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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on July 24, 2015, 06:54:02 AM
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Here is a teacher from Kogelo.
We thought the American government could at least bring some assistance to the area," said Stephen Okumu Obewa, a teacher who works at Senator Barack Obama Primary School, named before Obama reached the White House.
"Maybe he is interested somehow but we are not aware," he said in a scruffy school with many broken chairs and desks.
http://widerimage.reuters.com/story/obama-son-of-kenya
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I think I have done better for my village.
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It very shameful for Obama. I hope he uses the next 2yrs doing something good for folks that truly love and appreciate him. The Americans don't seem to give a sh.iet.
I think I have done better for my village.
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Here is what I would do:
1. Provide shoes for each and every one of those kids as part of child protection - simply ask the embassy to call UNICEF and ask them if they have undertaken a Child Protection Compliance Analysis of ..... school. The white House wants to know... end of the story
2. Renovate the entire school and provide piped water (UNICEF or some NGO)
3. Equip the library (some university in Chile or Venezuela)
4. Feed the kids and teachers daily (from my salary)
You will not be asking these people to do anything extra ordinary. They have the funds and they simply don't use them.
It very shameful for Obama. I hope he uses the next 2yrs doing something good for folks that truly love and appreciate him. The Americans don't seem to give a sh.iet.
I think I have done better for my village.
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The man is so powerful..he can hire someone like you to ran a foundation....something like "Dreams of my Father Foundation" from the books proceeds. He shouldn't not be overly concerned with what some rethugs racist will say back in the US of A. He should be concerned about what he can do about the poverty in a place that he is connected with it.
If Obama was white man who traced his roots to say Bulgaria...he would not be burden if he was assisting Bulgarians. But he has allowed himself to be boxed in.
Obama for me is a failed disgrace as far as Kogelo, Nyanza and Kenya is concerned. I really wish he can ship his ar.se out of the country as soon as possible.
He has two years to redeem himself.
Here is what I would do:
1. Provide shoes for each and every one of those kids as part of child protection - simply ask the embassy to call UNICEF and ask them if they have undertaken a Child Protection Compliance Analysis of ..... school. The white House wants to know... end of the story
2. Renovate the entire school and provide piped water (UNICEF or some NGO)
3. Equip the library (some university in Chile or Venezuela)
4. Feed the kids and teachers daily (from my salary)
You will not be asking these people to do anything extra ordinary. They have the funds and they simply don't use them.
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It would be interesting to see how the county government, where this school is, has used the money allocated to it. I would look there first before blaming Obama.
Because of devolution, I would not even go as far as blaming the National government until I am satisfied with how the county has used its money.
Even if one ignores the role of the county government, it's interesting to realize that Obama will be in a better position to help "his" people and others that need philanthropy after leaving office.
As President, he works within the legal constraints of accountability enforced by Congress.
That said, even after leaving office, there will still be millions that he won't be able to save.
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You seem to think just because county is a gov or kenya has gov; it has the same capacity as Obama or US gov. Siaya county has very little money compared to the needs. Their budget is probably equivalent to what a really tiny town in US has. And the county has to deal with 1M folks plus.
Even if all the money is prudently used....no way Siaya county can afford to build nice schools all over. If Siaya county shared the money among st the resident; it would be 30dollars per person per annum. What can that do...if you were to prudently use it yourself.
Obama is not constrained to do charity. He is not constrained to start a foundation. He is not constrained in any way to help.
That 6 yrs after becoming the most powerful man in planet earth....Obama has done zilch for Kogelo is a scandal for me. All that has been done in kogelo were done by Kenya gov, Saudis and such kind of folks.
I'm sure if Kogelo resident were interviewed today; they would express a very dim view of Obama; like Malik Obama did. The man is a FRAUD.
Obama Senior was helped by JFK. And JFK remains a great president for that and many other reason. Our little man Obama doesn't have the same heart. JFK didn't shrink and say I cannot help Africans to come over and join Harvard....until I'm out of office. And luckly so..because he died in office.
The idea that we should wait for private Obama to help us given powerful obama is constrained is ridiculous.
It would be interesting to see how the county government, where this school is, has used the money allocated to it. I would look there first before blaming Obama.
Because of devolution, I would not even go as far as blaming the National government until I am satisfied with how the county has used its money.
Even if one ignores the role of the county government, it's interesting to realize that Obama will be in a better position to help "his" people and others that need philanthropy after leaving office.
As President, he works within the legal constraints of accountability enforced by Congress.
That said, even after leaving office, there will still be millions that he won't be able to save.
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Termie
Siaya County has no business making Obama look generous. I gave him a lot of leeway. I am not seeing anything for the troubles. There are some small initiatives that he can take without cutting sweat.
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We are talking the most powerful man on planet..that right now has shutdown Nairobi and taken over Uhuru statehouses. He doesn't have to lift his finger..to help...his family. The family house was built by Saudis because the family is Islamic. Obama has done zilch. Malik is not embittered for nothing.
Termie
Siaya County has no business making Obama look generous. I gave him a lot of leeway. I am not seeing anything for the troubles. There are some small initiatives that he can take without cutting sweat.
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You seem to think just because county is a gov or kenya has gov; it has the same capacity as Obama or US gov. Siaya county has very little money compared to the needs. Their budget is probably equivalent to what a really tiny town in US has. And the county has to deal with 1M folks plus.
Even if all the money is prudently used....no way Siaya county can afford to build nice schools all over. If Siaya county shared the money among st the resident; it would be 30dollars per person per annum. What can that do...if you were to prudently use it yourself.
Obama is not constrained to do charity. He is not constrained to start a foundation. He is not constrained in any way to help.
That 6 yrs after becoming the most powerful man in planet earth....Obama has done zilch for Kogelo is a scandal for me. All that has been done in kogelo were done by Kenya gov, Saudis and such kind of folks.
I'm sure if Kogelo resident were interviewed today; they would express a very dim view of Obama; like Malik Obama did. The man is a FRAUD.
Obama Senior was helped by JFK. And JFK remains a great president for that and many other reason. Our little man Obama doesn't have the same heart. JFK didn't shrink and say I cannot help Africans to come over and join Harvard....until I'm out of office. And luckly so..because he died in office.
The idea that we should wait for private Obama to help us given powerful obama is constrained is ridiculous.
It would be interesting to see how the county government, where this school is, has used the money allocated to it. I would look there first before blaming Obama.
Because of devolution, I would not even go as far as blaming the National government until I am satisfied with how the county has used its money.
Even if one ignores the role of the county government, it's interesting to realize that Obama will be in a better position to help "his" people and others that need philanthropy after leaving office.
As President, he works within the legal constraints of accountability enforced by Congress.
That said, even after leaving office, there will still be millions that he won't be able to save.
I get that bit that these are his kinsmen. His father came from among them. He has even visited and lived among them as he sought to find out more about his absentee father. But he doesn't come from there. The people that really matter to him are in Chicago. And Hawaii to some extent. It's not because he is cold. It's just where his roots are. That is a fact Africans keep ignoring.
I won't claim to know what he has or hasn't done for Kogelo. I still think that is the responsibility of the county government. Maybe they should appeal to Obama for help and show why the money they get could not have possibly helped buy new chairs and desks if only for this one school.
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Termie
Siaya County has no business making Obama look generous. I gave him a lot of leeway. I am not seeing anything for the troubles. There are some small initiatives that he can take without cutting sweat.
Omollo,
The man comes from Chicago, where public schools are closing down due lack of funding. Inner cities that could use some public amenity or another. How can he be more concerned about Kogelo, a place that is near mythical to most folks in his Chicago backyard?
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Politically, he can't. You have to know USA and its laws, besides what Windy City mentioned about Chicago.
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Termie
Who would have imagined that Mpesa would be a revolution that is sweeping the world as we speak. Perhaps from Kogelo, he could have found the solution to the Chicago schools. Table banking or chama as we know it has spread to boardrooms in the west.
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Termie,
Other U.S. presidents went out of their way to help Negroes they knew nothing about. Osama by virtue of his roots in Kenia, roots that took him here, roots that he proudly shared during the campaigns, he OUGHT to have done more....or at least pretend to have done something.
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Termie
Who would have imagined that Mpesa would be a revolution that is sweeping the world as we speak. Perhaps from Kogelo, he could have found the solution to the Chicago schools. Table banking or chama as we know it has spread to boardrooms in the west.
If Kogelo can provide solutions, that would be a step in the right direction. It would render this discussion moot. Table banking sounds like credit unions.
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Termie,
Other U.S. presidents went out of their way to help Negroes they knew nothing about. Osama by virtue of his roots in Kenia, roots that took him here, roots that he proudly shared during the campaigns, he OUGHT to have done more....or at least pretend to have done something.
vooke,
You have been shown that Obama has actually substantially increased US aid to Kenya. I think this belief that he is not helping has taken on a religious tenor. There is no reasoning with that.
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Termie,
Other U.S. presidents went out of their way to help Negroes they knew nothing about. Osama by virtue of his roots in Kenia, roots that took him here, roots that he proudly shared during the campaigns, he OUGHT to have done more....or at least pretend to have done something.
vooke,
You have been shown that Obama has actually substantially increased US aid to Kenya. I think this belief that he is not helping has taken on a religious tenor. There is no reasoning with that.
Termie,
You have been shown that is slightly more mythical than Mary Poppins.
The idea that Osama pulled some strings and tinkered with Kenia aid for better is Auntie-Hubris-esque in reverse. Those are apparitions; very visible to the believers and invisible to everyone else 8)
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People, listen to me. Obama can't and will not help Kenya as long as he is president. He can't even help Chicago. Its in the USA political system and the law. He can even be impeached for doing it. Indirectly, yes he can.
Termie,
Other U.S. presidents went out of their way to help Negroes they knew nothing about. Osama by virtue of his roots in Kenia, roots that took him here, roots that he proudly shared during the campaigns, he OUGHT to have done more....or at least pretend to have done something.
vooke,
You have been shown that Obama has actually substantially increased US aid to Kenya. I think this belief that he is not helping has taken on a religious tenor. There is no reasoning with that.
Termie,
You have been shown that is slightly more mythical than Mary Poppins.
The idea that Osama pulled some strings and tinkered with Kenia aid for better is Auntie-Hubris-esque in reverse. Those are apparitions; very visible to the believers and invisible to everyone else 8)
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People, listen to me. Obama can't and will not help Kenya as long as he is president. He can't even help Chicago. Its in the USA political system and the law. He can even be impeached for doing it. Indirectly, yes he can.
Termie,
Other U.S. presidents went out of their way to help Negroes they knew nothing about. Osama by virtue of his roots in Kenia, roots that took him here, roots that he proudly shared during the campaigns, he OUGHT to have done more....or at least pretend to have done something.
vooke,
You have been shown that Obama has actually substantially increased US aid to Kenya. I think this belief that he is not helping has taken on a religious tenor. There is no reasoning with that.
Termie,
You have been shown that is slightly more mythical than Mary Poppins.
The idea that Osama pulled some strings and tinkered with Kenia aid for better is Auntie-Hubris-esque in reverse. Those are apparitions; very visible to the believers and invisible to everyone else 8)
Parkerpen,
It's a case of people crying more than the bereaved. I will wait and hear what Auma Obama has to say on the subject. I cannot take Malik seriously. He wants money for another wife.
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In short obama is very small man. That is why he cannot take on bigger causes globally.
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So JFK, Bush and Clinton can help but Obama can't. Obama choose to be a little man. I am sure if he explained to American how really poor folks are in Africa, they would understand. It also would help If Obama wanted to be a great president.
Obama shrunk his global responsibility thinking he would be loved in USA...but the only love he has if from us kenyans. The kenyans he has NEVER helped.
People, listen to me. Obama can't and will not help Kenya as long as he is president. He can't even help Chicago. Its in the USA political system and the law. He can even be impeached for doing it. Indirectly, yes he can.
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What did kogelo do for Obama when his mother was raising him.. Alone? What folks here forget is that muzungu (and Obama is one) is not raised to look after the villagers that raised him. It's not in his nature. As a parent abroad, I am watching keenly at those parents with teenagers as they battle with identity. Our children know that they are Kenyan by decent and that's that. The rest is uzungu. This crew will never understand why id send money to support my sisters children. Yet contribute to a charity like wateraid for provision of water to unknown African children he saw in an advert.
As we castigate Obama, please note that supporting kogelo in the way that we expect him to may not have crossed his mind at all.
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Am loving these excuses
1. Parpken thinks his hands are tied by his office
2. Termie wishes we suspend logic till Osama is out of office and he is infatuated with Moon Ki's tinkered-aid-theory
3. Bryan275 thinks Osama is no negro so he has the detachment of a bazungu not to mention Kogello did nuthin for him anyway.
Osama's greatness is largely due to hiis Negritude, his Kenianness and he knows it. That's why he visited here in 2006. That in 6yrs he has NEVER as much as tried to do nuthin for Kenia personally is inexcusable. And nobody is aksing for Garden City Mall there, juust tokens....a library,cattle dip would do
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Obama is not suppose to be the average kid. He is an hell of a world leader. Bush and Clinton did a lot for Africa. Obama has barely talked about poverty in Africa anywhere outside Africa. Obama met his Kogelo relative and it sure seem the first time they got anything from Obama.
What did kogelo do for Obama when his mother was raising him.. Alone? What folks here forget is that muzungu (and Obama is one) is not raised to look after the villagers that raised him. It's not in his nature. As a parent abroad, I am watching keenly at those parents with teenagers as they battle with identity. Our children know that they are Kenyan by decent and that's that. The rest is uzungu. This crew will never understand why id send money to support my sisters children. Yet contribute to a charity like wateraid for provision of water to unknown African children he saw in an advert.
As we castigate Obama, please note that supporting kogelo in the way that we expect him to may not have crossed his mind at all.
Am loving these excuses
1. Parpken thinks his hands are tied by his office
2. Termie wishes we suspend logic till Osama is out of office and he is infatuated with Moon Ki's tinkered-aid-theory
3. Bryan275 thinks Osama is no negro so he has the detachment of a bazungu not to mention Kogello did nuthin for him anyway.
Osama's greatness is largely due to hiis Negritude, his Kenianness and he knows it. That's why he visited here in 2006. That in 6yrs he has NEVER as much as tried to do nuthin for Kenia personally is inexcusable. And nobody is aksing for Garden City Mall there, juust tokens....a library,cattle dip would do
Am loving these excuses
1. Parpken thinks his hands are tied by his office
2. Termie wishes we suspend logic till Osama is out of office and he is infatuated with Moon Ki's tinkered-aid-theory
3. Bryan275 thinks Osama is no negro so he has the detachment of a bazungu not to mention Kogello did nuthin for him anyway.
Osama's greatness is largely due to hiis Negritude, his Kenianness and he knows it. That's why he visited here in 2006. That in 6yrs he has NEVER as much as tried to do nuthin for Kenia personally is inexcusable. And nobody is aksing for Garden City Mall there, juust tokens....a library,cattle dip would do
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Am loving these excuses
1. Parpken thinks his hands are tied by his office
2. Termie wishes we suspend logic till Osama is out of office and he is infatuated with Moon Ki's tinkered-aid-theory
3. Bryan275 thinks Osama is no negro so he has the detachment of a bazungu not to mention Kogello did nuthin for him anyway.
Osama's greatness is largely due to hiis Negritude, his Kenianness and he knows it. That's why he visited here in 2006. That in 6yrs he has NEVER as much as tried to do nuthin for Kenia personally is inexcusable. And nobody is aksing for Garden City Mall there, juust tokens....a library,cattle dip would do
Well vooke, perhaps we need to elect governments that are transparent and accountable.
Right now Obamas msaada would end up in miss thang's handbag of desire. Besides these jakogelos should commercialise the intellectual/copyright property they have in the name of Obama/Kogelo. By now they should be marketing merchandise made locally, sold internationaly even canned mbuta.
Lakini wapi. The wretched folks are waiting for dosh. Although to be fair a collective GoK should have enabled them too.
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Another excuse that Termie likes. Kenya gov is not North Korea. Obama is free to come and build something on his own. He can send his team to supervise some worthwhile project.
Well vooke, perhaps we need to elect governments that are transparent and accountable.
Right now Obamas msaada would end up in miss thang's handbag of desire. Besides these jakogelos should commercialise the intellectual/copyright property they have in the name of Obama/Kogelo. By now they should be marketing merchandise made locally, sold internationaly even canned mbuta.
Lakini wapi. The wretched folks are waiting for dosh. Although to be fair a collective GoK should have enabled them too.
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Am loving these excuses
1. Parpken thinks his hands are tied by his office
2. Termie wishes we suspend logic till Osama is out of office and he is infatuated with Moon Ki's tinkered-aid-theory
3. Bryan275 thinks Osama is no negro so he has the detachment of a bazungu not to mention Kogello did nuthin for him anyway.
Osama's greatness is largely due to hiis Negritude, his Kenianness and he knows it. That's why he visited here in 2006. That in 6yrs he has NEVER as much as tried to do nuthin for Kenia personally is inexcusable. And nobody is aksing for Garden City Mall there, juust tokens....a library,cattle dip would do
Well vooke, perhaps we need to elect governments that are transparent and accountable.
Right now Obamas msaada would end up in miss thang's handbag of desire. Besides these jakogelos should commercialise the intellectual/copyright property they have in the name of Obama/Kogelo. By now they should be marketing merchandise made locally, sold internationaly even canned mbuta.
Lakini wapi. The wretched folks are waiting for dosh. Although to be fair a collective GoK should have enabled them too.
That is where I would look after exhausting all plausible reasons the county cannot do it first.
After confirming that the money lost to Things Desire and the like cannot buy a desk and a chair, only then might look elsewhere.
If local and GOK bears any responsibility for these people, it is glossed over with claims that are easily shown to be false.
I could not spot Malik at dinner with Obamathough; it will be entertaining to see his explanation. He should start a comedy tour, all proceeds going to a Kogelo charity of his choice.Am loving these excuses
1. Parpken thinks his hands are tied by his office
2. Termie wishes we suspend logic till Osama is out of office and he is infatuated with Moon Ki's tinkered-aid-theory
3. Bryan275 thinks Osama is no negro so he has the detachment of a bazungu not to mention Kogello did nuthin for him anyway.
Osama's greatness is largely due to hiis Negritude, his Kenianness and he knows it. That's why he visited here in 2006. That in 6yrs he has NEVER as much as tried to do nuthin for Kenia personally is inexcusable. And nobody is aksing for Garden City Mall there, juust tokens....a library,cattle dip would do
Well vooke, perhaps we need to elect governments that are transparent and accountable.
Right now Obamas msaada would end up in miss thang's handbag of desire. Besides these jakogelos should commercialise the intellectual/copyright property they have in the name of Obama/Kogelo. By now they should be marketing merchandise made locally, sold internationaly even canned mbuta.
Lakini wapi. The wretched folks are waiting for dosh. Although to be fair a collective GoK should have enabled them too.
That is where I would look after exhausting all plausible reasons the county cannot do it first.
After confirming that the money lost to Things of Desire and the like cannot buy a desk and a chair, only then might I look elsewhere.
If local and GOK bears any responsibility for these people, it is glossed over with unverified claims. People should be able to elect thieves. Whether they can then blame outsiders when shit is stolen is debatable.
I could not spot Malik at the dinner with POTUS; it will be entertaining to see his explanation. He should start a comedy tour, all proceeds going to a Kogelo charity of his choice.
Even if we choose to ignore the numbers that show increased aid, just by visiting Kenya while in office, Obama has done more for country than any of his predecessors.
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Osama support is on several levels and I will try to rank them in the order of objectivity starting with the most objective
#1- his policies both local (OsamaCare) and international (Iran,Cuba....)
Here anyone of any persuasion,may examine them and judge him a good or bad thing for the U.S. and the world
#2- his ancestry. Osama is Negro and Negro are used to being anything but first. Coupled with slavery and primitivity of their majority, being the first U.S. president is intoxicating for minorities or colored people especially Negroes
From here we come down to Kenia
#3- he's father. Osama Snr was Kenyan and Kenians are mighty glad he is. They gave the world the first Negro POTUS. There is some sense of patriotism in cheering one of your own.
#4- Osama Snr was Luo. This gets twisted. First Luos have every right even within Kenia to cheer him more than anybody else. And they don't disappoint! Throw in our tribalism where non-Luos are more likely to dis him out of envy. Throw in as well 2013 elections where Osama appeared to hesitate to support ICC indictees candidates who are now in office.
A Kenian who was/is not Jubirlee is highly unlikely to see much good in Osama. And the converse is true. And every debate I have observed here and outside on Osama invariably boils down to this. These biases make us overly defensive of Osama or hostile.
All said,there are still some good points each side have to offer. What am sure of is if Osama had no Kenian roots, if say he was Ghanian, some defenses would be less passionate
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Pundit
It's the other way. He can't take small issues that locals should address
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vooke
If you were a president of the US would you support the election of Crimes Against Humanity Suspects in violation of the values of the country you are leading?