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Forum => Controversial => Topic started by: vooke on March 27, 2015, 08:42:42 AM
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Ellen Gould White, the goddess of Seventh Day Adventists made many bizarre claims such as Negro came from man romping chimps,Jupiter is inhabited by some tall guys, masturbation causes cancer,rheumatism....
She also tried her hand at prophecy but came out with epic fails. Despite all this, SDAs swear allegiance to her and believe her writings are as inspired as Paul's or Moses. Many ignorant people think that SDAs' distinction is sabbath keeping. It is not, their distinction is allegiance to Ellen White, the belief that her writings are inspired and thus a 'continuing source of authority'. Before baptism, one is made to declare that they believe this.
Apart from her past failed prophecies, one that stands unfulfilled is the National Sunday Law. What the hell is this?
"In this our day, many of God's servants, though innocent of wrongdoing, will be given over to suffer humiliation and abuse at the hands of those who, inspired by Satan, are filled with envy and religious bigotry. Especially will the wrath of man be aroused against those who hallow the Sabbath of the fourth commandment; and at last a universal decree will denounce these as deserving of death."
Ellen White, guided by the then Sunday Laws (ALL her predictions and writings were based on EXISTING and readily available info) predicted that the entire world will criminalize sabbath keeping and actively persecute and possibly kill sabbath keepers(SDAs). The law would also enforce Sunday as the sabbath.
While Christians are asked to expect persecution, SDAs have narrowed this to sabbath keeping. Nuff Sed our resident SDAs with all her brains is BOUND to believe this seeing it came from her inspired prophet, the only one God has used for the last 1900 years.
Just what are the odds of this law being passed in the US let alone the entire world?
Imagine forcing Muslims,atheists,LGBTs,secular-humanists to be Sunday keepers for starters. The odds are next to nil.
Where does that leave Nuff Sed and the SDA brigade? More and more disillusioned and just a few meters away from that apocalyptic cult in Laikipia who live in holes to escape nuclear radiation from a nuclear war
source (http://www.nonsda.org/egw/nsl/egw22c.htm)
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Ellen Gould White, the goddess of Seventh Day Adventists made many bizarre claims such as Negro came from man romping chimps,Jupiter is inhabited by some tall guys, masturbation causes cancer,rheumatism....
Is this really true (the bold part)?
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vooke,
There are a lot of strange things you believe without being hounded daily on nipate. Can you let Daily Bread enjoy her religious freedom without persecution?
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Kadame,
Can you imagine that
http://www.nonegw.org/critica.shtml
You can also try to make sense of their 'explanation' for that strange claim right here;
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/amalg.html
Around that time they also believed so many crappy stuff. But I understand science is not static; we are always discovering stuff. The problem is insisting that this garbage is as inspired as Romans, and utterly despise everyone who does not buy it. With the benefit of over 150 years of science, you would expect anybody with half a brain to question the inspiration claims, lakini wapi? They instead cover up these embarassing claims
Ellen Gould White, the goddess of Seventh Day Adventists made many bizarre claims such as Negro came from man romping chimps,Jupiter is inhabited by some tall guys, masturbation causes cancer,rheumatism....
Is this really true (the bold part)?
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Termie,
In case you noticed, it is Nuff Sed who came to church on Sunday and opened a new thread to bash whatever she saw there. I felt it would have been very rude ignoring her so I responded
vooke,
There are a lot of strange things you believe without being hounded daily on nipate. Can you let Daily Bread enjoy her religious freedom without persecution?
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kadame,
Ever heard of 'Dies Domini'?
Some communication from Catholicism/Papacy appeared to validate EGW prophecies of National Sunday Law. Lakini wapi? You have no idea the extremes SDAs go to 'prove' that EGW is inspired
Read all about their shenanigans here (http://www.nonsda.org/egw/nsl/egw22d.htm)
I don't understand their fixation with Catholicism; it almost a pilar of their faith to hate Catholicism
The truth is that over the last century the Seventh-day Adventists have never produced any substantial evidence that Christian leaders intend to enforce Sunday observance on Sabbatarian Christians. On the contrary, there is significant evidence that Congress has no intention of passing any Sunday laws any time in the foreseeable future. For example, notice what the former United States House majority leader, Dick Armey wrote:
"I have not heard of any legislation in Congress which would establish a national blue law setting aside Sunday as a national day of worship."5
The only evidence Adventists have is the behavior of the Catholic church in the past. Their theory is that the Catholic church will once again regain supremacy in the world and will re-institute the inquisition and other religious persecutions of the past.
After spending recent centuries apologizing for its past errors it is difficult imagining the Catholic church re-instituting the very institutions it now admits were wrong. It is also difficult imagining the world community sitting idly by and letting the Vatican murder all the Sabbath-keepers in the world. What would Catholicism possibly hope to gain by killing all the Sabbath-keepers in the world? If they ever were to attempt such an outrageous act, they would be regarded as worse than Hitler, whom the entire world loathes. Would that be a wise thing for the Catholic church to do? Would that make them popular? Far from it! If they ever attempted such an act the whole world would probably rise up against them and destroy them just as it rose up and destroyed Hitler.
All the Adventist speculative talk of Catholicism regaining control of the world is amusing. For centuries the Catholic church has been on a steady decline of power. The church is losing ground in many places throughout the world. Pentecostal and other Protestant churches, including Seventh-day Adventists, have made tremendous strides in winning converts in the once Catholic strongholds of Central and South America. If the conversions continue at present rates, the Catholic Church will soon become a minority in a number of these countries. In Europe the people are, for the most part, living in a secular, post-Christian world. Christianity in general and the Catholic Church in particular no longer have any relevance for many Europeans. The Catholic Church has been struggling financially. It has been having difficulty attracting new priests and nuns. The Catholic Church has even gone so far as to meet with its one-time enemy--the Lutheran church--in order to redefine its teaching on salvation in order make peace with the Lutherans. The Catholic church is also facing difficulties with sexual misconduct of priests, priests who publicly differ from the papal policies, and internal strife on a number of issues, such as the ordination of female priests. Rather than being a super-power poised to take control of the world and enforce Sunday observance upon everyone, Catholicism is a declining church, struggling to survive in a world that no longer grasps its relevance.
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Nuff Sed,
Are you a prisoner of FEAR? (http://www.nonsda.org/egw/nsl/egw22f.htm)
Is this teaching dangerous?
After considering all of the evidence presented, some might say that while it is true that a Sunday law appears extremely unlikely, what is the danger of believing such a teaching? What harm could possibly come from it? The truth is that it is always harmful to believe a falsehood about Bible prophecy. Adventists, of all the people on the earth, should be able to understand how dangerous it is! Look what happened in 1844! Perhaps as many as 50,000 people were deluded by a fanatical leader to believe that Christ was returning in 1844. That delusion led to financial ruin, destruction of families, bitter disappointment, and in a few instances, even suicide. Is it dangerous to believe a false teaching? Was it dangerous for the Branch Davidians of Waco, Texas, to believe the misguided teachings of leader David Koresh?
Teachings such as the National Sunday law are deceptive. They take the focus off of the real issues of Christianity, and the real persecutions that are taking place around the world. Instead, they focus the attention on future events that are unlikely to ever take place. While other Christians are following Christ's command to take the gospel into all the world, some Adventists spend all their time and effort trying to convince other Christians that a Sunday law is going to be passed and they need to start keeping the Sabbath in order to be one of the remnant that is saved when Christ returns. One Adventist pastor spends his time traveling around the world, visiting Adventist churches in order to warn people about the coming Sunday laws. This type of activity is not only a waste of time and effort, but it is also direct disobedience to Christ who commanded Christians to take the "good news" of salvation--not the "bad news" of fear--into all the world.
Teachings such as the National Sunday law are dangerous. Since Adventists know that a Sunday law will be passed before Jesus returns, there is always the danger that some will delay preparing their hearts for Christ's return because they think to themselves, "Well, the Sunday law is still years away, so I do not have to worry yet about getting my life in harmony with God's pattern right now." Humans have a tendency to procrastinate. Adventists are being lulled to sleep by a false sense of security. While they are putting Christ's return years into the future after a National Sunday Law is passed by Congress, Christ may decide to return far sooner than they expected.
Teachings such as the National Sunday law are divisive. Rather than promote love and understanding between those of different faiths, these teachings create fear and suspicion. How can an Adventist have fellowship with a Sunday-keeper whom they suspect is secretly planning to pass laws to torture and kill them?
The National Sunday Law serves only one purpose. It generates fear. No cult can survive long without fear. The time has come for Adventists to face the facts and admit that a National Sunday Law is no longer feasible or even meaningful. It is time for them to turn away from this unscriptural teaching and turn away from fear.It is time for Adventists to stop using fear tactics to persuade people to join their church. Many people become Sabbath-keepers for reasons other than fear. Giving up the Sunday law teaching does not mean Adventists must give up their Sabbath or any of their other distinctive teachings. It simply means that they are willing to take a second look at Bible prophecy and admit that perhaps the future may not unfold in the exact manner that their pioneers had predicted. It is time for Adventists to stop preaching fear and join wholeheartedly with their Sunday-keeping brothers and sisters in fulfilling Christ's great commission to take the gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ into all the world.
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Canon 13 of the Council at Friaul:
“We command all Christians to observe the Lord’s day with all reverence and due devotion, commencing Saturday evening at the sounding of a bell, which marks the hour of the vesper service to be held not in honor of the past Sabbath, but on account of that holy night of the first of the week called the Lord’s day. First of all, abstain from all sin and all works of the flesh, and from all cohabitation and all agricultural work, and let nothing else take u your time but to go to church, hear the sermon with the greatest of devotion, ceasing from all clamor of lawsuits, rendering thanks unto god the Father and praising his only begotten Son from the heart, who has sanctified this day by his glorious resurrection, and sing hymns unto the Holy Spirit, which has blessed it by his miraculous descent, when it came down in fiery tongues upon the happy apostles. For it is believed that on this most holy day nearly all the spiritual gifts have been imparted to the world. On this very day after the resurrection, the Lord breathed upon his disciples the Holy Spirit, for the forgiveness of sins. On this day the Lord fed five thousand people with five loaves in the desert. On it manna first rained from heaven in the desert. On other spiritual blessings have been bestowed on this day, which would be too numerous to mention in order. It is therefore that delightful Sabbath of which it is written: Whosoever does any work, ie sin, on it, he shall die."
Rome has not repudiated these edicts. And all that the fake pastor can ask is whether Nuffsed has fear.
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what is your IQ?
whether repudiated or not, there is ZERO......SUBZERO power to enforce them. Are they even in force in Vatican?
Canon 13 of the Council at Friaul:
“We command all Christians to observe the Lord’s day with all reverence and due devotion, commencing Saturday evening at the sounding of a bell, which marks the hour of the vesper service to be held not in honor of the past Sabbath, but on account of that holy night of the first of the week called the Lord’s day. First of all, abstain from all sin and all works of the flesh, and from all cohabitation and all agricultural work, and let nothing else take u your time but to go to church, hear the sermon with the greatest of devotion, ceasing from all clamor of lawsuits, rendering thanks unto god the Father and praising his only begotten Son from the heart, who has sanctified this day by his glorious resurrection, and sing hymns unto the Holy Spirit, which has blessed it by his miraculous descent, when it came down in fiery tongues upon the happy apostles. For it is believed that on this most holy day nearly all the spiritual gifts have been imparted to the world. On this very day after the resurrection, the Lord breathed upon his disciples the Holy Spirit, for the forgiveness of sins. On this day the Lord fed five thousand people with five loaves in the desert. On it manna first rained from heaven in the desert. On other spiritual blessings have been bestowed on this day, which would be too numerous to mention in order. It is therefore that delightful Sabbath of which it is written: Whosoever does any work, ie sin, on it, he shall die."
Rome has not repudiated these edicts. And all that the fake pastor can ask is whether Nuffsed has fear.
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Do you think force is the only means by which religious bigotry and persecution works? Hint: Rome created a fake pastor on nipate without use force. Through that means, Sunday worship became his goddess and EGW his endless nightmare. Most fake pastors fear Rome more than they fear God.
what is your IQ?
whether repudiated or not, there is ZERO......SUBZERO power to enforce them. Are they even in force in Vatican?
Canon 13 of the Council at Friaul:
“We command all Christians to observe the Lord’s day with all reverence and due devotion, commencing Saturday evening at the sounding of a bell, which marks the hour of the vesper service to be held not in honor of the past Sabbath, but on account of that holy night of the first of the week called the Lord’s day. First of all, abstain from all sin and all works of the flesh, and from all cohabitation and all agricultural work, and let nothing else take u your time but to go to church, hear the sermon with the greatest of devotion, ceasing from all clamor of lawsuits, rendering thanks unto god the Father and praising his only begotten Son from the heart, who has sanctified this day by his glorious resurrection, and sing hymns unto the Holy Spirit, which has blessed it by his miraculous descent, when it came down in fiery tongues upon the happy apostles. For it is believed that on this most holy day nearly all the spiritual gifts have been imparted to the world. On this very day after the resurrection, the Lord breathed upon his disciples the Holy Spirit, for the forgiveness of sins. On this day the Lord fed five thousand people with five loaves in the desert. On it manna first rained from heaven in the desert. On other spiritual blessings have been bestowed on this day, which would be too numerous to mention in order. It is therefore that delightful Sabbath of which it is written: Whosoever does any work, ie sin, on it, he shall die."
Rome has not repudiated these edicts. And all that the fake pastor can ask is whether Nuffsed has fear.
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Here is bigotry defined.
2. Adventists Are Exclusive
Some unknown soul described it this way:
"We walked into the New Jerusalem and soon we noticed a small area that had large, thick walls surrounding it. We asked our angel to tell us who was living in that section. The angel replied, 'Shhhh...the Seventh-day Adventists are in there. They think they are the only ones in the city.'" :lolz: :lolz: :lolz:
Adventism is a very exclusive religion. They see themselves as the "remnant", the one and only group of Christians who have remained loyal to God, His Fourth Commandment, and His prophet Ellen White. Adventists have the "truth" and all other Christian churches are "apostate" and under "strong delusion".
When I was growing up, I was advised not to associate with people of other religions because I should not be around their contaminating influence. Later in life, after I left the Adventist Church, all my Adventist friends distanced themselves from me to the point where we rarely talked.
Adventists tend to congregate together in "Adventist ghettos". A good example of such is Keene, Texas, a city whose businesses close on Saturday, and whose supermarket carries a wide variety of vege-meats. Adventists tend to associate with one another and do business with each other. Here is the idealistic Adventist life-cycle:
Adventist babies are born in Adventist hospitals.
Adventist children are sent to Adventist schools to learn with other Adventist children.
If they get sick, they are taken to Adventist doctors or Adventist health-care institutions.
They go to summer camp at Adventist summer camps.
The do not join Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts. Instead, they join the Adventist Pathfinder club.
They find Adventist spouses at Adventist church or at Adventist school.
After graduating from Adventist schools they go to work for Adventist institutions where their co-workers are Adventist.
Eventually they retire and go to live in Adventist retirement centers or nursing homes.
Finally, they die and are buried in Adventist cemeteries so they can be resurrected with other Adventists!
Why is that? Adventists are taught that Sunday-keepers are "Babylon" or the "daughters of Babylon". They are taught that Sunday-keepers are going to receive the Mark of the Beast, and that the Sabbath is the great separating wall between God's true remnant people and the deceived, lost world.
Perhaps Ellen White stated it best when she said:
"...Satan has taken full possession of the [non-Adventist] Churches" and even their prayers are an "abomination" to God.3
"Let those who would be the children of God take heed to the command, 'Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing.' Association with worldly-minded men and women dims the spiritual perception; for it is in direct disobedience to the plain injunctions of the word of God. In worldly society an earthly influence is at work, an atmosphere of poisonous miasma is there which is disastrous to personal piety."4
What a scary thought! Who would want to be infected with "poisonous miasma" by associating with the "lost"? After all, it might damage my "character perfection" if I were to associate with non-Adventists!
When you start withdrawing from people because you view them as "lost" or "apostates", that is a dangerous sign. This "holier-than-thou" attitude is the earmark of pharisiacal hypocrisy and is the antithesis of Christ's attitude toward others. Christ was known as a friend of sinners.
Since Adventists regard all other religions, including Christian ones, as being in the possession of Satan, they endeavor to win converts from other religions. In fact, most of their converts come from other Christian religions. SDA evangelist Dan O'Ffill, in a book endorsed by the SDA North American Division president, shares how Seventh-day Adventists have an exclusive hold upon the truth:
"The entire world is deceived today. Truth has been covered up with error. The Protestant churches have accepted the teaching of the antichrist... And so most [non-SDA] church members are in mortal danger, but don't know it. ...the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the world's last hope for rescue..."5
O'Ffill goes on in his 126-page book to describe methods of witnessing to bring "born-again Christians" into the SDA sect, including "special ways to reach Catholics" and methods to "appeal to members of all Protestant denominations."6 Hence, Adventists teach that they alone have the truth and it is their mission to share their truth with all those poor non-Adventist Christians who are "deceived" having "accepted the teaching of antichrist."
I have a book called Studying Together, written by SDA tele-evangelist Mark Finley (a wonderful man whom I've met) and his book spends some 86 pages teaching Adventists how to reach other religions, primarily Christian ones. The introduction explains that this large section was written so that Adventists can "share Jesus and His truth" with non-Adventists7. This implies that other Christians do not know Jesus nor His "truth". Here are the groups Elder Finley believes Adventists need to be sharing "Jesus and His truth" with:
Baptists
Non-denominational Bible Churches
Buddhists
Catholics
Christian Scientists
Churches of Christ
Episcopalians
Hindus
Islam
Jehovah's Witnesses
Jews
Lutherans
Methodists
Mormons
Nazarenes
Pentecostals
Presbyterians
Radio Church of God
Secularists
Former Seventh-day Adventists
Seventh Day Baptists
You will notice that most of the groups mentioned above are other Christian denominations, and a couple are even Sabbath-keeping ones. The SDA Church has a big missionary effort and their evangelists and missionaries are active in many nations around the world, but unlike many Christian churches, a large part of the SDA effort is directed not so much at the unsaved, but rather at other Christians.
http://www.nonsda.org/study12.shtml
It is SDA that obsess with worship days not Christians
Do you think force is the only means by which religious bigotry and persecution works? Hint: Rome created a fake pastor on nipate without use force. Through that means, Sunday worship became his goddess and EGW his endless nightmare. Most fake pastors fear Rome more than they fear God.
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You state it as if there is something wrong with trying to win people to your side. Even Pastor A.D Hominem preaches on nipate to get people to join him in his fakeries.
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It is sheer lunacy to call EVERYONE false,apostate,drunk with Babylon wine for seeing through EGW retarded BS
You state it as if there is something wrong with trying to win people to your side. Even Pastor A.D Hominem preaches on nipate to get people to join him in his fakeries.
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Really? Have you seen what Voke has called EG White and SDA on this forum lately? All those words used in describing apostate churches are biblical. Yours (like heretic, lunatic, retarded, SDA sewers.....) sound like they are from Rome's keyboards.
It is sheer lunacy to call EVERYONE false,apostate,drunk with Babylon wine for seeing through EGW retarded BS
You state it as if there is something wrong with trying to win people to your side. Even Pastor A.D Hominem preaches on nipate to get people to join him in his fakeries.
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Mumu,
The Devil or Satan is in the Bible too. Is it easier on your ears if I called you Satan seeing it is Biblical?
Apostasy according to SDA is rejecting EGW. That's madness
Really? Have you seen what Voke has called EG White and SDA on this forum lately? All those words used in describing apostate churches are biblical. Yours (like heretic, lunatic, retarded, SDA sewers.....) sound like they are from Rome's keyboards.
It is sheer lunacy to call EVERYONE false,apostate,drunk with Babylon wine for seeing through EGW retarded BS
You state it as if there is something wrong with trying to win people to your side. Even Pastor A.D Hominem preaches on nipate to get people to join him in his fakeries.
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Jeremiah 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the Lord's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
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1 John 4:1King James Version (KJV)
4 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 Timothy 4:1-2King James Version (KJV)
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
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Let's test the mad woman who taught you that you descended from mountain gorillas, and that Jupiter has 3 moons
http://www.nonsda.org/egw/egw35.shtml
Jeremiah 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the Lord's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.
Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Revelation 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
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Bavarian law
“If a freeman has done servile work on the Lord’s day, that is, if he has yoked up oxen, and driven about with a cart, he shall lose the right oxen. But if he makes hedges, mows hay, or cuts or gathers grain, or performs any other servile work on the Lord’s day, he shall b arrested once, and twice. But if he does not reform, his back shall receive fifty stripes. If he persists, he shall lose his liberty, and be sold as a slave, because he would not be free on the Lord’s holy day.
“But the slave shall also be shipped for such a crime and if he persists, he shall lose his right hand. If any one travels by cart or by boat, which is forbidden, he shall rest until the second feria. And if he does not want to regard the precept of the Lord, that he should not perform any servile work on the holy day, neither his servant, etc., then he shall be fined twelve solidi. And if he frequently transgresses, he shall be subject to greater punishment."
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To summarize, the United States will:
Persecute those who do not obey its religious laws
Force the world to worship the pope (whom they refer to as the Antichrist)
Legislate laws supporint the papacy
Will influence the world to impose a universal death sentence on Sabbath keepers
http://www.amazingfiction.org/false-prophet-usa.shtml
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Here (http://listverse.com/2013/08/21/10-crazy-catholic-conspiracy-theories/) is how Roman Catholic Church created Islam;
Several Catholic conspiracies are based on the testimony of Dr. Alberto Rivera, a con man who claimed to be an ex-Jesuit and one-time Catholic spy. Infamous evangelist Jack Chick believed Rivera’s story (despite the doctor’s history of fraud) and printed it in comic book form. According to the Rivera/Chick tract “The Prophet,” the Catholic Church created Islam.
“The Prophet” makes the wild claim that Muhammad was a Catholic stooge. The greedy Vatican wanted to get its bejeweled hands on Jerusalem due to its religious significance and location in the Middle East. So the Pope dreamed up the craziest real estate scheme in the history of mankind. He would unite the Arabic people behind a Messiah and sic them on Jerusalem. The Vatican ordered a wealthy nun named Khadijah to marry a suitable young man and help him to form one of the world’s largest religions and take over the Middle East. She soon found and married Muhammad and trained him in the ways of Catholicism. She taught him to hate pretty much everybody who wasn’t a Catholic, especially Jews. In addition to training Muhammad, the Jesuits also spread legends about how a prophet would arise to lead the Arabs to great victories. After Muhammad received his divine revelations, Rivera claimed, the groundwork was laid for the Arab people to flock to the new religion of Islam.
After the death of Muhammad, the Pope made a deal with the Muslim armies, agreeing to supply them with wealth and weapons in exchange for conquering the Holy Lands. However, after the Muslims took over Jerusalem, they decided to keep the city for themselves. Enraged, the Pope called on the forces of Europe to march into the Middle East. Hello, Crusades.
Don’t bother looking for the proof of all this, because you’ll never find it. According to Rivera, Muhammad wrote about his Catholic connections, but these dangerous texts are kept safely in the hands of the world’s most powerful ayatollahs. We’ll just have to take Dr. Rivera’s word on this one.
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Here (http://listverse.com/2013/08/21/10-crazy-catholic-conspiracy-theories/) is how Roman Catholic Church created Islam;
Several Catholic conspiracies are based on the testimony of Dr. Alberto Rivera, a con man who claimed to be an ex-Jesuit and one-time Catholic spy. Infamous evangelist Jack Chick believed Rivera’s story (despite the doctor’s history of fraud) and printed it in comic book form. According to the Rivera/Chick tract “The Prophet,” the Catholic Church created Islam.
“The Prophet” makes the wild claim that Muhammad was a Catholic stooge. The greedy Vatican wanted to get its bejeweled hands on Jerusalem due to its religious significance and location in the Middle East. So the Pope dreamed up the craziest real estate scheme in the history of mankind. He would unite the Arabic people behind a Messiah and sic them on Jerusalem. The Vatican ordered a wealthy nun named Khadijah to marry a suitable young man and help him to form one of the world’s largest religions and take over the Middle East. She soon found and married Muhammad and trained him in the ways of Catholicism. She taught him to hate pretty much everybody who wasn’t a Catholic, especially Jews. In addition to training Muhammad, the Jesuits also spread legends about how a prophet would arise to lead the Arabs to great victories. After Muhammad received his divine revelations, Rivera claimed, the groundwork was laid for the Arab people to flock to the new religion of Islam.
After the death of Muhammad, the Pope made a deal with the Muslim armies, agreeing to supply them with wealth and weapons in exchange for conquering the Holy Lands. However, after the Muslims took over Jerusalem, they decided to keep the city for themselves. Enraged, the Pope called on the forces of Europe to march into the Middle East. Hello, Crusades.
Don’t bother looking for the proof of all this, because you’ll never find it. According to Rivera, Muhammad wrote about his Catholic connections, but these dangerous texts are kept safely in the hands of the world’s most powerful ayatollahs. We’ll just have to take Dr. Rivera’s word on this one.
Lol! vooke, that is an interesting conspiracy theory. Considering that Jerusalem was firmly under Christian control before Muslims kicked them out! Ha ha! What do they think the crusades were about if not a fight between the two religions over Jerusalem? (Jews had been firmly kicked out of the place by the Romans way earlier, in the first century AD, so they didn't even really factor into the affair) So basically, the Vatican must have been very stupid to create a strong anti-Vatican hoard to kick the Vatican out of Jerusalem (and to destroy Christianity throughout North Africa and Byzantium/Turkey) eh?. :D Good for entertainment though, we have our own Kenyan versions over politics.
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Has somebody dusted up the files of Congregatio de Propaganda Fide? It was known for its white propaganda, which fits well with Pastor A.D Hominem's latest obsession, Ellen G. White.
http://www.jstor.org/stable/25011717?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
I would imagine if a pastor wanted to make an argument for Sunday worship it would be possible primarily from the scriptures and not through the circuitous, torturous, suicidal, and contradictory route of attacking the faith of others.
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Christians are freed by the blood of Jesus from chasing shadows seeing Christ, the reality is come. God is indifferent to days so there is no argument to make about any day anymore than there is sense in making scriptural arguments for using Verdana or Noteworthy as my preferred font on my Bible+ app 8)
There is no different between an Adventist and those who worship in the mountains and offer animal sacrifices and circumcise all to keep the Law.
I have deep respect for the Jews for they they are beholden to the entire Torah as opposed to Sabbatarian 'Christians' who mutilate the Law of God, discard all they hate and attempt to keep whatever is left, and then flap gums about how they are the 'remnant' and how the entire Revelation was crafted with them in mind
Has somebody dusted up the files of Congregatio de Propaganda Fide? It was known for its white propaganda, which fits well with Pastor A.D Hominem's latest obsession, Ellen G. White.
http://www.jstor.org/stable/25011717?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
I would imagine if a pastor wanted to make an argument for Sunday worship it would be possible primarily from the scriptures and not through the circuitous, torturous, suicidal, and contradictory route of attacking the faith of others.
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While you call us on the need to keep the whole law, we will not hesitate to call you to answer for your Protestantism. Seeing multitudes of "the-day-doesn't-matter" Protestants consistently following their tradition of pagan Sunday worship, Rome argues emphatically that the Protestants have no choice but to join them in bowing to Mary on Sunday, or become seventh-Day Adventist. Obviously, they know a negro can't become Jewish in one day. Sunday worship naturally means Protestantism is dead.
Christians are freed by the blood of Jesus from chasing shadows seeing Christ, the reality is come. God is indifferent to days so there is no argument to make about any day anymore than there is sense in making scriptural arguments for using Verdana or Noteworthy as my preferred font on my Bible+ app 8)
There is no different between an Adventist and those who worship in the mountains and offer animal sacrifices and circumcise all to keep the Law.
I have deep respect for the Jews for they they are beholden to the entire Torah as opposed to Sabbatarian 'Christians' who mutilate the Law of God, discard all they hate and attempt to keep whatever is left, and then flap gums about how they are the 'remnant' and how the entire Revelation was crafted with them in mind
Has somebody dusted up the files of Congregatio de Propaganda Fide? It was known for its white propaganda, which fits well with Pastor A.D Hominem's latest obsession, Ellen G. White.
http://www.jstor.org/stable/25011717?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
I would imagine if a pastor wanted to make an argument for Sunday worship it would be possible primarily from the scriptures and not through the circuitous, torturous, suicidal, and contradictory route of attacking the faith of others.
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Rome insists Mary was ASSUMED into heaven as well, that she was a perpetual virgin bla de bla. Does that make it thus? How old is Rome? Does Sunday worship predate Rome?
Please improve your thinking
While you call us on the need to keep the whole law, we will not hesitate to call you to answer for your Protestantism. Seeing multitudes of "the-day-doesn't-matter" Protestants consistently following their tradition of pagan Sunday worship, Rome argues emphatically that the Protestants have no choice but to join them in bowing to Mary on Sunday, or become seventh-Day Adventist. Obviously, they know a negro can't become Jewish in one day. Sunday worship naturally means Protestantism is dead.
Christians are freed by the blood of Jesus from chasing shadows seeing Christ, the reality is come. God is indifferent to days so there is no argument to make about any day anymore than there is sense in making scriptural arguments for using Verdana or Noteworthy as my preferred font on my Bible+ app 8)
There is no different between an Adventist and those who worship in the mountains and offer animal sacrifices and circumcise all to keep the Law.
I have deep respect for the Jews for they they are beholden to the entire Torah as opposed to Sabbatarian 'Christians' who mutilate the Law of God, discard all they hate and attempt to keep whatever is left, and then flap gums about how they are the 'remnant' and how the entire Revelation was crafted with them in mind
Has somebody dusted up the files of Congregatio de Propaganda Fide? It was known for its white propaganda, which fits well with Pastor A.D Hominem's latest obsession, Ellen G. White.
http://www.jstor.org/stable/25011717?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
I would imagine if a pastor wanted to make an argument for Sunday worship it would be possible primarily from the scriptures and not through the circuitous, torturous, suicidal, and contradictory route of attacking the faith of others.
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Let no man judge you. Rome apologist-in-chief should find no trouble extending that verse to Marian doctrine. Somehow Sundaykeeping Protestantism accepts Rome's Sunday but finds Marian doctrine abhorrent. The spiritual gymnastics are worth many golden medals.
Rome insists Mary was ASSUMED into heaven as well, that she was a perpetual virgin bla de bla. Does that make it thus? How old is Rome? Does Sunday worship predate Rome?
Please improve your thinking
While you call us on the need to keep the whole law, we will not hesitate to call you to answer for your Protestantism. Seeing multitudes of "the-day-doesn't-matter" Protestants consistently following their tradition of pagan Sunday worship, Rome argues emphatically that the Protestants have no choice but to join them in bowing to Mary on Sunday, or become seventh-Day Adventist. Obviously, they know a negro can't become Jewish in one day. Sunday worship naturally means Protestantism is dead.
Christians are freed by the blood of Jesus from chasing shadows seeing Christ, the reality is come. God is indifferent to days so there is no argument to make about any day anymore than there is sense in making scriptural arguments for using Verdana or Noteworthy as my preferred font on my Bible+ app 8)
There is no different between an Adventist and those who worship in the mountains and offer animal sacrifices and circumcise all to keep the Law.
I have deep respect for the Jews for they they are beholden to the entire Torah as opposed to Sabbatarian 'Christians' who mutilate the Law of God, discard all they hate and attempt to keep whatever is left, and then flap gums about how they are the 'remnant' and how the entire Revelation was crafted with them in mind
Has somebody dusted up the files of Congregatio de Propaganda Fide? It was known for its white propaganda, which fits well with Pastor A.D Hominem's latest obsession, Ellen G. White.
http://www.jstor.org/stable/25011717?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
I would imagine if a pastor wanted to make an argument for Sunday worship it would be possible primarily from the scriptures and not through the circuitous, torturous, suicidal, and contradictory route of attacking the faith of others.
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Colossians 2:16 (KJV)
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
It is the height of delusion that entire religions are centered on SHADOWS.
If the adherents of shadows are the Remnant church, how much more those who have embraced the REALITY which is Christ!
Let no man judge you. Rome apologist-in-chief should find no trouble extending that verse to Marian doctrine. Somehow Sundaykeeping Protestantism accepts Rome's Sunday but finds Marian doctrine abhorrent. The spiritual gymnastics are worth many golden medals.
Rome insists Mary was ASSUMED into heaven as well, that she was a perpetual virgin bla de bla. Does that make it thus? How old is Rome? Does Sunday worship predate Rome?
Please improve your thinking
While you call us on the need to keep the whole law, we will not hesitate to call you to answer for your Protestantism. Seeing multitudes of "the-day-doesn't-matter" Protestants consistently following their tradition of pagan Sunday worship, Rome argues emphatically that the Protestants have no choice but to join them in bowing to Mary on Sunday, or become seventh-Day Adventist. Obviously, they know a negro can't become Jewish in one day. Sunday worship naturally means Protestantism is dead.
Christians are freed by the blood of Jesus from chasing shadows seeing Christ, the reality is come. God is indifferent to days so there is no argument to make about any day anymore than there is sense in making scriptural arguments for using Verdana or Noteworthy as my preferred font on my Bible+ app 8)
There is no different between an Adventist and those who worship in the mountains and offer animal sacrifices and circumcise all to keep the Law.
I have deep respect for the Jews for they they are beholden to the entire Torah as opposed to Sabbatarian 'Christians' who mutilate the Law of God, discard all they hate and attempt to keep whatever is left, and then flap gums about how they are the 'remnant' and how the entire Revelation was crafted with them in mind
Has somebody dusted up the files of Congregatio de Propaganda Fide? It was known for its white propaganda, which fits well with Pastor A.D Hominem's latest obsession, Ellen G. White.
http://www.jstor.org/stable/25011717?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
I would imagine if a pastor wanted to make an argument for Sunday worship it would be possible primarily from the scriptures and not through the circuitous, torturous, suicidal, and contradictory route of attacking the faith of others.
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When Jesus kept the Sabbath "as His custom was" was it a shadow or not?
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
When Paul kept the Sabbath "as his manner was" was it a shadow or not?
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
When you keep Sunday as per "church tradition and apostolic practice" without scriptural backing, is that not a shadow of rebellion against God?
If the new reality is Christ and is used to disobey express commandments Christ Himself kept, can that reality be extended to defend corruption (which is not mentioned in the Ten Commandments)?
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Nuff Sed,
1. Jesus kept the sabbath, the Passover no all other feasts. In fact he kept the entire Law. This is the meaning of being tried in all ways yet WITHOUT sin (Hebrews 4:15). So if you are keeping sabbath because Jesus kept, go ahead and keep the Passover else you are a hypocrite!
2. Paul kept the sabbath as well as other feasts. He also circumcised and took the Nazirite vow at least twice. Why don't you keep other feasts as well as shave your short hair kabisa?
3. Am FREE to observe any day or not to observe any at all. In my FREEDOM, the reasons for observing any are irrelevant, purely discretionary. I could for instance observe Friday because Muslims observe Friday and I would be perfectly within my FREEDOM to do so. I may also pick new moons since I like new moons and it would be all cool 8)
4. Christ FULFILLED the LAW in its entirety with his sacrificial death at the cross. BEFORE his death, he was bound by the Law
Galatians 4:4-5 English Standard Version (ESV)
4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
When Jesus kept the Sabbath "as His custom was" was it a shadow or not?
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
When Paul kept the Sabbath "as his manner was" was it a shadow or not?
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
When you keep Sunday as per "church tradition and apostolic practice" without scriptural backing, is that not a shadow of rebellion against God?
If the new reality is Christ and is used to disobey express commandments Christ Himself kept, can that reality be extended to defend corruption (which is not mentioned in the Ten Commandments)?
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We've gone through those arguments before. Christ did not observe the Sabbath simply because He was born in the Jewish community. It was He who instituted the Sabbath before there was a Jew (Gen 2:2), hence "remember" in the fourth commandment.
We no longer keep the passover because it was a type fulfilled in Christ's death and resurrection.
1 Corinthians 5:7 For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us.
Hebrews 10:
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
See full sermon by Spurgeon here:
http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0054.htm
John 2:29 calls Him the Lamb of God, hence He became the sacrifice. You keep raising the issue of circumcision, but Paul clearly deals with that in relation to Gentiles. Unlike circumcision, the Sabbath has its origins in creation which came before the Jews. It is for that reason that the Sabbath and all of the Ten Commandments are not optional to believers, and Jesus by example shows why.
Paul shows the demonstration of the relevance of the Sabbath in that he as apostle to the Gentiles kept the Sabbath "as his manner was" and not just himself but with the Gentiles. Had the Sabbath lost relevance, we would have found a text saying so. Christ would have told the Pharisees He is the Sabbath and the day no longer mattered (like you argue here), and Paul would have gathered the Gentiles on Sunday.
In the same manner, you cannot lust after your neighbor's wife because that would be sin. There is no sin when there is no commandment. There is no commandment when we can modify them to suit our conveniences and traditions. Where there is no commandment, there is no need for a Saviour. If you can modify the Sabbath commandment, you can modify all other nine and you become a law unto yourself or a goddess rivalling the Giver of the Commandment just like Rome has done.
The defense for Sunday is based on argument, unsubstantiated "apostolic practice," questionable "church tradition" and misinterpretation of verses like Col 2:16 and Rom 4.
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Nuff Sed,
He also instituted the feasts before he was a Jew so your point is super moot. He was born UNDER the Law, bound by it to the end. He is the one who ordered circumcision. He nailed the Law to the cross so before that, it was very much in place. Else why did he bother keeping the Passover yet he was/is the Passover?
I have noticed you are least bothered about how Sabbath is a shadow, and how Christ fulfilled sabbath. I will gladly teach you on this when you are ready.
About the Passover, let me help you; the feast has DUAL significance;
1. Commemorates deliverance from Egypt
2. Points to Christ sacrificial death
I can also argue that Paul demonstrates the relevance of the Jewish feasts by keeping them severally together with taking Nazirite Vow long after the cross,and a record to this effect being preserved by the Holy Spirit who inspired the authors.
Paul also touches on the sabbath with regards to Gentiles in Romans and Colossians. 'Esteem or don't esteem, it's up to you', 'let no man judge you over sabbath days'
I have no idea what you are smoking when you flap gums about MODIFICATION. Did Paul MODIFY God's divine instructions on circumcision? What about Feasts, and other dietary regimes?
Look at what seemed good to the Holy Spirit;
Acts 15:28-29 New King James Version (NKJV)
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[a] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.
Was Holy Spirit MODIFYING circumcision commandment?
And finally, Sunday worship needs no defense seeing it is within my freedom/discretion/conviction to esteem any day(s) above others or not to.
When you get kids and you take them shopping and aks them to choose whatever color of shoes excite them, you don't take them to explain why they picked whatever color. As a child of God, am free to esteem Monday, Wednesday, any day or no day at all. Am thinking of esteeming Tuesday because they sell two pizzas for the price of one and I can be preaching to kids as they await for their orders 8)
On the contrary, all sabbath defenses are hopelessly weak and grossly dishonest. You must thaw your brains before subscribing to Sabbatarianism.
We've gone through those arguments before. Christ did not observe the Sabbath simply because He was born in the Jewish community. It was He who instituted the Sabbath before there was a Jew (Gen 2:2), hence "remember" in the fourth commandment.
We no longer keep the passover because it was a type fulfilled in Christ's death and resurrection.
1 Corinthians 5:7 For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us.
Hebrews 10:
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
See full sermon by Spurgeon here:
http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0054.htm
John 2:29 calls Him the Lamb of God, hence He became the sacrifice. You keep raising the issue of circumcision, but Paul clearly deals with that in relation to Gentiles. Unlike circumcision, the Sabbath has its origins in creation which came before the Jews. It is for that reason that the Sabbath and all of the Ten Commandments are not optional to believers, and Jesus by example shows why.
Paul shows the demonstration of the relevance of the Sabbath in that he as apostle to the Gentiles kept the Sabbath "as his manner was" and not just himself but with the Gentiles. Had the Sabbath lost relevance, we would have found a text saying so. Christ would have told the Pharisees He is the Sabbath and the day no longer mattered (like you argue here), and Paul would have gathered the Gentiles on Sunday.
In the same manner, you cannot lust after your neighbor's wife because that would be sin. There is no sin when there is no commandment. There is no commandment when we can modify them to suit our conveniences and traditions. Where there is no commandment, there is no need for a Saviour. If you can modify the Sabbath commandment, you can modify all other nine and you become a law unto yourself or a goddess rivalling the Giver of the Commandment just like Rome has done.
The defense for Sunday is based on argument, unsubstantiated "apostolic practice," questionable "church tradition" and misinterpretation of verses like Col 2:16 and Rom 4.
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Nuff Sed,
He also instituted the feasts before he was a Jew so your point is super moot. He was born UNDER the Law, bound by it to the end. He is the one who ordered circumcision. He nailed the Law to the cross so before that, it was very much in place. Else why did he bother keeping the Passover yet he was/is the Passover?
Bound by the law to which end? Christ's great condescension in being born as a Jew is not license to break the Ten Commandments which He himself obeyed. The Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross. Sunday worshiping Protestants make that claim when you point them to the Sabbath. They have no problem when you tell them it is sin to commit adultery or to steal. Hebrews 10:10, 12 show why there is no more sacrifice after the cross. Christ is High Priest having offered His own blood for sin, not the blood of lambs.
I have noticed you are least bothered about how Sabbath is a shadow, and how Christ fulfilled sabbath. I will gladly teach you on this when you are ready.
Misinterpretation again. When and how did the Sabbath become a shadow of what? Chapter and verse?
About the Passover, let me help you; the feast has DUAL significance;
1. Commemorates deliverance from Egypt
2. Points to Christ sacrificial death
I can also argue that Paul demonstrates the relevance of the Jewish feasts by keeping them severally together with taking Nazirite Vow long after the cross,and a record to this effect being preserved by the Holy Spirit who inspired the authors.
Paul kept the Nazirite vow to prevent the Jews from making it a stumbling block to his ministry, and circumcised Timothy despite speaking openly against it, just like the apostles were gathered for fear of the Jews.
John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Paul also touches on the sabbath with regards to Gentiles in Romans and Colossians. 'Esteem or don't esteem, it's up to you', 'let no man judge you over sabbath days'
Paul touches on very specific things and tells believers about them. Copy and paste one verse where he tells them not to keep the Sabbath any more, or to keep Sunday.
I have no idea what you are smoking when you flap gums about MODIFICATION. Did Paul MODIFY God's divine instructions on circumcision? What about Feasts, and other dietary regimes?
Look at what seemed good to the Holy Spirit;
Acts 15:28-29 New King James Version (NKJV)
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[a] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.
Was Holy Spirit MODIFYING circumcision commandment?
When Paul expounds on circumcision in the scriptures, what he says under inspiration is scriptural. What Sunday keepers do under te excuse of tradition, convenience, freedom and "apostolic practice" is not scriptural.
When you misquote Romans 14, you always do so partially. Here is the full context, which is in eating and keeping of feast days totally different from the Sabbath. Like Col 2:16, you misquote out of context to see the Sabbath where it isn't.
Romans 14 King James Version (KJV)
1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
And finally, Sunday worship needs no defense seeing it is within my freedom/discretion/conviction to esteem any day(s) above others or not to. When you get kids and you take them shopping and aks them to choose whatever color of shoes excite them, you don't take them to explain why they picked whatever color. As a child of God, am free to esteem Monday, Wednesday, any day or no day at all. Am thinking of esteeming Tuesday because they sell two pizzas for the price of one and I can be preaching to kids as they await for their orders 8)
On the contrary, all sabbath defenses are hopelessly weak and grossly dishonest. You must thaw your brains before subscribing to Sabbatarianism.
When you go against the Ten Commandments and claim freedom, conviction, discretion and so on, you have become a law unto yourself and are no different from the corrupt who use their discretion to carry home what is not theirs.
Sabbath keeping is based on the Ten Commandments; Sunday keeping is based on speculation, tradition, allusion, confusion and misinterpretation. Protestant defense of Sunday worship is a Johnny-come-lately phenomenon. The originator or Sunday worship appropriates to it all the benefits of the Sabbath, including full rest like the Jews did with the Sabbath. So when you make the argument, please make it fully, and declare fatwa on "Judaizing" like Rome does in its council of Laodecia art 29.
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You are making wild assumptions.
1. About Paul, we have an instance where he was persuaded by other apostles to take a Nazirite vow. What about the other instance? Which scriptures shows that he took the vow, very far away from Jerusalem, in Antioch to avoid offending Jews? Which verse tells you he kept the Feasts to avoid 'obstacles'? Do you see why I prescribe a psychiatrist for you? This hallucination.
2. The entire Law not just the 10 was nailed to the cross, it is part of the old covenant. Under the new covenant, we are bound by the Law of Christ. If a law of Christ bears similarity to a law of Moses, it don't mean we are beholden to Moses but to Jesus. That's why you will find all but one commandments of Moses emphasized in the NT. you will be warned against adultery,stealing,blasphemy,idolatry but not against breaking sabbath which is decidedly odd seeing Gentiles was not observing it initially
3. Romans 14:5 (KJV)
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind
Answer the following questions on this verse;
(A) what is the meaning of esteeming one day above another?
(B) do you esteem Saturday above other days?
(C) what does it mean that 'every man should be persuaded in his own mind'
Finally settle this in your mind, whether Sunday keeping borrows from sabbath or pagans, God has given me freedom to esteem it above others or not to. The reasons least concern him so he left it to me 8)
Nuff Sed,
He also instituted the feasts before he was a Jew so your point is super moot. He was born UNDER the Law, bound by it to the end. He is the one who ordered circumcision. He nailed the Law to the cross so before that, it was very much in place. Else why did he bother keeping the Passover yet he was/is the Passover?
Bound by the law to which end? Christ's great condescension in being born as a Jew is not license to break the Ten Commandments which He himself obeyed. The Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross. Sunday worshiping Protestants make that claim when you point them to the Sabbath. They have no problem when you tell them it is sin to commit adultery or to steal. Hebrews 10:10, 12 show why there is no more sacrifice after the cross. Christ is High Priest having offered His own blood for sin, not the blood of lambs.
I have noticed you are least bothered about how Sabbath is a shadow, and how Christ fulfilled sabbath. I will gladly teach you on this when you are ready.
Misinterpretation again. When and how did the Sabbath become a shadow of what? Chapter and verse?
About the Passover, let me help you; the feast has DUAL significance;
1. Commemorates deliverance from Egypt
2. Points to Christ sacrificial death
I can also argue that Paul demonstrates the relevance of the Jewish feasts by keeping them severally together with taking Nazirite Vow long after the cross,and a record to this effect being preserved by the Holy Spirit who inspired the authors.
Paul kept the Nazirite vow to prevent the Jews from making it a stumbling block to his ministry, and circumcised Timothy despite speaking openly against it, just like the apostles were gathered for fear of the Jews.
John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Paul also touches on the sabbath with regards to Gentiles in Romans and Colossians. 'Esteem or don't esteem, it's up to you', 'let no man judge you over sabbath days'
Paul touches on very specific things and tells believers about them. Copy and paste one verse where he tells them not to keep the Sabbath any more, or to keep Sunday.
I have no idea what you are smoking when you flap gums about MODIFICATION. Did Paul MODIFY God's divine instructions on circumcision? What about Feasts, and other dietary regimes?
Look at what seemed good to the Holy Spirit;
Acts 15:28-29 New King James Version (NKJV)
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.[a] If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
Farewell.
Was Holy Spirit MODIFYING circumcision commandment?
When Paul expounds on circumcision in the scriptures, what he says under inspiration is scriptural. What Sunday keepers do under te excuse of tradition, convenience, freedom and "apostolic practice" is not scriptural.
When you misquote Romans 14, you always do so partially. Here is the full context, which is in eating and keeping of feast days totally different from the Sabbath. Like Col 2:16, you misquote out of context to see the Sabbath where it isn't.
Romans 14 King James Version (KJV)
1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
And finally, Sunday worship needs no defense seeing it is within my freedom/discretion/conviction to esteem any day(s) above others or not to. When you get kids and you take them shopping and aks them to choose whatever color of shoes excite them, you don't take them to explain why they picked whatever color. As a child of God, am free to esteem Monday, Wednesday, any day or no day at all. Am thinking of esteeming Tuesday because they sell two pizzas for the price of one and I can be preaching to kids as they await for their orders 8)
On the contrary, all sabbath defenses are hopelessly weak and grossly dishonest. You must thaw your brains before subscribing to Sabbatarianism.
When you go against the Ten Commandments and claim freedom, conviction, discretion and so on, you have become a law unto yourself and are no different from the corrupt who use their discretion to carry home what is not theirs.
Sabbath keeping is based on the Ten Commandments; Sunday keeping is based on speculation, tradition, allusion, confusion and misinterpretation. Protestant defense of Sunday worship is a Johnny-come-lately phenomenon. The originator or Sunday worship appropriates to it all the benefits of the Sabbath, including full rest like the Jews did with the Sabbath. So when you make the argument, please make it fully, and declare fatwa on "Judaizing" like Rome does in its council of Laodecia art 29.
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Nuff Sed,
Was you taught this, that calendars starting with Monday means Sunday is the seventh day? :lolz: :lolz: :lolz:
There has been false alarms over time. I can vividly remember when I was a kid when a beloved Adventist missionary warned us over and over again for the “coming Sunday Law”. He would show a calendar where Monday is the first day and Sunday is the seventh. He said, it’s an indication that the “prophecy” is coming. Lo and behold, the great guy died, I graduated from college, got married then had a son, and there were no “National Sunday Law” in sight. In 1998, quite a few Adventists were shaken when the Pope issued a call for Catholics to “guard” their Sabbath day, Sunday and obey it faithfully. They said, it’s “the start”. The false alarm eventually fizzled out.
http://arnold.gamboa.ph/2006/05/why-the-nation-sunday-law-theory-is-a-hoax/
Keep chasing hoaxes Nd shadows all under strict supervision of a dead mad false prophet
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LaRouche, along with the charismatic movement, and some Baptists believe in the seven-year end time tribulation. A secret rapture, etc. One time I attended a Baptist church, with over 10,000 members. The pastor spoke on the secret rapture that day. He was a powerful preacher. He was very charismatic and very believable. He told an eloquent story, and in the end that’s all it was, a story. You see, I have a practice of taking notes during a sermon. I like to see how many scriptures a preacher uses to support his arguments. And during this one-hour sermon, the preacher used two Scriptures. Neither of which had anything to do with the secret rapture. But rather supported a point that he brought up. That was in reality a rabbit trail, having nothing to do with the main subject.
Allow me to speak frankly for a moment. I believe those who interpret the 70th week of Daniel nine to an end times seven-year tribulation and the secret rapture, actually hold to a complete and total myth, every bit as much as a Seventh-day Adventist who believes in Adventism and the writings of Ellen G. White. Both those that believe in the secret rapture and those that believe in Ellen G. White have adopted their own particular worldview. The Adventist is looking for a future Sunday law in America. Those who believe in the secret rapture are looking forward to the Temple being rebuilt in Jerusalem. These two events are what these two different worldviews look forward to as the key ingredient in their end time scenario. Both look to news articles, and the like to find anything to support their worldview.
If a newspaper article says the slightest thing, then mountains are made out of mole hills. I have seen this happen time and again for decades.
In my estimation, both have resorted to conspiracy theories in this way, to make up for the lack of hard evidence to support their worldview. Sunday laws exist as do groups of people who would like to see the Temple rebuilt in Jerusalem. So each group, both those who believe in the secret rapture, and the Seventh-day Adventist have some fact, upon which to base their theory. But neither ends where the facts themselves end. Rather, both groups have added to the facts with their own unique conspiracy theories . . . mountains are made out of mole hills. They do so to make up for the lack of evidence to support their worldview.
Eschatology among Seventh-day Adventist and those that believe in the secret rapture couldn’t be any further apart and different from one another. Which means that one or both must be wrong. And yet both have some fact upon which to draw some encouragement to hold their view. I have known Adventist who have spent decades studying about Jesuits and illuminati and Freemasons. There are Anti-Catholic websites chock full of information like this. Some of which is no doubt based on fact. But for these people, the conspiracy theory itself has become the core of their worldview, and view towards eschatology. They present their theories as fact. In fact, they believe in them with all their hearts, which makes them all the more convincing.
The 20th century, had a great many false messiahs and cultic leaders. For the average person, the things these men taught was ludicrous, unreasonable, and at times, insane. The average person cannot understand why anyone would believe their teachings. All of this goes to show how much people are like sheep. If the shepherd comes along and is charismatic and convincing, He can say almost anything and get multitudes to follow him.
I have learned first-hand that just because 17 million people believe something doesn’t necessarily mean it’s true. And yet at the same time those 17 million people are honest and convicted, and some of whom are really willing to die for those beliefs. Just as were the followers of Jim Jones who drank his Kool-Aid. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I require more than theory to support a worldview. I am well aware that Freemasons illuminati and Jesuits exist. I am well aware they may have plans in place to do the world harm and not good. Therefore, I do not deny their existence, nor do I deny that they are active. However, I have seen the harm it has caused to individuals who have become obsessed with, who has spent decades studying them and made conspiracy theories, their religion.
I demand a plain, “thus saith the Lord.”
I am a simple person, and I know I do not have all the answers. There are great many things I do not know. I have seen videos, and I have read books about Jesuits and Freemasons and illuminati. Frankly, there are not too many conspiracy theories involving them that I’ve not yet heard about. But the one thing I am certain about is that the truth may never be known about any of the secret societies except by those who are part of them.
The world is chock full of enemies against Christ and all of these secret societies may very well be included in the list. We can add to them the Jews themselves who have rejected Christ. We can add to them, the Muslims, we can add to them, people from every religion and philosophy group and school of education in the world that has taken non scriptural stances. We can add to that group, every unconverted person. Christ said, we are either for him or we are against him. We can add to that group false shepherds, false churches, false gospels, and those that are deceived by them.
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vooke,
Let it go. If the world was perfect, we all would have the same world view, prepare and wait for reasonable things like the beast coming out of the abyss to be given authority by the dragon.
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vooke,
Let it go. If the world was perfect, we all would have the same world view, prepare and wait for reasonable things like the beast coming out of the abyss to be given authority by the dragon.
Sawa sawa Mboss,
That's just about it........