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Forum => Controversial => Topic started by: vooke on May 19, 2015, 04:42:58 PM
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An Oregon bakery is facing a $135,000 fine for refusing to make a cake for a lesbian wedding and a Washington State florist faces fines for refusing to participate in a gay wedding.
“Christians are being declared the lawbreakers when we are simply living by what we have always believed, and by a set of laws that the culture historically has agreed to,” he said. “Right now the courts are changing the playing field and declaring that what the natural eye can see and natural law reveals is not truth. ... What will we do, and how will we respond?”
http://www.theoakinitiative.org/special-bulletin-6-2015#.VVs7cXDXerX
Next stop, ensure 'minority' LGBT are represented at every level of government. I think antichrist will be a faggot if at all
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There appears to be no takers here. Where is Bella?
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An Oregon bakery is facing a $135,000 fine for refusing to make a cake for a lesbian wedding and a Washington State florist faces fines for refusing to participate in a gay wedding.
“Christians are being declared the lawbreakers when we are simply living by what we have always believed, and by a set of laws that the culture historically has agreed to,” he said. “Right now the courts are changing the playing field and declaring that what the natural eye can see and natural law reveals is not truth. ... What will we do, and how will we respond?”
http://www.theoakinitiative.org/special-bulletin-6-2015#.VVs7cXDXerX (http://www.theoakinitiative.org/special-bulletin-6-2015#.VVs7cXDXerX)
Next stop, ensure 'minority' LGBT are represented at every level of government. I think antichrist will be a faggot if at all
Talking of faggots, excuse my french, has the sexual orientation of Jesus Christ ever been settled?
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Talking of faggots, excuse my french, has the sexual orientation of Jesus Christ ever been settled?
He was addicted to porn, he was porn-again
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Talking of faggots, excuse my french, has the sexual orientation of Jesus Christ ever been settled?
He was addicted to porn, he was porn-again
There are different types of porn? Which one? What does the man say about gays? Is it one of those things he defers to the old covenant between his dad and the Jew?
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Talking of faggots, excuse my french, has the sexual orientation of Jesus Christ ever been settled?
He was addicted to porn, he was porn-again
There are different types of porn? Which one? What does the man say about gays? Is it one of those things he defers to the old covenant between his dad and the Jew?
All types
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Talking of faggots, excuse my french, has the sexual orientation of Jesus Christ ever been settled?
He was addicted to porn, he was porn-again
There are different types of porn? Which one? What does the man say about gays? Is it one of those things he defers to the old covenant between his dad and the Jew?
All types
Then the man had nothing against faggots.
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Hmm. Isn't some of this a bit disrespectful to those who view Christ in a certain way?
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Talking of faggots, excuse my french, has the sexual orientation of Jesus Christ ever been settled?
He was addicted to porn, he was porn-again
There are different types of porn? Which one? What does the man say about gays? Is it one of those things he defers to the old covenant between his dad and the Jew?
All types
Then the man had nothing against faggots.
Nor nothing against animal husbandry or incest ...never mentioned it.
Jesus did not rewrite a dictionary on sexual aberrations, He just mentioned what is right: 'in the begining, God made them man and woman'
You need to rehearse your Antitheism arguments real fine blatha
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Hmm. Isn't some of this a bit disrespectful to those who view Christ in a certain way?
Welcome to Antitheism,cussing God into non-existence
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Talking of faggots, excuse my french, has the sexual orientation of Jesus Christ ever been settled?
He was addicted to porn, he was porn-again
There are different types of porn? Which one? What does the man say about gays? Is it one of those things he defers to the old covenant between his dad and the Jew?
All types
Then the man had nothing against faggots.
Nor nothing against animal husbandry or incest ...never mentioned it.
Jesus did not rewrite a dictionary on sexual aberrations, He just mentioned what is right: 'in the begining, God made them man and woman'
You need to rehearse your Antitheism arguments real fine blatha
You leave out bestiality. It enjoys pride of place in porn. Or is that what you refer to as animal husbandry?
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Hmm. Isn't some of this a bit disrespectful to those who view Christ in a certain way?
I take it you mean the suggestion that he was addicted to porn. I agree it would offend most Christians.
Perhaps I shouldn't have asked the question about his sexual orientation, even if I believe he had one.
The pastor thought it was an insult. He overreacts. It is a defensive rather than a deliberate smear on Jesus.
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Talking of faggots, excuse my french, has the sexual orientation of Jesus Christ ever been settled?
He was addicted to porn, he was porn-again
There are different types of porn? Which one? What does the man say about gays? Is it one of those things he defers to the old covenant between his dad and the Jew?
All types
Then the man had nothing against faggots.
Nor nothing against animal husbandry or incest ...never mentioned it.
Jesus did not rewrite a dictionary on sexual aberrations, He just mentioned what is right: 'in the begining, God made them man and woman'
You need to rehearse your Antitheism arguments real fine blatha
You leave out bestiality. It enjoys pride of place in porn. Or is that what you refer to as animal husbandry?
Yes it is.
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vooke,
I take it that you will seek forgiveness from God at your own pace.
Looking at the link. What is not obvious when they say “We stand united together in defense of marriage. Make no mistake about our resolve.”
is that anyone is threatening marriage. The way I see it, gay marriage actually expands it.
One cannot help but wonder what other things they feel that they are forced to endure. I suspect free black people is one of those.
“While there are many things we can endure, redefining marriage is so fundamental to the natural order and the common good that this is the line we must draw and one we cannot and will not cross,” the pledge states.
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I would like someone to give me a justification for forcing a person to actively participate or play some direct role in an activity that his religion teaches is a sin? Why can't the gay couple approach the gazillion other businesses happy to take the money that the religious person refuses? Those who claim discrimination in these cases are lying as the bakers/florists/caterers/photographers who have been getting fined/sued serve gay people in all other capacities that don't have to do with celebrating gay union itself, such as birthdays for example, so it has nothing to do with discriminating gay people as people--One even hired gay staff for many years and had many gay customers until her business was destroyed by a gay couple she had served for years after she declined the business for their wedding ceremony. It is just that they don't want to directly participate in the event itself--gay wedding--that their religion believes is a sin. The same thing happens with Muslim and Jewish businesses. It makes perfect sense to me, and I wouldn't personally approach a seventh-day Adventist events-planner to organize a catholic religious celebration involving religious statues and such because I know he/she might probably feel that doing so is wrong, not that he/she is trying to hurt/offend me or some other nonsense. No problem. I just don't get why someone would approach a devout elderly Christian woman who believes gay sex is a sin for their gay wedding and then be surprised or offended that she doesn't want to be involved in the celebration. When the gay rights movement started, it was all about, "it doesn't affect you, let them live their own lives without interference". Its interesting noticing how fast it is turning into "participate, or else". How intolerant "tolerance" can be! Its not far-fetched now smelling a coming Christian persecution, not now, but in the next decades, if people can struggle to see such a simple principle of fairness like this one. No one gets to force gay people to live according to Christian beliefs, and no one should force those who don't believe so to live as if gay unions are perfectly moral.
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Bella,
You articulate the general Christian position well.
Yet the entities in the controversy are for profit. I believe in most US states such entities are bound by anti-discriminatory laws.
Put another way, the bakery would never have found themselves in this conundrum if they were a not-for-profit organization.