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Forum => Kenya Discussion => Topic started by: RV Pundit on May 13, 2025, 03:12:22 PM
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Some of the young men of the tribe who have
travelled widely as migrant labourers and livestock traders
have their own ideas about the linguistic affinities of the Sonjo.
They state that linguistic communications are established
more easily with the Meru of Mount Kenya (a tribe related
closely to the Kikuyu) than with other Bantu tribes of northern
Tanganyika or Kenya, and therefore postulate a close relation-
ship between the two languages.
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You broke off Gusii-Kuria
Became Datoga-Iraqw Maasai slaves - Ba-temi (Temi is kalenjin for digging)
Escaped to Mt kenya
Leaving the Sonjos.
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Really, unfortunately facts points otherwise
Does the language below if you listen to it sound Meru?
https://www.google.com/search?q=sonjo+language&client=ms-opera-mini-android&channel=new
As far as research goes they are close to Kikuyu, No meru history states.or mentions them
Pundit where do you get your sources??? Mogusii also says they are related to Merus but No Meru history Mentions them
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This paper is a selective synopsis of an article that will appear in volumes 12/13 of 'Sprache und Geschichte in Afrika'. It also presents additional information which was gathered during fieldwork in the Sonjo area (northern Tanzania) in 1992 and which has led the authors to modify their previous views in places. The paper focuses on those aspects of Sonjo which bear on Engaruka, situated at the dry foot of the rift escarpment between Lake Natron and Lake Manyara, Tanzania. First, a genetic connection for the Sonjo language and a migration pattern for the Sonjo people are established. The authors show that Sonjo is a member of the so-called E50 group, that is the Bantu languages of Central Kenya, and in particular a southern subgrouping. From this they conclude that the ancestral Sonjo community moved south from the general area of the Central Kenya Highlands. Using linguistic arguments, they then show that Sonjo's most significant contacts had been with a Datooga community (southern Nilotic). The Sonjo and the Datooga are the most likely candidates for having introduced irrigation. However, the evidence suggests that neither brought the system with them. It was set up in situ, most likely by the ancestors of the Sonjo. Finally, the authors argue that the Sonjo are the best current candidates for the former Engaruka community, which was abandoned two or three hundred years ago. Bibliogr., notes
There language is close to daatooga so they are kinda southern nilotic
https://www.africabib.org/rec.php?RID=125213816
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Thagicus is backward scrolling Sonjos.
Thagicus is split into two.
Kikiyu group - include meru & embus
Kamba group - include Dhasio & Segejus of Tanzania
What that mean is you've added more loanwords from Athi/Umba (Kalenjin), Maasai, Samburu, chaggas
Whoever you meet in your journey from Sonjos area.
Really, unfortunately facts points otherwise
Does the language below if you listen to it sound Meru?
https://www.google.com/search?q=sonjo+language&client=ms-opera-mini-android&channel=new
As far as research goes they are close to Kikuyu, No meru history states.or mentions them
Pundit where do you get your sources??? Mogusii also says they are related to Merus but No Meru history Mentions them
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This silly.
It opposite.
It thagicu that moved North.
Sonjo didnt move back.
Sonjo-Thagicu had lived with Dagota-Iraqw in Tanzania - and we see it with Loan words.
Loan words for Donkey, Rhino, Wilderbest, circumscion - these are animals that were new to you bantus - who managed to cross the Serengeti animal kindgom.
They Thagicu-Sonjo all copied from Datoga.
Donkey for example is Digiri (Datoga) - kalenjin is slightly different - Sigiriet.
Then as they get to Mt Kenya.
Thagicu start to borrow from Kalenjin living there (Dorobo/Gumba/umba/lumbwa)
We see Thagicu borrow Mutarakwa - cypress - from Kalenjin - as it grows in that region.
And many others word.
Then of course you borrowed from Maasai, Borana and Mijikendas too.
And Chagaa-Taitas.
Sonjos are well known in Kipsigis.
They have lived with Kipsigis-Datoga --- Kipisigis had contact with TZ Datoga - friendly terms.
Sonjoek is nick-name for 'smart or mjanja' in kipsigis - I guess they were as craft as kikuyus.
Bringing us to Meru migration story.
I think it borrowed from Kalenjin-Datooga.
It very similar of being imprisoned by red people (kipyayamugen or something)
This paper is a selective synopsis of an article that will appear in volumes 12/13 of 'Sprache und Geschichte in Afrika'. It also presents additional information which was gathered during fieldwork in the Sonjo area (northern Tanzania) in 1992 and which has led the authors to modify their previous views in places. The paper focuses on those aspects of Sonjo which bear on Engaruka, situated at the dry foot of the rift escarpment between Lake Natron and Lake Manyara, Tanzania. First, a genetic connection for the Sonjo language and a migration pattern for the Sonjo people are established. The authors show that Sonjo is a member of the so-called E50 group, that is the Bantu languages of Central Kenya, and in particular a southern subgrouping. From this they conclude that the ancestral Sonjo community moved south from the general area of the Central Kenya Highlands. Using linguistic arguments, they then show that Sonjo's most significant contacts had been with a Datooga community (southern Nilotic). The Sonjo and the Datooga are the most likely candidates for having introduced irrigation. However, the evidence suggests that neither brought the system with them. It was set up in situ, most likely by the ancestors of the Sonjo. Finally, the authors argue that the Sonjo are the best current candidates for the former Engaruka community, which was abandoned two or three hundred years ago. Bibliogr., notes
There language is close to daatooga so they are kinda southern nilotic
https://www.africabib.org/rec.php?RID=125213816
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The loan words in Kikuyu
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Another thing Njuri
The MB - thing you have is from Dorobo/Okiek.
You MBETTER know history.
Ogiek/Ndorobo add MB before most word.
My ogiek friend is MBoroto.
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Pundit you are all over offering no sources or concrete explanations
Its simple.Meru loan words from.cushites and Nilotes were absored once Merus displaced those people from current Meru land. That is well documented in Meru history in detail by Geoffrey fadiman and Njuri Ncheke historians.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/abs/early-history-of-the-meru-of-mt-kenya/09AA7928377CC6C9C2D6C001AA518E33
Read that. To note Meru are distinct from Kikuyu even though we related,thats where you blowing your gasket.
So I will have to dismiss you without any regard for your statements.
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The identification and subsequent expulsion of these earlier occupants of the Meru region of Mount Kenya will form the substance of a later article. In general, however, it can be said that most of the migrating bands of pre-Meru encountered representatives of one Bantu and three non-Bantu language groups, scattered in small communities across the full length of the current Meru region, either just within or just below the lower fringes of the forests. These were: (a) Eastern Cushitic speakers: three groups (b) Highland Nilotic speakers: one group (c) Plains Nilotic speakers: three groups (d) Bantu speakers: one group.
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Boss,
You're from cameroon.
To Congo
To DRC
To Tanzania or Burundi
To Kenya.
Anything else is BS.
Sonjo is nearest to Thagicu.
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Boss,
You're from cameroon.
To Congo
To DRC
To Tanzania or Burundi
To Kenya.
Anything else is BS.
Sonjo is nearest to Thagicu.
You are entitled to your opinion but science and history proves you wrong,
We are a superior people in Kenya really i dont see any community coming close maybe Kikuyus a distant second other kabilas in Kenya were mere tree huggers, Meru had institutions like Njuri Ncheke while Nkalenjin lived in caves and ate dogs thus the lumbwa kipisigis people, your history on starts during building of railway where nandis made a lucky shot.
We are your master and we just 2M.
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https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/abs/early-history-of-the-meru-of-mt-kenya/09AA7928377CC6C9C2D6C001AA518E33
Pure Meru scientific history.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=mountain+warriors+meru&client=ms-opera-mini-android&sca_esv=d777291650d83160&channel=new&ei=H4MjaOuWAf2ii-gP-v-GiQs&oq=mountain+warriors+meru&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhZtb3VudGFpbiB3YXJyaW9ycyBtZXJ1MgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGJ8FMgUQIRifBTIFECEYnwUyBRAhGJ8FMgUQIRifBTIFECEYnwVIhj9Q2gdY4DpwAXgBkAEAmAHdAqAB2AyqAQMzLTW4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgagAtkNwgIKEAAYsAMY1gQYR8ICCxAuGIAEGMcBGK8BwgIFEAAYgATCAhAQLhiABBhDGMcBGIoFGK8BwgIGEAAYFhgewgIOEC4YFhjHARgKGB4YrwHCAggQABiABBiiBMICBRAAGO8FmAMAiAYBkAYIkgcFMS4zLTWgB4gksgcDMy01uAfFDQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
Racially we most superior tribe in Kenya.
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Ba-temi
Our cultivators
And our iron smith.
You are entitled to your opinion but science and history proves you wrong,
We are a superior people in Kenya really i dont see any community coming close maybe Kikuyus a distant second other kabilas in Kenya were mere tree huggers, Meru had institutions like Njuri Ncheke while Nkalenjin lived in caves and ate dogs thus the lumbwa kipisigis people, your history on starts during building of railway where nandis made a lucky shot.
We are your master and we just 2M.
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Kisonjo
https://globalrecordings.net/en/program/9391