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Title: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 06, 2016, 08:38:18 AM
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Controversial businessman Jacob Juma is dead. Juma was shot dead by unknown people while driving past Lenana School Thursday night.

Nairobi CID boss Ireri Kamwende said the businessman was driving from his bar at around 9.30pm when he was shot by gunmen who escaped on a motorbike.

His car had about 10 bullet holes.

The 42-year-old who ventured into business after studying at the University of Nairobi has been vocal on political issues and severally bashed the government.

He will be remembered for claiming his mining license was revoked after he allegedly declined to pay a bribe demanded by Former Mining Cabinet Secretary Najib Balala .

Balala termed the allegations as malicious.

The businessman also refused to apologise to Supreme Court judge Njoki Ndung’u for claiming she received money alongside Justice Philip Tunoi. Ndung’u refuted the claims.

Jacob Juma had also alleged Jubilee used over Sh250 billion of Eurobond money to refund all campaign cash allegedly used in the 2013 general election.

http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/05/06/businessman-jacob-juma-shot-dead_c1345629

This after he had tweeted these tweets on the Eurobond (I'm not suggesting there is a connection...the guy did tweet lot of BS at times):

(http://i66.tinypic.com/1zofgx2.png)

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2ir3vqh.png)
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 06, 2016, 11:00:25 AM
Regardless of what I may think of him, he was fearless to the point of being suicidal.  This is obviously an assassination.

Without any mention of a witness, the cops already know he was driving home from the bar, the killers were on a motorbike and they fled.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: mya88 on May 06, 2016, 03:35:29 PM
He predicted that this would happen to him but he was not willing to compromise. unfortunately, It is the reality we live in, people are willing to kill so easily for anything, life is not really worth much in Kenya......... will take men of this kind of courage for any tangible changes to be seen. RIP JJ. May your legacy be that you stood up for what you believed in, when many would not. You were a man of honor.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Georgesoros on May 06, 2016, 05:15:29 PM
Don't they have cameras all over?
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Nefertiti on May 06, 2016, 06:23:51 PM
RIP. Fighting corruption is suicidal. Is one Boniface Mwangi (OccupyPlayground) still around?
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 06, 2016, 07:16:56 PM
RIP. Fighting corruption is suicidal. Is one Boniface Mwangi (OccupyPlayground) still around?
Just like that the Kenyan has to look over his shoulder before he says something.  You know the police won't save you; they are not on your side.  They will conduct investigations while you rot.

It's times like this that someone might whisper to Kabura about the sense of withdrawing her affidavit and cut her losses. 
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Omollo on May 06, 2016, 10:14:52 PM
When a person from the Opposition side says "My life is in danger" the Kenya Police invariably order him to "write a statement". The said order is worded in a style and manner that is punitive and intended to degrade. Online robots jump at the person as if on cue to pillory, attack and denigrate the individual as no mongrels would. It is usually so coordinated I sometimes wonder!

Rather than seriously looking in to the expressed fear, the police singularly focus of finding fault with the person. The Police Inspector General, Nkaissery - The Sponge - and Duale - The Busy Body - all have one refrain and chorus: The Police are investigating. Few are left with any doubt that it is a cover-up. The so called investigation is usually a preamble for charging the person with "giving false information...".

Juma can be "grateful" that his many alarms have turned out to be true and unlike Midiwo, he won't be appearing in any court to answer charges of providing false information to the Police. For in Kenya, a person claiming to be about to be killed must as a rule die first rather than report something hypothetical.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 06, 2016, 11:17:12 PM
When a person from the Opposition side says "My life is in danger" the Kenya Police invariably order him to "write a statement". The said order is worded in a style and manner that is punitive and intended to degrade. Online robots jump at the person as if on cue to pillory, attack and denigrate the individual as no mongrels would. It is usually so coordinated I sometimes wonder!

Rather than seriously looking in to the expressed fear, the police singularly focus of finding fault with the person. The Police Inspector General, Nkaissery - The Sponge - and Duale - The Busy Body - all have one refrain and chorus: The Police are investigating. Few are left with any doubt that it is a cover-up. The so called investigation is usually a preamble for charging the person with "giving false information...".

Juma can be "grateful" that his many alarms have turned out to be true and unlike Midiwo, he won't be appearing in any court to answer charges of providing false information to the Police. For in Kenya, a person claiming to be about to be killed must as a rule die first rather than report something hypothetical.

I can get information on how Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Venus Williams, and others made their money.

All I know about Juma is that he was a billionaire businessman with "connections".

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12794385_10209678870116931_8319385667741329765_n.jpg?oh=0efb3a8e5584873d0407292e01e36cd8&oe=575FD804)

Careful: I'm not supporting his killing or any killing whatsoever.

Juma was not a saint.

George Bernard Shaw — 'Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Omollo on May 07, 2016, 11:04:29 PM
I have reviewed the posts under this and see nowhere anyone has claimed deity status for Jacob Juma.

I think you are being rather disingenuous with your apparent neutrality on the subject. Let me help you understand where some of us are coming from:


I can get information on how Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Venus Williams, and others made their money.

All I know about Juma is that he was a billionaire businessman with "connections".

Careful: I'm not supporting his killing or any killing whatsoever.

Juma was not a saint.

George Bernard Shaw — 'Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 08, 2016, 07:36:03 AM
(http://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/articles/2016/05/07/1345847.jpg)

It would appear JJ did not have too much blood.  I have seen a bloodier mess left behind by a nose bleed. 

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Juma was shot seven times in the head and three times in the chest as he joined the Southern by-pass.

http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/05/07/jacob-jumas-head-had-seven-bullet-wounds_c1346050 (http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/05/07/jacob-jumas-head-had-seven-bullet-wounds_c1346050)
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 08, 2016, 10:40:26 AM
I have reviewed the posts under this and see nowhere anyone has claimed deity status for Jacob Juma.

I think you are being rather disingenuous with your apparent neutrality on the subject. Let me help you understand where some of us are coming from:

  • Whether demi-god or human Juma had certain constitutional rights which have been grossly violated
  • I have no idea how anybody made "his/her billions" in Kenya. Do you? If so help me know where Uhuru Kenyatta got the billions he used to rig elections in his favor; Educate me on how Ruto, Muthaura, General Ali etc made theirs. It could help if you attached some document, say a summary of their tax returns over the period of money making. I could personally just accept a simple Wealth Declaration Form which they all did at some point
  • Juma reached out to the public as he feared for his life. We have a police force in the country and overpaid CIDs. How is it that he still got killed? Who gets body guards from the Police? Is it based on actual security risks or is it for prestige which is punitively withdrawn from those who annoy Uhuru Kenyatta?
  • Juma is not the first person to die in a hail of bullets in Kenya or Nairobi for that matter. If the government of Uhuru Kenyatta is not behind these killings why is there no serious attempt to find out who is behind these apparently well trained killers who can spray bullets to  a small area no bigger than the screen of your computer despite the vehicle moving at a very fast speed? Doesn't Uhuru worry that the same squad could hit him? Why the silence?




I'd met Juma a couple of times through an acquaintance. Arrogant SOB whom I disliked but in my opinion being a SOB doesn't necessitate killing him. Others definitely had a different opinion. Juma had antagonized too many people in a bandit country (for example he conned someone in a "deal" involving 5 acres hived from 27 acres of NHIF land at Karen Plains currently valued at about $3m). Pinpointing exactly why he was killed and by who is gonna be impossible.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Omollo on May 08, 2016, 01:29:22 PM

  • Agreed.
  • Like Juma, Uhuru, Raila, Kalonzo, Ruto, etc all made their money in dubious ways. None of them has any traceable documents to support their wealth, as you rightly noted. In my personal opinion based on basic common sense, they are all thieves involved in grand corruption.
  • I doubt we'll ever know the full story. Professional killings in Kenya tend to be quickly forgotten.
  • Remember, correlation does not imply causation. Just because Uhuruto doesn't seem to give a sh*t about Juma's killing doesn't mean they did it. Probably could also mean they simply don't care.
    Or maybe even CORD did it. They seem to have taken his untimely demise rather quietly.
    Speculation is rife that Juma was killed due to one of his deals gone sour. Speculation which I tend to believe.

I'd met Juma a couple of times through an acquaintance. Arrogant SOB whom I disliked but in my opinion being a SOB doesn't necessitate killing him. Others definitely had a different opinion. Juma had antagonized too many people in a bandit country (for example he conned someone in a "deal" involving 5 acres hived from 27 acres of NHIF land at Karen Plains currently valued at about $3m). Pinpointing exactly why he was killed and by who is gonna be impossible.
I am glad that we agree on some of the points.

However you still make some claims that I find little or no cover for:

Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 08, 2016, 02:29:56 PM
I am glad that we agree on some of the points.

However you still make some claims that I find little or no cover for:

  • CORD is not obligated to react with a specific amount of din or cacophony. You are falling in to the famous Kendi trap (of the Vehemence Barometer fame) of trying to measure what cannot be calibrated. If you come up with a standardized measure of the levels and degrees of grief, specifying which is optimum for a Slain Billionaire, I will lead the campaign to name it after you :D
  • That said, I believe you have not been reading the news. CORD has been on this from the first hour. Raila, Wetangula, Kalonzo, Khalwale etc have made enough noise to burst any Empedocles Grief Barometer
  • While I concur the methods employed by Juma, Uhuru to enrich themselves cannot stand koroboi light, leave alone ordinary sunlight, I would be happier if you treated all the thieves the same way and with equal contempt
  • I agree that professional hits or unsolved assassinations are piling up. Is this a situation that should continue? Why are you not holding "President" Uhuru Kenyatta to account for this? How come EJK has risen on his watch? Who is next, Raila?
  • I note that you have not withdrawn your earlier statement that "Juma was no saint" - a remark I found heartless, unsympathetic and just callous in the extreme!
  • If we had to repeat versions of the speculation out there, there would be no room here.

Look, you can live in your fantasy world where all our so-called "leaders" use dubious means to enrich themselves while, glaring, omitting Raila.

I, thank you very much, am pragmatic, not an idealist and do accept the fact that we're living in a criminally run country, where all the elites, in one way or another, are thugs in suit.

CORD's muted response to the killing of Juma, as compared to say when Kajwang was supposedly "wasted", speaks volumes. CORD is, in my opinion, very happily latching onto the killing of Juma for political mileage and to continue attacking Jubilee (just as ODM tried by insinuating that Fidel, a nice guy, was assassinated).


The enemy of my enemy is my friend? Bullsh*t! What if your enemy's enemy is a lowdown thug? Does that make him a knight in shining armor? Even in death? I find both Jubilee and CORD absolutely revolting (throw in Wiper and most of the other alphabet soup parties we have into the mix) but CORD takes the biggest slice of cake in the Juma incident.

Nevertheless, I do respect your opinion even though I don't agree with it at all and respect your right to air it, just as I would expect you to respect mine.

My opinion of Juma still stands; he wasn't a saint, had engaged in many dirty deals and went out of his way to antagonize very many people!
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: MOON Ki on May 08, 2016, 02:58:55 PM
Wow.   The fellow apparently had no shortage of wild allegations.  But, this being Kenya, he undoubtedly had an audience for his stuff.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Omollo on May 08, 2016, 04:18:51 PM
Empedocles

While we are speculating (Emphasis borrowed from you) here is my contribution:

1. The Uhuru-Kenyatta-Death-Squads killed Jacob Juma on the instructions of Uhuru Kenyatta;
2. The well established and incontrovertible fact that Paul Kobia publicly confessed to murdering Fidel Odinga indicated that a hidden hand had procured the murder. My suspicions land on Uhuru Kenyatta or the mother

On your post:

Nowhere have I protected or made infallible any individual. I therefore find it surprising that you would accuse me of placing Raila above suspicion. It boils down to what I said in the beginning when I doubted your sincerity.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 08, 2016, 06:08:47 PM
Empedocles

While we are speculating (Emphasis borrowed from you) here is my contribution:

1. The Uhuru-Kenyatta-Death-Squads killed Jacob Juma on the instructions of Uhuru Kenyatta;
2. The well established and incontrovertible fact that Paul Kobia publicly confessed to murdering Fidel Odinga indicated that a hidden hand had procured the murder. My suspicions land on Uhuru Kenyatta or the mother

On your post:

Nowhere have I protected or made infallible any individual. I therefore find it surprising that you would accuse me of placing Raila above suspicion. It boils down to what I said in the beginning when I doubted your sincerity.

I, on the other hand, have no doubts on the lack your impartiality.

Juma could have been killed by either:

1. Thugs (doubtful, I admit).
2. Fellows which whom he had "business" dealings.
3. Uhuruto.
4. CORD (also doubtful, I admit).
5. Jealous competitors who wanted to take over his businesses.
7. POTUS due to the Eurobond debacle (doubtful, I admit).
6. Etc.

I have no idea who killed him but like you I'm willing to speculate but I'm not 100% sure and I don't even believe the security forces are even interested.

So what makes you 100% sure that Uhuruto had him killed? You have evidence?

Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 08, 2016, 11:13:09 PM
Empedocles,

There are many possible motives.  The police narrative however seems to narrow them dramatically for me.  They seem to have very specific information when they describe the killing.  But very thin on the source of this information.  I am almost certain it is going to get even more surprising in the coming days.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Georgesoros on May 09, 2016, 05:22:24 AM
COLD CASE.. Just like J.M Kariuki, Mboya, etc..
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 09, 2016, 04:16:33 PM
Empedocles,

There are many possible motives.  The police narrative however seems to narrow them dramatically for me.  They seem to have very specific information when they describe the killing.  But very thin on the source of this information.  I am almost certain it is going to get even more surprising in the coming days.

Very very true about many possible motives.

What I have learned is that in Kenya, not every single assination is political, as much as the political leaders try to spin it. For example:

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Man in Sh95m land case gunned down

1. Paul Ngugi Kariuki slowed down at a bump when the gunmen shot him at close range.
2. Police suspect the attackers were after the businessman as nothing was stolen from the two.
3. Records at the City Mortuary indicated that Mr Kariuki’s body had two bullets in his lower right abdomen, two on his neck, one in his chest and another in his right arm. He was also found with Sh23,010 and a KRA staff card and other personal belongings.
4. The shooting brings to 20 the number of people killed under mysterious circumstances in Nairobi alone in the recent past.

Source: http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/Nairobi-businessman-shot-15-times-gunmen/-/1954174/2643102/-/cty54n/-/index.html

What I'm trying to say is simply not automatically assume that Juma's was a politically motivated assassination. There have been too many assassination in Kenya over mega-million deals gone sour. Very many. A Mbo-I-Kamiti director's life span is measured is weeks, from the day they first assume office.

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Mbo-i-Kamiti deaths revisited

The Godfather, a blockbuster movie about the Mafia settling scores, cannot be bloodier than the history of the Mbo-i-Kamiti land-buying company.

Since its inception, six directors have been killed in cold blood, not to mention other officials like accountants and lawyers. Now elders think the venture was cursed right from the beginning.

Founded in 1971, Mbo-i-Kamiti Farmers’ Company in Kiambu, was worth over Sh4 billion in the 1980s and 1990s before greed set in.

The company was set up to settle farmhands who had worked on white settler farms and widows of Mau Mau freedom fighters. Each member contributed Sh500.

But money, power, and greed hit the company. Directors looted the company’s assets, dashing the hopes of its more than 8,000 shareholders.

Then there followed the killing of directors in circumstances said to be linked to leadership rivalries, competition for control of assets, and efforts to cover up fraud.

The gangland-style murder of former company chairman, Stephen Waweru Njenga, last November was the latest in a list of former Mbo-i-Kamiti directors.

Even outside Nairobi, assassinations are the order of the day, when business deals go sour:

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Cattle raiding in Kenya is often viewed in the legitimizing context of tradition, climate change and resource conflict, but increasingly it has much more to do with organized crime meeting a rising demand for meat, and political violence resulting from a new devolutionary constitution.

The human cost of raids is immense: hundreds are killed every year and many thousands forcibly displaced.

Two sources within the Anti-Stock Theft Unit, a division of the Kenya police charged with preventing cattle theft, told IRIN that an estimated 580 people were killed between January 2012 and January 2014 as a result of cattle raids.

Source: http://www.irinnews.org/report/99846/cattle-rustling-and-politics-business-kenya

And one more:

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Nairobi-based lawyer Geoffrey Oriaro was found dead Wednesday morning in a swimming pool at a Mombasa hotel.

The lawyer’s body was discovered by a pool attendant at the Beach Seafront Chalet Hotel at 4.30am.

A member of the lawyer's family, who did not want to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter, said the body was at the Pandya Memorial Hospital mortuary awaiting a post-mortem examination.

Mr Oriaro filed a petition that led to the ouster of Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) chairman Mumo Matemu and his deputy, Irene Keino.

He had argued that the two were incapable of leading the war on corruption.

Source: http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Geoffrey-Oriaro-dead-pool-Mombasa-hotel/-/1056/2838692/-/c157ycz/-/index.html

I rest my case.

Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 09, 2016, 04:36:10 PM
Empedocles,

There are many possible motives.  The police narrative however seems to narrow them dramatically for me.  They seem to have very specific information when they describe the killing.  But very thin on the source of this information.  I am almost certain it is going to get even more surprising in the coming days.

Very very true about many possible motives.

What I have learned is that in Kenya, not every single assination is political, as much as the political leaders try to spin it. For example:

Quote
Man in Sh95m land case gunned down

1. Paul Ngugi Kariuki slowed down at a bump when the gunmen shot him at close range.
2. Police suspect the attackers were after the businessman as nothing was stolen from the two.
3. Records at the City Mortuary indicated that Mr Kariuki’s body had two bullets in his lower right abdomen, two on his neck, one in his chest and another in his right arm. He was also found with Sh23,010 and a KRA staff card and other personal belongings.
4. The shooting brings to 20 the number of people killed under mysterious circumstances in Nairobi alone in the recent past.

Source: http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/Nairobi-businessman-shot-15-times-gunmen/-/1954174/2643102/-/cty54n/-/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/nairobi/Nairobi-businessman-shot-15-times-gunmen/-/1954174/2643102/-/cty54n/-/index.html)

What I'm trying to say is simply not automatically assume that Juma's was a politically motivated assassination. There have been too many assassination in Kenya over mega-million deals gone sour. Very many. A Mbo-I-Kamiti director's life span is measured is weeks, from the day they first assume office.

Quote
Mbo-i-Kamiti deaths revisited

The Godfather, a blockbuster movie about the Mafia settling scores, cannot be bloodier than the history of the Mbo-i-Kamiti land-buying company.

Since its inception, six directors have been killed in cold blood, not to mention other officials like accountants and lawyers. Now elders think the venture was cursed right from the beginning.

Founded in 1971, Mbo-i-Kamiti Farmers’ Company in Kiambu, was worth over Sh4 billion in the 1980s and 1990s before greed set in.

The company was set up to settle farmhands who had worked on white settler farms and widows of Mau Mau freedom fighters. Each member contributed Sh500.

But money, power, and greed hit the company. Directors looted the company’s assets, dashing the hopes of its more than 8,000 shareholders.

Then there followed the killing of directors in circumstances said to be linked to leadership rivalries, competition for control of assets, and efforts to cover up fraud.

The gangland-style murder of former company chairman, Stephen Waweru Njenga, last November was the latest in a list of former Mbo-i-Kamiti directors.

Even outside Nairobi, assassinations are the order of the day, when business deals go sour:

Quote
Cattle raiding in Kenya is often viewed in the legitimizing context of tradition, climate change and resource conflict, but increasingly it has much more to do with organized crime meeting a rising demand for meat, and political violence resulting from a new devolutionary constitution.

The human cost of raids is immense: hundreds are killed every year and many thousands forcibly displaced.

Two sources within the Anti-Stock Theft Unit, a division of the Kenya police charged with preventing cattle theft, told IRIN that an estimated 580 people were killed between January 2012 and January 2014 as a result of cattle raids.

Source: http://www.irinnews.org/report/99846/cattle-rustling-and-politics-business-kenya (http://www.irinnews.org/report/99846/cattle-rustling-and-politics-business-kenya)

And one more:

Quote
Nairobi-based lawyer Geoffrey Oriaro was found dead Wednesday morning in a swimming pool at a Mombasa hotel.

The lawyer’s body was discovered by a pool attendant at the Beach Seafront Chalet Hotel at 4.30am.

A member of the lawyer's family, who did not want to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter, said the body was at the Pandya Memorial Hospital mortuary awaiting a post-mortem examination.

Mr Oriaro filed a petition that led to the ouster of Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission (EACC) chairman Mumo Matemu and his deputy, Irene Keino.

He had argued that the two were incapable of leading the war on corruption.

Source: http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Geoffrey-Oriaro-dead-pool-Mombasa-hotel/-/1056/2838692/-/c157ycz/-/index.html (http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Geoffrey-Oriaro-dead-pool-Mombasa-hotel/-/1056/2838692/-/c157ycz/-/index.html)

I rest my case.


I would also throw in George Muchai.  Maybe Yebei.  I agree not every assassination is political.  For Jacob Juma the possibilities could range from infidelity to a state House ordered elimination. 

We know in Kenya such murders are never solved.  A hit is a hit.  There is an omerta code about it. 

Following the police investigator's mouth narrative can be intriguing though. 

I am learning now for instance that the latest one now has Juma's car being forced to stop(not slow down) off the road.  Shooters open fire but bullets ricochet off the bullet proof windows.  Shooters hammer the windows in with a hammer and only then finally eliminate him...a little different from the initial narrative.  All naratives without a single mention of an eye witness.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: veritas on May 09, 2016, 06:30:27 PM
It's political. Hallmarks of state sponsored killing. Private mercenaries are subtle like accidents and avoid the limelight.

Warning about Eurobond.

He drove a bulletproof vehicle and carried a gun. If someone is hammering your window you drive off or at least honk and shoot back.

A professional assassin would've shot him before he got in the car. Someone close to him was likely involved.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: MOON Ki on May 09, 2016, 07:49:56 PM
It certainly appears that he was assassinated over something, but I doubt that it was Eurobond.   His claims in that regard are so absurd that they cannot be taken seriously.   
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 09, 2016, 10:20:09 PM
The W140 Mercedes model S320 he drove was not bulletproof.

The windows of the W140 came with double pane glazed for sound insulation which many wrongly assume are bulletproof (for the sake of Veritas, I don't want to post the pictures of Juma's car here).  The bulletproof model was offered on the S600 (6L engine) only as the S320's M104 3.2L engine was too weak for the massive additional weight.

But I do agree, where it (supposedly?) happened and the circumstances are odd (Ngong road is rather busy, even at 9:30pm on a Thursday night). That no witnesses have shown up? Nobody supposedly heard the 10 (!) shots.

We know in Kenya such murders are never solved.  A hit is a hit.

Yet another one hit, just today:

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Police in Kayole are investigating an incident where a couple was brutally killed by unknown people.

Nairobi CID boss Ireri Kamwende said the criminals chopped off the breasts of the primary school teacher and mutilated her husband's genitals.

The couple was discovered dead at their rented house in Matopeni estate in Kayole this afternoon.

Kamwende said the body of Ruth Mbuthia, 55, was discovered in a pool of blood alongside her 60 year-old husband Stanley Muiruri.

Neighbor's reported to the police after they failed to see the couple for the better part of yesterday.

Police are yet to establish the motive of the heinous crime as nothing was stolen from their home.

Source: http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/05/09/kayole-woman-and-husband-brutally-murdered-genitals-chopped_c1347568
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: MOON Ki on May 10, 2016, 02:02:53 AM
If someone is hammering your window you drive off or at least honk and shoot back.

Inspector Clouseau, with the kind of "deep insight" that only he understands, started his investigations right there:

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Mr Nyuguto appeared to make matters worse when he said that investigators would test the late businessman’s blood to establish whether he had been intoxicated with any substance that could have hindered his ability to drive.

“You find [that in] most of the incidents of this nature, somebody could have been drunk so that maybe when they’re caught, they don’t drive quickly or whatever,” he told the gathering.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/relatives-confront-police-for-failing-to-secure-Jumas-vehicle/-/1056/3194752/-/1h0xrxz/-/index.html

The next step is to leave no stone unturned ... if a stone can be found.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: veritas on May 10, 2016, 05:26:06 AM
His vehicle was bulletproof. If it wasn't bulletproof they would have shot the window instead of "hammering" it. It's not the first time he's been shot at or held at gun point. It's like they're trying to explain for the lack of shells.

He wasn't some lonely SOB intoxicated at 9PM screaming obscenities at some outskirt pub among strangers. He was with people he knew.

In normal circumstances, he would've been rushed to the hospital, given the busy area, lack of blood loss, lack of shells.

He may have been poisoned or given a rufie beforehand hence the toxicology report.

Eurobond absurd? You're joking. You obviously don't know the half of it.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Georgesoros on May 10, 2016, 03:08:46 PM
There are so many conflicting stories about how he was killed that its impossible to capture the story in detail. This was a JM Kariuki look alike killing. He knew too much that he had to go.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: MOON Ki on May 10, 2016, 03:24:00 PM
Eurobond absurd? You're joking. You obviously don't know the half of it.

Well, why don't you tell me the half of it.   As far as I can tell, what he knew about Eurobond etc. just  slightly exceeds what my dog knows---and that's only because my dog can't  read or otherwise follow media stories.    Where he definitely beat my dog is in Fantasy & Lurid Tales.

His death at the hands of criminals is reprehensible, as is any such death.   But this idea that the guy, with his somewhat dodgy background,  was some Great Anti-Corruption Fighter or somehow "adding value" to the well-being of the nation!
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 10, 2016, 04:34:20 PM
Eurobond absurd? You're joking. You obviously don't know the half of it.
Well, why don't you tell me the half of it.   As far as I can tell, what he know about Eurobond etc. just  slightly exceeds what my dog knows---and that's only because my dog can't  read or otherwise follow media stories.    Where he definitely beat my dog is in Fantasy & Lurid Tales.

His death at the hands of criminals is reprehensible, as is any such death.   But this idea that the guy, with his somewhat dodgy background,  was some Great Anti-Corruption Fighter or somehow "adding value" to the well-being of the nation!

To be fair, the man seems to have been the first or one of the first to raise a stink about the Eurobond affair.  His problem is a strong affinity for hyperbole giving the impression that he knows more than what is in the public domain.  I have noticed similar exaggerations and outright falsehoods coming from Sarah Elderkin.

Juma probably felt he needed to embellish Eurobond saga to get some attention.  I am assuming that if he said the accurate truth that there is no authentic confirmation that money moved from the Sovereign Bond to the Consolidated Fund, nobody apart from the treasury mandarins would pay any attention.  There is no drama.  That is normal stealing.

Conversely it could also be just a character flaw. 

Raila also suffers the same problem; just recently he claimed JJ had 18 bullets in his head, even though he was among the first to view the body.

One has to believe the police are fine with the conflicting reports surrounding his death.  Otherwise they would put out an official account and stick with.  At this point I would not be surprised if it turns out that someone wrung his neck and smeared a small amount of chicken blood in his car.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: veritas on May 10, 2016, 06:08:12 PM
RAO always has evidence. The mzee might be nutty but when it comes to political foresight, he relies on eyes and ears everywhere.

Eurobond in Kenya's case involved bribing the ICC to drop charges against Kenyatta. The same names are presently involved with other malicious intents around the globe. I guess with time these things will be exposed.

MK, people can't handle truths, at least not all at once.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: MOON Ki on May 10, 2016, 06:55:19 PM
Eurobond in Kenya's case involved bribing the ICC to drop charges against Kenyatta.

It appears that Rotich & Co might go for another Eurobond.    Presumably that one's for the UN Security Council---to make sure that the cases stay dead (given that they were terminated "without prejudice" for a restart).

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MK, people can't handle truths, at least not all at once.

Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 10, 2016, 10:14:20 PM
The IMF has given the Eurobond a clean bill of health:

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IMF backs Treasury on Eurobond cash details

Kenya accounted for the Sh280 billion ($2.8 billion) Eurobond cash in the same manner that other countries do, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said Tuesday in a response to queries raised by the Opposition Cord Coalition.

IMF first deputy managing director David Lipton said that the cash was moved to the Central Bank’s accounts and then put at the disposal of the government to spend.

“The cash was held at the Central Bank of Kenya accounts and then the government was granted access. It was put at the disposal of the government to use. It is same method used by other countries that raise money in that manner,” said Mr Lipton.

The Sh280 billion has become a matter of considerable controversy with the Opposition arguing that the money was diverted and misused by some key figures in government.

More: http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/IMF-backs-Treasury-on-Eurobond-cash-details/-/539552/3198352/-/o2on19z/-/index.html
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Georgesoros on May 10, 2016, 10:38:43 PM
Then why is Juma DEAD!!
He had the details and as such he lost his life.

The IMF has given the Eurobond a clean bill of health:

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IMF backs Treasury on Eurobond cash details

Kenya accounted for the Sh280 billion ($2.8 billion) Eurobond cash in the same manner that other countries do, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said Tuesday in a response to queries raised by the Opposition Cord Coalition.

IMF first deputy managing director David Lipton said that the cash was moved to the Central Bank’s accounts and then put at the disposal of the government to spend.

“The cash was held at the Central Bank of Kenya accounts and then the government was granted access. It was put at the disposal of the government to use. It is same method used by other countries that raise money in that manner,” said Mr Lipton.

The Sh280 billion has become a matter of considerable controversy with the Opposition arguing that the money was diverted and misused by some key figures in government.

More: http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/IMF-backs-Treasury-on-Eurobond-cash-details/-/539552/3198352/-/o2on19z/-/index.html
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 10, 2016, 11:12:54 PM
Then why is Juma DEAD!!
He had the details and as such he lost his life.

The IMF has given the Eurobond a clean bill of health:

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IMF backs Treasury on Eurobond cash details

Kenya accounted for the Sh280 billion ($2.8 billion) Eurobond cash in the same manner that other countries do, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said Tuesday in a response to queries raised by the Opposition Cord Coalition.

IMF first deputy managing director David Lipton said that the cash was moved to the Central Bank’s accounts and then put at the disposal of the government to spend.

“The cash was held at the Central Bank of Kenya accounts and then the government was granted access. It was put at the disposal of the government to use. It is same method used by other countries that raise money in that manner,” said Mr Lipton.

The Sh280 billion has become a matter of considerable controversy with the Opposition arguing that the money was diverted and misused by some key figures in government.

More: http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/IMF-backs-Treasury-on-Eurobond-cash-details/-/539552/3198352/-/o2on19z/-/index.html (http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/IMF-backs-Treasury-on-Eurobond-cash-details/-/539552/3198352/-/o2on19z/-/index.html)
It's hard to say why Jacob Juma is dead.  If he were less colorful, that might be an easy conclusion to make. 

The interesting party, me thinks, is the Auditor General.  Maybe he should take the IMF's tabulations and use them to finalize his special audit.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: MOON Ki on May 11, 2016, 12:31:50 AM
The IMF has given the Eurobond a clean bill of health:

I would not necessarily say that.   (Note that this does not imply that I believe the money was necessarily stolen.)  This statement

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“The cash was held at the Central Bank of Kenya accounts and then the government was granted access. It was put at the disposal of the government to use. It is same method used by other countries that raise money in that manner,” said Mr Lipton.

is carefully worded and actually tells us very little.   That is because all the offshore accounts in the story are in fact CBK accounts, and the money was always "at the disposal of ...".     
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 11, 2016, 03:58:01 AM
The IMF has given the Eurobond a clean bill of health:

I would not necessarily say that.   (Note that this does not imply that I believe the money was necessarily stolen.)  This statement

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“The cash was held at the Central Bank of Kenya accounts and then the government was granted access. It was put at the disposal of the government to use. It is same method used by other countries that raise money in that manner,” said Mr Lipton.

is carefully worded and actually tells us very little.   That is because all the offshore accounts in the story are in fact CBK accounts, and the money was always "at the disposal of ...".     
That is true.  From their side all systems are go.  They see the money go into the blackbox and they are happy as clams.  The rest are internal details which concern the furiously working auditor general, and one would think Kenyans in general. 

Ag's annual report is almost six months overdue.  His special audit, its already been months and counting.  If the Eurobond was handled properly, he is not in a hurry to give it a clean bill of health.  Maybe he is working for Raila as alleged elsewhere on the forum.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 11, 2016, 10:02:22 AM
The IMF has given the Eurobond a clean bill of health:

I would not necessarily say that.   (Note that this does not imply that I believe the money was necessarily stolen.)  This statement

Quote
“The cash was held at the Central Bank of Kenya accounts and then the government was granted access. It was put at the disposal of the government to use. It is same method used by other countries that raise money in that manner,” said Mr Lipton.

is carefully worded and actually tells us very little.   That is because all the offshore accounts in the story are in fact CBK accounts, and the money was always "at the disposal of ...".     

Agreed.

Here's another "interesting" theory on why Juma was targeted (has to due with melamine laced Brookside milk):

https://komboakenya.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/why-they-killed-jacob-juma/

Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: veritas on May 11, 2016, 10:22:09 AM
They've done much worse than that. Kenyans don't buy milk or shop for groceries aside from kiosks. Most stuff at Nakumatt are out of date and laced with harmful chemicals especially dairy produce. Those melamine milk tin scares from China ended up in Kenya. Want not, waste not. When I was in Kenya I used to get my cheese, icecream etc. from the Eldoret cheese factory. Melamine is a first world scare.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 11, 2016, 11:55:15 AM
They've done much worse than that. Kenyans don't buy milk or shop for groceries aside from kiosks. Most stuff at Nakumatt are out of date and laced with harmful chemicals especially dairy produce. Those melamine milk tin scares from China ended up in Kenya. Want not, waste not. When I was in Kenya I used to get my cheese, icecream etc. from the Eldoret cheese factory. Melamine is a first world scare.

Oh boy.

I don't know what to say.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 11, 2016, 11:58:43 AM
The IMF has given the Eurobond a clean bill of health:

I would not necessarily say that.   (Note that this does not imply that I believe the money was necessarily stolen.)  This statement

Quote
“The cash was held at the Central Bank of Kenya accounts and then the government was granted access. It was put at the disposal of the government to use. It is same method used by other countries that raise money in that manner,” said Mr Lipton.

is carefully worded and actually tells us very little.   That is because all the offshore accounts in the story are in fact CBK accounts, and the money was always "at the disposal of ...".     

Agreed.

Here's another "interesting" theory on why Juma was targeted (has to due with melamine laced Brookside milk):

https://komboakenya.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/why-they-killed-jacob-juma/


It's so outlandish you have to assume it is a jubilant masterpiece.  The aim?  To paint Jacob Juma as someone you cannot take seriously(at all), even as police keep coming up with ever more bizzare theories how he was murdered.

JJ's latest "revelations" were nonsense.  The stuff of hallucinations.  But the man was also a real thorn in the flesh of William Ruto.  To pick a random exampe, Weston.

Why do I think it's jubilant literature? Because no one has been arrested or indicted.  It's illegal in Kenya; ole Kaparo, CID and Kenyan courts would have been on the author like white on rice. 

That is the kind of literature that was consumed and washed down with banana beer in Rwanda pre-1994.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 11, 2016, 12:05:39 PM
It's so outlandish you have to assume it is a jubilant masterpiece.  The aim?  To paint Jacob Juma as someone you cannot take seriously(at all), even as police keep coming up with ever more bizzare theories how he was murdered.

JJ's latest "revelations" were nonsense.  The stuff of hallucinations.  But the man was also a real thorn in the flesh of William Ruto.  To pick a random exampe, Weston.

Why do I think it's jubilant literature? Because no one has been arrested or indicted.  It's illegal in Kenya; ole Kaparo, CID and Kenyan courts would have been on the author like white on rice. 

That is the kind of literature that was consumed and washed down with banana beer in Rwanda pre-1994.

There is so much BS floating around the net from bloggers it'll be a full time job policing them and the resources are stolen in any case.

Ever try and read from someone like Mugo wa Wairimu (https://www.facebook.com/afyaprestige?fref=ts) (the suspected rapist), who also has outlandish things to say on behalf of Jubilee?

Both sides of the political divide have nutcases constantly blogging nonsense.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 11, 2016, 12:16:49 PM
Clearly this was a cold blooded murder of a loud gov critic cum conman and gov ought to investigate this speedily and professionally like they should for every kenyan killed...but especially one that had named top gov offiical wanting him dead. The family too should engage private investigators.

Speculation of who did it? Why they did it? And how they did it?  There are so many angles considering his double/triple lifes...it could have been Jubilee gov or some politician or  business deal gone sore or international hitmen considering he was proxy for some in the minning sector or even his wife.

We need to wait for police investigators first. They did a fairly quick job on Kabete Mp so I say give them some flak for now.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 17, 2016, 09:50:04 PM
Inspector Clouseau's latest. 

Scratched:  The AP's, hammers on bullet proof windows, motorcycle assassins. 

Added: Several persons, of no specific description, interviewed who may have communicated with him.  Also, a woman.  They see her on CCTV in Juma's car between 7:34 pm and 8:14 pm.  They talk to her.  She confirms she met Jacob Juma at lunch and had agreed to meet him later that evening. 

Also a list of pending cases under investigations or in court.  It would appear that Jacob Juma may have threatened to kill Fred Gumo over 14.8 million, was threatened to be killed by Brian Yongo, may have forged documents related to Kidero, may have been otherwise an asshole.

What is not clear: Have they talked to Jacob Juma's wife yet?  She says she called his phone several times that night.

It is not clear from the report if the, said woman actually confirms meeting with Juma that evening, even though it appears to be the case on CCTV.  Only that she meets him at lunch and agrees to meet him later.  Did she confirm meeting him later?

This woman would be the last person they know to have seen Juma alive.  Are there more important things they can learn from this woman, apart from the fact that she met him at lunch and agreed to meet him later?  Is she helping the police with investigations?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cip2bCpWgAAa0KX.jpg:large)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cip2bHpWkAAKLl5.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: MOON Ki on May 17, 2016, 10:26:58 PM
Interesting.   So they are on the scene on the night of May 5, and do this and that.    Then they don't get back to it until May 10?   Anyways ... they made up for it with numbers: 27 officers.   

And the pending cases are important because?   Ah, OK; we need a list of suspects. But in the second case Yongo, what on earth is the meaning of "the court had moved and was due to visit the scene of the crime".
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 18, 2016, 07:41:04 AM
Seem pretty solid preliminary report by the cops. And seem the camera that Safaricom/Huwaei installed are working. Our cops certainly have improved their investigative capacity. Hopefully they can get the homicide/forsenic lab finally out there.Folks need to cease baseless theories and let the cops do their job. So far so good. They have Juma just few minutes before he dies. Should be pretty easy to weed out the cars that drove through Ngong/Southern By-pass by around 9..and perhaps the cars that were trailing or monitoring him around those areas. Safaricom also can easily provide call data for those communicating around the area...which I don't think is that populated.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 18, 2016, 04:51:39 PM
Seem pretty solid preliminary report by the cops. And seem the camera that Safaricom/Huwaei installed are working. Our cops certainly have improved their investigative capacity. Hopefully they can get the homicide/forsenic lab finally out there.Folks need to cease baseless theories and let the cops do their job. So far so good. They have Juma just few minutes before he dies. Should be pretty easy to weed out the cars that drove through Ngong/Southern By-pass by around 9..and perhaps the cars that were trailing or monitoring him around those areas. Safaricom also can easily provide call data for those communicating around the area...which I don't think is that populated.

Looking busy and being busy are two very different things (as Moonki alluded to).

I wouldn't be surprised if the cops finger some mkokoteni driver or even the unknown "husband" of the woman Juma was with as the culprit.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 18, 2016, 04:58:51 PM
Cynicism won't take this country any where. That self-defeatist attitude prevent you from see anything praise worthy here. Here are cops who have traced Juma movement in places with precise times. And you don't even notice that.

Security in this country has gotten better the last few yrs (synovate survey yesterday back this) due to such things like those cameras.

Kenya Police release a report with stuff like Advanced Detector Equipment that recover 2 spent catridge. Intelligent Video and Automated Number Plate Recognition. And all we hear is the endless and ceasless whining that is complete copy-paste of 1990!

Acknowledge these cops are getting somewhere close to world class....

Jubilee has done wonderfully here by getting Safcom and Huwaei to roll out world class surveillance in Nairobi and Mombasa. Hope they can roll this out to all major towns. The  is also need to restart some of anglo-leasing ideas that were messed up....such as forensic lab at CID HQ...that I think has been allocated money finally. All these plus mobile calls monitoring, easy to install and cheap gadgdet such as tracking units, cctv everywhere, database linking all IDS, IDs with chips, number plates with chips....are what make countries like America safe...make investigation quicker and reliable.

Looking busy and being busy are two very different things (as Moonki alluded to).

I wouldn't be surprised if the cops finger some mkokoteni driver or even the unknown "husband" of the woman Juma was with as the culprit.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 18, 2016, 05:35:54 PM
Interesting.   So they are on the scene on the night of May 5, and do this and that.    Then they don't get back to it until May 10?   Anyways ... they made up for it with numbers: 27 officers.   

And the pending cases are important because?   Ah, OK; we need a list of suspects. But in the second case Yongo, what on earth is the meaning of "the court had moved and was due to visit the scene of the crime".
Yep.  May 10th is when they are back looking for ballistics.  The cartridge catcher story was raising many eyebrows, including suggesting their involvement.  That was scratched.

It's a joke on many levels.  I am still not sure why they have not talked to the wife yet.  They did not inform her of the death either.  One might be tempted to talk to her because Juma might have confided something useful in her. 

It looks like those mentioned in the pending cases are where the police are looking to for suspects.  Brian Yongo would seem to be most incriminated because he is reported as having threatened Juma.  Gumo and Kidero are mentioned more as victims than suspects.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 18, 2016, 05:48:30 PM
Cynicism won't take this country any where. That self-defeatist attitude prevent you from see anything praise worthy here. Here are cops who have traced Juma movement in places with precise times. And you don't even notice that.

Security in this country has gotten better the last few yrs (synovate survey yesterday back this) due to such things like those cameras.

Kenya Police release a report with stuff like Advanced Detector Equipment that recover 2 spent catridge. Intelligent Video and Automated Number Plate Recognition. And all we hear is the endless and ceasless whining that is complete copy-paste of 1990!

Acknowledge these cops are getting somewhere close to world class....

Jubilee has done wonderfully here by getting Safcom and Huwaei to roll out world class surveillance in Nairobi and Mombasa. Hope they can roll this out to all major towns. The  is also need to restart some of anglo-leasing ideas that were messed up....such as forensic lab at CID HQ...that I think has been allocated money finally. All these plus mobile calls monitoring, easy to install and cheap gadgdet such as tracking units, cctv everywhere, database linking all IDS, IDs with chips, number plates with chips....are what make countries like America safe...make investigation quicker and reliable.

Looking busy and being busy are two very different things (as Moonki alluded to).

I wouldn't be surprised if the cops finger some mkokoteni driver or even the unknown "husband" of the woman Juma was with as the culprit.
While I agree that cynicism for the sake of it is unhelpful, cynicism informed by hard facts of history is not entirely misplaced.  Even when you exclude speculative theories, Kenya police have simply not earned the benefit of the doubt as professionals. 

The police in the US similarly lost my benefit of the doubt when it came to shootings, especially those involving minorities.  When that happens, the police simply have to work harder to earn it back.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Georgesoros on May 18, 2016, 08:55:24 PM
Agreed.
Police have to work harder to earn the respect.
They need to establish protocol on how to deal with murder cases. The wife heard it from he media!!!
They need a special crimes unit that specifically deals with murders.
The scene should have been secured till all evidence is gathered. Going back creates suspicions.



Cynicism won't take this country any where. That self-defeatist attitude prevent you from see anything praise worthy here. Here are cops who have traced Juma movement in places with precise times. And you don't even notice that.

Security in this country has gotten better the last few yrs (synovate survey yesterday back this) due to such things like those cameras.

Kenya Police release a report with stuff like Advanced Detector Equipment that recover 2 spent catridge. Intelligent Video and Automated Number Plate Recognition. And all we hear is the endless and ceasless whining that is complete copy-paste of 1990!

Acknowledge these cops are getting somewhere close to world class....

Jubilee has done wonderfully here by getting Safcom and Huwaei to roll out world class surveillance in Nairobi and Mombasa. Hope they can roll this out to all major towns. The  is also need to restart some of anglo-leasing ideas that were messed up....such as forensic lab at CID HQ...that I think has been allocated money finally. All these plus mobile calls monitoring, easy to install and cheap gadgdet such as tracking units, cctv everywhere, database linking all IDS, IDs with chips, number plates with chips....are what make countries like America safe...make investigation quicker and reliable.

Looking busy and being busy are two very different things (as Moonki alluded to).

I wouldn't be surprised if the cops finger some mkokoteni driver or even the unknown "husband" of the woman Juma was with as the culprit.
While I agree that cynicism for the sake of it is unhelpful, cynicism informed by hard facts of history is not entirely misplaced.  Even when you exclude speculative theories, Kenya police have simply not earned the benefit of the doubt as professionals. 

The police in the US similarly lost my benefit of the doubt when it came to shootings, especially those involving minorities.  When that happens, the police simply have to work harder to earn it back.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 18, 2016, 08:56:36 PM
Cynicism won't take this country any where. That self-defeatist attitude prevent you from see anything praise worthy here. Here are cops who have traced Juma movement in places with precise times. And you don't even notice that.

Security in this country has gotten better the last few yrs (synovate survey yesterday back this) due to such things like those cameras.

Kenya Police release a report with stuff like Advanced Detector Equipment that recover 2 spent catridge. Intelligent Video and Automated Number Plate Recognition. And all we hear is the endless and ceasless whining that is complete copy-paste of 1990!

Acknowledge these cops are getting somewhere close to world class....

Jubilee has done wonderfully here by getting Safcom and Huwaei to roll out world class surveillance in Nairobi and Mombasa. Hope they can roll this out to all major towns. The  is also need to restart some of anglo-leasing ideas that were messed up....such as forensic lab at CID HQ...that I think has been allocated money finally. All these plus mobile calls monitoring, easy to install and cheap gadgdet such as tracking units, cctv everywhere, database linking all IDS, IDs with chips, number plates with chips....are what make countries like America safe...make investigation quicker and reliable

Well, idealism ain't working.

Have you read the preliminary report?

Have you seen the timings? Of just how fast Juma got from point A to B during Nairobi's notorius traffic jams? Not once, but several times during one evening?

How does one drive from Westlands to Kenyatta/Uhuru highway near the Ministry of Tourism in 4 minutes?

The report is so full of stupid and fatal flaws it's mind boggling.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 19, 2016, 07:35:31 AM
Sometimes at that hour there is not much traffic in Nairobi.I am thinking you've not been in Nairobi lately?
Well, idealism ain't working.

Have you read the preliminary report?

Have you seen the timings? Of just how fast Juma got from point A to B during Nairobi's notorius traffic jams? Not once, but several times during one evening?

How does one drive from Westlands to Kenyatta/Uhuru highway near the Ministry of Tourism in 4 minutes?

The report is so full of stupid and fatal flaws it's mind boggling.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 19, 2016, 07:41:23 AM
Your binary thinking is flawed. For you it either there or not. It either o or 1 or 100%. Life is more of continuum. I am seeing progress here compare to say 2 yrs ago or 10 yrs ago when police would be groping in the dark torturing some poor people around Ngong trying to extract information. Here they've really powerful tools such as automatic number plate detector and intelligent video survillance that already has the first aspect of such investigation nailed down. Now you guys can stop speculating if he was killed elsewhere or not. The cameras captured him driving with a woman..who has been interviewed.

The police used the same tools to nail Muchai murder in very short time. They earned my respect then and I am willing to give them time.

You have to stop thinking in binary.

While I agree that cynicism for the sake of it is unhelpful, cynicism informed by hard facts of history is not entirely misplaced.  Even when you exclude speculative theories, Kenya police have simply not earned the benefit of the doubt as professionals. 

The police in the US similarly lost my benefit of the doubt when it came to shootings, especially those involving minorities.  When that happens, the police simply have to work harder to earn it back.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 19, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
Sometimes at that hour there is not much traffic in Nairobi.I am thinking you've not been in Nairobi lately?

Live and work in Nairobi and have driven (well, crawled) along Uhuru highway / Waiyaki way countless times during rush hour.

Look, the timings are suspect but that doesn't mean the police are trying to hide whatever. It could mean that the timestamp received is not really accurate or the pictures were taken on a Sunday, or ...... whatever. The timings should have been queried by inspector Clouseau.

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Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: gout on May 20, 2016, 02:11:24 PM
He should have went into exile, tweet from there once the policies on armoured cars and guns licensing coincided with deaths threats. Well, looks impunity gets the better of us all.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 24, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
The police are really "investigating":

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5o4MeHmFxt4/V0M7rbqAUSI/AAAAAAAG3MY/rCvPO8OsJqc6simsIkapK-mXHttzlCUgQCLcB/s1600/2.jpg)
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 24, 2016, 11:50:07 AM
Seem investigation is proceeding well.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 24, 2016, 02:44:28 PM
The police are really "investigating":

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Furious investigations indeed.  They have talked to Karen Police.  The owner of the towing vehicle.  They have identified two more girlfriends.  Part of a maid's salary.

Recent developments are suggesting the murder weapon may have been located.  A gun, an AK47.  Matching the two bullets found a week later at the crime scene.  Found on a dead suspect.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Georgesoros on May 24, 2016, 03:52:34 PM
The police are really "investigating":

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Furious investigations indeed.  They have talked to Karen Police.  The owner of the towing vehicle.  They have identified two more girlfriends.  Part of a maid's salary.

Recent developments are suggesting the murder weapon may have been located.  A gun, an AK47.  Matching the two bullets found a week later at the crime scene.  Found on a dead suspect.
It can be very confusing sometimes. I think they said that they recovered an AK47 from a robber weapon and its ballistics match the casings found at the murder scene.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 24, 2016, 04:29:24 PM
The police are really "investigating":

Furious investigations indeed.  They have talked to Karen Police.  The owner of the towing vehicle.  They have identified two more girlfriends.  Part of a maid's salary.

Recent developments are suggesting the murder weapon may have been located.  A gun, an AK47.  Matching the two bullets found a week later at the crime scene.  Found on a dead suspect.
It can be very confusing sometimes. I think they said that they recovered an AK47 from a robber weapon and its ballistics match the casings found at the murder scene.
While there are serious doubts whether that is the murder scene, it is something like that.  There was a shootout, some thugs were killed, and the putative murder weapon of Jacob Juma found in their possession.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 24, 2016, 04:43:48 PM
Sound suspicious but police have a good start to continue with the investigation...find out where these thugs were on the fateful day...thro their phone records, the car they were using, bla de bla.

In short lets us give them more time.

They are doing fine so far. They've take 28 statements and have done the ground work.

Ak47 has been found. Now it time to find the owner. Most of the time the thugs hire the guns from a gun runner. They don't own it.

While there are serious doubts whether that is the murder scene, it is something like that.  There was a shootout, some thugs were killed, and the putative murder weapon of Jacob Juma found in their possession.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 24, 2016, 04:53:50 PM
Sound suspicious but police have a good start to continue with the investigation...find out where these thugs were on the fateful day...thro their phone records, the car they were using, bla de bla.

In short lets us give them more time.

They are doing fine so far. They've take 28 statements and have done the ground work.

Ak47 has been found. Now it time to be the owner. Most of the time the thugs hire the guns from a gun runner. They don't own it.

While there are serious doubts whether that is the murder scene, it is something like that.  There was a shootout, some thugs were killed, and the putative murder weapon of Jacob Juma found in their possession.
The suspicious bit, for me, was how fast it was tied to the bullets at the murder scene.  Maybe there is just one AK47 doing rounds in Nairobi's crime circles.  I am not opposed to what they are doing, but it seems like the focus is on the character assassination of JJ.  The girlfriends they keep coming up with don't seem to otherwise add any value to the investigation.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 24, 2016, 05:12:31 PM
The girlfriends are the last people seen with him alive. How that cannot be important escapes me. As for Ak47 I don't know enough about ballistic but if the spent cartridge point to the gun, then it's the gun. I think as much as we should be cautious here we need to allow them to conclude investigation. Once investigation is complete then we can decide whether all the loose ends are tied or not.

The suspicious bit, for me, was how fast it was tied to the bullets at the murder scene.  Maybe there is just one AK47 doing rounds in Nairobi's crime circles.  I am not opposed to what they are doing, but it seems like the focus is on the character assassination of JJ.  The girlfriends they keep coming up with don't seem to otherwise add any value to the investigation.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 24, 2016, 05:35:34 PM
The girlfriends are the last people seen with him alive. How that cannot be important escapes me. As for Ak47 I don't know enough about ballistic but if the spent cartridge point to the gun, then it's the gun. I think as much as we should be cautious here we need to allow them to conclude investigation. Once investigation is complete then we can decide whether all the loose ends are tied or not.

The suspicious bit, for me, was how fast it was tied to the bullets at the murder scene.  Maybe there is just one AK47 doing rounds in Nairobi's crime circles.  I am not opposed to what they are doing, but it seems like the focus is on the character assassination of JJ.  The girlfriends they keep coming up with don't seem to otherwise add any value to the investigation.
The last person seen alive with him is important.  But the 2 new girlfriends mentioned in the last report, don't seem to add any more useful information than the "28 people" whose information they don't feel the need to share. 

An explanation of the ballistics in relation to this case ought to be a good starting point.  For instance, if JJ was shot through his chest in his car, why didn't bullet that went through him hit the seat?  An artery in his arm was raptured by one of the bullets; why don't the seats in the car look like a slaughterhouse?  Was the crime scene staged? 

I am not getting the impression that these are things Muhoro wants to delve into.  Maybe they are not that important to the investigation.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 24, 2016, 06:01:21 PM
I think you're poking holes into a summary without the benefits of all the details. You don't know if the police are not thinking about all those ideas.
The last person seen alive with him is important.  But the 2 new girlfriends mentioned in the last report, don't seem to add any more useful information than the "28 people" whose information they don't feel the need to share. 

An explanation of the ballistics in relation to this case ought to be a good starting point.  For instance, if JJ was shot through his chest in his car, why didn't bullet that went through him hit the seat?  An artery in his arm was raptured by one of the bullets; why don't the seats in the car look like a slaughterhouse?  Was the crime scene staged? 

I am not getting the impression that these are things Muhoro wants to delve into.  Maybe they are not that important to the investigation.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 24, 2016, 06:42:03 PM
I think you're poking holes into a summary without the benefits of all the details. You don't know if the police are not thinking about all those ideas.
The last person seen alive with him is important.  But the 2 new girlfriends mentioned in the last report, don't seem to add any more useful information than the "28 people" whose information they don't feel the need to share. 

An explanation of the ballistics in relation to this case ought to be a good starting point.  For instance, if JJ was shot through his chest in his car, why didn't bullet that went through him hit the seat?  An artery in his arm was raptured by one of the bullets; why don't the seats in the car look like a slaughterhouse?  Was the crime scene staged? 

I am not getting the impression that these are things Muhoro wants to delve into.  Maybe they are not that important to the investigation.
They have not addressed those questions at all.  The initial police reports had a motorcycle gun crew.  They eventually moved away from that but it's not clear what replaced that.

In other words, we have a crime scene, they don't even have a theory of how his body ends up where it was found.  They have not established what they are investigating, yet they are happy to wash the man's dirty linen in public, casting aspersions with no apparent utility. 

Maybe they should just finish their investigations first and then present a final report.  We get it that Jacob a red blooded Luhya man must have loved his pussy.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 24, 2016, 07:01:47 PM

I watched this show earlier by Onsarigo.  Like I mention earlier, the police probably should shelve their updates until all investigations are complete. 

Muhoro looks weak, even suspicious, when asked about summoning Ruto or JJ's tweets.  He could have just said yes or no, end of story.  But he makes a mountain out of a molehill refusing to answer simple questiona.  Needless to say, nobody expects him to expose his bosses, if it is a political assassination.  But why refuse to answer simple questions that confirm the obvious trajectory of the investigation?

How are these investigative journalists able to get this information?  Like the phone calls.  It's disturbing on many levels.  It was virtually impossible to get phone logs, let alone calls, of kamwana's phones at the ICC.

Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 25, 2016, 12:41:31 AM
I watched this show earlier by Onsarigo.  Like I mention earlier, the police probably should shelve their updates until all investigations are complete. 

Muhoro looks weak, even suspicious, when asked about summoning Ruto or JJ's tweets.  He could have just said yes or no, end of story.  But he makes a mountain out of a molehill refusing to answer simple questiona.  Needless to say, nobody expects him to expose his bosses, if it is a political assassination.  But why refuse to answer simple questions that confirm the obvious trajectory of the investigation?

How are these investigative journalists able to get this information?  Like the phone calls.  It's disturbing on many levels.  It was virtually impossible to get phone logs, let alone calls, of kamwana's phones at the ICC.

In a way, I sort of feel sorry fo Muhoro. He probably has a very good idea who dun it but he simply can't talk.

To continue enjoying the perks his office brings him, he has to act the village fool.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Georgesoros on May 25, 2016, 03:12:39 AM
He has to follow the law.
But, Kenyan law is for the poor......

I watched this show earlier by Onsarigo.  Like I mention earlier, the police probably should shelve their updates until all investigations are complete. 

Muhoro looks weak, even suspicious, when asked about summoning Ruto or JJ's tweets.  He could have just said yes or no, end of story.  But he makes a mountain out of a molehill refusing to answer simple questiona.  Needless to say, nobody expects him to expose his bosses, if it is a political assassination.  But why refuse to answer simple questions that confirm the obvious trajectory of the investigation?

How are these investigative journalists able to get this information?  Like the phone calls.  It's disturbing on many levels.  It was virtually impossible to get phone logs, let alone calls, of kamwana's phones at the ICC.

In a way, I sort of feel sorry fo Muhoro. He probably has a very good idea who dun it but he simply can't talk.

To continue enjoying the perks his office brings him, he has to act the village fool.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 25, 2016, 07:15:35 AM
I don't think police should summon Ruto at this juncture just because JJ wrote about it. Ruto is DPORK deserving of respect and honour. Unless there is more evidence beyond the tweets the cops have no business talking to him. And if they talk to him that should be strictly confidential.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 25, 2016, 01:28:06 PM
The more one read about JJ the more they discover a loud fraudstar who was living on borrowed times. The man used  to claim to have Bcom degree in finance from UON and yet was failed kenya poly student....and all the litany of lies that media is documenting.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 25, 2016, 02:20:49 PM
The more one read about JJ the more they discover a loud fraudstar who was living on borrowed times. The man used  to claim to have Bcom degree in finance from UON and yet was failed kenya poly student....and all the litany of lies that media is documenting.

Ahh yes, but Juma had money. Tons of it.

And, whether one likes it or not, that's how Kenya currently runs.

And Muhoro knows it. Juma's unfortunately dead and can't do anything to Muhoro.

But whoever ordered Juma assassinated is still alive.

Muhoro knows on which side the bread is buttered.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 25, 2016, 02:28:08 PM
He didn't have much money. He was late in rent payments and had one car. He only had a hse in karen and the brothel in Westland was rental. How many of folks have houses in Karen? This was loud fraudster who was moving from one crooked deal to another.
Ahh yes, but Juma had money. Tons of it.

And, whether one likes it or not, that's how Kenya currently runs.

And Muhoro knows it. Juma's unfortunately dead and can't do anything to Muhoro.

But whoever ordered Juma assassinated is still alive.

Muhoro knows on which side the bread is buttered.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 25, 2016, 03:09:42 PM
Did he sleep around?  Was he wealthy?  Fraudster?  Honest?  Brash? are the things his killer would happily have trending.  It's remarkable that they are headlines now that he is dead and unable to sue.

While the CID is busy competing with tabloids, there is a killer, in all likelihood untouchable, on the loose and will strike again if he faces the same conditions he did from JJ.

JJ may be all or some of these things the media, led by the Nation, is fronting.  But he also repeatedly said his life was under threat from William Ruto.  I have not seen one line in the Daily Nation acknowledging this somewhat more relevant fact.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 25, 2016, 05:09:26 PM
The more one read about JJ the more they discover a loud fraudstar who was living on borrowed times. The man used  to claim to have Bcom degree in finance from UON and yet was failed kenya poly student....and all the litany of lies that media is documenting.

Ahh yes, but Juma had money. Tons of it.

And, whether one likes it or not, that's how Kenya currently runs.

And Muhoro knows it. Juma's unfortunately dead and can't do anything to Muhoro.

But whoever ordered Juma assassinated is still alive.

Muhoro knows on which side the bread is buttered.
It's amazing that one can recognize readily with minimal evidence that Juma is a fraud and in the same vein ask for Kenya police(an institution more synonymous with fraud than JJ could ever hope to be) to be given space to do their thing.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 25, 2016, 05:46:28 PM
The family can hire themselves a private investigator otherwise what the point of engaging in speculation. The man had enemies running into hundreds. He was a totally flawed character. A crook. Did William Ruto kill him...I highly doubt it...for what end? What would be the motive? Would GoK kill him? For what? Eurobond scandal :) :)  A scandal that never was.

Why would a gov kill a loud mouth that was running on empty? Eti he had stumbled upon Eurobond transactions. I guess all US institutions including the world bank and everyone in btw missed the scandal...and here comes a conman....who latch onto eurobond and is certainly an hero.

It's amazing that one can recognize readily with minimal evidence that Juma is a fraud and in the same vein ask for Kenya police(an institution more synonymous with fraud than JJ could ever hope to be) to be given space to do their thing.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 25, 2016, 06:32:49 PM
The family can hire themselves a private investigator otherwise what the point of engaging in speculation. The man had enemies running into hundreds. He was a totally flawed character. A crook. Did William Ruto kill him...I highly doubt it...for what end? What would be the motive? Would GoK kill him? For what? Eurobond scandal :) :)  A scandal that never was.

Why would a gov kill a loud mouth that was running on empty? Eti he had stumbled upon Eurobond transactions. I guess all US institutions including the world bank and everyone in btw missed the scandal...and here comes a conman....who latch onto eurobond and is certainly an hero.

It's amazing that one can recognize readily with minimal evidence that Juma is a fraud and in the same vein ask for Kenya police(an institution more synonymous with fraud than JJ could ever hope to be) to be given space to do their thing.
I take it that because the victim is flawed, then the cops are free to engage in gossip and peddle half-truths and not be called out.  To be fair, I don't think he was a saint.  At the same time, regardless of who killed him, I'd be delusional to think Kenya police would out him if it were a jubilant leader.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 25, 2016, 08:07:04 PM
What is half truth. Cops have been fair to him and focused on last day --2 ladies--and well known cases. The media have dug out the rest. This is a crook we shouldn't be wasting time...if CORD were not running on empty and trying so hard to make an hero out of a conman.

Never before I have seen attempts to make an hero out of a crook...

If Ruto or Uhuru want to get into a nasty murder...it certainly won't be a crook they probably had full intelligence on. It would be someone who was a real threat. Someone at level of Raila or Kalonzo or Wetangula...why waste bullets on someone living in borrowed times.

I take it that because the victim is flawed, then the cops are free to engage in gossip and peddle half-truths and not be called out.  To be fair, I don't think he was a saint.  At the same time, regardless of who killed him, I'd be delusional to think Kenya police would out him if it were a jubilant leader.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 27, 2016, 09:25:07 AM
So it looks like the cops are saying it was a "random" killing by a notorious gang who were all "unfortunately" killed?

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The four-man gang found with the AK47 said to have been used in the murder of Jacob Juma has been linked to 15 cases of carjack and kidnap in the past five months.

Police yesterday identified two gang members, who include 28-year-old police constable Simon Muturi and 39-year-old Francis Kinuthia from Gatundu South. The two are believed to be members of a four-man gang infamous for carjacking and kidnapping in Nairobi.

Police shot the four suspects last Sunday at the Nyayo Roundabout in Nairobi. They were shot dead hours after receiving Sh70,000 from their last carjack victim. Muturi, an officer interdicted on suspicion he was involved in crime, is said to be the leader of the gang accused of at least 20 cases of carjack, kidnap and demand for ransom. Muturi was interdicted in 2012. At the time he was serving at the Central Police station in Mombasa.

More: http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/05/27/gang-in-juma-death-linked-to-15-carjackings-kidnap-cases_c1358503

Interesting reading comment from the Star:

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And this is the picture of the supposed killer with the helicopter:

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Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 27, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Considering these thugs never stole anything from Juma..I am not going to buy that Nyayo Stadium gang of 4 were involved here. This was an calculated assisination. By who? Is what we need to find out.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 27, 2016, 12:51:50 PM
Considering these thugs never stole anything from Juma..I am not going to buy that Nyayo Stadium gang of 4 were involved here. This was an calculated assisination. By who? Is what we need to find out.

This sham investigation is deliberately hitting a dead end.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 27, 2016, 03:45:59 PM
Investigation is ongoing and for me they have been impressive.
This sham investigation is deliberately hitting a dead end.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Empedocles on May 27, 2016, 04:31:45 PM
Investigation is ongoing and for me they have been impressive.

On a serious note, I admire your optimism.

I really do.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on May 27, 2016, 05:09:08 PM
Considering these thugs never stole anything from Juma..I am not going to buy that Nyayo Stadium gang of 4 were involved here. This was an calculated assisination. By who? Is what we need to find out.

This sham investigation is deliberately hitting a dead end.
It's rapidly approaching closure.  Three girlfriends later, it may turn out Simon Muturi done it. 

2 bullets at the supposed scene.  An odd, in fact inexplicable, assortment of entry wounds for a random killing.  But a random killing it must be. 

They may not state it in as few words; rather one will be forced to accept and move on as investigations continue.  Perhaps take cheer at how some aspects of his last hours could be revealed by CCTV.  With a guarantee of no independent oversight, what can anyone do about it?

The best thing the police can be expected to do is to leave it at that.  Spare the wife and kids further anguish adding insult to injury in the name of investigations.  Let them cut their losses in peace.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: MOON Ki on May 27, 2016, 11:47:40 PM
Some things bring to mind a "law" that is attributed to a former editor of Punch:

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Muggeridge's Law: there is no way that a writer of fiction can compete with real life for its pure absurdity.

Anyways ...

I now have some ideas for a video game that should encourage children to study sciences, join the police force to serve the public, etc.   I'll call the game "Nairobi CSI".
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Reticent Solipsist on May 28, 2016, 12:42:16 AM
It boggles the mind that anyone with an iota of intelligence would believe this farcical yarn being put forth by the Kenyan authorities.

Come to think of it, when Jomo Kenyatta and his thuggish bodyguards took out JM Kariuki they spun fantastic tales too, and there are folk who actually bought it.

Ah! Kenyan intelligence - an oxymoron.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 28, 2016, 07:58:19 AM
The police have done an impressive job documenting the last day of Juma life complete with time and folks he met & called that day, interviewed 28 people, have found the bullets and possibly the gun used. What more do you want the cops to have done at that stage? Become miracle workers and figure it all out in day one.

The next stage for the police is to find the motive and the killer.

Some smart alecs all think they all this figured out- know the killer (must be William Ruto or KweKwe) and well go ahead and start private criminal prosecution with the evidence you've gathered from your imaginative speculative minds.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: MOON Ki on May 28, 2016, 10:02:45 AM
The police have done an impressive job documenting the last day of Juma life complete with time and folks he met & called that day, interviewed 28 people, have found the bullets and possibly the gun used. What more do you want the cops to have done at that stage? Become miracle workers and figure it all out in day one.

The next stage for the police is to find the motive and the killer.

Some smart alecs all think they all this figured out- know the killer (must be William Ruto or KweKwe) and well go ahead and start private criminal prosecution with the evidence you've gathered from your imaginative speculative minds.

You need to calm down.   Even Ruto is not that worked up about any of this.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: RV Pundit on May 28, 2016, 11:15:31 AM
I am all calm down. Now you can calm down too.
You need to calm down.   Even Ruto is not that worked up about any of this.
Title: Re: Businessman Jacob Juma shot dead
Post by: Nefertiti on May 28, 2016, 03:10:51 PM
Some things bring to mind a "law" that is attributed to a former editor of Punch:

Quote
Muggeridge's Law: there is no way that a writer of fiction can compete with real life for its pure absurdity.

Anyways ...

I now have some ideas for a video game that should encourage children to study sciences, join the police force to serve the public, etc.   I'll call the game "Nairobi CSI".

They are not distinct - are they? - reality and fiction. Which of the events would you classify as either: doctored cctv, staged murder scene, new unfoldings, Nairobi CSI?

My bff observed in the Game of Thrones that trial by combat was pure chance, barbaric and yet the fairest form of justice in those jungle days. Still Saddam, Gaddafi, etc. It seems we develop but never change.

Rule of law... JM, Ouko, Muge, Juma... life is a trial by combat. The truth is indistinct from fiction. What do you say?