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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Globalcitizen12 on December 13, 2015, 05:21:20 PM
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79 bodies laying in the streets.. seems like there was a show down between Govt Militia and Rebels
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/dozens-dead-streets-burundi-capital-151212133807154.html
The world is watching as ?#?BurundiGenocide? escalates. Where is AU or they are waiting to go and defend Nkrunziza at the ICC?
The US is issuing travel advisories instead of saving the innocent lives or how many hundreds are supposed to die before the international community intervenes
Very Graphic
https://www.facebook.com/mcinnocent
Nkuruiza is popular
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Very sad. At what time does one realize the country is greater than an individual. Nkuruziza had time to step down and retire peacefully but with prodding and support from museveni and uhuru he decided to hang on now he will lose everything. I lay the blame squarely on AU and EAC for lack of foresight. Since uhuru took the chairmanship of EAC south Sudan has gone to the dog because of the same two fools supporting silva kir, Burundi is at brink of civil war. Everything uhuru touches turn to dust
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The US is issuing travel advisories instead of saving the innocent lives or how many hundreds are supposed to die before the international community intervenes
Sad. Another avoidable tragedy in the works.
Burundi had a civil war in which over 300,000 died, many were maimed, many displaced, etc. Finally, there was the Arusha Agreement, which this guy decided to trash. The US and the "international community" repeatedly warned him of the consequences and tried to get sense into him. He refused to listen. And now begins the "need to do something".
There is also the fact that the AU, pepped up by certain ICC criminals and their friends, have been heaping abuse of the West (who are pretty much the only people really expected to "do something"). Neo-colonialists, imperialists, and Africa can solve its own problems! It's hardly the sort of thing that inspires people to rush in and help.
On top of all that, there seems to be all sorts of mayhem around the world, and it is doubtful that people elsewhere can spare a thought for Burundi, much less get involved. My guess is that things will continue to slide slowly, the UN Security Council will issue statements that it "deplores the situation" and "urges all parties to blah blah blah", some UN body will set up tents etc. for refugees in nearby countries ...
Burundi still has not reached the point on return. Nkurunziza can still do the right thing. Or he can opt for the Assad Path. The world awaits his choice.
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Burundi is overpopulated. A major shortage of land; currently the only means of survival. Because they lack imagination, shit is bound to hit the fan one way or another.
The current crisis does not appear to be based on the usual Hutu-Tutsi divide. That could change though, if Rwanda intervenes, leading to a culling of the Tutsi element.
Rwanda also faces the same demographic time-bomb. People reproducing like flies and virtually none doing anything but tilling increasingly tinier bits of land for survival.
Horrendous leadership tends to obscure the problem.
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Over populated the place looks very poor by east African standards.. What the population?
I answered the question with simple google
http://countrymeters.info/en/Burundi
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Over populated the place looks very poor by east African standards.. What the population?
I answered the question with simple google
http://countrymeters.info/en/Burundi
Yep. Mostly producing bananas, banana beer and babies.
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There is no good market for bananas.. They have tea..
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Uhuru will argue that its part of growing up. Other countries did it too. during medieval times.
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Uhuru will argue that its part of growing up. Other countries did it too. during medieval times.
I am increasingly coming round to that view. The African should be left alone to chart his history knives, arrows and all. Bazungu were left alone by default to butcher each other into the civilization we know today.
Intervention should only happen when it becomes too much to ignore or there is a large exodus that threatens to overwhelm other parts of the world. The US should focus on guns and violence in the inner cities.
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Must be fun with those pretty ladies. :D :D :D
Yep. Mostly producing bananas, banana beer and babies.
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Must be fun with those pretty ladies. :D :D :D
Yep. Mostly producing bananas, banana beer and babies.
Hehehe...
I'll just clarify that I am not callous. I think this mess is bound to happen with or without Nkurunziza. If the African is left alone, and realizes no one will come to his assistance, including accepting fleeing tyrants, he will grow up fast.
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Same thing happened in Rwanda and to some extent Kenya.
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this fight seems to be between to Hutu Factions so it is taking more political angle than tribal
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The images coming in from there are gruesome. People are being tortured to death.
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The New African Took over from where the Europeans Barbarism ended during WII. They are the Japanese of this century. Brutal to core. Did you see Pokomos Hacking babies by slicing their necks like they were Lab mice
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The AU has now "acted". It has issued a stern statement---that the "killings must stop immediately".
Museveni, the EAC's "mediator" has not been there for months but says that, even though busy with election matters, he is "keeping an eye" on the place through "intelligence briefs". As his minister for international affairs explains:
“What’s the purpose of President Museveni spending time in Burundi, then lose an election at home, which in effect would deny him the capacity to mediate in the Burundi crisis?” Mr Oryem asked.
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Uganda-says-Museveni-keeping-an-eye-on-Burundi/-/2558/2995152/-/lxfi9qz/-/index.html
(Even a day or two?)
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The AU has now "acted". It has issued a stern statement---that the "killings must stop immediately".
Museveni, the EAC's "mediator" has not been there for months but says that, even though busy with election matters, he is "keeping an eye" on the place through "intelligence briefs". As his minister for international affairs explains:
“What’s the purpose of President Museveni spending time in Burundi, then lose an election at home, which in effect would deny him the capacity to mediate in the Burundi crisis?” Mr Oryem asked.
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Uganda-says-Museveni-keeping-an-eye-on-Burundi/-/2558/2995152/-/lxfi9qz/-/index.html (http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Uganda-says-Museveni-keeping-an-eye-on-Burundi/-/2558/2995152/-/lxfi9qz/-/index.html)
(Even a day or two?)
There is also an East African Standby Force http://www.easfcom.org/index.php/en/. Going above and beyond the call of duty to stand by.
Yesterday I was looking more closely at Burundi, and learned about Sindumuja. That might be a name to closely monitor. They are supposedly Rwandan backed rebels. Mostly made up of Tutsis.
The killings going on in Burundi are apparently targetting Tutsis(assumed to be sympathetic to sindumuja) and moderate Hutus(those showing little enthusiasm for the regime). It is not yet an open government policy. But apparently this is what is happening.
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There is also an East African Standby Force http://www.easfcom.org/index.php/en/. Going above and beyond the call of duty to stand by.
EASF? Really?
An article hot off the press of the Daily Nation informs us that:
Council chaired by Equatorial Guinea was discussing plans made for the East African Standby Force for deployment to Bujumbura should the situation worsen.
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The standby Force is composed of including military, police and civilian, on standby in their countries of origin and ready for rapid deployment and was meant to respond swiftly to a crisis.
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However, it would be the first time the EASF would be sending troops to a member country.
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/We-wont-allow-a-genocide-in-Burundi/-/1056/3000776/-/bu1xlk/-/index.html
Sounds good. Very good.
We are then informed, in the very same article, that:
Currently, the Force is technically an organisation of military experts rather than a grouping of soldiers.
But we should perhaps remain optimistic because the EASF has seen deployment in the past. A Wikipedia entry informs us that:
From 2012 to 2013, EASF deployed fourteen officers in a one-year mission as part of a technical team that supported the African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM).
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Oooh the amazing African is emerging ..stsndy by force of 2 soldiers and a mzungu donor..windy kagame is a gineering some of the rebel attacks from his save haven in Kigali.
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AU has deployed 5,000 peace keepers. That is great.
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AU has deployed 5,000 peace keepers. That is great.
They haven't deployed. They have suggested it. It would require Burundi to acquiesce or two thirds vote by the AU, willing troop contributors, logistical support and money.
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AU has deployed 5,000 peace keepers. That is great.
As usual, you have your own odd interpretation of the facts. All that has happened is that its "Peace and Security Council" has "agreed, in principle" to send troops there. That is a long way from having troops there, for three reasons:
(1) The AU does not have troops to send; they must be found from willing countries.
(2) After the troops are found, it will require the agreement of agreement of Burundi or the approval of at least 2/3 of African presidents (or similar). The first is out: the Burundians are opposed to it and have made cheeky remarks about how they are the ones who send out peacekeepers (Somalia).
(3) Once (1) and (2) are done, it will probably be time to hit the "donors" for something. The AU does have a "Peace Fund", but African countries have not seen their way clear to putting any real money into it.
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After Kenya made a mockery of justice the world will not even say Ngweee. They will give lip service as in Rwanda. Good job Uhuru
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Through its spokesman, the Burundian government has now responded to the AU idea:
"It would be better if they go to those camps in Rwanda where troublemakers train."
:D
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African leaders have demonstrated that their unions are exclusive membership clubs for conspirators. They only talk when a member is in trouble, either at home or with the international community. The effort to mount peace talks in Burundi is not, therefore, about restoring normalcy in this troubled nation. It is about rescuing Nkurunziza.
Nkurunziza has meanwhile told his friends in the AU that he will accost their troops, should they dare set foot in Burundi as peace keepers. His government should be left alone to slay as it may. When he gets indicted before the International Criminal Court sometime to come, the same club will go allover the place chanting about “African solutions to African problems.”
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000187506/polls-in-africa-are-exercises-in-democratic-fiction
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African leaders have demonstrated that their unions are exclusive membership clubs for conspirators. They only talk when a member is in trouble, either at home or with the international community. The effort to mount peace talks in Burundi is not, therefore, about restoring normalcy in this troubled nation. It is about rescuing Nkurunziza.
Nkurunziza has meanwhile told his friends in the AU that he will accost their troops, should they dare set foot in Burundi as peace keepers. His government should be left alone to slay as it may. When he gets indicted before the International Criminal Court sometime to come, the same club will go allover the place chanting about “African solutions to African problems.”
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000187506/polls-in-africa-are-exercises-in-democratic-fiction (http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000187506/polls-in-africa-are-exercises-in-democratic-fiction)
Capturing power was Nkurunziza's ticket out of poverty. The problem with Burundi is there are not many legitimate avenues to protect against it once you are out of power.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CE8NjtDW0AAqKy3.jpg:large)
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To tell you the truth, only nothing can save the situation. The world saw how Africa reacted to CIC so nobody is going to care.
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Here is the latest:
The UN has warned that “a complete breakdown of law and order is just around the corner” in Burundi as it examines allegations of gang-rapes, enforced disappearances and the digging of mass graves during the eruption of violence that left dozens of people dead last month.
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/jan/15/burundi-all-alarm-signals-flashing-red-warns-un-as-reports-of-atrocities-mount
What ever happened to the "5,000 troops" from the East African Stand-By Force? (Of which some wag suggested that it is time to stop standing by and start standing up.) Looking at some of their "activities", one notes that they have been ready since Sep 2015!
September 16, 2015.
The East African Standby Force (EASF) is ready to be deployed to Burundi which has suffered months-long unrest if the African Union (AU) gives the order.
The remarks were made by EASF director Chanfi Issimail at a news conference held on Monday at the African Union’s regional headquarters in the Kenyan capital Nairobi.
http://www.newtimes.co.rw/section/article/2015-09-16/192592/
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Burundi is not a priority. ICC walkout is a priority.
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Young men will have to take charge of these countries falling apart, it is the logical thing to do. This running away together with women and children into sickening miserable life in camps is unfathomable. What has come of young men these days?