks like there was no mention on the progress of replacing Hassan besides the obligatory “The IEBC must go home. It is no longer whether they will go but when. We need a level playing field before 2017,” said Raila, in either the Standard or the Daily Nation on the IEBC reforms.
Probably not a priority for the CORD honchos, eh?
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The Nation story is NOT about the rally. It is not even about Nyanza. It is about Western Province. It says Raila went to Nyanza to "fight for Western Province". The Nation is a tribal rag with no credibility. It is going to die of natural causes like The Weekly Review. Kenya has an unforgiving record when it comes to blatantly pro government media. Such media rake in billions from the government but lose popular following and then die.
The Nation will have to make a choice to be neutral again or like all loyal servants of despots, follow the GEMA government to its 2017 grave.
The question is why Kenyan media ignored the rally. There is not a single word about it in The Nation.
Nation did carry the story here: Raila fights to retain western Kenya backing (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Raila-fights-to-retain-western-Kenya-backing/-/1064/3286776/-/10leihn/-/index.html) along with a lovely picture of a massive (registered?) crowd.
Looks like there was no mention on the progress of replacing Hassan besides the obligatory “The IEBC must go home. It is no longer whether they will go but when. We need a level playing field before 2017,” said Raila, in either the Standard or the Daily Nation on the IEBC reforms.
Probably not a priority for the CORD honchos, eh?
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Raila admitted that the party had lost support as a result of the flawed nominations and vowed to ensure free, fair and transparent exercise. He urged ODM members to remain loyal to the party and welcome back defectors.
“I will respect the will of the people and work with whoever they choose,” he said.
It looks like people are finally starting to understand that riggings are ultimately counterproductive. That is a good sign.