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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on May 20, 2025, 02:34:31 PM
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🟢 Ruto
Problem: Lost 20% of 50% 2022 voter-base (~3M total GEMA votes). Needs to rebuild KK or new coalition.
Move 1: Expand in KAMATAUSA (Kalenjin, Maasai, Turkana, Samburu), Coast, NEP, and other "government-in-power" tribes that voted ~75% Azimio — chip away at ODM’s base. Aim to half the "GEMA problem".
Move 2: Retain Kindiki to anchor Mt. Kenya East + diaspora; aim for 30% GEMA by convincing them it’s the shortest path back to power - as in other coalition they are going 10yrs out of power.
Move 3: Finalize a deal with ODM — after current sharing power. Raila’s AU failure complicate an honorable retirement, and Uhuru is likely pushing for an Azimio rerun. Aim for ODM deal by 2026 if not kick them out slowly. You dont want 2002 NARC revolution led by Raila.
Move 4: Target Kalonzo as DPORK to flip Lower Eastern (~1.5M votes) and disrupt Azimio unity.
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🔵 Raila
Status: Post-AU, weakened. Aging - will 82yrs in 2027 - still looks ok. Still popular in ODM circles.
Move 1 : Be a kingmaker, aim for 50-50 deal with Ruto and pick deputy from Luo-Nyanza or even become deputy president (who cares).
Move 2: Re-make Azimio if anti-Ruto sentiment nationally and esp in GEMA persists. Last minute dump Ruto and re-unite with Uhuru + Kalonzo + Mt. Kenya deputy. Beat Ruto overwhelming he wont be able to rig. You'll need jesus to convince Kalonzo to step down for 4th time.
Move 3: If Uhuru has 30B Kes, take the money, let someone else run (e.g., Kalonzo, Matiang’i) under Azimio+ Mt Kenya.
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🟣 Matiang’i
Status: Currently popular among Mt kenya & anti-Ruto crowd as he seen as Ruto's anti-dote but has no grassroots machine.
Move 1: Wait for Uhuru-Muhoho to make you the president. Kalonzo is the biggest opponent/spoiler.
Move 2 : Wait for combined opposition to see you're the guy to beat Ruto.
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🟡 Kalonzo
Status: Should ideally be Opposition candidate but once again the much younger Matiangi & RiggyG have overtaken him
Move 1: Hope Azimio+Mt kenya sees your incredible handsomeness and make you the candidate with Mt. Kenya deputy & Raila support. Even without Raila - you'd still post a respect 35-40%.
Move 2: Negotiate DPORK with Ruto — with 2032 succession promise.
Move 3: Accept to any position in opposition, hopefully deputize (tough as Mt kenya will not accept to lose both PORK and DPORK) Matiangi, and 85yrs late in 2037 run for presidency :) :)
It will be tempting to keep all options until late 2027 but I'd make early move by negotiating 1-2 CS with Ruto now - and become versatile like Raila.
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Riggy G (Gachagua)
Status: Impeached but holding on GEMA. Build on the anger and sympathy - and hopefully you'll allowed to run (slim chances)
Move 1: Try to consolidate mt kenya backing and negotiate for any position or MOU - if not impeached go for Deputy - presidency is too steep a murima for you.
Move 2: Sell Mt Kenya support to Uhuru Kenyatta - being impeached means you're done.
Move 3: Whatever you do, try to survive until supreme court return final verdict on your case.
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🔴 Uhuru
Status: Behind the scenes, slowly reorganizing GEMA, re-capture power via proxy or push Muhoho.
Move 1: Back Mt. Kenya shift away from Ruto —promote Matiangi with Muhoho as running mate - or Kalonzo - ride ant-Ruto coalition without Raila.
Move 2: Get Raila for re-match and revenge the post-2022 humiliation. Buy off Kalonzo. Buy off Gachagua. Matiangi will do what you want.
Move 3: Knowing the power of incumbency, negotiate with Ruto, backs Kindiki, get Muhoho to gov, and aim for 2032.
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Good stuff.
On Ruto: you need to note early (smart) rigging by registering Somali, etc refugees in NFD.
On Kalonzo: after bashing Ruto for years it will be hard to pivot. Might be equally hard to join Ruto as deputize Raila. 3rd horse?
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Kalonzo will be 73 in 2027 and 78 in 2032.
Unlikely a promise for 2032 will work. Not with the younger generation already at par/ahead of him.
As I have said before, once UK/WSR took over in 2013/22, the generation of RAO and Kalonzo became kaput.
🟡 Kalonzo
Status: Should ideally be Opposition candidate but once again the much younger Matiangi & RiggyG have overtaken him
Move 1: Hope Azimio+Mt kenya sees your incredible handsomeness and make you the candidate with Mt. Kenya deputy & Raila support. Even without Raila - you'd still post a respect 35-40%.
Move 2: Negotiate DPORK with Ruto — with 2032 succession promise.
Move 3: Accept to any position in opposition, hopefully deputize (tough as Mt kenya will not accept to lose both PORK and DPORK) Matiangi, and 85yrs late in 2037 run for presidency :) :)
It will be tempting to keep all options until late 2027 but I'd make early move by negotiating 1-2 CS with Ruto now - and become versatile like Raila.
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Riggy G is done. Impeachment has almost zero chances of recovery.
And if he cannot run for prez, then he also cannot run for DP as the qualifications are the same. Same for Cabinet positions (PM/Minister).
What he has done is to run to the people, the people haven't run to him. Come election season and he will fizzle out
Riggy G (Gachagua)
Status: Impeached but holding on GEMA. Build on the anger and sympathy - and hopefully you'll allowed to run (slim chances)
Move 1: Try to consolidate mt kenya backing and negotiate for any position or MOU - if not impeached go for Deputy - presidency is too steep a murima for you.
Move 2: Sell Mt Kenya support to Uhuru Kenyatta - being impeached means you're done.
Move 3: Whatever you do, try to survive until supreme court return final verdict on your case.
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30% from Mt Kenya? Adjust that to 3%.
🟢 Ruto
Problem: Lost 20% of 50% 2022 voter-base (~3M total GEMA votes). Needs to rebuild KK or new coalition.
Move 1: Expand in KAMATAUSA (Kalenjin, Maasai, Turkana, Samburu), Coast, NEP, and other "government-in-power" tribes that voted ~75% Azimio — chip away at ODM’s base. Aim to half the "GEMA problem".
Move 2: Retain Kindiki to anchor Mt. Kenya East + diaspora; aim for 30% GEMA by convincing them it’s the shortest path back to power - as in other coalition they are going 10yrs out of power.
Move 3: Finalize a deal with ODM — after current sharing power. Raila’s AU failure complicate an honorable retirement, and Uhuru is likely pushing for an Azimio rerun. Aim for ODM deal by 2026 if not kick them out slowly. You dont want 2002 NARC revolution led by Raila.
Move 4: Target Kalonzo as DPORK to flip Lower Eastern (~1.5M votes) and disrupt Azimio unity.
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Kalonzo has run now and latest is 2032.
What would be impossible is to tell him to wait out for Matiangi or anyone else to run in 2037 when he will be 83yrs.
For now if Kalonzo doesnt get Opposition join ticket.
He has two options
1) Run for sake and negotiate post election
2) Run to Ruto and beg for Kindiki to be eased out and then become Deputy again - and 2032 hope coalition backs him.
Kalonzo will be 73 in 2027 and 78 in 2032.
Unlikely a promise for 2032 will work. Not with the younger generation already at par/ahead of him.
As I have said before, once UK/WSR took over in 2013/22, the generation of RAO and Kalonzo became kaput.
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1) Ruto has IEBC - 5 - and will do monkey games whenever opposition will not have Protect the Vote.
2) Part of filling the void from GEMA is to do A- game of registering, turning out and protecting the vote (GOTV).
3) There are no permanent enemies - these guys you'd be suprised are now drinking together - Kalonzo occasionally sneak to Statehouse. Bei ikifika deal. He may ask for 5B KES and DPORK.
Good stuff.
On Ruto: you need to note early (smart) rigging by registering Somali, etc refugees in NFD.
On Kalonzo: after bashing Ruto for years it will be hard to pivot. Might be equally hard to join Ruto as deputize Raila. 3rd horse?
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You mean remove Kindiki - and look elsewhere. It still long way to go. Kindiki last ditch effort will be cut a deal with Kenyattas - Kindiki need to sell a 2032 vision of power returning to GEMA. It hard sale considering how quickly Gachagua was dumped.
Definitely its looking like DPORK will go ODM or Kalonzo.
30% from Mt Kenya? Adjust that to 3%.
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He is going through all the stages of grieving but the reality is that he is done. The best he can hope is DCP to become the main party of Mt kenya - and he can use it negotiate deals pre and post elections.
He is also playing hard ball hoping Ruto will work the judiciary and release him from impeachment bondage.
His best move now is to sell Mt kenya to Muhoho Kenyatta -- and cash the money (ask for 10 Billion) - and sell Kenyattas as the Muthamakis. He goes back to being Kenyatta kym like he was before limelight.
Riggy G is done. Impeachment has almost zero chances of recovery.
And if he cannot run for prez, then he also cannot run for DP as the qualifications are the same. Same for Cabinet positions (PM/Minister).
What he has done is to run to the people, the people haven't run to him. Come election season and he will fizzle out
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Having campaigned against WSR for so long, Option 2 would just destroy his credibility among his people with a significant portion of his base hiving off.
Option 1 is best for him - especially as it seems no one will get 50% in Rd1 with multiple candidates (WSR, Matiangi, Melon, possible Rao). Then negotiating in Rd 2 even with WSR becomes palatable
Kalonzo has run now and latest is 2032.
What would be impossible is to tell him to wait out for Matiangi or anyone else to run in 2037 when he will be 83yrs.
For now if Kalonzo doesnt get Opposition join ticket.
He has two options
1) Run for sake and negotiate post election
2) Run to Ruto and beg for Kindiki to be eased out and then become Deputy again - and 2032 hope coalition backs him.
Kalonzo will be 73 in 2027 and 78 in 2032.
Unlikely a promise for 2032 will work. Not with the younger generation already at par/ahead of him.
As I have said before, once UK/WSR took over in 2013/22, the generation of RAO and Kalonzo became kaput.
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Undoing impeachment is politically untenable for both Gachagua and WSR.
Suppose today the courts upend the impeachment. That would mean Gachagua becomes the DP once again and the swearing in of Kindiki is annulled.
How do WSR and Gachagua work together after that? How will it sit for Gachagua to go into the employ of the guy he has been bashing 24/7?
He is going through all the stages of grieving but the reality is that he is done. The best he can hope is DCP to become the main party of Mt kenya - and he can use it negotiate deals pre and post elections.
He is also playing hard ball hoping Ruto will work the judiciary and release him from impeachment bondage.
His best move now is to sell Mt kenya to Muhoho Kenyatta -- and cash the money (ask for 10 Billion) - and sell Kenyattas as the Muthamakis. He goes back to being Kenyatta kym like he was before limelight.
Riggy G is done. Impeachment has almost zero chances of recovery.
And if he cannot run for prez, then he also cannot run for DP as the qualifications are the same. Same for Cabinet positions (PM/Minister).
What he has done is to run to the people, the people haven't run to him. Come election season and he will fizzle out
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You're analyzing politics with emotions.
Aside from Ruto-Gachagua whose fallout is still raw and fresh - all these guys will make deals - when deal is good.
Waiting for 2nd round deal - is risky - because someone wins and you're not needed.
Kalonzo if he has a brain should have 3 teams now.
1) Team one - working hard to be opposition joint candidate - to show them why Matiangi at 5% gusii base - is worse than 10% ukambani - and secondly threaten to revolt and back Ruto.
2) Team Two - work with Ruto - both Ruto, Raila and Uhuru are doing this - play all sides - opposition and gov. The more he is known as Ruto hater - the more he is mistreated - because people know he has LIMITED MOVES on the chess board.
3) Team Three - easiest of all - give you name to IEBC and run - wait to win Ukambani 8%.
Having campaigned against WSR for so long, Option 2 would just destroy his credibility among his people with a significant portion of his base hiving off.
Option 1 is best for him - especially as it seems no one will get 50% in Rd1 with multiple candidates (WSR, Matiangi, Melon, possible Rao). Then negotiating in Rd 2 even with WSR becomes palatable
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That is why Judiciary will not interfere with work of both houses and cause a constitutional crisis;
He is forever impeached.
The judiciary cannot examine the merits and demerits of his impeachment and overrule the senate trial - give Solomonic ruling - rescuing impeachment sting and - not telling to go back to work.
They would have to overrule everything - and declare it null & void - and create huge constitutional crisis.
Undoing impeachment is politically untenable for both Gachagua and WSR.
Suppose today the courts upend the impeachment. That would mean Gachagua becomes the DP once again and the swearing in of Kindiki is annulled.
How do WSR and Gachagua work together after that? How will it sit for Gachagua to go into the employ of the guy he has been bashing 24/7?
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Politically untenable to start another impeachment - so WSR would have to wait until 2027 Mar/Apr and choose another running mate - most probably from ODM if Rao doesnt make his last stab at the prez
As for Kindiki selling 2032 candidature, the fella is hapless today - zero charisma, zero public speaking skills, zero claim to fame. WSR is simply doing what Jomo did with Moi, Moi with Saitoti, and Kibaki with Moody - have a weak VP and thus keep all other competing candidates supporting you as they have hope to ascend (Jomo with Mboya/Kibaki/Njonjo/Njoroge Muigai/Towett/Ngei etc, Moi with MDVD, Melon, Rao, Uhuru, Kibaki with Melon, Rao, Mukhisa, Ngilu, Musikari Kombo etc).
You mean remove Kindiki - and look elsewhere. It still long way to go. Kindiki last ditch effort will be cut a deal with Kenyattas - Kindiki need to sell a 2032 vision of power returning to GEMA. It hard sale considering how quickly Gachagua was dumped.
Definitely its looking like DPORK will go ODM or Kalonzo.
30% from Mt Kenya? Adjust that to 3%.
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He wont be impeached of course. But he will be dumped in 2027. He will continue to be Deputy President until after election.
Ruto will keep him but if ODM/Wiper coalition happens - his position will be given out - and he will be given something else - maybe HEAD OF IGAD or EAC or ECOWAS:) even or AFCAT - he takes or leave.
So far I am not writing him off. Mt Kenya Kiburi belies the cold reality that beating Ruto is going to be hard.
Politically untenable to start another impeachment - so WSR would have to wait until 2027 Mar/Apr and choose another running mate - most probably from ODM if Rao doesnt make his last stab at the prez
As for Kindiki selling 2032 candidature, the fella is hapless today - zero charisma, zero public speaking skills, zero claim to fame. WSR is simply doing what Jomo did with Moi, Moi with Saitoti, and Kibaki with Moody - have a weak VP and thus keep all other competing candidates supporting you as they have hope to ascend (Jomo with Mboya/Kibaki/Njonjo/Njoroge Muigai/Towett/Ngei etc, Moi with MDVD, Melon, Rao, Uhuru, Kibaki with Melon, Rao, Mukhisa, Ngilu, Musikari Kombo etc).
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1) Ad hominem means the argument is lost. Just address the point.
2) Melon goes to WSR for running mate and there are second-round effects. ODM/RAO would just bolt out. Cannot accommodate everyone.
You're analyzing politics with emotions.
Aside from Ruto-Gachagua whose fallout is still raw and fresh - all these guys will make deals - when deal is good.
Waiting for 2nd round deal - is risky - because someone wins and you're not needed.
Kalonzo if he has a brain should have 3 teams now.
1) Team one - working hard to be opposition joint candidate - to show them why Matiangi at 5% gusii base - is worse than 10% ukambani - and secondly threaten to revolt and back Ruto.
2) Team Two - work with Ruto - both Ruto, Raila and Uhuru are doing this - play all sides - opposition and gov. The more he is known as Ruto hater - the more he is mistreated - because people know he has LIMITED MOVES on the chess board.
3) Team Three - easiest of all - give you name to IEBC and run - wait to win Ukambani 8%.
Having campaigned against WSR for so long, Option 2 would just destroy his credibility among his people with a significant portion of his base hiving off.
Option 1 is best for him - especially as it seems no one will get 50% in Rd1 with multiple candidates (WSR, Matiangi, Melon, possible Rao). Then negotiating in Rd 2 even with WSR becomes palatable
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Ruto will only pick Kalonzo - if ODM are not available - and Kindiki has not recovered Mt kenya east. KK+ODM makes election of 2027 pretty useless - as Ruto wins with 60% plus. Ruto definitely interested in nailing ODM and has put them in statehouse - but he has to fix Raila and odinga family.
In scenario where UDA-ODM fallout - there is possibility Uhuru will convince Raila to run at 82yrs :)
Ruto assume loses all GEMA (he had 80%) - 20% of his 50% (or 40% of his 100%) - he he is left with 30% - - Kalonzo bring 10% - that is 40% - he grows the rest from pastoralist+coastal areas -10%. He wins narrowly again.
Ruto only need 10% from someone else- if you assume same votes as 2022 - he needs 1.5M votes from Kalonzo or kindiki
Or even Luhyas-> Ruto got 30-40% of Luhyas a whole - will check - Bungoma 65% was overset by Busia, Kakamega - and was 50-50 in Vihiga.If giving a Luhya DPORK will assure Ruto of 10% - which is clean sweep of Luhyaland - that possibility - for in reality - it just not possible - too divided. Maybe maDVD can excite them - but Baluhya is too complicated.
1) Ad hominem means the argument is lost. Just address the point.
2) Melon goes to WSR for running mate and there are second-round effects. ODM/RAO would just bolt out. Cannot accommodate everyone.
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1) KK + ODM may win, but either way it will still be a close election which can go eitherway. Why?
- RAO got 49% in 2022. Remove Kalonzo's 9% leaving 40%
- Remove the Mt Kenya 6%, leaving 34%
- Remove the Gusii 6%, that leaves 28%,
- Remove yet another 4-5% from the Luhya + Somali (cos of clans) + Coast who will rebel, leaving 24%.
- the 24% is still the equivalent of the lost Mt Kenya vote. Just replacing Mt Kenya with a disjoiinted block to possibly get another 51%. Tight election.
Ruto will only pick Kalonzo - if ODM are not available - and Kindiki has not recovered Mt kenya east. KK+ODM makes election of 2027 pretty useless - as Ruto wins with 60% plus. Ruto definitely interested in nailing ODM and has put them in statehouse - but he has to fix Raila and odinga family.
In scenario where UDA-ODM fallout - there is possibility Uhuru will convince Raila to run at 82yrs :)
Ruto assume loses all GEMA (he had 80%) - 20% of his 50% (or 40% of his 100%) - he he is left with 30% - - Kalonzo bring 10% - that is 40% - he grows the rest from pastoralist+coastal areas -10%. He wins narrowly again.
Ruto only need 10% from someone else- if you assume same votes as 2022 - he needs 1.5M votes from Kalonzo or kindiki
Or even Luhyas-> Ruto got 30-40% of Luhyas a whole - will check - Bungoma 65% was overset by Busia, Kakamega - and was 50-50 in Vihiga.If giving a Luhya DPORK will assure Ruto of 10% - which is clean sweep of Luhyaland - that possibility - for in reality - it just not possible - too divided. Maybe maDVD can excite them - but Baluhya is too complicated.
1) Ad hominem means the argument is lost. Just address the point.
2) Melon goes to WSR for running mate and there are second-round effects. ODM/RAO would just bolt out. Cannot accommodate everyone.
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30+24=54%;
Let ignore 10% Ruto will gain from incumbency.
If Ruto+Raila agree to a deal; it over.
Ruto needs 50% plus one.
We shall see if Uhuru will ensare Raila; Uhuru himself has 3 mt kenya guys in cabinet;
Ultimately smart money will be on 2032....2027 is dry run.
Ruto in 2yrs will claw back support from 2yrs of painful reforms and sacrifices.
1) KK + ODM may win, but either way it will still be a close election which can go eitherway. Why?
- RAO got 49% in 2022. Remove Kalonzo's 9% leaving 40%
- Remove the Mt Kenya 6%, leaving 34%
- Remove the Gusii 6%, that leaves 28%,
- Remove yet another 4-5% from the Luhya + Somali (cos of clans) + Coast who will rebel, leaving 24%.
- the 24% is still the equivalent of the lost Mt Kenya vote. Just replacing Mt Kenya with a disjoiinted block to possibly get another 51%. Tight election.
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Big IF.
Incumbency has pros n cons. Hard to replay "hustler vs dynasty" and bottom-up as incumbent.
Basically, gain incumbency, lose reformer/disrupter position.
30+24=54%;
Let ignore 10% Ruto will gain from incumbency.
If Ruto+Raila agree to a deal; it over.
Ruto needs 50% plus one.
We shall see if Uhuru will ensare Raila; Uhuru himself has 3 mt kenya guys in cabinet;
Ultimately smart money will be on 2032....2027 is dry run.
Ruto in 2yrs will claw back support from 2yrs of painful reforms and sacrifices.
1) KK + ODM may win, but either way it will still be a close election which can go eitherway. Why?
- RAO got 49% in 2022. Remove Kalonzo's 9% leaving 40%
- Remove the Mt Kenya 6%, leaving 34%
- Remove the Gusii 6%, that leaves 28%,
- Remove yet another 4-5% from the Luhya + Somali (cos of clans) + Coast who will rebel, leaving 24%.
- the 24% is still the equivalent of the lost Mt Kenya vote. Just replacing Mt Kenya with a disjoiinted block to possibly get another 51%. Tight election.
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Patriotic front: Wiper’s rebrand ahead of 2027
Despite his credentials, Kalonzo faces stiff competition in the race to become the opposition coalition’s presidential flagbearer.
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/realtime/2025-05-21-patriotic-front-wipers-rebrand-ahead-of-2027
This star story copy-pasted your Kalonzo status in this thread. 👀
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Only hard if you dont deliver on your promises;
And if you become tribal like Kibaki;
Murima Murima RiggyG have decided to run away with tribalism tag while in opposition; Pretty stupid at many levels;
The way I see - Ruto has a good chance to do 80-90% of the job.
To do the job going forward - now economy has stabilized - he needs tangible projects in rural areas and urban slums.
Paving roads, water projects, electricity supply - in every const - complete pending projects and then start you own in 2026/2027.
The signature projects like Mombasa-Nairobi-Malaba expressway and SGR means Ruto will have exceed all previous presidents.
So in the 2yrs remaining he can still regain grounds nationally - beyond playing the easy Anti-Kikuyism.
Big IF.
Incumbency has pros n cons. Hard to replay "hustler vs dynasty" and bottom-up as incumbent.
Basically, gain incumbency, lose reformer/disrupter position.
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I think you and Tactician are wrong on this - Riggy has no plan to run for PORK. He is going for kingmaker 2027, then PORK 2032. So he is playing brazen tribe card akin to Ruto 2009-13. Izzy-pizzy. It's strategy not stupidity.
Projects: isn't Kenya broke? How will the rest of the projects be completed/started besides SGR? (Sorry I haven't peeked at Mbadi's budget.)
Only hard if you dont deliver on your promises;
And if you become tribal like Kibaki;
Murima Murima RiggyG have decided to run away with tribalism tag while in opposition; Pretty stupid at many levels;
The way I see - Ruto has a good chance to do 80-90% of the job.
To do the job going forward - now economy has stabilized - he needs tangible projects in rural areas and urban slums.
Paving roads, water projects, electricity supply - in every const - complete pending projects and then start you own in 2026/2027.
The signature projects like Mombasa-Nairobi-Malaba expressway and SGR means Ruto will have exceed all previous presidents.
So in the 2yrs remaining he can still regain grounds nationally - beyond playing the easy Anti-Kikuyism.
Big IF.
Incumbency has pros n cons. Hard to replay "hustler vs dynasty" and bottom-up as incumbent.
Basically, gain incumbency, lose reformer/disrupter position.
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Yes, as long as no Kikuyu will be head of ticket, they will avoid - that tribalism tag;
Ruto knows how to look for money.
I think you and Tactician are wrong on this - Riggy has no plan to run for PORK. He is going for kingmaker 2027, then PORK 2032. So he is playing brazen tribe card akin to Ruto 2009-13. Izzy-pizzy. It's strategy not stupidity.
Projects: isn't Kenya broke? How will the rest of the projects be completed/started besides SGR? (Sorry I haven't peeked at Mbadi's budget.)
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Kingmaker in 2027, maybe.
PORK in 2032? Riggy G can never hold public office. Not in 2027, 2032 or 2042. It's forever - until he is dead - unless we change the constitution.
He's on the same path as Sonko - influential in making noise/mobilisation but useless in the boardroom
I think you and Tactician are wrong on this - Riggy has no plan to run for PORK. He is going for kingmaker 2027, then PORK 2032. So he is playing brazen tribe card akin to Ruto 2009-13. Izzy-pizzy. It's strategy not stupidity.
Projects: isn't Kenya broke? How will the rest of the projects be completed/started besides SGR? (Sorry I haven't peeked at Mbadi's budget.)
Only hard if you dont deliver on your promises;
And if you become tribal like Kibaki;
Murima Murima RiggyG have decided to run away with tribalism tag while in opposition; Pretty stupid at many levels;
The way I see - Ruto has a good chance to do 80-90% of the job.
To do the job going forward - now economy has stabilized - he needs tangible projects in rural areas and urban slums.
Paving roads, water projects, electricity supply - in every const - complete pending projects and then start you own in 2026/2027.
The signature projects like Mombasa-Nairobi-Malaba expressway and SGR means Ruto will have exceed all previous presidents.
So in the 2yrs remaining he can still regain grounds nationally - beyond playing the easy Anti-Kikuyism.
Big IF.
Incumbency has pros n cons. Hard to replay "hustler vs dynasty" and bottom-up as incumbent.
Basically, gain incumbency, lose reformer/disrupter position.
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He might win or still be in court by next election.. that's what he will sell as he cuts deals.
Kingmaker in 2027, maybe.
PORK in 2032? Riggy G can never hold public office. Not in 2027, 2032 or 2042. It's forever - until he is dead - unless we change the constitution.
He's on the same path as Sonko - influential in making noise/mobilisation but useless in the boardroom
I think you and Tactician are wrong on this - Riggy has no plan to run for PORK. He is going for kingmaker 2027, then PORK 2032. So he is playing brazen tribe card akin to Ruto 2009-13. Izzy-pizzy. It's strategy not stupidity.
Projects: isn't Kenya broke? How will the rest of the projects be completed/started besides SGR? (Sorry I haven't peeked at Mbadi's budget.)
Only hard if you dont deliver on your promises;
And if you become tribal like Kibaki;
Murima Murima RiggyG have decided to run away with tribalism tag while in opposition; Pretty stupid at many levels;
The way I see - Ruto has a good chance to do 80-90% of the job.
To do the job going forward - now economy has stabilized - he needs tangible projects in rural areas and urban slums.
Paving roads, water projects, electricity supply - in every const - complete pending projects and then start you own in 2026/2027.
The signature projects like Mombasa-Nairobi-Malaba expressway and SGR means Ruto will have exceed all previous presidents.
So in the 2yrs remaining he can still regain grounds nationally - beyond playing the easy Anti-Kikuyism.
Big IF.
Incumbency has pros n cons. Hard to replay "hustler vs dynasty" and bottom-up as incumbent.
Basically, gain incumbency, lose reformer/disrupter position.
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Never treat another adult as a child or think that you are smarter.remember you are not dealing with 5 year old boys.
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He will definitely fight all the way to supreme court - he should delay getting final verdict - until after 2027 - as judiciary will not cause constitutional crisis by overturning his impeachment.
After elections - they can overturn it - and give him damages.
He might win or still be in court by next election.. that's what he will sell as he cuts deals.
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Definitely his plan.
His hangers-on will edge him on to run for prez, so that they tag along his coattails and win MP/governor seats. And when (not if) he loses, they will be safely ensconced in bunge eating for the next 5 years.
What a pity Mt Kenya has reduced itself to
He will definitely fight all the way to supreme court - he should delay getting final verdict - until after 2027 - as judiciary will not cause constitutional crisis by overturning his impeachment.
After elections - they can overturn it - and give him damages.
He might win or still be in court by next election.. that's what he will sell as he cuts deals.
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HE CANNOT RUN - until he overturns his impeachment.
This I am running is edging his stakes;
He is going to sell DCP to Kenyatta or form a coalition - where he will be promised Prime Minister
Definitely his plan.
His hangers-on will edge him on to run for prez, so that they tag along his coattails and win MP/governor seats. And when (not if) he loses, they will be safely ensconced in bunge eating for the next 5 years.
What a pity Mt Kenya has reduced itself to
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False dichotomy. Courts can declare illegality without overturning the process. Such that Riggy becomes eligible for office but not get the job back.
This is what I see happening.
He will definitely fight all the way to supreme court - he should delay getting final verdict - until after 2027 - as judiciary will not cause constitutional crisis by overturning his impeachment.
After elections - they can overturn it - and give him damages.
He might win or still be in court by next election.. that's what he will sell as he cuts deals.
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Raila-Kalonzo-Riggy
Kalonzo is brainless otherwise he would milk Ruto big. But he is dumb so this ticket is possible.
HE CANNOT RUN - until he overturns his impeachment.
This I am running is edging his stakes;
He is going to sell DCP to Kenyatta or form a coalition - where he will be promised Prime Minister
Definitely his plan.
His hangers-on will edge him on to run for prez, so that they tag along his coattails and win MP/governor seats. And when (not if) he loses, they will be safely ensconced in bunge eating for the next 5 years.
What a pity Mt Kenya has reduced itself to
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Riggy G base is only transferable to Kalonzo. I see Riggy G giving Kalonzo through pass on 89th minute. That will give kalonzo almost 40%. Kalonzo just need 11% to win. Will Luo rudisha mkono after being supported by Kamba 2X. Hardest part for Kenya kwanza is to convince another big kabila to take VP after what they have done to Gema after delivering the presidency!
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Legal absurdity.
Courts can only declare impeachment null and void.
They are not the court in this case - to slice and dice how it went.
RiggyG was tried by Senate. Senate was the COURT in the case.
They can only approve or disapprove the impeachment.
Only way is in 2028 - then they can say impeachment was null and void - but because 2022-20237 ended- RiggyG is eligble to run.
Realistically how RiggyG escape this is beyond me.
Senate & Parliament followed the laws and procedures strictly - unlike before in earlier impeachment like Wambora case;
Whenever RiggyG got something thrown - they waited - they unlocked it.
It been hard post Wambora to escape impeachment because now people obey court orders, ensure they tick all the boxes, and you're left with merit & demerits of the case - which court cannot go into -as parliament is the court here.
RiggyG is gone.
False dichotomy. Courts can declare illegality without overturning the process. Such that Riggy becomes eligible for office but not get the job back.
This is what I see happening.
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GEMA boss is not 40% of kenya.
Kikuyus are 17% pop wise - in 2019 - and will be 15% in 2027.
They have slightly more adult.
Ruto job is simple - make the other tribes to register and votes - and reduce this Kikuyu nonsense to at best 17% - with Mt kenya cousins - 20%.
Riggy G base is only transferable to Kalonzo. I see Riggy G giving Kalonzo through pass on 89th minute. That will give kalonzo almost 40%. Kalonzo just need 11% to win. Will Luo rudisha mkono after being supported by Kamba 2X. Hardest part for Kenya kwanza is to convince another big kabila to take VP after what they have done to Gema after delivering the presidency!
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That could work; I dont see Uhuru in that equation; I dont see Mt kenya accept to be 3rd fiddle; but if they hate Ruto sufficient enough; they will.
Ruto will give them Kindiki - MaDVD.
Raila-Kalonzo-Riggy
Kalonzo is brainless otherwise he would milk Ruto big. But he is dumb so this ticket is possible.
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Ruto has this BIG problem. People will demand advance payment.
Riggy G base is only transferable to Kalonzo. I see Riggy G giving Kalonzo through pass on 89th minute. That will give kalonzo almost 40%. Kalonzo just need 11% to win. Will Luo rudisha mkono after being supported by Kamba 2X. Hardest part for Kenya kwanza is to convince another big kabila to take VP after what they have done to Gema after delivering the presidency!
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Raila-Kalonzo-Riggy vs Ruto-Kindiki-MaDVD?
With Riggy G barred Gema can swallow it. If Riggy gets an iron grip as is unfolding - he can say look, Ruto has barred me so I will be PM under Raila.
That could work; I dont see Uhuru in that equation; I dont see Mt kenya accept to be 3rd fiddle; but if they hate Ruto sufficient enough; they will.
Ruto will give them Kindiki - MaDVD.
Raila-Kalonzo-Riggy
Kalonzo is brainless otherwise he would milk Ruto big. But he is dumb so this ticket is possible.
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Formidable ticket;
Any ticket headed by Raila will give opposition a fighting chance.
Kikuyus would be knocking themselves out of power at least for another 10yrs - if not 20yrs.
Luos will prop Raila like kikuyus did to Jomo Kenyatta
Raila-Kalonzo-Riggy vs Ruto-Kindiki-MaDVD?
With Riggy G barred Gema can swallow it. If Riggy gets an iron grip as is unfolding - he can say look, Ruto has barred me so I will be PM under Raila.