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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on August 10, 2015, 02:04:54 PM
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I am glad Jubilee has kept the course of this very ambitious dream to digital equip all public kids.
60,000 teachers computer trained and I think nearly 90% plus of schools now have electricity.
At the same time, 19,000 schools have been connected to electricity by the Rural Electrification Authority (REA) and 605 others connected to solar power
http://www.nation.co.ke/counties/mombasa/digital-rollout-primary-schools/-/1954178/2826450/-/j4k944/-/index.html
In the meantime KU and JKUAT have started computer assembling point.
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Jubilee: Electrify near double the schools in 2yrs than has been done for last 50 yrs...thanks to 12B annual allocation to REA.
By June 2013, out of the overall 21,222 primary schools in the country, 10,157 had been electrified. To complete the electrification of all primary schools by June 2015, the Authority put in place a programme aimed at completing electrification of the remaining 11,062 primary schools in two years with 5,000 primary schools planned for electrification in the 2013/14 financial year and 6,065 in the 2014/15 financial year.
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Great news! My mind is clicking in ways to connect those computers up to servers in the most efficient way possible. They need internet right?
hmm....
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This is good news.
My take is that good teachers are those who have an urge to change the world by creating thinking students. Info tech will certainly improve access to info.
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They need to be connected to the internet. 19 000 schools.... that's a lot of switches, servers, modems, cabling...
Does anyone have connections in that ministry? Who's docket is it under?
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/Liquid-Telecom-Kenya-Lapsset-Fibre-Optic/-/1950106/2444396/-/format/xhtml/-/f019rd/-/index.html
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It is an audacious dream and despite the naysayers saying it can't be done...I think gov should just go on.
Only corruption can and will cripple this thing.
But providing these kids with computers..will change their lives in ways we cannot even imagine.
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They need to be connected to the internet. 19 000 schools.... that's a lot of switches, servers, modems, cabling...
Does anyone have connections in that ministry? Who's docket is it under?
http://mobile.nation.co.ke/business/Liquid-Telecom-Kenya-Lapsset-Fibre-Optic/-/1950106/2444396/-/format/xhtml/-/f019rd/-/index.html
Computerizing all schools was transferred to the misnistry of Information, Communication and Technology headed by Fred Matiangi.
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Thanks Sibby ! :D
Can someone please get me a meeting with Fred Matiangi
Please let him know I'd like to host him here in Sydney.
I've started my proposal just now:
https://prezi.com/xf6lkydenysl/data-cabling-vision-2030/?utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=copy
Feel free to dance along to it ! :skit:
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I wish they would make use of the low oil prices to generate enough for all the new connections. Too many blackouts from what I hear
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Veri, check your PM
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computers is just a tool. Doesn't make any kid smarter. Only provides access to info. I know of no school that has made kids smarter by using iPads etc. Well trained teachers can use laptops effectively while it can also be a disaster for others.
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Computer is one kind of a tool.I think there was some study done in Kilgoris, Transmara that showed just throwing those kids computers without any teacher, made them smarter in very short time; they soon figure out how to use it, how to read, write and get all aids.
Computer is not like a book....it is nearly everything.
I say throw these kids these powerful gadgets and watch them over 10 yrs...and they will be as nearly smart as any kid anywhere.
computers is just a tool. Doesn't make any kid smarter. Only provides access to info. I know of no school that has made kids smarter by using iPads etc. Well trained teachers can use laptops effectively while it can also be a disaster for others.
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Pundit, you will be surprised that in Palo Alto where many of the Silicon Valley elite live most schools there do not offer any computer lessons for the kids. Computers in many schools there are no-go-zone for the students. The parents who earn their living from these gadgets keep their kids away from them. What an irony!
Personally I would want my kid to go to kindergarten, sing, dance, paint etc. Computers the kid will confront later in life and he will have enough of them.
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That is crazy idea. Bill Gates, Zuckerberg and name all those guys spent their childhood with computers not running around dancing. Africans kids have been singing and dancing; and there is nothing to show for it.
The country that experimented with giving kids computer I think is Estonia and they are doing well. Skype is one of their products.
By the time your kids are done dancing; their best years when the brain is curious will be over; and you'll end up with third rate musician.
Silicon valley kids may dance and paint in schools because they live with computers at home.
Pundit, you will be surprised that in Palo Alto where many of the Silicon Valley elite live most schools there do not offer any computer lessons for the kids. Computers in many schools there are no-go-zone for the students. The parents who earn their living from these gadgets keep their kids away from them. What an irony!
Personally I would want my kid to go to kindergarten, sing, dance, paint etc. Computers the kid will confront later in life and he will have enough of them.
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I think we have a divergent view on the issue but I accept your concept.
Let my kids dance which brings joy to my heart. Kids sitting for hours with Minecraft for hours.
That is crazy idea. Bill Gates, Zuckerberg and name all those guys spent their childhood with computers not running around dancing. Africans kids have been singing and dancing; and there is nothing to show for it.
The country that experimented with giving kids computer I think is Estonia and they are doing well. Skype is one of their products.
By the time your kids are done dancing; their best years when the brain is curious will be over; and you'll end up with third rate musician.
Silicon valley kids may dance and paint in schools because they live with computers at home.
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Kids are not suppose to make your happy (that is perverted form of joy..go watch a real opera by adults)..you're suppose to nurture them for the future...and that future is now intrinsically linked to computers...and you cannot prepare them without providing them with computers.
I say throw them computers..and leave them to explore...don't even teach them that much.
I think we have a divergent view on the issue but I accept your concept.
Let my kids dance which brings joy to my heart. Kids sitting for hours with Minecraft for hours.
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I am all for computer labs in all schools. Preferably at higher levels. It's cheaper. It's more sustainable. It permits more direction and tuition.
Any pediatrician worth his salt will tell you that the most important thing for children in lower primary is human interaction.
The less the time spent on electronic gadgets, the better they are adjusted to the real world.
That said, I could still see some use of giving children access to laptops as a teaching aid, rather than a box to take home and tinker with.
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Are you now stating that Pundit is a pediatrician not worth his salt? :D :D :D
I am all for computer labs in all schools. Preferably at higher levels. It's cheaper. It's more sustainable. It permits more direction and tuition.
Any pediatrician worth his salt will tell you that the most important thing for children in lower primary is human interaction.
The less the time spent on electronic gadgets, the better they are adjusted to the real world.
That said, I could still see some use of giving children access to laptops as a teaching aid, rather than a box to take home and tinker with.
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I am not pediatrician but I know the future of human interaction is changing. Windy Old peditrician may not be aware that in the future human interraction will happen on things that make facebook look really old. You are preparing the kids for the future. That is anything 20-30yrs from now. We are talking 2040. How will the world look like then?
Imagine a future where virtual reality merges with physical reality; where everyone has access to 20,000mbps data transfer and can stream video live live...anywhere anyhow.
This nipate human interraction will be primitive then.
Are you now stating that Pundit is a pediatrician not worth his salt? :D :D :D
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I am not pediatrician but I know the future of human interaction is changing. Windy Old peditrician may not be aware that in the future human interraction will happen on things that make facebook look really old. You are preparing the kids for the future. That is anything 20-30yrs from now. We are talking 2040. How will the world look like then?
Imagine a future where virtual reality merges with physical reality; where everyone has access to 20,000mbps data transfer and can stream video live live...anywhere anyhow.
This nipate human interraction will be primitive then.
Are you now stating that Pundit is a pediatrician not worth his salt? :D :D :D
I think all those are amazing and exciting developments. I don't even know if we are differing on anything with respect to where technology is going. My point was only partly on the development of children. But also on the sustainability of the program.
I think that the human interaction remains the most critical in the child's learning. How much attention the child's needs are given by the teacher is more crucial than how easy it is for that child to get information from the web. Most kids will end up playing games online when they would benefit from playing outside.
The real disagreement seems to be about introducing technology to the school environment. Rather than laptops for all children, it makes economic and learning sense to me, to make sure every secondary school has a well-equipped computer lab and well trained teachers for the same . What is your argument against that?
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I think you are yet to fully grasp and appreciate what kind of revolutionary change we are on to. Kids and adults in the future may benefit more from online or virtual interraction that right now. That curriculum need to change...
As for priority...if we had all the money..I would say give them all computers...it certainly would make economic sense..if we started equiping class 16..going down to class 1....at least the returns would be immediate.
But I also see this...as gov sort of starting a digital revolution..and what better way than have std1 kid have computer...parents and other stakeholders will have to dig in to provide computers for the rest.
It certainly won't make sense for high schools not to provide computers when a class 1 kid has computers.....from where...god knows..but gov should not have to shoulder everything..it enough that public taxes will be committed to equiping every class 1 kid joining public schools....parents should not shy from selling goats to buy older kids computers.
This should spark something.....and that thing we will not know for now.
I think all those are amazing and exciting developments. I don't even knows if we are differing on anything with respect to where technology is going. My point was only partly on the development of children. But also on the sustainability of the program.
I think that the human interaction remains the most critical in the child's learning. How much attention the child's needs are given by the teacher is more crucial than how easy it is for that child to get information from the web. Most kids will end up playing games online when they would benefit from playing outside.
The real disagreement seems to be about introducing technology to the school environment. Rather than laptops for all children, it makes economic and learning sense to me, to make sure every secondary school has a well-equipped computer lab and well trained teachers for the same . What is your argument against that?
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That is crazy idea. Bill Gates, Zuckerberg and name all those guys spent their childhood with computers not running around dancing.
Really? I'll have to check, but much of the information I have seen suggests that those guys (including Steve Jobs) did not involved with computers until something like the age of 13 or so.
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How many 13yrs old had computers then. Their fathers invested early on them. You can bet every serious parent in developed country has their kids on computers as soon as they are born.
Really? I'll have to check, but much of the information I have seen suggests that those guys (including Steve Jobs) did not involved with computers until something like the age of 13 or so.
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I think you are yet to fully grasp and appreciate what kind of revolutionary change we are on to. Kids and adults in the future may benefit more from online or virtual interraction that right now. That curriculum need to change...
As for priority...if we had all the money..I would say give them all computers...it certainly would make economic sense..if we started equiping class 16..going down to class 1....at least the returns would be immediate.
But I also see this...as gov sort of starting a digital revolution..and what better way than have std1 kid have computer...parents and other stakeholders will have to dig in to provide computers for the rest.
It certainly won't make sense for high schools not to provide computers when a class 1 kid has computers.....from where...god knows..but gov should not have to shoulder everything..it enough that public taxes will be committed to equiping every class 1 kid joining public schools....parents should not shy from selling goats to buy older kids computers.
This should spark something.....and that thing we will not know for now.
I think all those are amazing and exciting developments. I don't even knows if we are differing on anything with respect to where technology is going. My point was only partly on the development of children. But also on the sustainability of the program.
I think that the human interaction remains the most critical in the child's learning. How much attention the child's needs are given by the teacher is more crucial than how easy it is for that child to get information from the web. Most kids will end up playing games online when they would benefit from playing outside.
The real disagreement seems to be about introducing technology to the school environment. Rather than laptops for all children, it makes economic and learning sense to me, to make sure every secondary school has a well-equipped computer lab and well trained teachers for the same . What is your argument against that?
I would equip high-school labs first. The kids in primary will benefit when they get there. It's cheaper and potentially benefits a larger group. Knowledge base will also be better suited. They are better suited to decide whether it is something they want to pursue.
At a lower level, these should just be teaching aids. Like radios. vooke will say We had radio programs in primary school. But no Negro expected us to take them home and tinker with them. It's only in secondary school that budding electronic engineers was able to open them up and look inside with a meaningful curiosity.
I suspect your real concern is catching that rare genius who can benefit from early exposure, but I could be wrong. I think that itself is an argument in favor of more interaction with a well trained teacher.
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No. My real concern is that computers is probably the only thing these kids will ever have. They don't have teachers or any traditionally functioning systems you'd expect from a schools. Their teachers are either illiterate or lazy or drunk or just don't show up.
This is NOT an ADD_ON. This is perhaps the only thing these kids have and need to learn stuff.
A computer is unlike anything...it everything you'll ever need...if you plug it to the internet..and that is pretty much sorted by mobile providers.
I suspect your real concern is catching that rare genius who can benefit from early exposure, but I could be wrong. I think that itself is an argument in favor of more interaction with a well trained teacher.
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You can bet every serious parent in developed country has their kids on computers as soon as they are born.
Really? Which developed country would that be?
Did you see what kadudu wrote?
Pundit, you will be surprised that in Palo Alto where many of the Silicon Valley elite live most schools there do not offer any computer lessons for the kids. Computers in many schools there are no-go-zone for the students. The parents who earn their living from these gadgets keep their kids away from them. What an irony!
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Anywhere in the developed world. Kadudu is negro who has her kids dancing to lingala instead of spending time in a computer. If dancing and playing was education; africa would be leading; for surely no other kids play that much.
Really? Which developed country would that be?
Did you see what kadudu wrote?
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:D :D :D
Dancing to Lingala is better than those silly games kids play on pcs.
BTW Pundit, I am male hapana female.
Anywhere in the developed world. Kadudu is negro who has her kids dancing to lingala instead of spending time in a computer. If dancing and playing was education; africa would be leading; for surely no other kids play that much.
Really? Which developed country would that be?
Did you see what kadudu wrote?
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No. My real concern is that computers is probably the only thing these kids will ever have. They don't have teachers or any traditionally functioning systems you'd expect from a schools. Their teachers are either illiterate or lazy or drunk or just don't show up.
In that case, first focus on the fundamental problem.
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No. My real concern is that computers is probably the only thing these kids will ever have. They don't have teachers or any traditionally functioning systems you'd expect from a schools. Their teachers are either illiterate or lazy or drunk or just don't show up.
This is NOT an ADD_ON. This is perhaps the only thing these kids have and need to learn stuff.
A computer is unlike anything...it everything you'll ever need...if you plug it to the internet..and that is pretty much sorted by mobile providers.
I suspect your real concern is catching that rare genius who can benefit from early exposure, but I could be wrong. I think that itself is an argument in favor of more interaction with a well trained teacher.
That would seem like throwing up your hands and handing over your kids to the internet. I don't think that is the goal of the government. They made a campaign promise that some people loved to give a laptop to every child.
It's more realistic and sustainable to equip a good lab for each high school. They don't have to buy so many thousands(millions?) of tablets every new school year. Nor worry about refurbishing lost, broken stolen equipment. Because kids at that age will break these things with abandon.
To me, the laptop idea, while a sexy campaign promise, reeks of a scam with dubious benefits, when someone in a position to do so suggests implementing it. We know that is not far fetched.
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I think Termie has a point. A kid goes through years with a computer and then a 4yr break in high school,and then real life...Not smart.
But if they cleared primary school only to run into well equipped labs for 4 years and then life, they have realistic chances of being something.
I think I heard Ouru say that primary school is just a start. They will move to high schools soon after. So this primary vs high school debate may be misplaced
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Computer Lab is so 10 yrs ago. Nowadays laptops are very cheap. Gov can get very cheap laptops for every kid. Less than 100 dollars. If there is no corruption.
To me, the laptop idea, while a sexy campaign promise, reeks of a scam with dubious benefits, when someone in a position to do so suggests implementing it. We know that is not far fetched.
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Computer Lab is so 10 yrs ago. Nowadays laptops are very cheap. Gov can get very cheap laptops for every kid. Less than 100 dollars. If there is no corruption.
To me, the laptop idea, while a sexy campaign promise, reeks of a scam with dubious benefits, when someone in a position to do so suggests implementing it. We know that is not far fetched.
Maybe 2030 the mkonomrefu will automagically pull back after the vision is achieved.
I don't see the lab concept as being outdated at all. A couple of boxes with an OS like Linux should be cover all bases until quantum computers hit the market.
Another reason to favor high-schools. Besides being in a better position to appreciate and learn the technologies, these are folks who are about to hit the market.
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I think Termie has a point. A kid goes through years with a computer and then a 4yr break in high school,and then real life...Not smart.
But if they cleared primary school only to run into well equipped labs for 4 years and then life, they have realistic chances of being something.
I think I heard Ouru say that primary school is just a start. They will move to high schools soon after. So this primary vs high school debate may be misplaced
Even if they are to introduce them everywhere, it would still make more sense to start with the high-schools.