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Title: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: mya88 on April 26, 2015, 09:55:38 PM
This is very embarrassing, not that this administration even realizes it, they are insensitive to ridicule. I don't buy the BS they are trying to sell us about no fly zone in Yemen. I want to believe that people in the know would not be this careless with the president of a country as to not have clearance on a trip planned months in advance.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: Logan on April 27, 2015, 01:57:02 AM
Quote from: Kichwa Mbaya
Ouru's aborted  trip to Los Angeles is eerily comparable to  his entire presidency. How do you screw up a trip to Los Angeles? or a clear warning by UK and the Aussies that there is a terrorist attack coming up in Garissa?

Quote from: Jakoyo Midiwo
The fault is Uhuru's. If one is invited to an event , it is his/her duty to know what is expected of him. He should find out what preparations he need to make. Get some experts in the area to advice him and prepare him for that particular event.

This was different from the usual AU sessions where heads of state regurgitate the same old tired speeches before sinking back into their seats for a good siesta after a sumptuous meal.

(http://www.zimbabweelection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/mugabe-asleep.jpg)

Problem with Uhuru Kenyatta is that he is very casual and lacks attention to detail. Just boarded the plane and said  "pirot todhie" and started drinking on board.

Quote from: Logan
‘Reasons’ WHY Uhuru PLANE was FORCED to Return to Nairobi Mid-Air

By Janet Mwikali-White

(https://www.kenya-today.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/154.jpg)
News released by President Kenyatta’s Chief of Staff suggest that the president had to cancel an important trip to the US due to security concerns over the Yemeni airspace.

Its disturbing that the President’s security would be handled like a “pub bouncing agency” business. I can tell you for free that even bouncers at the old Klubhouse would do a better job than the one that Uhuru advisers are doing.

There’s absolutely no excuse to fly over the airspace of a war-torn country, not even Ukraine. We are a nation that loves shortcuts, and operate casually with total disregard to attention to detail. This presidential jet is not only piloted, but also managed by the region’s premiere Air Force. And that they would oversight the obvious, surely doesn’t make sense to me.

Kenyans aren’t stupid, and will rely on common sense, rather than buy hollow explanations from PSCU directors intent on hoodwinking Kenyans through propaganda. Take it from us; we don’t buy that explanation which has a lot of gaps.I just don’t buy the idea that the military planners who understand military hardware range capabilities, would send the president into a “death-field”. Sounds like a coup-plot to me. After letting Kenyans die like flies, these corrupt security brats may be after your own jugular Mr. President! Watch your back!
 
Which brings me to what I think happened.

1. Uhuru Forgot his Passport: and was afraid of the embarrassment of having to explain himself when entering the US or some of those connecting countries. Wetangula who faced a closer predicament would have celebrated. He probably remembered forgetting his passport while above the Ethiopian skies. They would have asked, how on earth can a man entrusted with an entire country forget his passport like a diaorganized dude? But does that surprise you about H E, who has now gotten used to having everything carried for him? But you see people can do things for you, but there are red lines they wont cross. Like we all expect that H.E will clean his own lingerie, or even keep his own passport, ID, and personal credit card.

2. Visa cancellation: This is highly unlikely, but you cant rule it given the serious criminal records in his background, yet Bensouda didn’t withdraw the case because Uhuru was innocent, but “without prejudice to bring back those charges at a later date”. And so Uhuru may never even have left the Kenyan airspace, and acted like he left, with an entire entourage in tow, simply because it would have been a shame to have failed to go due to visa reasons, after preaching to all and sundry that he is headed to the US ahead of Obama visit.

Its always so shameful when visa is denied after making everyone believe that you are headed to the US. Most of you readers have been there. I know you are asking yourselves how come he went to the US during the US-Africa summit. But the facts are that even the worst African dictators were treated to a red carpet at the White House. As such, the US Africa Summit was an essential trip organised by the Whitehouse. This Milken Global Institute trip may as well have been graced by a Junior Cabinet Secretary, like Eng. Karanja Kibicho or CS Matiangi.

3. Sabotage; we all realize that the patterns of antipathy towards UK are also evident in Kenya’s military, and someone may have deliberately designed the “ill-fated route” to set the Airforce top brass for failure.

Samuel Thuita as the Air-force Commander may have been sabotaged, because he would be the natural favorite to “the Presidency”, and probably the defacto CDF, with Gen. Mwathethe as just a pawn to portray a national image in a greater more complex power structure in the military. As a man hailing from an ODM stronghold, I doubt Mwathethe would feel comfortable with Thuita just a rung below him, and there may be a desire to clip “Thuita’s wings” by sabotaging him through this scheme.

And you never know, the sabotage may even involve sending the Presidential jet into volatile territory as part of an Egyptian style military takeover. That too cant be ruled out. If this is true, then those saboteurs, ought to be charged with attempted murder on the President, a treasonable felony under the penal code of Justice.

4. Paranoia of Okoa Kenya launch: The president may have decided to give up his travel for fear of Okoa Kenya dominating the headlines while he was away.

The President didn’t want to go at all: Yes, its literal. My crystal ball tells me UK may not have wanted to go in the first place, and wanted to look as though he was determined, but had all along planned to skip going to the US. And so a clandestine manufacture of a hoax was hatched.

5. Fell ill: It could be the man begun throwing up, and his handlers got scared, and wanted to fly him back for treatment.We all have bad days, and sometimes we may experience hang overs or serious stomach issues which may mimic a critical health situation.

6. Uniting the nation: We all remember Bush’s 911 moment and how it united the Americans. Spin things to make it seem as though the President’s own life is under threat from terror. We saw this with the media propaganda launched by the NSAC which paraded a mad man of Somali origin who is being accused of plotting to blow up Uhuru’s Gatundu “gathingra”. This had the effect of uniting the nation in solidarity and the president.

It all comes down to a President who has been grossly let down. And am daring the PSCU Directors to come out and deny whether what they said was just a spin. More to Follow in this unraveling story:


Janet Mwikali White is a security analyst based in USA, she comments on topical issues

Also: :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Could failure to adhere to standard flight clearance protocols have been the reason behind President Uhuru Kenyatta’s aborted trip to the United States?
By Citizen News

Aviation experts familiar with international travel procedures have dismissed State House claims that the President was forced to make a u-turn due to fighting in Yemen.

Instead, they blame the Air Force for failing to obtain in advance essential air space clearance.

An advance team from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs went to Los Angeles, US ahead of the President.

Cabinet met on Wednesday instead of the norm, Thursdays, and preparations for his departure to arrival in the United States were done in advance.

Sources told Citizen TV that the Air Force department of flight planning and logistics should have sought and obtained diplomatic clearance for the President’s flight path way before the expected date of the trip.
 
The flight plan maps out countries to be crossed through and clearance is done through diplomatic links.

Questions on route taken by plane

And so, did someone sleep on the job and expose the Head of State to the embarrassment of having to abruptly turn back and eventually cancel his trip?

The official position given from State House read; “following reports of increased military activity in Yemen, there was a challenge on the routing leading to a decision to turn back.”

But that was a red herring. Harambee One, the Kenya Airforce Fokker 70 carrying the Head of State, is said not to have been cleared on Ethiopian airspace over clearance issues.

However, there is the route taken that comes into question as well.

Long standing hostilities between Eritrea and Ethiopia mean that one cannot access Eritrea through Ethiopia, unless they would pass through airspace in between.

The plane carrying the President was warned to turn back but that did not happen until another warning, sources say, came with a threat to bring the plane down if the captain did not comply.

Friday morning, National Intelligence Service Director General Philip Kameru and Air Force Commander Maj. Gen Samuel Thuita were summoned to State House, and all indications point to a likelihood of serious disciplinary action being taken on individuals behind the apparent lapse and aborted trip.

Kenya’s Ambassador to Ethiopia Catherine Mwangi was summoned to Nairobi as well, and how this saga plays out in the greater Ethiopia-Kenya diplomatic relations is to be watched in coming days.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: MOON Ki on April 27, 2015, 03:28:47 AM
This is very embarrassing, not that this administration even realizes it, they are insensitive to ridicule. I don't buy the BS they are trying to sell us about no fly zone in Yemen. I want to believe that people in the know would not be this careless with the president of a country as to not have clearance on a trip planned months in advance.

That was just the first idea the Itumbis could come up with; they have now realized that it's not going to work.   With the help of certain elements in Kenyan media, the plan now is Distraction: "the fellow hosting the conference has a criminal record, so it's just as well our His Excellency did not attend".

It would be nice to believe ... but when the boss devotes so much time and effort to showing that he is "casual", "one of the boys", and always ready for "one for the road", the lack of discipline will eventually trickle down.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: vooke on April 27, 2015, 09:16:42 AM
Haven't ran into any explanation that's not 90% BS
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 27, 2015, 11:40:44 AM
Why the need for explanations?  If he turns back without excuses, it's a non-event.

I am not sure anybody would have noticed kamwana had left or was still around it they just zipped it.

Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: RV Pundit on April 27, 2015, 11:51:33 AM
Precisely. Our obsession with the mundane is something. This was a non-event. Something close to a private visit to private conference. Not an official visit to DC.
Why the need for explanations?  If he turns back without excuses, it's a non-event.

I am not sure anybody would have noticed kamwana had left or was still around it they just zipped it.


Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 27, 2015, 12:07:10 PM
Precisely. Our obsession with the mundane is something. This was a non-event. Something close to a private visit to private conference. Not an official visit to DC.
Why the need for explanations?  If he turns back without excuses, it's a non-event.

I am not sure anybody would have noticed kamwana had left or was still around it they just zipped it.


He could have simply changed his mind.  That's part of the problem of governing by spin.  It's no longer clear when they need to stop spinning.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: Empedocles on April 27, 2015, 02:00:20 PM
They ran out of fuel to continue after encountering strong headwinds. Range of the Fokker 70 could barely make it to Dubai with headwinds. Miscalculation by Uhuru's handlers who thought they can change physical laws by decree. Pilots had no choice but to attempt the flight with a short range aircraft.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: mya88 on April 27, 2015, 02:40:40 PM
Why the need for explanations?  If he turns back without excuses, it's a non-event.

I am not sure anybody would have noticed kamwana had left or was still around it they just zipped it.


There was always going to be need for explanations especially because he was expected in the US and plans had been made by other diaspora bodies for his arrival. People were looking forward to the trip and the administration had hyped it so much it was not going to go unnoticed........but the excuse they came up with was disturbing. It certainly explains the callousness with which Uhuru leads the country..........nothing better is to be expected, if he cannot even be responsible for his own wellbeing. I don't think we would be calling this mundane had his plane been shot down somewhere in a war zone because his administration failed to get clearance on the route he should have taken..
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: mya88 on April 27, 2015, 02:46:23 PM
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Problem with Uhuru Kenyatta is that he is very casual and lacks attention to detail. Just boarded the plane and said  "pirot todhie" and started drinking on board.

Te he hehe Jakoyo yawa.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: vooke on April 27, 2015, 03:19:39 PM

Most intelligent spin. Except it reduces EVERYONE else into morons. Nobody knew any of this before takeoff?
They ran out of fuel to continue after encountering strong headwinds. Range of the Fokker 70 could barely make it to Dubai with headwinds. Miscalculation by Uhuru's handlers who thought they can change physical laws by decree. Pilots had no choice but to attempt the flight with a short range aircraft.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 27, 2015, 03:32:20 PM
Why the need for explanations?  If he turns back without excuses, it's a non-event.

I am not sure anybody would have noticed kamwana had left or was still around it they just zipped it.


There was always going to be need for explanations especially because he was expected in the US and plans had been made by other diaspora bodies for his arrival. People were looking forward to the trip and the administration had hyped it so much it was not going to go unnoticed........but the excuse they came up with was disturbing. It certainly explains the callousness with which Uhuru leads the country..........nothing better is to be expected, if he cannot even be responsible for his own wellbeing. I don't think we would be calling this mundane had his plane been shot down somewhere in a war zone because his administration failed to get clearance on the route he should have taken..
I still think the man could have simply changed his mind due to other commitments and let the organizers know.  A typical President is a very busy person after all; let alone one in a country that is literally at the mercy of Al shabab.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: mya88 on April 27, 2015, 03:37:30 PM

I still think the man could have simply changed his mind due to other commitments and let the organizers know.  A typical President is a very busy person after all; let alone one in a country that is literally at the mercy of Al shabab.
That would have certainly been much better than trying to spin. He has the right to right to change his mind.......not sure about the busy part when it comes to this president, after all wasn't he at a formula 1 race in Dubai the last time Kenya was being attacked by the Alshabaab.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: Omollo on April 27, 2015, 03:51:21 PM
I am busy analysing the stories:The Uhuru Kenyatta Flight Mystery (http://omollosview.com/blog/2015/04/27/the-uhuru-kenyatta-flight-mystery/)

I found out that if the plane went as far as Aksum which is the normal route of planes heading North, then it returned home with almost no fuel to take it to Wilson Airport incase JKIA were closed by Al Shabaab. That is brinkmanship. A plane shall have enough fuel to make it to the nearest alternative landing port in this case Mombasa, Kisumu or Eldoret.

I still think the man could have simply changed his mind due to other commitments and let the organizers know.  A typical President is a very busy person after all; let alone one in a country that is literally at the mercy of Al shabab.
That would have certainly been much better than trying to spin. He has the right to right to change his mind.......not sure about the busy part when it comes to this president, after all wasn't he at a formula 1 race in Dubai the last time Kenya was being attacked by the Alshabaab.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: mya88 on April 27, 2015, 03:57:04 PM
Ommollo
I have been reading your analysis and from what you right, I gathered this much
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Fokker 70 Specifications
 Crew: two
 Cruising speed: 845 km/h (525 mph)
 Range: 3.410 km (2.119 miles)
 Service ceiling: 11.000 m (36.089 ft)
With that little amount of flight endurance, that plane even after refueling in Dubai or wherever they wanted could have never made it to the US which is about 13,000km+. Maybe he was never coming after all and just went on a joy ride to hoodwink the populace.

Then you make a very important observation about the time difference and the change in attire. Why did he need to dress in a suit to return home after a 2 hour flight?

p/s I like your new and improved website.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: MOON Ki on April 27, 2015, 04:16:35 PM
Why the need for explanations?  If he turns back without excuses, it's a non-event.

I am not sure anybody would have noticed kamwana had left or was still around it they just zipped it.

Not when the Deputy President, heads of military, cabinet secretaries, and so on line up like flower girls to see him off.    And they had to scramble to "receive" him on the unexpected return, with Ruto apparently driving himself there!
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 27, 2015, 04:46:21 PM
Why the need for explanations?  If he turns back without excuses, it's a non-event.

I am not sure anybody would have noticed kamwana had left or was still around it they just zipped it.

Not when the Deputy President, heads of military, cabinet secretaries, and so on line up like flower girls to see him off.    And they had to scramble to "receive" him on the unexpected return, with Ruto apparently driving himself there!
Hehehe..I had not considered that aspect. 

During the Nyayo era, even the parliamentary janitor had to be there on the tarmac.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: MOON Ki on April 27, 2015, 07:15:58 PM
Precisely. Our obsession with the mundane is something. This was a non-event. Something close to a private visit to private conference. Not an official visit to DC.

I don't think so.   Whether or not he made it to the USA might be considered a "non-event".   But indications of high levels of incompetence in State House and the highest echelons of government is something that should concern all Kenyans.   As mya88 has indicated, if they can bungle such things, what can they be entrusted with.

One also notes that GoK has recently hired, at taxpayers' expense, Western PR companies to spruce up the country's image overseas.    That image is hardly helped when the head of state himself is involved in silly bungling.   
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: Empedocles on April 27, 2015, 09:33:34 PM
I am busy analysing the stories:The Uhuru Kenyatta Flight Mystery (http://omollosview.com/blog/2015/04/27/the-uhuru-kenyatta-flight-mystery/)

I found out that if the plane went as far as Aksum which is the normal route of planes heading North, then it returned home with almost no fuel to take it to Wilson Airport incase JKIA were closed by Al Shabaab. That is brinkmanship. A plane shall have enough fuel to make it to the nearest alternative landing port in this case Mombasa, Kisumu or Eldoret.

I still think the man could have simply changed his mind due to other commitments and let the organizers know.  A typical President is a very busy person after all; let alone one in a country that is literally at the mercy of Al shabab.
That would have certainly been much better than trying to spin. He has the right to right to change his mind.......not sure about the busy part when it comes to this president, after all wasn't he at a formula 1 race in Dubai the last time Kenya was being attacked by the Alshabaab.

Your assumption of a straight line Nairobi to Aksum is wrong. The earth is a sphere. Add the fact that commercial and private aircraft fly along so called airways, which often are not direct routes, which have to be filed and approved by all countries they plan to fly over through a flightplan. Without a properly filed and cleared flightplan, they would never have been able to takeoff. Go to flightradar24.com and figure out the chaos (and mid-air collisions) which would take place without these measures in place.
Also note given range for the F70 is with full reserves.
The plane could have only made it to Dubai with favourable winds, which they didn't get. Uhuru's handlers gambled wrongly. The captain correctly abandoned the flight when he realised they would not make it without a refueling stop and before they reached the point of no return.
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: MOON Ki on April 27, 2015, 10:47:27 PM
Your assumption of a straight line Nairobi to Aksum is wrong.

I got lost somewhere.   Where does he assume that?
Title: Re: Why did the President have to turn back midair
Post by: Empedocles on April 28, 2015, 07:30:44 AM
Your assumption of a straight line Nairobi to Aksum is wrong.

I got lost somewhere.   Where does he assume that?

Look at his map.