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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants on April 15, 2015, 08:40:16 PM
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It's mind boggling. If a Garissa-type of attack happens there, they will wipe out Somalis in that country.
Can the AU do something about it? The country appears to be rudderless on the issue.
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It's actually amazing given that the people suffered so long under a racist system.
The notion that the AU (Africans for Uselessness) can do anything suggests that you hit the bottle early today? :D
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It's actually amazing given that the people suffered so long under a racist system.
The notion that the AU (Africans for Uselessness) can do anything suggests that you hit the bottle early today? :D
Hehehe...you are right. It might have to come down to individuals in African countries boycotting South African products.
This is a special type of crime. The perpetrator knows he will get away because the black foreigner's life in South Africa is close to worthless.
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An Ethiopian attacked in broad daylight, Joburg CBD. If it wasn't for the bravery of some Naijas who fought off the attacker, he would be history and the attackers might get a slap on the wrist.
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Mozambique, Zambia, Angola and Lesotho suffered untold hardships trying to help the South Africans gain freedom. When it became unsafe to be in these frontline countries, Tanzania opened her borders as did Mengistu.
There is no gratitude.
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An article I once read by Philip Ochieng centered on Balotelli's racist incidence where they pelted the Negro with bananas. He wondered how past victims of racism was the most racist; darker Caucasians- Jews, Italians, Spaniards......
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This is very sad indeed. Black South Africans are looking for scapegoats after the black rule of 20 yrs now didn't yield much.
The long term solution lies in finding opportunities for the many black native South Africans without the education or the drive to suceed in uorban Areas..getting these lazy bums to farms..that are illegally owned by White south Africans.Or well create job opportunities through heavy manufacturing.
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Sad thing is those Black South Africans are economically better off than most other people in African countries. The main problem here is Black South Africans are very ignorant about "Africa" as they call the rest of Africa. Actually apartheid in RSA still reigns only this time a few Blacks have joined the White elite in the gravy train.
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It is also understandable. South African is one of few African middle class economy country that attracts hordes of illegal immigrants. Naturally those immigrants will be bottom feeders displacing many poor south africans from their jobs or even lowering the wages..
It easy to codemn these people as ungrateful but surely can the south africa be ever thankfully?? while their poor are getting a bad deal.
There is no quick fix. The gov of RSA has to do the job that these protesters are doing. Deport ALL ILLEGAL immigrants. Enforce border controls. Establish a huge Daadab like camps to hold economic refugees in there.
The rest of Africa should stop running away from their countries..and start fixing them.
Sad thing is those Black South Africans are economically better off than most other people in African countries. The main problem here is Black South Africans are very ignorant about "Africa" as they call the rest of Africa. Actually apartheid in RSA still reigns only this time a few Blacks have joined the White elite in the gravy train.
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To me. It's not so much a question of aliens as scapegoats. Here is a population group that for generations had apartheid to scapegoat.
That's not to defend apartheid. But it was undeniably easy to scapegoat.
One day they wake up. It is gone. They have honed one skill; scapegoating. Who do they blame?
I think that is why you don't see the same behavior from Botswanans, who also host large foreign African populations.
The solution would be to obviously find work for these people.
South Africa should have been competing with China for manufacturing jobs from the West.
I think they haven't because their "cheap" labor is too costly; not to mention demanding.
Either way, the leaders are doing next to nothing outside of lip service, to put an end to this problem.
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The inciter has been left untouched:
If I were an African Presdent I would announce that he is persona non grata in my country and place him on a no fly list. If all Africa did it, he would have no place to hide his looted millions.
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"The most worrying thing is that all of this in happened South Africa amidst the quasi-indifference from the authorities. It took a dozen days of deadly violence in Durban for the president to be roused to action." - Burkina Faso's L'Observateur
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Its incitement,let no one blame poverty/inequality,
Without Prejudice.
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"The most worrying thing is that all of this in happened South Africa amidst the quasi-indifference from the authorities. It took a dozen days of deadly violence in Durban for the president to be roused to action." - Burkina Faso's L'Observateur
The fact that they are only attacking black Africans gives me the impression that they feel any other foreigners are okay exploiting them. Just not other Africans.
This is a direct legacy of apartheid. They have internalized the "worthlessness" of the life of a fellow black African.
The AU would have had an awesome platform to pontificate against them, if the rest of the African governments respected the rights of the people in their own territories.
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Apparently there are municipal elections around the corner and Zwellitini controls quite a number of votes. So he is untouchable for now. Yet the only person who can take him on without repercussions is fellow Zulu - Zuma. He has got cold feet.
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Nobody , No institution , not even Jacob Zuma can touch or even publicly condemn Zulu King. Jacob Zuma bows down before him.
Like Pundit said- South Africa govt should get its act right by controlling immigration . Deport all illegal immigrants and low skilled workers . Have strict border controls. South African voters shoild make uncontrolled immigration the key point in next general election. There is this attitude of entitlement to live and work in S Africa from other African immigrants which i find sickening.
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I strongly condemn the violence.
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Emmanuel Sithole. He looks like any random South African. He is Mozambican.
He is attacked. First by a man with a wrench. Then another one with a knife. People otherwise unmoved to lift a finger. By the filth on the street.
The doctor at the nearest hospital is not there to treat him. He(the doctor) is a foreigner. Scared for his life.
(http://i0.wp.com/2.bp.blogspot.com/-Xd59xU_gtRk/VTOPmKR1jrI/AAAAAAABuGo/D-h5TWRdB3s/s1600/xeno7.jpg?resize=640%2C406)(http://newsafrica.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/xeno-murder-4.jpg)
In a gutter in Alexandra a Mozambican man stopped and lay down. The gash to his chest meant he could go no further.
At the day clinic less than 100m away they could not help him. The doctor scheduled to be on duty did not show up because he was a foreigner and feared being a victim of xenophobia.
It began on Friday night when mobs blockaded Arkwright Avenue, one of the main thoroughfares in Alexandra, with rubble and burning tyres. Foreign-owned shops’ roofs were ripped open and metal gates torn away as looters went on the rampage.
http://newsafrica.co.uk/the-brutal-murder-of-emmanuel-sithole/ (http://newsafrica.co.uk/the-brutal-murder-of-emmanuel-sithole/)
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RSA has to really deal with Xenophobia (symptom) of the wide divide btw rich (mostly whites) and poor blacks.
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RSA has to really deal with Xenophobia (symptom) of the wide divide btw rich (mostly whites) and poor blacks.
Er, em, ... the real divide these days is between the poor blacks and the "elite blacks" that are eating like nobody's business and have forgotten what the apartheid struggle was all about.
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I didnt know South Africans have so little education especially after 20yrs of independence. Zuma is busy with more wives instead of more education. What a pity.
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time to go Mugabe .... elitist South Africa has been scoffing at Mugabenomics and here they are ..the whites do not stand a chance with Malema unless they poison him today
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Jake Zuma wonders out loud why other Africans are in South Africa instead of their countries. He says the murdered Mozambican was an illegal immigrant who used a false name.
SOUTH AFRICA President Jacob Zuma Monday lashed out at Africa governments who “criticise the South African government but their citizens are in our country”, even he took a firm stance against stance on the wave of xenophobic violence that has gripped the country.
Addressing the public on Freedom Day at the Union Buildings South Lawn, Zuma chastised governments who have criticised the South African government for the violence that has claimed seven lives.
“As much as we have a problem that is alleged to be xenophobic, our sister countries contribute to this. Why are their citizens not in their countries and are in South Africa?” he asked.
This comes in the wake of Nigeria recalling its ambassador to South Africa in protest at the xenophobic violence.
Nigeria has summoned Acting High Commissioner Martin Cobham and Deputy High Commissioner Uche Ajulu-Okeke “for consultations” over the “ongoing xenophobia”, Minister of Foreign Affairs Aminu Wali said in a statement on Saturday.
Zuma said a frank conversation on illegal immigrants needed to take place within the Southern African Development Community (SADC) as well as the African Union.
Zuma mentioned the murder of Mozambican citizen Manuel Jossias—first identified as Emmanuel Sithole—in the Alexandra township.
“He used a false name to avoid detection by authorities as he was an illegal immigrant,” he said.
Zuma paid tribute to the three South Africans who were killed in the attacks in Durban: Ayanda Dlamini, Msawenkosi Dlamini and Thabo Mzobe, who was 14 years old.
He said South Africans were angry, adding; “We need to be cured, we are sick”.
http://mgafrica.com/article/2015-04-27-on-xenophobic-attacks-zuma-asks-africa-why-are-their-citizens-not-in-their-countries-and-are-in-south-africa#.VT501qUVhBf
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He was crude and insensitive in bring up the specific case of Manuel from Mozambique, but would he be Zuma otherwise. Nevertheless, he does have a point in this:
Zuma said a frank conversation on illegal immigrants needed to take place within the Southern African Development Community (SADC) as well as the African Union.
And in that regard, it is important to make a difference between "economic refugees" and "people who need protection". I have, for example, noted that some people will point to the fact that Kenya or this or that country hosts this or that number of refugees. But they do not take into account that in Kenya, say, such people are confined in very unpleasant conditions, in a dusty place that even most Kenyans have no use for. That is very different from having people all over the place, doing all sorts of things.
Before the Emotional Brigade storms out of its barracks: In no way am I saying that illegal immigrants in South Africa have not been badly treated or that they should not be protected against nasty & unwarranted attacks or that South Africans should not be better educated ....
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He was crude and insensitive in bring up the specific case of Manuel from Mozambique, but would he be Zuma otherwise. Nevertheless, he does have a point in this:
Zuma said a frank conversation on illegal immigrants needed to take place within the Southern African Development Community (SADC) as well as the African Union.
And in that regard, it is important to make a difference between "economic refugees" and "people who need protection". I have, for example, noted that some people will point to the fact that Kenya or this or that country hosts this or that number of refugees. But they do not take into account that in Kenya, say, such people are confined in very unpleasant conditions, in a dusty place that even most Kenyans have no use for. That is very different from having people all over the place, doing all sorts of things.
Before the Emotional Brigade storms out of its barracks: In no way am I saying that illegal immigrants in South Africa have not been badly treated or that they should not be protected against nasty & unwarranted attacks or that South Africans should not be better educated ....
While he also has a point about bad leadership in other African countries(even if his own is just as bad and worse). He shows poor judgment in bringing it up at this time. This is something they should be discussing during the annual orgies in Addis.
Ultimately I think South Africa should seek to be a place where other Africans want to move to. I am yet to understand why instead of competing with the Asian tigers, South Africa is fighting with makwerekwere over crumbs.
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While he also has a point about bad leadership in other African countries(even if his own is just as bad and worse). He shows poor judgment in bringing it up at this time. This is something they should be discussing during the annual orgies in Addis.
Zuma showing poor judgment. He, he, he, ... He is feeling the heat and reacting without really thinking. My point, however, is that this is the sort of thing that won't be brought up at the "AU orgies", so there is one tiny positive element in his opening his big mouth. I.e. "let's start to talk about it".
Ultimately I think South Africa should seek to be a place where other Africans want to move to.
I have always had higher hopes---that it can be an example that other African countries would wish to emulate. Be like them, instead of having to join them.
I am yet to understand why instead of competing with the Asian tigers, South Africa is fighting with makwerekwere over crumbs.
Indeed. Countries like SA and Nigeria really ought to be the economic engines of the continent.
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RSA has to really deal with Xenophobia (symptom) of the wide divide btw rich (mostly whites) and poor blacks.
Er, em, ... the real divide these days is between the poor blacks and the "elite blacks" that are eating like nobody's business and have forgotten what the apartheid struggle was all about.
South African wealth is in the hands of whites. This is a self-evident fact, two minutes after you land at the airport. Especially in the Western Cape.
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So say an economic refugee whose spent all his life abroad...not because kenya was at any war..but because opportunities to make decent living are simply not there.South Africa is essentially suffering because Zim collapsed (what went down in Zim is not any different from war..)..
RSA is not any different from kenya...we can try to confine Somalis and Sudanese in Camps..but many of them have ended up in our towns.
Gov of RSA need to control immigrants and what they can do and not do. Some of them may have to be taken to Daadab like camps. Some of them allowed to freely move and work. Some of them taken to prison.
Before the Emotional Brigade storms out of its barracks: In no way am I saying that illegal immigrants in South Africa have not been badly treated or that they should not be protected against nasty & unwarranted attacks or that South Africans should not be better educated ....
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Don't interrupt the blame Africa and Africans for everything Moonki.
It rather obvious that South Africa really need to do something esp regarding land ownership. That will take away the anger that is boiling over in township.
Those south African unable to compete with even the lowest of immigrants..ought be out there..farming and foraging the land. But they can't because Mandela and RSA leaders..unlike Mugabe are not yet ready to deal with land questions.
It is like kenya getting independence and the white highlands are still largely intact.
RSA have to create opportunities for their downtrodden....immigrants are a sideshow...once they kick out immigrants...those guys will steal remain poor.
RSA black poor are uneducated (a legacy of apartheid)...and can only really function as farm hand and farm help. They need to own their land.
Here is ZUma still outlining proposals on land reforms in 2015!!!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31471427
Whilst...Two decades after the end of apartheid, land is still concentrated in the hands of a largely white minority, and remains a sensitive issue.
South African wealth is in the hands of whites. This is a self-evident fact, two minutes after you land at the airport Especially in the Western Cape.
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So say an economic refugee whose spent all his life abroad...not because kenya was at any war..
You need to return to the barracks and cool down, boy. After that, consider the facts objectively.
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It rather obvious that South Africa really need to do something esp regarding land ownership. That will take away the anger that is boiling over in township.
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RSA have to create opportunities for their downtrodden....immigrants are a sideshow...once they kick out immigrants...those guys will steal remain poor.
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RSA black poor are uneducated (a legacy of apartheid)...and can only really function as farm hand and farm help. They need to own their land.
Here is ZUma still outlining proposals on land reforms in 2015!!!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31471427
Whilst...Two decades after the end of apartheid, land is still concentrated in the hands of a largely white minority, and remains a sensitive issue.
This is much better---the idea that South Africans can themselves do for their poor and desperate.
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And who the hell is a boy. Look like you can no longer engage in a civil discourse with half-baked ideas blaming AU everywhere. I think you'll find the nipate.com aka toilet just the perfect place for your type. You either discuss the issues at end or get the hell out of here. Nobody here want to go the previous path of Nipate.com which right now is truly a sad place...and you really missed the memo.
You need to return to the barracks and cool down, boy. After that, consider the facts objectively.
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And who the hell is a boy. Look like you can no longer engage in a civil discourse with half-baked ideas blaming AU everywhere. I think you'll find the nipate.com aka toilet just the perfect place for your type. You either discuss the issues at end or get the hell out of here.
:D :D :D
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Well It really upto you. I have seen your previous failed attempt to really rile up Veritas for absolute no good reason and I think you're getting frustrated given your half-baked ideas here are finding no traction.
Take my suggestion seriously. Relocate to Nipate.com and make a huge dump there.
:D :D :D
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Don't interrupt the blame Africa and Africans for everything Moonki.
It rather obvious that South Africa really need to do something esp regarding land ownership. That will take away the anger that is boiling over in township.
Those south African unable to compete with even the lowest of immigrants..ought be out there..farming and foraging the land. But they can't because Mandela and RSA leaders..unlike Mugabe are not yet ready to deal with land questions.
It is like kenya getting independence and the white highlands are still largely intact.
RSA have to create opportunities for their downtrodden....immigrants are a sideshow...once they kick out immigrants...those guys will steal remain poor.
RSA black poor are uneducated (a legacy of apartheid)...and can only really function as farm hand and farm help. They need to own their land.
Here is ZUma still outlining proposals on land reforms in 2015!!!
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31471427 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31471427)
Whilst...Two decades after the end of apartheid, land is still concentrated in the hands of a largely white minority, and remains a sensitive issue.
South African wealth is in the hands of whites. This is a self-evident fact, two minutes after you land at the airport Especially in the Western Cape.
I think the land has to remain in boer hands. Boers, for all their shortcomings, are good farmers. That is partly the reason the Azanian is dealing with obesity.
The situation one wants to avoid is when the Soweto tsotsi now-turned farmer discovers that he is not only still poor, but food is now scarce and expensive. What these guys need are new industries.
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You think the boer is genetically a good farmer? or what. Like in Zim, initially the new farmers will have problems, but eventually they'll figure it out. Most of kenya agriculture that works including tea, coffee,horticulture, name it...are smallholders.
Industries would be all good...but they don't have them.
They have land though. They've got about 89 Million acres of arable land...with about 80M(90%) owned by boers who are abt 5% of the population. All it takes is a radical decision by ANC to disposses the boers and give them monetary compensation.
Before industries come on board..something the boers are more prepared to transition into....leave the poor uneducated africa cultivating his own food.
I think the land has to remain in boer hands. Boers, for all their shortcomings, are good farmers. That is partly the reason the Azanian is dealing with obesity.
The situation one wants to avoid is when the Soweto tsotsi now-turned farmer discovers that he is not only still poor, but food is now scarce and expensive. What these guys need are new industries.
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Well It really upto you. I have seen your previous failed attempt to really rile up Veritas for absolute no good reason
He, he, he, .... that is very funny. Veritas will tell you that we are actually good friends and that we amuse each other in our own ways.
Relocate to Nipate.com and make a huge dump there.
Now, that's simply not nice!
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Just try to refer to me as RV Pundit. I am not boy. I don't work in a barracks. And I'm not that important. Skip the pleasantries and deal with topic at hand. Always. You might want to check out the toilet.com once in a while to see just how sad a place can be if we all decide to go that level.
Well It really upto you. I have seen your previous failed attempt to really rile up Veritas for absolute no good reason
He, he, he, .... that is very funny. Veritas will tell you that we are actually good friends and that we amuse each other in our own ways.
Relocate to Nipate.com and make a huge dump there.
Now, that's simply not nice!
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You think the boer is genetically a good farmer? or what. Like in Zim, initially the new farmers will have problems, but eventually they'll figure it out. Most of kenya agriculture that works including tea, coffee,horticulture, name it...are smallholders.
Industries would be all good...but they don't have them.
They have land though. They've got about 89 Million acres of arable land...with about 80M(90%) owned by boers who are abt 5% of the population. All it takes is a radical decision by ANC to disposses the boers and give them monetary compensation.
Before industries come on board..something the boers are more prepared to transition into....leave the poor uneducated africa cultivating his own food.
I think the land has to remain in boer hands. Boers, for all their shortcomings, are good farmers. That is partly the reason the Azanian is dealing with obesity.
The situation one wants to avoid is when the Soweto tsotsi now-turned farmer discovers that he is not only still poor, but food is now scarce and expensive. What these guys need are new industries.
It's not genes at all. Just history. I just feel Zimbabwe is a lesson right next door. The only difference being that the South African is more urbanized therefore less equipped to farm and will have nowhere to run when shit hits the fan.
I believe they don't have new industries because the ANC have failed to market themselves to foreign investors instead focusing on unsustainable social programs. That's my gut feeling.
Focusing on the Boer is the usual blame-the-other habit that has them in the current situation to begin with. I agree apartheid messed them up pretty good. The ideal situation would be to compensate them.
But in some situations, the only way is to move forward. For the sake of posterity. There have been worse crimes in history.
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I think the lesson they can learn from Zim is to do early like Kenya did it. Kenya successfully kicked out about the same number of white farmers in about 1M Hectares of land btw 1960-1970s.
Zim didn't want to do it that way and left white farmers long while Mugabe-Brits kept postponing what flew in the face of anyone as being an evil anomaly..2% (or about 5,000) white farmers owning about 90% of all arable land in an African country? while the poor black without as much as anything to fallback is employed as farm help or cleaner or factory worker in small towns.
In RSA..it seem 40,000 whites own 80% of the land !!!!! That is unacceptable.
When a black south african loses his job as cleaner or factory worker..where does he fallback into? Where is his ushago? To fallback and restart life.
RSA have spent 20yrs now..since independence...and have managed to only transfer 9% of the land....soon enough a Malema will come to power and shit will it the fan.
Boers should transition into industries...while gov should give poorest of south africans free land...or land on loan.
The signs are already out there...violent crime and xenophobia...while growth has grounded to halt....they need to do something like radically divided the land for poor africans without option. A boer can get into a plane and get citizenship in any country in the world..and get really cheap land in America, Europe and Oceania..Canada is empty...what options does a black african has.
If you need to see RSA...you just need to visit kericho tea estates....the same mess...blacks living in small rooms without any progression education wise...living at mercy of one dude who owns 20,000 acres of land. I had rather any rural part of kenya than that. Yes there is running water,electricity, roads, and order (24-7)..but whose land, whose roads, whose law and order..the white farmer. If anything happen like low tea prices or bad weather..they are dispensable.
It's not genes at all. Just history. I just feel Zimbabwe is a lesson right next door. The only difference being that the South African is more urbanized therefore less equipped to farm and will have nowhere to run when shit hits the fan.
I believe they don't have new industries because the ANC have failed to market themselves to foreign investors instead focusing on unsustainable social programs. That's my gut feeling.
Focusing on the Boer is the usual blame-the-other habit that has them in the current situation to begin with. I agree apartheid messed them up pretty good. The ideal situation would be to compensate them.
But in some situations, the only way is to move forward. For the sake of posterity. There have been worse crimes in history.
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I think the lesson they can learn from Zim is to do early like Kenya did it. Kenya successfully kicked out about the same number of white farmers in about 1M Hectares of land btw 1960-1970s.
Zim didn't want to do it that way and left white farmers long while Mugabe-Brits kept postponing what flew in the face of anyone as being an evil anomaly..2% (or about 5,000) white farmers owning about 90% of all arable land in an African country? while the poor black without as much as anything to fallback is employed as farm help or cleaner or factory worker in small towns.
In RSA..it seem 40,000 whites own 80% of the land !!!!! That is unacceptable.
When a black south african loses his job as cleaner or factory worker..where does he fallback into? Where is his ushago? To fallback and restart life.
RSA have spent 20yrs now..since independence...and have managed to only transfer 9% of the land....soon enough a Malema will come to power and shit will it the fan.
Boers should transition into industries...while gov should give poorest of south africans free land...or land on loan.
The signs are already out there...violent crime and xenophobia...while growth has grounded to halt....they need to do something like radically divided the land for poor africans without option. A boer can get into a plane and get citizenship in any country in the world..and get really cheap land in America, Europe and Oceania..Canada is empty...what options does a black african has.
If you need to see RSA...you just need to visit kericho tea estates....the same mess...blacks living in small rooms without any progression education wise...living at mercy of one dude who owns 20,000 acres of land. I had rather any rural part of kenya than that. Yes there is running water,electricity, roads, and order (24-7)..but whose land, whose roads, whose law and order..the white farmer. If anything happen like low tea prices or bad weather..they are dispensable.
It's not genes at all. Just history. I just feel Zimbabwe is a lesson right next door. The only difference being that the South African is more urbanized therefore less equipped to farm and will have nowhere to run when shit hits the fan.
I believe they don't have new industries because the ANC have failed to market themselves to foreign investors instead focusing on unsustainable social programs. That's my gut feeling.
Focusing on the Boer is the usual blame-the-other habit that has them in the current situation to begin with. I agree apartheid messed them up pretty good. The ideal situation would be to compensate them.
But in some situations, the only way is to move forward. For the sake of posterity. There have been worse crimes in history.
I honestly don't know what they should do. It certainly doesn't look good for so few to hold so much. Yet it is difficult to argue against a certain way things go when the African is fully vested with control.
Ideally, whichever way they go, it should be something the Boers buy into or something that makes RSA grow fast. Or it's the toilet for SADC.
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If you need to see RSA...you just need to visit kericho tea estates....the same mess...blacks living in small rooms without any progression education wise...living at mercy of one dude who owns 20,000 acres of land. I had rather any rural part of kenya than that. Yes there is running water,electricity, roads, and order (24-7)..but whose land, whose roads, whose law and order..the white farmer. If anything happen like low tea prices or bad weather..they are dispensable.
Is this a description of tea estates in Kenya?
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Right. I have lived next to it in growing up and have schooled in one primary school under tea estate...and I don't remember water or electricity ever running short...everything seem to be in order...except when you really examine the african workers..and you soon realize...you had rather live elsewhere except here. This is south africa.When African leaders complain..they are carved a portion of the tea estate and all goes back to being happy.
I can tell you they have to import workers from very far...rwandese and turkanas..and kurias..were reliable due to desperation...otherwise an african with 2-3 acres of land..has no business staying here....as much as developed as it looks.
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(http://www.rainforest-alliance.org/sites/default/files/styles/w574_h338/public/multimedia/slideshow/slideshow-images/slide_8.jpg?itok=yK1JRcxw)
Is this a description of tea estates in Kenya?
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I think hard decision need to be taken...now..otherwise a Malema will take those decision later. Like apertheid before this isn't sustainable. I'm sure if we were in 80s, you would have said Boer is good leader or well RSA was great coz of apertheid.
But everyone knew in the long ran, the minority rule by boers was not sustainable...good leaders they were.
The minority ownership of land by boers dubiously (see how they acquired it) is NOT SUSTAINABLE.Like apertheid, it seem foolish to replace world class commercial farmers with illeterate Africans, but it will be done.
The same way USA treatment of black males is not sustainable...is the same way boers ownership of the most basic of factors of production in RSA is not sustainable.
Something got to give....eventually. The blacks in US have drawn the line...against police profilling and jailing them in shocking numbers.
I honestly don't know what they should do. It certainly doesn't look good for so few to hold so much. Yet it is difficult to argue against a certain way things go when the African is fully vested with control.
Ideally, whichever way they go, it should be something the Boers buy into or something that makes RSA grow fast. Or it's the toilet for SADC.
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I think hard decision need to be taken...now..otherwise a Malema will take those decision later. Like apertheid before this isn't sustainable. I'm sure if we were in 80s, you would have said Boer is good leader or well RSA was great coz of apertheid.
But everyone knew in the long ran, the minority rule by boers was not sustainable...good leaders they were.
The minority ownership of land by boers dubiously (see how they acquired it) is NOT SUSTAINABLE.Like apertheid, it seem foolish to replace world class commercial farmers with illeterate Africans, but it will be done.
The same way USA treatment of black males is not sustainable...is the same way boers ownership of the most basic of factors of production in RSA is not sustainable.
Something got to give....eventually. The blacks in US have drawn the line...against police profilling and jailing them in shocking numbers.
I honestly don't know what they should do. It certainly doesn't look good for so few to hold so much. Yet it is difficult to argue against a certain way things go when the African is fully vested with control.
Ideally, whichever way they go, it should be something the Boers buy into or something that makes RSA grow fast. Or it's the toilet for SADC.
I was against the Boer during apartheid. I was opposed to the principle. It is fair to say that now that the Boer is out of power, the African foreigner is the bogeyman.
I supported Mugabe's land grabs. I think they need to approach the land issue responsibly rather than emotionally.
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The more I think about it, the more I see RSA is not too far from South Sudan; it may be reduced to rubble faster than Nepal's temples under the last week's quake
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With the clueless Zuma at the helm and the likes of Malema touted as presidential material there is not much hope for Azania.
Frankly speaking, whatever one thinks of the whites and their abhorrent apartheid system they bequeathed the black majority with many valuable assets: a science, technology and engineering base--excellent geologists and geophysicists, world class mining engineers (they are profs at top US mining and engineering schools), SASOL opened the world's first coal liquefaction plant in the 1950s, first-class infrastructure in many cities, a strong military--the special forces under the apartheid SADF were almost on a par with some of the world's best-- a military program that produced nuclear weapons as well as chemical and biological weapons. And so on and so forth. And of the few people on the continent to have ever won the Nobel Prize in the rigorous fields of the Sciences, say, in Medicine, Physics or Chemistry, four of them were white South Africans. The rest of Africa save for Egypt--with one Chemistry Nobel--has never won a Science Nobel.
The onus is on the ANC and the rest of the political class to educate the citizens, and reduce the huge inequalities between white-black and the intra-black inequalities that will continue breeding more resentment and spawning more Malemas.