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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Globalcitizen12 on February 17, 2016, 06:12:41 PM

Title: exporting labor
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on February 17, 2016, 06:12:41 PM
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/news/Ministry-plans-to-train-one-million-youth-for-labour-export/-/1950946/3081068/-/format/xhtml/-/7q0rhm/-/index.html

interesting.. Kenyans need to stop siring kids ovyo ovyo. There is no need to generate all this human resource and not have anything to do with it. Good move. The world needs more slaves
Title: Re: exporting labor
Post by: RV Pundit on February 17, 2016, 06:22:52 PM
I think we can create jobs for everyone. Kenyans are siring less and less kids. It probably down to 4-5 kids from 7-8 kids two decades ago. It will take sometime esp in places where most folks did not go to say secondary school.

This idea for me is moronic.You cannot train labour for others. Even if those guys get paid 1M per month, how much get to kenya?. What is 110B of remittance annually? Those guys in kenya would generate more in value here and would spend it here..bo0sting the local economy.

We should find ways of creating employment for these guys by subsidizing manufactures, getting low level ICT outsourcing and name it.
Title: Re: exporting labor
Post by: MOON Ki on February 17, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
Kenya is truly a country run by idiots.  What skills are these people going to be trained in?

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In justifying the programme, the Labour CS also cited the example of a Singaporean company that has been looking for Kenyan ship builders.

“Foreigners see what we have. We have skilled labour in this country and we want to scale that labour up not only for local consumption but also for international use. We don't want our youth languishing in the villages without work," said Ms Kandie.

Has anyone ever heard of real shipbuilding in Kenya?  What skilled labour do the foreigners supposedly see?

Singapore has a huge shipbuilding industry that builds military vessels, drilling rigs, etc.    I used to live fairly close to one of their shipyards, which builds things like this:

http://gcaptain.com/singapore-based-shipbuilders-billion/

How many of these Kenyan workers have even seen something like these drillships?

Now, it is true that Singapore has a continuing need for people to work in its shipyards.   For the serious work, its polytechnics, technical institutes, universities train the people; others are also trained abroad at government expense.   One thing they need but can't get enough of is people to do low-level dirty and dangerous work that Singaporeans won't touch with a 10-foot pole----hauling steel and cables into all sorts of places, being put into dangerous testing environments, and the like.    "Traditionally", those roles have been dominated by people from Bangladesh and the like, and it now looks like Africa (Kenya) could be another source.  (Filipinos and Indonesians have cornered market for maids and other domestic work.) These foreign "ship-builders" can readily be located on the Southwestern side of Singapore: in order to "save money to send home", their accommodation consist of shipping containers into which they pack themselves in lots of 20+ per container.   
Title: Re: exporting labor
Post by: Kadudu on February 17, 2016, 07:16:57 PM
This CS Kandie has no clue of what she is saying. Kenya does not have enough skilled labour. Look at a project like SGR where 5.000 Chinese (coolies) have to be imported to build that overpriced railway. Why export labour when you yourself busy importing labour?
Title: Re: exporting labor
Post by: MOON Ki on February 17, 2016, 11:34:44 PM
This CS Kandie has no clue of what she is saying. Kenya does not have enough skilled labour. Look at a project like SGR where 5.000 Chinese (coolies) have to be imported to build that overpriced railway. Why export labour when you yourself busy importing labour?

The whole idea is downright bizarre and illogical---a poor, third-world country deliberately setting out, as national policy, to supply low-cost, low end labour to better-off countries.
Title: Re: exporting labor
Post by: Globalcitizen12 on February 18, 2016, 05:28:55 AM
http://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Diversity-Visa/DVStatistics/DVApplicantEntrantsbyCountry%202013-2015.pdf

green card lottery entrants for the last 3 years by country.. Kenya entrants were 257K, Ghana has 1.7 and congo 1.4
Title: Re: exporting labor
Post by: Real P on February 20, 2016, 07:24:01 AM
Contrary to what may be understood traditionally, most folks who migrate outside the country do so unwillingly. Many are educated and skilled, but cannot find employment due to high rising population and are on the edge of abject poverty; in fact, some of these folks have families and take proactive role in leaving their household in search of work/life balance.

Pushed by factors like poor economic activity and lack of job opportunities, these folks take loans or borrow money from friends and relatives often incurring substantial debts to pay recruitment agencies exorbitant fees to finance their migration. Relying on employment agencies and brokers, these folks enter contractual bondage with employers whom they have never met before, leaving themselves vulnerable to abuse and exploitation. Because slavery is illegal, slave owners often use contracts as a means to legitimate and disguise the practice.

A great example is securing a visa through a method of sponsorship, popular in Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia or the UAE, known as Kafala system, which legally binds the worker to their employer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system

watch the video below of some Kenyan domestic workers who were trapped, exploited and abused in the UAE.